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00:03:02,278\n該講的都講出來真的是不容易很多制度由他們去發掘所以我覺得他們的功能在我們來看還值得我們多多的肯定它給他們更多的保障像我們前一陣子發生像高鴻安委員他們的辦公室怎麼會有那樣的一個做法我們也覺得很奇怪\n\n8\n00:03:03,058 --> 00:03:29,815\n那很多會思想這個傳授一些妙招啦但是我覺得這個都是偏鋒啊不可行那我想請教一下我們的秘書長當然剛才我們的那個政委員也有講到一定要定一個規範那現在秘書長也說要定一個比較完整的規範來讓他們的權益有個保障那\n\n9\n00:03:33,955 --> 00:03:59,912\n國會助理在履行職責的時候是不是受到適當的這樣的健康保障我想這一次大概會把它定下來是的會跟委員報告這個原則上我很認同委員所說的因為事實上我們國會助理這個這些助理們事實上對委員幫助很大而且他們也真的是我們國會裡面很重要的\n\n10\n00:04:01,833 --> 00:04:26,156\n資助之一因為沒有他們事實上委員的問政還有各方面都會受到蠻多的限制所以我們怎麼樣子想辦法讓所有的這些國會助理他們能夠有更好的一個待遇或福利等等事實上我們真的也很希望來做\n\n11\n00:04:26,917 --> 00:04:40,757\n那麼只是因為現在國會助理他因為沒有具有公務人員身份所以在很多上面我們在處理上面事實上有他的困難所以這一次這個\n\n12\n00:04:42,780 --> 00:05:03,821\n陳超文委員這個提案針對國會助理的這個健檢的預算還有文康的預算我覺得這個是非常有必要啦因為其實是在大概第八屆的時候就有大概有這個部分被刪掉那刪掉之後\n\n13\n00:05:05,936 --> 00:05:29,007\n我們現在想要把它回復一般來講如果我們沒有一個依據的話那事實上是跟以前是有干擱所以我們就想說利用這個法令來做處理那剛好我們上次在答詢的時候幾乎委員大概都有共識那我們就想說那我們趕快弄個\n\n14\n00:05:30,308 --> 00:05:46,545\n修正案然後讓他這個法制化然後就可以按照這個法制化就可以來編制預算然後合法的來處理所以我想今天大概就主要這個意思所以我想這個非常謝謝兩位召集委員這麼\n\n15\n00:05:48,287 --> 00:06:16,829\n快的把它提出來那剛好那個有一個陳超明委員有類似的提案那我們就用這個提案來為主體然後我們提修正案讓他來通過我們也希望這個今天大家能夠有共識然後這個透過大家的共識然後看能不能不需協商不需黨團協商因為這個很單純啦那大家如果有共識就不需黨團協商那我們可以在\n\n16\n00:06:17,689 --> 00:06:27,923\n這一任也許下個禮拜我們就讓他三讀通過讓他把它完成那對這個工會助理也有一個交代我是這樣子來懇求大家\n\n17\n00:06:28,539 --> 00:06:52,680\n我們是希望該做的也不要拖因為畢竟這些助理我們看我們自己當立法委員的我們在外面跑一定要跑不跑我們是沒有後續的那現在就是一定要靠這些助理們來協助我們才能夠完成這個國會助理的任務\n\n18\n00:06:53,641 --> 00:07:16,261\n那除了剛才講的健康保障就醫療的保障還有健康保險這個檢查的福利這些都應該給予照顧那還有呢就是在服務結束後是不是有一些像我們我們一般政務官還有一些所謂的退職金類的因為他不是正式公務員所以類似有個退職金就是\n\n19\n00:07:16,901 --> 00:07:38,288\n已經像類似我們離職金這樣子是不是有這樣的像我們看有些勞動條件的他們就有一個離職金而我們是覺得考慮一下有沒有在他們合理的退休福利的安排建立一個退休金的制度離職金這樣子\n\n20\n00:07:39,528 --> 00:07:51,256\n就讓自己也可以繳一點然後我們政府部門給他補填一點讓他們有一個退休的制度我們現在人事處來報告一下\n\n21\n00:07:54,659 --> 00:08:10,466\n目前的跟委員報告這個是依照勞基法相關費用那我們都有幫助理編那個勞保勞退這個都沒有問題只要他們符合規定就對我們都有編列預算對已經有照顧了是okok那我們有沒有補填他一點這樣子因為\n\n22\n00:08:12,884 --> 00:08:37,916\n依照的規定有啦好謝謝那我再請教一下我們的公務人員保障及培訓委員會保障處的處長不好意思今天會問到因為我過去有當公務員那麼今天我們修法我們都樂見了但是就是說公務人員的保障\n\n23\n00:08:39,617 --> 00:08:46,354\n保障越多,我們相信公務員都會很開心但是,我想我們有一個驗刑的理論\n\n24\n00:08:47,748 --> 00:09:16,593\n如果那個飛燕一直要橫渡比如說橫渡太平洋那不曉得我隨便講的橫渡哪裡他一定要跟得上每一隻燕子要跟得上如果跟不上這個有時候會減弱這個團隊的力量所以是不是我們在這個我們公務員保障之外的這個培訓希望每一個單位一個命令給他們\n\n25\n00:09:17,745 --> 00:09:42,357\n每一個年度是不是給他們自己內部自己去做加強訓練對於自己本科的或者本處的自己的這個目標願景每一年都給自己一次的這樣的一個教育訓練我是覺得需要常常看到某些單位\n\n26\n00:09:44,015 --> 00:10:03,330\n會有些同仁會漸行漸遠跟不上腳步整個處或整個部門一直往前走的時候他是唱反調的所以希望他們內部都有這樣的一個每年的訓練要求他們每一年訓練可不可以\n\n27\n00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:18,948\n報告委員我們的訓練進修法我們現在有分工保訓會的部分是負責公務人任用資格取得的訓練包括初任考試入局人員訓練跟升官等的訓練\n\n28\n00:10:20,789 --> 00:10:38,302\n剛剛委員講的那個是在職訓練那在我們訓練進修的在職訓練本來每年各機關都會有他的訓練計畫然後同仁本來我們現在也有生涯規劃生涯的訓練會提供很多資源那這邊\n\n29\n00:10:40,632 --> 00:11:03,502\n我們都有,每年都有剛好我沒有辦法問到人事單位啦請人事發個命令,希望每一個單位都每年一定要做一個教育訓練有的,我們每年都有訓練計畫,而且每個同仁應該要參加多少的實術的訓練都有好,謝謝,我再請教司法院人事處長\n\n30\n00:11:05,203 --> 00:11:30,124\n因為我們看到前幾天剛好好像是我們的法官訓練這個在受訓期間就就挑戰我們的性貧性騷那個防治的問題這個退訓了嗎那幾個報告委員這個是法務部司法官學院是隸屬於法務部是是是那我們就請教法務部的檢察官\n\n31\n00:11:32,314 --> 00:11:51,989\n報告委員市長副市長報告委員針對委員所提的這個事件司法官學院現在依照程序在進行調查中那我們對於這個司法人員的這個道德標準我們會用最高的道德標準來要求那部長也在強調是我們對於這個絕對是我們希望是存優太烈不允許這不適格的人員擔任這個司法職務\n\n32\n00:11:53,490 --> 00:12:21,229\nOK我好這件事情我想這個立下威信啦不然有時候法官以為以為自己考上的就得意忘形認為可能會相怨的不去處理這個是對養成的這樣很不容易考上的真的自己的品德一定要以身作則啦我想這個是很重要的另外一件我再請教是我們的是司法院\n\n33\n00:12:23,733 --> 00:12:24,277\n是处长吗\n\n34\n00:12:27,336 --> 00:12:54,267\n現在是法務部對不對我想還是人事處我想請教人事處長不對應該是司法院的人事處長吧好我請教你因為現在我們有一個案子已經起訴三年了而且各交保兩百萬這樣的案子是大家都眼睛都注意到這個大案子但是一直都沒有進入審判\n\n35\n00:12:54,963 --> 00:13:19,784\n那後來好像是秘書長有告訴我說是因為換了法官我想再怎麼換那個不能不動因為你知道兩百萬交保是何等重大的案子檢察官一定也是罪證確鎖才會去起訴那我想拖了三年都完全不動那對於當事人他現在越來越囂張他覺得\n\n36\n00:13:21,765 --> 00:13:36,524\n這個司法都對他無可奈何那我覺得司法違信就蕩然無成所以我想這個案子已經問過了完全沒有給我正確的訊息為什麼第一個這個受理兩年多的法官沒有苛責的地方\n\n37\n00:13:37,867 --> 00:13:57,554\n對不對沒有苛責然後後續司法院也沒有特別去檢討我覺得這是很有問題的好不好這個案子你們的那個什麼科長都清楚好不好不要再拖了完全不動是不對的好再另外一個問題問太多了虛擬貨幣的虛擬貨幣是法務部的法務部的有嗎法務部有來嗎\n\n38\n00:14:09,049 --> 00:14:26,021\n市長市長報告人虛擬貨幣不是法務部主管的不是我現在講一件事是要檢察官去做裁定現在這個案子是因為有一個凍結這個被騙資金的案例這個案子他因為個人被騙了以後\n\n39\n00:14:27,302 --> 