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00:00:22,226\n我還是先救蕭秘書長是秘書長我想就今天的立法院主任法32條的修正那秘書長也支持啦我支持我感謝我感謝那個趙偉你排這個議程那我想這個但是現在就是說就是他的實施的日期那秘書長有提出修正動議嗎\n\n2\n00:00:23,877 --> 00:00:53,167\n到底我們現在是要從明年還是後年開始我們是因為今年是來不及嘛然後最快就是從那個我們這裡的修正動議有提出是在114年1月1號就實施所以是明年後年喔後年的1月1號明年編預算明年的預算會期再編對明年預算會編進來然後後年就實施然後把它法制化\n\n3\n00:00:53,607 --> 00:01:13,112\nOK好謝謝好接下來我再請那個那個次長次長勞動部次長次長我想這個勞動部年年設定減災目標那部長也喊出安穩工作安心職場安全勞動的三安政策那要標榜要提升實災預防重建及補償的勞工\n\n4\n00:01:17,294 --> 00:01:40,291\n職業災害保險及保護法也已經於去年的5月1號開始施行擴大勞工的職業災害保險對象那為持續降低我國的職場的危險危害風險請問這個勞動部在這個就勞動部的職安署對這個三安有提出怎麼樣的一個政策的推動\n\n5\n00:01:42,117 --> 00:01:59,138\n對三安政策因為去年已經勞工、職業災害保險及保護法已經通過了那通過這個法律之後你們如何推動這個三安的政策有沒有什麼政策的策略包委員是要請勞動部回答的\n\n6\n00:02:03,786 --> 00:02:14,451\n花浩主席主席針對我們那個勞動部針對降災的一些策略的部分目前我們職安署針對所有適用職安法的一些勞工針對減災的部分我們針對2024年到2030年\n\n7\n00:02:20,754 --> 00:02:41,756\n我們擬定了一個7年的一個減災策略的部分大概針對於我們的一個職災牽人率的部分以及我們的勞工高職業健康關注的一個健康照護率以及針對於我們的一個職災勞工的一個復工重建這一部分\n\n8\n00:02:42,236 --> 00:03:06,083\n我們大概有擬定了一些策略的部分大概也報給部長經過部長核定大概明年預計會開始實施那針對於近期的一些職災的部分我們大概也有針對高風險的一些勞工的部分譬如說針對營造業的部分目前是職在最高的一個行業的部分我們也有擬定一些專案的一些計畫則成個勞動檢查機構這一部分是那個你是專委嗎\n\n9\n00:03:10,655 --> 00:03:37,047\n我是副組長副組長喔對你這個職安署是不是在去年有推動111年職場安全衛生減災重點策略去年有實施那我們針對於明年的一些規劃的部分也有一定的相關的一些策略所以每一年都訂定相關的減災策略嗎是我想請問你那你去年實際執行的成效如何有沒有統計\n\n10\n00:03:40,293 --> 00:03:49,397\n這算你的減災的就是2022年的這個直災死亡率是創六年來新高你知道人數是多少嗎\n\n11\n00:03:50,608 --> 00:04:14,759\n這部分抱歉,因為我可能要找一些相關的資料,因為這部分不是我的資料是320人,比前一年多了很多就創6年來的新高,比2021年增加42人所以我想問的是說,你這個雖然有這個減災的策略,但是看起來完全沒有成效\n\n12\n00:04:16,837 --> 00:04:39,904\n你這個策略沒有達到他應有的成效既然你要去部長講出三安的一個政策但是看起來你推動的策略並沒有達到他一個成效那你知道我再請問你知道那個我們在111年12月29日訂定的職場安全健康提升策略那個策略的內容你知道嗎\n\n13\n00:04:40,986 --> 00:04:55,880\n這部分大概是針對一些高風險行業的部分我們有一些專案的一些監督檢查的一些計畫那健康的部分我們也大概針對於譬如說針對化學品的一些高風險的一些事業單位的部分我們有針對這一部分去做一個專案的檢查\n\n14\n00:05:02,186 --> 00:05:10,792\n像近期常發生的一些局限空間的一些職業災害和過去大概針對因應氣候變遷裡面高氣溫的一些勞工的一些危害的部分我們大概都有實施相關的一些專案檢查那剛剛委員提到的說就是就減災策略沒有達到效益這一部分確實我們也有去做一些滾動檢討今年大概針對一些譬如說之前的一些火災案的部分大概確實有一些勞工不幸\n\n15\n00:05:32,466 --> 