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00:02:13,819\n報考人數比較少的原因我在猜可能大家覺得說我從現在是二幾歲可能要走到65歲才退這個部分是可能有的但是也不能算說是後遺症就是說這種現象是產生的\n\n7\n00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:42,733\n不是後遺症你這個還正面效益啊市長也不是就是說它就是一個現象因為我們現象你輕忽這個現象我看過你的資歷你還長期在教育部門是你為國家人才引進第一個工人員老化第二個很多人不願意參加這個政府的考試進到政府部門來這怎麼會只是個現象\n\n8\n00:02:46,360 --> 00:03:12,181\n你這政務官做得不錯都不敢講真話基本上現在因為少子化報名高普考人數確實有減少只有少子化嗎當然就是年輕改革可能對部分年輕人他覺得說這一部分他覺得說可能要做到65歲才能退伍剛剛報告他們覺得說這個部分他覺得比較沒有\n\n9\n00:03:12,741 --> 00:03:32,871\n沒有辦法去想像還要做到那麼老這是一個部分的好後遺症就是公務員整個老化的情況影響他的行業效率第二個優秀的年輕朋友不願意要進到公部門來服務是重大的後遺症\n\n10\n00:03:34,560 --> 00:04:00,473\n請教您在這一次的公務員員年金改革的過程當中有沒有哪一類人員是出賣沒有進行相關改革這一次年金改革影響最小應該是軍人吧不是我你都沒有針對我問題到是哪一些人沒有哪一類的人員沒有這一次沒有改革到\n\n11\n00:04:03,817 --> 00:04:27,224\n還是你不知道對就是保障弱勢的啦就是那個說什麼比較低的不是不是我問哪一類的人在改革的時候這一次除外有嗎你不知道我\n\n12\n00:04:29,284 --> 00:04:41,846\n委員這個部門能不能好請那個司法人事處長處長這一次法官有沒有改革到\n\n13\n00:04:43,656 --> 00:05:10,169\n報告委員法官有改革到啊因為法官的退休金就是跟一般公務員一樣的這個事也就是跟跟著公務員退休之前撫恤法好請教你現在一個法官退休退休金多少退休金大概就是要看他的年資跟他最後的1314值等法官退休總數可以領到多少退休金\n\n14\n00:05:10,816 --> 00:05:37,979\n報告委員我們現在法官沒有職等我們現在是用鳳級我們法官總共分24級然後最資深的法官是第一級沒關係我們比較一般公務員我們時間快到了大概是八萬多塊啦多少八萬多塊就是所得替代率也差不多就是剛才總數啦我是講總數你都還講一部分對阿法官的退休金之外法官因為預算法官法法官有一個退養金司法官有退養金那兩個加起來多少\n\n15\n00:05:38,879 --> 00:06:03,576\n如果是一級八百鳳點目前八百鳳點退休的大概是差不多十七八萬左右對十七八萬嘛對不對好那為什麼這一部分就沒改那為什麼一般的好啦一般事務官做到十四指等現在大概六萬多是啦這個公不公平\n\n16\n00:06:05,607 --> 00:06:30,141\n這制度不一樣啦什麼制度不一樣當時就把它切出去啊就不改而已啊什麼制度不一樣市長我覺得你這個政務官很稱職都不講真話都替執政黨在護航不會啦做得不錯你這個政務官標準的政務官不講真話的政務官我這樣的評論你贊不贊成我沒辦法贊成啊沒辦法贊成啊這是事實啊你不講真話\n\n17\n00:06:35,853 --> 00:07:02,341\n我可以講一個法官不管叫退養金退休金18萬那行政機關包括後面都是做到十字直等包括你也一樣退休金多少你多少我退休金大概6萬8對啊6萬8這合不合理法官是審理三倍你這話還不敢講\n\n18\n00:07:05,310 --> 00:07:18,578\n你還不敢講制度不太一樣哪個不一樣你說這個請這個司法院的部分不是不是你業務很熟你講哪個制度不一樣啊啊人事處長來司法官那司法院的人事處長\n\n19\n00:07:22,548 --> 00:07:37,153\n法官依照憲法保障是終身職啊所以法官基本上其實司法官檢察官也一樣其實沒有退休的概念所以我們不像公務員借齡退休65歲就一定要退好這個我贊成但有必要是我們這個做得不錯的政府次長的三杯嘛妳知道合不合理\n\n20\n00:07:47,372 --> 