00:14:46,443\n這個積極的去找方法來凍結讓他凍結在錢包裡OK啦但是需要那個扣押回來要扣押回來讓這個行為人不要得逞那我想很難得都是個人自己在努力一直到最後他找到\n\n40\n00:14:47,003 --> 00:15:02,416\n美國的一個檢察官裁定的案例終於把錢扣押取回但是我們這位當事人他很積極他自己也加入一個NGO的這個叫GASO的反詐騙組織他在台灣這樣的一個\n\n41\n00:15:05,539 --> 00:15:23,320\n分會在當志工他一直在協助後續有被騙的人他在協助他去凍結那麼凍結以後一直在希望我們這邊的檢察官可以依照我們這個美國這位檢察官的成功案例去做裁定\n\n42\n00:15:24,241 --> 00:15:43,901\n然後裁定之後就可以把錢取回但是一直遲遲等不到聽說在凍結的時效也快過了還是已經過了他說就是過了他還是要積極的希望我們地檢署這邊檢察官要積極作為不要再讓這個錢又被\n\n43\n00:15:47,105 --> 00:16:02,926\n這個行為人把這個叫做加害人把他拿走了我覺得要積極能不能給我們一個答案這個檢察官如何作為報告委員因為委員您所提的可能是一個個案那部裡面我們對於那個具體的個案我們向來是不介入不干預不知道\n\n44\n00:16:03,266 --> 00:16:09,268\n那委員所講的這個案的情形因為我們不太了解說它是不是在偵查程序當中有做所謂的搜索或者是扣押那如果是做了扣押的話還要區分說這個扣押是針對得為證據之物或者是得沒收之物來做的這個扣押的程序那相關的這個如果是它是得沒收之物或者是所謂的這個將來得為證據之物的話它會不同程序的處理那虛擬貨幣假設是我們這邊做扣押的話那目前我們在這個12月底的時候我們有相關的一個平台\n\n45\n00:16:33,018 --> 00:17:01,931\n我們可以就是有關於這個入境跟出境我們都有相關的規範是可以管理那但是因為對委員這個案的具體的情況我們這邊比較不了解所以這個部分我們是不是會後可以再向委員這邊了解其實防護部你們部長都很清楚部長已經也我們經過這樣的一個機會也講了半天那等於說你再去問一下好不好問問我們那個科長他已經被我煩死了\n\n46\n00:17:03,271 --> 00:17:11,720\n好不好積極一點好不好不要一直讓我覺得說我這個連質詢都沒有效果好不好好OK好謝謝湯偉珍趙偉謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9\t10097\t先請教我們秘書長早上我們修的法我們是因為長期我們的國會助理的問題這一次我們\n26297\t55450\t正式的想要把這個定一個法律的規範那因為這些國會助理我們是這四年來跟國會助理這個日夜相處知道他們真的是盡心盡力來幫我們這個這個服務做事真的很辛苦那當然有些有些助理我們是在外面的助理那我們是另外\n56230\t84375\t剛剛有講我們自己在做管理那在我們立法院裡面我們的助理現在只有立法院處置法這個第32條在規範其他就沒有一些的具體的專章來處理那一般來講我們會像我們在我過去在市政府時代我們是在當勞工局長的時候我們大家就知道\n85755\t113966\t勞基法的規定我們一定會遵守它的最基本的要求那麼我們要善待我們自己的同仁助理我們一定也會做一些鼓勵的措施所以同仁也都可以很安心然後積極地去表現去做事所以其實管理基本盤已達到了那麼要讓他們可以達到更好的功效當然就是要鼓勵\n116467\t138744\t他們有時候會講說,好辛苦每一屆完了,就不曉得到底要去哪裡他們會有點像免洗工具他們說這個自嘲,叫免洗工具,用完了就丟所以我們一直想說,怎麼樣去保障他們的權益我們是將心比心\n140386\t155683\t這麼辛苦我們也知道他們的能力到哪裡因為他們真的是很這個有時候我們沒有想到的一些議題課題他會幫我們想到就是希望藉我們的這些國會這個委員能夠把\n160247\t182278\t該講的都講出來真的是不容易很多制度由他們去發掘所以我覺得他們的功能在我們來看還值得我們多多的肯定它給他們更多的保障像我們前一陣子發生像高鴻安委員他們的辦公室怎麼會有那樣的一個做法我們也覺得很奇怪\n183058\t209815\t那很多會思想這個傳授一些妙招啦但是我覺得這個都是偏鋒啊不可行那我想請教一下我們的秘書長當然剛才我們的那個政委員也有講到一定要定一個規範那現在秘書長也說要定一個比較完整的規範來讓他們的權益有個保障那\n213955\t239912\t國會助理在履行職責的時候是不是受到適當的這樣的健康保障我想這一次大概會把它定下來是的會跟委員報告這個原則上我很認同委員所說的因為事實上我們國會助理這個這些助理們事實上對委員幫助很大而且他們也真的是我們國