00:05:59,012\n有一些植栽的部分我们大概也针对这些产业别的部分有去拟定相关的一些精进的一些策略是那个组长我想这个就是说你们是很注重一个加强安全卫生的监督检查效能但是今年的我们发生了阴阳大火那我们就看出说整个对于植栽的预防我们的检查还有监督的效能并没有达到它一定的成效\n\n16\n00:06:00,012 --> 00:06:19,817\n其實我想告訴我們勞動部的是說勞動工作者因為工作犧牲不是簡單一個統計數字這麼簡單因為背後代表的是很多家庭造成家庭的破碎所以我希望勞動部本於主管機關之責實時進行相關的查核機制的檢討與改善\n\n17\n00:06:25,579 --> 00:06:40,159\n策略定在那裡,但是整個執行面好像並沒有實際去做得很徹底所以這個部分希望能夠做檢討及改善是,就在委員執事辦理另外我想請問我們檢察師,法務部檢察師\n\n18\n00:06:44,076 --> 00:07:12,348\n那根據媒體報導司法官學院接獲五位女同學的指控一位男學員經常會在雙方互動時藉機肢體接觸最誇張的是有一次學員之間外出用餐這位男學員A原本坐在女同學的右手邊卻不斷站起來假意要和另一邊的男同學搭肩導致女學員被迫靠在A的懷裡除此之外A在講話時還緊靠女生的臉\n\n19\n00:07:13,709 --> 00:07:42,516\n那麼據悉被害人原本認為大家將來都要在司法界並肩作戰並沒有太大的反應但是這一盤的學員看不下去以手機錄影存證並持檔案和司法事務界討論有司法官看過之後直言實在很噁心還有法界人士評價該男學員很可能就是刻意為之來騷擾女同學所以我想請問對於這個事件司法官學院\n\n20\n00:07:43,556 --> 00:08:11,481\n有關這個性平教育的課程安排的如何上課的方式為何報告那個委員就是委員所提的這個事件司法官學院這邊已經進行內部的調查已經在調查的程序當中那性平的部分因為是一個很重要的這個議題所以在那個司法官學院的整個培訓的過程當中我們有納入相關的這個課程那發生這個事情確實我們也覺得很遺憾那相關的這個部分學院這邊會持續的調查\n\n21\n00:08:13,482 --> 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我們都用最高的道德標準在要求我們司法的人員我想性平這部分希望在我們整個未來的司法官學院的教育方面可能多加一點這種課程告訴我們準司法官性平教育的重要性謝謝委員所以我們希望說司法單位都要更注重其內部的性別平等價值觀並加強相關的教育宣導\n546303\t547830\t好 請坐 以上 謝謝\n","txt":"我還是先救蕭秘書長是秘書長我想就今天的立法院主任法32條的修正那秘書長也支持啦我支持我感謝我感謝那個趙偉你排這個議程那我想這個但是現在就是說就是他的實施的日期那秘書長有提出修正動議嗎\n到底我們現在是要從明年還是後年開始我們是因為今年是來不及嘛然後最快就是從那個我們這裡的修正動議有提出是在114年1月1號就實施所以是明年後年喔後年的1月1號明年編預算明年的預算會期再編對明年預算會編進來然後後年就實施然後把它法制化\nOK 好 謝謝好 接下來我再請那個那個次長次長 勞動部次長次長我想這個勞動部年年設定減災目標那部長也喊出安穩工作安心職場安全勞動的三安政策那要標榜要提升實災預防重建及補償的勞工\n職業災害保險及保護法也已經於去年的5月1號開始施行擴大勞工的職業災害保險對象那為持續降低我國的職場的危險危害風險請問這個勞動部在這個就勞動部的職安署對這個三安有提出怎麼樣的一個政策的推動\n對三安政策因為去年已經勞工、職業災害保險及保護法已經通過了那通過這個法律之後你們如何推動這個三安的政策有沒有什麼政策的策略包委員是要請勞動部回答的\n花浩主席 主席針對我們那個勞動部針對降災的一些策略的部分目前我們職安署針對所有適用職安法的一些勞工針對減災的部分我們針對2024年到2030年\n我們擬定了一個7年的一個減災策略的部分大概針對於我們的一個職災牽人率的部分以及我們的勞工高職業健康關注的一個健康照護率以及針對於我們的一個職災勞工的一個復工重建這一部分\n我們大概有擬定了一些策略的部分大概也報給部長 經過部長核定大概明年預計會開始實施那針對於近期的一些職災的部分我們大概也有針對高風險的一些勞工的部分譬如說針對營造業的部分目前是職在最高的一個行業的部分我們也有擬定一些專案的一些計畫則成個勞動檢查機構這一部分是那個 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