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這麼謙虛啊\n太謙虛了這一次的上次的整個公教的退休年金的改革產生了哪些效益也產生了哪些後遺症\n上次年金的改革基本上是為了健全財務同時我們比照歐美各國退休的所得率的比較我們甚至超過百分之百所以這個改革是一定要做的因為我現在美國是百分之五十五英國是百分之五十\n所以我們現在改革之後還有六十五到七十左右基本上這個改革基本上是合理的如果說我們再留子孫世代轉移給下面去做那個洞非常非常大所以改革是必要的是你沒有針對我的問題答是我說到底有哪些效益哪些後遺症因為有時間喔因為今天的早餐很空啊只有給六分鐘啊不然我要問他一個早上喔針對問題\n基本上這個新的年齡制度讓這個財務可以永續經營對公務員以後擔任公務員會比較好你說後遺症基本上就是有些人可能覺得他將來退休要到65歲才能退他可能覺得說那這樣子我可能待太久了他可能就有考慮這個部分是可能這一次為什麼\n報考人數比較少的原因我在猜可能大家覺得說我從現在是二幾歲可能要走到65歲才退這個部分是可能有的但是也不能算說是後遺症就是說這種現象是產生的\n不是後遺症 你這個還正面效益啊 市長也不是 就是說它就是一個現象因為我們現象你輕忽這個現象我看過你的資歷 你還長期在教育部門是你為國家人才引進 第一個工人員老化第二個很多人不願意參加這個政府的考試進到政府部門來這怎麼會只是個現象\n你這政務官做得不錯都不敢講真話基本上現在因為少子化報名高普考人數確實有減少只有少子化嗎當然就是年輕改革可能對部分年輕人他覺得說這一部分他覺得說可能要做到65歲才能退伍剛剛報告他們覺得說這個部分他覺得比較沒有\n沒有辦法去想像還要做到那麼老這是一個部分的好 後遺症就是公務員整個老化的情況影響他的行業效率第二個優秀的年輕朋友不願意要進到公部門來服務是重大的後遺症\n請教您在這一次的公務員員年金改革的過程當中有沒有哪一類人員是出賣沒有進行相關改革這一次年金改革影響最小應該是軍人吧不是我你都沒有針對我問題到是哪一些人沒有哪一類的人員沒有這一次沒有改革到\n還是你不知道對 就是保障弱勢的啦就是那個說什麼比較低的不是 不是我問哪一類的人在改革的時候這一次除外有嗎你不知道我\n委員 這個部門能不能好 請那個司法人事處長處長 這一次法官有沒有改革到\n報告委員法官有改革到啊因為法官的退休金就是跟一般公務員一樣的這個事也就是跟跟著公務員退休之前撫恤法好請教你現在一個法官退休退休金多少退休金大概就是要看他的年資跟他最後的13 14值等法官退休總數可以領到多少退休金\n報告委員我們現在法官沒有職等我們現在是用鳳級我們法官總共分24級然後最資深的法官是第一級沒關係我們比較一般公務員我們時間快到了大概是八萬多塊啦多少八萬多塊就是所得替代率也差不多就是剛才總數啦我是講總數你都還講一部分對阿法官的退休金之外法官因為預算法官法法官有一個退養金司法官有退養金那兩個加起來多少\n如果是一級八百鳳點 目前八百鳳點 退休的大概是差不多十七八萬左右對 十七八萬嘛 對不對好 那為什麼這一部分就沒改那為什麼一般的 好啦 一般事務官做到十四指等現在大概六萬多 是啦 這個公不公平\n這制度不一樣啦 什麼制度不一樣當時就把它切出去啊 就不改而已啊 什麼制度不一樣市長我覺得你這個政務官很稱職都不講真話 都替執政黨在護航不會啦 做得不錯你這個政務官 標準的政務官不講真話的政務官 我這樣的評論你贊不贊成我沒辦法贊成啊 沒辦法贊成啊這是事實啊 你不講真話\n我可以講一個法官不管叫退養金退休金18萬那行政機關包括後面都是做到十字直等包括你也一樣退休金多少你多少我退休金大概6萬8對啊6萬8這合不合理法官是審理三倍你這話還不敢講\n你還不敢講制度不太一樣哪個不一樣你說這個請這個司法院的部分不是不是你業務很熟你講哪個制度不一樣啊啊 人事處長 來司法官 那司法院的人事處長\n法官依照憲法保障是終身職啊所以法官基本上其實司法官檢察官也一樣其實沒有退休的概念所以我們不像公務員借齡退休65歲就一定要退好這個我贊成但有必要是我們這個做得不錯的政府次長的三杯嘛妳知道合不合理\n包委員因為我剛剛不知道次長講的這個六萬多塊是不是沒有含到養老給付公保養老給付等等的啦因為我剛剛講的那個總額那是總額就是包括退休金公保養老給付還有其他的退付給予還有再加上司法官退養金那是一個總數總數啊他在講總數啊他沒有講總數啊市長你沒有講總數啊那個是月退休分\n對啊 他還是一推胸縫啊他還講那個關寶元老幾父 那是一次提走的那多少錢那個應該兩三百萬啦對啊 兩三百萬啦我只是說 這個蔡政府做年金改革的時候啊就把那個 這個把他不想改的切出去啊市長 這樣合不合理制度不一樣 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