會裡面很重要的\n241833\t266156\t資助之一因為沒有他們事實上委員的問政還有各方面都會受到蠻多的限制所以我們怎麼樣子想辦法讓所有的這些國會助理他們能夠有更好的一個待遇或福利等等事實上我們真的也很希望來做\n266917\t280757\t那麼只是因為現在國會助理他因為沒有具有公務人員身份所以在很多上面我們在處理上面事實上有他的困難所以這一次這個\n282780\t303821\t陳超文委員這個提案針對國會助理的這個健檢的預算還有文康的預算我覺得這個是非常有必要啦因為其實是在大概第八屆的時候就有大概有這個部分被刪掉那刪掉之後\n305936\t329007\t我們現在想要把它回復一般來講如果我們沒有一個依據的話那事實上是跟以前是有干擱所以我們就想說利用這個法令來做處理那剛好我們上次在答詢的時候幾乎委員大概都有共識那我們就想說那我們趕快弄個\n330308\t346545\t修正案然後讓他這個法制化然後就可以按照這個法制化就可以來編制預算然後合法的來處理所以我想今天大概就主要這個意思所以我想這個非常謝謝兩位召集委員這麼\n348287\t376829\t快的把它提出來那剛好那個有一個陳超明委員有類似的提案那我們就用這個提案來為主體然後我們提修正案讓他來通過我們也希望這個今天大家能夠有共識然後這個透過大家的共識然後看能不能不需協商不需黨團協商因為這個很單純啦那大家如果有共識就不需黨團協商那我們可以在\n377689\t387923\t這一任也許下個禮拜我們就讓他三讀通過讓他把它完成那對這個工會助理也有一個交代我是這樣子來懇求大家\n388539\t412680\t我們是希望該做的也不要拖因為畢竟這些助理我們看我們自己當立法委員的我們在外面跑一定要跑不跑我們是沒有後續的那現在就是一定要靠這些助理們來協助我們才能夠完成這個國會助理的任務\n413641\t436261\t那除了剛才講的健康保障就醫療的保障還有健康保險這個檢查的福利這些都應該給予照顧那還有呢就是在服務結束後是不是有一些像我們我們一般政務官還有一些所謂的退職金類的因為他不是正式公務員所以類似有個退職金就是\n436901\t458288\t已經像類似我們離職金這樣子 是不是有這樣的像我們看有些勞動條件的 他們就有一個離職金而我們是覺得考慮一下有沒有在他們合理的退休福利的安排建立一個退休金的制度 離職金這樣子\n459528\t471256\t就讓自己也可以繳一點然後我們政府部門給他補填一點讓他們有一個退休的制度我們現在人事處來報告一下\n474659\t490466\t目前的跟委員報告這個是依照勞基法相關費用那我們都有幫助理編那個勞保勞退這個都沒有問題只要他們符合規定就對我們都有編列預算對已經有照顧了是okok那我們有沒有補填他一點這樣子因為\n492884\t517916\t依照的規定有啦好謝謝那我再請教一下我們的公務人員保障及培訓委員會保障處的處長不好意思今天會問到因為我過去有當公務員那麼今天我們修法我們都樂見了但是就是說公務人員的保障\n519617\t526354\t保障越多,我們相信公務員都會很開心但是,我想我們有一個驗刑的理論\n527748\t556593\t如果那個飛燕一直要橫渡比如說橫渡太平洋那不曉得我隨便講的橫渡哪裡他一定要跟得上每一隻燕子要跟得上如果跟不上這個有時候會減弱這個團隊的力量所以是不是我們在這個我們公務員保障之外的這個培訓希望每一個單位一個命令給他們\n557745\t582357\t每一個年度是不是給他們自己內部自己去做加強訓練對於自己本科的或者本處的自己的這個目標願景每一年都給自己一次的這樣的一個教育訓練我是覺得需要常常看到某些單位\n584015\t603330\t會有些同仁會漸行漸遠跟不上腳步整個處或整個部門一直往前走的時候他是唱反調的所以希望他們內部都有這樣的一個每年的訓練要求他們每一年訓練可不可以\n604240\t618948\t報告委員我們的訓練進修法我們現在有分工保訓會的部分是負責公務人任用資格取得的訓練包括初任考試入局人員訓練跟升官等的訓練\n620789\t638302\t剛剛委員講的那個是在職訓練那在我們訓練進修的在職訓練本來每年各機關都會有他的訓練計畫然後同仁本來我們現在也有生涯規劃生涯的訓練會提供很多資源那這邊\n640632\t663502\t我們都有,每年都有 剛好我沒有辦法問到人事單位啦請人事發個命令,希望每一個單位都每年一定要做一個教育訓練有的,我們每年都有訓練計畫,而且每個同仁應該要參加多少的實術的訓練都有好,謝謝,我再請教司法院人事處長\n665203\t690124\t因為我們看到前幾天剛好好像是我們的法官訓練這個在受訓期間就就挑戰我們的性貧性騷那個防治的問題這個退訓了嗎那幾個報告委員這個是法務部司法官學院是隸屬於法務部是是是那我們就請教法務部的檢察官\n692314\t711989\t報告委員市長副市長報告委員針對委員所提的這個事件司法官學院現在依照程序在進行調查中那我們對於這個司法人員的這個道德標準我們會用最高的道德標準來要求那部長也在強調是我們對於這個絕對是我們希望是存優太烈不允許這不適格的人員擔任這個司法職務\n713490\t741229\tOK我好這件事情我想這個立下威信啦不然有時候法官以為以為自己考上的就得意忘形認為可能會相怨的不去處理這個是對養成的這樣很不容易考上的真的自己的品德一定要以身作則啦我想這個是很重要的另外一件我再請教是我們的是司法院\n743733\t744277\t是处长吗\n747336\t774267\t現在是法務部對不對我想還是人事處我想請教人事處長不對應該是司法院的人事處長吧好我請教你因為現在我們有一個案子已經起訴三年了而且各交保兩百萬這樣的案子是大家都眼睛都注意到這個大案子但是一直都沒有進入審判\n774963\t799784\t那後來好像是秘書長有告訴我說是因為換了法官我想再怎麼換那個不能不動因為你知道兩百萬交保是何等重大的案子檢察官一定也是罪證確鎖才會去起訴那我想拖了三年都完全不動那對於當事人他現在越來越囂張他覺得\n801765\t816524\t這個司法都對他無可奈何那我覺得司法違信就蕩然無成所以我想這個案子已經問過了完全沒有給我正確的訊息為什麼第一個這個受理兩年多的法官沒有苛責的地方\n817867\t837554\t對不對 沒有苛責 然後後續司法院也沒有特別去檢討我覺得這是很有問題的好不好 這個案子你們的那個什麼科長都清楚好不好 不要再拖了完全不動是不對的好 再另外一個問題問太多了 虛擬貨幣的虛擬貨幣是法務部的法務部的有嗎法務部有來嗎\n849049\t866021\t市長市長報告人虛擬貨幣不是法務部主管的不是我現在講一件事是要檢察官去做裁定現在這個案子是因為有一個凍結這個被騙資金的案例這個案子他因為個人被騙了以後\n867302\t886443\t這個積極的去找方法來凍結讓他凍結在錢包裡OK啦但是需要那個扣押回來要扣押回來讓這個行為人不要得逞那我想很難得都是個人自己在努力一直到最後他找到\n887003\t902416\t美國的一個檢察官裁定的案例終於把錢扣押取回但是我們這位當事人他很積極他自己也加入一個NGO的這個叫GASO的反詐騙組織他在台灣這樣的一個\n905539\t923320\t分會在當志工他一直在協助後續有被騙的人他在協助他去凍結那麼凍結以後一直在希望我們這邊的檢察官可以依照我們這個美國這位檢察官的成功案例去做裁定\n924241\t943901\t然後裁定之後就可以把錢取回但是一直遲遲等不到聽說在凍結的時效也快過了還是已經過了他說就是過了他還是要積極的希望我們地檢署這邊檢察官要積極作為不要再讓這個錢又被\n947105\t962926\t這個行為人把這個叫做加害人把他拿走了我覺得要積極能不能給我們一個答案這個檢察官如何作為報告委員因為委員您所提的可能是一個個案那部裡面我們對於那個具體的個案我們向來是不介入不干預不知道\n963266\t969268\t那委員所講的這個案的情形因為我們不太了解說它是不是在偵查程序當中有做所謂的搜索或者是扣押那如果是做了扣押的話還要區分說這個扣押是針對得為證據之物或者是得沒收之物來做的這個扣押的程序那相關的這個如果是它是得沒收之物或者是所謂的這個將來得為證據之物的話它會不同程序的處理那虛擬貨幣假設是我們這邊做扣押的話那目前我們在這個12月底的時候我們有相關的一個平台\n993018\t1021931\t我們可以就是有關於這個入境跟出境我們都有相關的規範是可以管理那但是因為對委員這個案的具體的情況我們這邊比較不了解所以這個部分我們是不是會後可以再向委員這邊了解其實防護部你們部長都很清楚部長已經也我們經過這樣的一個機會也講了半天那等於說你再去問一下好不好問問我們那個科長他已經被我煩死了\n1023271\t1031720\t好不好 積極一點 好不好不要一直讓我覺得說我這個連質詢都沒有效果 好不好好 OK好 謝謝湯偉珍 趙偉謝謝\n","txt":"先請教我們秘書長早上我們修的法我們是因為長期我們的國會助理的問題這一次我們\n正式的想要把這個定一個法律的規範那因為這些國會助理我們是這四年來跟國會助理這個日夜相處知道他們真的是盡心盡力來幫我們這個這個服務做事真的很辛苦那當然有些有些助理我們是在外面的助理那我們是另外\n剛剛有講我們自己在做管理那在我們立法院裡面我們的助理現在只有立法院處置法這個第32條在規範其他就沒有一些的具體的專章來處理那一般來講我們會像我們在我過去在市政府時代我們是在當勞工局長的時候我們大家就知道\n勞基法的規定我們一定會遵守它的最基本的要求那麼我們要善待我們自己的同仁助理我們一定也會做一些鼓勵的措施所以同仁也都可以很安心然後積極地去表現去做事所以其實管理基本盤已達到了那麼要讓他們可以達到更好的功效當然就是要鼓勵\n他們有時候會講說,好辛苦每一屆完了,就不曉得到底要去哪裡他們會有點像免洗工具他們說這個自嘲,叫免洗工具,用完了就丟所以我們一直想說,怎麼樣去保障他們的權益我們是將心比心\n這麼辛苦我們也知道他們的能力到哪裡因為他們真的是很這個有時候我們沒有想到的一些議題課題他會幫我們想到就是希望藉我們的這些國會這個委員能夠把\n該講的都講出來真的是不容易很多制度由他們去發掘所以我覺得他們的功能在我們來看還值得我們多多的肯定它給他們更多的保障像我們前一陣子發生像高鴻安委員他們的辦公室怎麼會有那樣的一個做法我們也覺得很奇怪\n那很多會思想這個傳授一些妙招啦但是我覺得這個都是偏鋒啊不可行那我想請教一下我們的秘書長當然剛才我們的那個政委員也有講到一定要定一個規範那現在秘書長也說要定一個比較完整的規範來讓他們的權益有個保障那\n國會助理在履行職責的時候是不是受到適當的這樣的健康保障我想這一次大概會把它定下來是的會跟委員報告這個原則上我很認同委員所說的因為事實上我們國會助理這個這些助理們事實上對委員幫助很大而且他們也真的是我們國會裡面很重要的\n資助之一因為沒有他們事實上委員的問政還有各方面都會受到蠻多的限制所以我們怎麼樣子想辦法讓所有的這些國會助理他們能夠有更好的一個待遇或福利等等事實上我們真的也很希望來做\n那麼只是因為現在國會助理他因為沒有具有公務人員身份所以在很多上面我們在處理上面事實上有他的困難所以這一次這個\n陳超文委員這個提案針對國會助理的這個健檢的預算還有文康的預算我覺得這個是非常有必要啦因為其實是在大概第八屆的時候就有大概有這個部分被刪掉那刪掉之後\n我們現在想要把它回復一般來講如果我們沒有一個依據的話那事實上是跟以前是有干擱所以我們就想說利用這個法令來做處理那剛好我們上次在答詢的時候幾乎委員大概都有共識那我們就想說那我們趕快弄個\n修正案然後讓他這個法制化然後就可以按照這個法制化就可以來編制預算然後合法的來處理所以我想今天大概就主要這個意思所以我想這個非常謝謝兩位召集委員這麼\n快的把它提出來那剛好那個有一個陳超明委員有類似的提案那我們就用這個提案來為主體然後我們提修正案讓他來通過我們也希望這個今天大家能夠有共識然後這個透過大家的共識然後看能不能不需協商不需黨團協商因為這個很單純啦那大家如果有共識就不需黨團協商那我們可以在\n這一任也許下個禮拜我們就讓他三讀通過讓他把它完成那對這個工會助理也有一個交代我是這樣子來懇求大家\n我們是希望該做的也不要拖因為畢竟這些助理我們看我們自己當立法委員的我們在外面跑一定要跑不跑我們是沒有後續的那現在就是一定要靠這些助理們來協助我們才能夠完成這個國會助理的任務\n那除了剛才講的健康保障就醫療的保障還有健康保險這個檢查的福利這些都應該給予照顧那還有呢就是在服務結束後是不是有一些像我們我們一般政務官還有一些所謂的退職金類的因為他不是正式公務員所以類似有個退職金就是\n已經像類似我們離職金這樣子 是不是有這樣的像我們看有些勞動條件的 他們就有一個離職金而我們是覺得考慮一下有沒有在他們合理的退休福利的安排建立一個退休金的制度 離職金這樣子\n就讓自己也可以繳一點然後我們政府部門給他補填一點讓他們有一個退休的制度我們現在人事處來報告一下\n目前的跟委員報告這個是依照勞基法相關費用那我們都有幫助理編那個勞保勞退這個都沒有問題只要他們符合規定就對我們都有編列預算對已經有照顧了是okok那我們有沒有補填他一點這樣子因為\n依照的規定有啦好謝謝那我再請教一下我們的公務人員保障及培訓委員會保障處的處長不好意思今天會問到因為我過去有當公務員那麼今天我們修法我們都樂見了但是就是說公務人員的保障\n保障越多,我們相信公務員都會很開心但是,我想我們有一個驗刑的理論\n如果那個飛燕一直要橫渡比如說橫渡太平洋那不曉得我隨便講的橫渡哪裡他一定要跟得上每一隻燕子要跟得上如果跟不上這個有時候會減弱這個團隊的力量所以是不是我們在這個我們公務員保障之外的這個培訓希望每一個單位一個命令給他們\n每一個年度是不是給他們自己內部自己去做加強訓練對於自己本科的或者本處的自己的這個目標願景每一年都給自己一次的這樣的一個教育訓練我是覺得需要常常看到某些單位\n會有些同仁會漸行漸遠跟不上腳步整個處或整個部門一直往前走的時候他是唱反調的所以希望他們內部都有這樣的一個每年的訓練要求他們每一年訓練可不可以\n報告委員我們的訓練進修法我們現在有分工保訓會的部分是負責公務人任用資格取得的訓練包括初任考試入局人員訓練跟升官等的訓練\n剛剛委員講的那個是在職訓練那在我們訓練進修的在職訓練本來每年各機關都會有他的訓練計畫然後同仁本來我們現在也有生涯規劃生涯的訓練會提供很多資源那這邊\n我們都有,每年都有 剛好我沒有辦法問到人事單位啦請人事發個命令,希望每一個單位都每年一定要做一個教育訓練有的,我們每年都有訓練計畫,而且每個同仁應該要參加多少的實術的訓練都有好,謝謝,我再請教司法院人事處長\n因為我們看到前幾天剛好好像是我們的法官訓練這個在受訓期間就就挑戰我們的性貧性騷那個防治的問題這個退訓了嗎那幾個報告委員這個是法務部司法官學院是隸屬於法務部是是是那我們就請教法務部的檢察官\n報告委員市長副市長報告委員針對委員所提的這個事件司法官學院現在依照程序在進行調查中那我們對於這個司法人員的這個道德標準我們會用最高的道德標準來要求那部長也在強調是我們對於這個絕對是我們希望是存優太烈不允許這不適格的人員擔任這個司法職務\nOK我好這件事情我想這個立下威信啦不然有時候法官以為以為自己考上的就得意忘形認為可能會相怨的不去處理這個是對養成的這樣很不容易考上的真的自己的品德一定要以身作則啦我想這個是很重要的另外一件我再請教是我們的是司法院\n是处长吗\n現在是法務部對不對我想還是人事處我想請教人事處長不對應該是司法院的人事處長吧好我請教你因為現在我們有一個案子已經起訴三年了而且各交保兩百萬這樣的案子是大家都眼睛都注意到這個大案子但是一直都沒有進入審判\n那後來好像是秘書長有告訴我說是因為換了法官我想再怎麼換那個不能不動因為你知道兩百萬交保是何等重大的案子檢察官一定也是罪證確鎖才會去起訴那我想拖了三年都完全不動那對於當事人他現在越來越囂張他覺得\n這個司法都對他無可奈何那我覺得司法違信就蕩然無成所以我想這個案子已經問過了完全沒有給我正確的訊息為什麼第一個這個受理兩年多的法官沒有苛責的地方\n對不對 沒有苛責 然後後續司法院也沒有特別去檢討我覺得這是很有問題的好不好 這個案子你們的那個什麼科長都清楚好不好 不要再拖了完全不動是不對的好 再另外一個問題問太多了 虛擬貨幣的虛擬貨幣是法務部的法務部的有嗎法務部有來嗎\n市長市長報告人虛擬貨幣不是法務部主管的不是我現在講一件事是要檢察官去做裁定現在這個案子是因為有一個凍結這個被騙資金的案例這個案子他因為個人被騙了以後\n這個積極的去找方法來凍結讓他凍結在錢包裡OK啦但是需要那個扣押回來要扣押回來讓這個行為人不要得逞那我想很難得都是個人自己在努力一直到最後他找到\n美國的一個檢察官裁定的案例終於把錢扣押取回但是我們這位當事人他很積極他自己也加入一個NGO的這個叫GASO的反詐騙組織他在台灣這樣的一個\n分會在當志工他一直在協助後續有被騙的人他在協助他去凍結那麼凍結以後一直在希望我們這邊的檢察官可以依照我們這個美國這位檢察官的成功案例去做裁定\n然後裁定之後就可以把錢取回但是一直遲遲等不到聽說在凍結的時效也快過了還是已經過了他說就是過了他還是要積極的希望我們地檢署這邊檢察官要積極作為不要再讓這個錢又被\n這個行為人把這個叫做加害人把他拿走了我覺得要積極能不能給我們一個答案這個檢察官如何作為報告委員因為委員您所提的可能是一個個案那部裡面我們對於那個具體的個案我們向來是不介入不干預不知道\n那委員所講的這個案的情形因為我們不太了解說它是不是在偵查程序當中有做所謂的搜索或者是扣押那如果是做了扣押的話還要區分說這個扣押是針對得為證據之物或者是得沒收之物來做的這個扣押的程序那相關的這個如果是它是得沒收之物或者是所謂的這個將來得為證據之物的話它會不同程序的處理那虛擬貨幣假設是我們這邊做扣押的話那目前我們在這個12月底的時候我們有相關的一個平台\n我們可以就是有關於這個入境跟出境我們都有相關的規範是可以管理那但是因為對委員這個案的具體的情況我們這邊比較不了解所以這個部分我們是不是會後可以再向委員這邊了解其實防護部你們部長都很清楚部長已經也我們經過這樣的一個機會也講了半天那等於說你再去問一下好不好問問我們那個科長他已經被我煩死了\n好不好 積極一點 好不好不要一直讓我覺得說我這個連質詢都沒有效果 好不好好 OK好 謝謝湯偉珍 趙偉謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 --> 00:10.097\n先請教我們秘書長早上我們修的法我們是因為長期我們的國會助理的問題這一次我們\n\n00:26.297 --> 00:55.450\n正式的想要把這個定一個法律的規範那因為這些國會助理我們是這四年來跟國會助理這個日夜相處知道他們真的是盡心盡力來幫我們這個這個服務做事真的很辛苦那當然有些有些助理我們是在外面的助理那我們是另外\n\n00:56.230 --> 01:24.375\n剛剛有講我們自己在做管理那在我們立法院裡面我們的助理現在只有立法院處置法這個第32條在規範其他就沒有一些的具體的專章來處理那一般來講我們會像我們在我過去在市政府時代我們是在當勞工局長的時候我們大家就知道\n\n01:25.755 --> 01:53.966\n勞基法的規定我們一定會遵守它的最基本的要求那麼我們要善待我們自己的同仁助理我們一定也會做一些鼓勵的措施所以同仁也都可以很安心然後積極地去表現去做事所以其實管理基本盤已達到了那麼要讓他們可以達到更好的功效當然就是要鼓勵\n\n01:56.467 --> 02:18.744\n他們有時候會講說,好辛苦每一屆完了,就不曉得到底要去哪裡他們會有點像免洗工具他們說這個自嘲,叫免洗工具,用完了就丟所以我們一直想說,怎麼樣去保障他們的權益我們是將心比心\n\n02:20.386 --> 02:35.683\n這麼辛苦我們也知道他們的能力到哪裡因為他們真的是很這個有時候我們沒有想到的一些議題課題他會幫我們想到就是希望藉我們的這些國會這個委員能夠把\n\n02:40.247 --> 03:02.278\n該講的都講出來真的是不容易很多制度由他們去發掘所以我覺得他們的功能在我們來看還值得我們多多的肯定它給他們更多的保障像我們前一陣子發生像高鴻安委員他們的辦公室怎麼會有那樣的一個做法我們也覺得很奇怪\n\n03:03.058 --> 03:29.815\n那很多會思想這個傳授一些妙招啦但是我覺得這個都是偏鋒啊不可行那我想請教一下我們的秘書長當然剛才我們的那個政委員也有講到一定要定一個規範那現在秘書長也說要定一個比較完整的規範來讓他們的權益有個保障那\n\n03:33.955 --> 03:59.912\n國會助理在履行職責的時候是不是受到適當的這樣的健康保障我想這一次大概會把它定下來是的會跟委員報告這個原則上我很認同委員所說的因為事實上我們國會助理這個這些助理們事實上對委員幫助很大而且他們也真的是我們國會裡面很重要的\n\n04:01.833 --> 04:26.156\n資助之一因為沒有他們事實上委員的問政還有各方面都會受到蠻多的限制所以我們怎麼樣子想辦法讓所有的這些國會助理他們能夠有更好的一個待遇或福利等等事實上我們真的也很希望來做\n\n04:26.917 --> 04:40.757\n那麼只是因為現在國會助理他因為沒有具有公務人員身份所以在很多上面我們在處理上面事實上有他的困難所以這一次這個\n\n04:42.780 --> 05:03.821\n陳超文委員這個提案針對國會助理的這個健檢的預算還有文康的預算我覺得這個是非常有必要啦因為其實是在大概第八屆的時候就有大概有這個部分被刪掉那刪掉之後\n\n05:05.936 --> 05:29.007\n我們現在想要把它回復一般來講如果我們沒有一個依據的話那事實上是跟以前是有干擱所以我們就想說利用這個法令來做處理那剛好我們上次在答詢的時候幾乎委員大概都有共識那我們就想說那我們趕快弄個\n\n05:30.308 --> 05:46.545\n修正案然後讓他這個法制化然後就可以按照這個法制化就可以來編制預算然後合法的來處理所以我想今天大概就主要這個意思所以我想這個非常謝謝兩位召集委員這麼\n\n05:48.287 --> 06:16.829\n快的把它提出來那剛好那個有一個陳超明委員有類似的提案那我們就用這個提案來為主體然後我們提修正案讓他來通過我們也希望這個今天大家能夠有共識然後這個透過大家的共識然後看能不能不需協商不需黨團協商因為這個很單純啦那大家如果有共識就不需黨團協商那我們可以在\n\n06:17.689 --> 06:27.923\n這一任也許下個禮拜我們就讓他三讀通過讓他把它完成那對這個工會助理也有一個交代我是這樣子來懇求大家\n\n06:28.539 --> 06:52.680\n我們是希望該做的也不要拖因為畢竟這些助理我們看我們自己當立法委員的我們在外面跑一定要跑不跑我們是沒有後續的那現在就是一定要靠這些助理們來協助我們才能夠完成這個國會助理的任務\n\n06:53.641 --> 07:16.261\n那除了剛才講的健康保障就醫療的保障還有健康保險這個檢查的福利這些都應該給予照顧那還有呢就是在服務結束後是不是有一些像我們我們一般政務官還有一些所謂的退職金類的因為他不是正式公務員所以類似有個退職金就是\n\n07:16.901 --> 07:38.288\n已經像類似我們離職金這樣子是不是有這樣的像我們看有些勞動條件的他們就有一個離職金而我們是覺得考慮一下有沒有在他們合理的退休福利的安排建立一個退休金的制度離職金這樣子\n\n07:39.528 --> 07:51.256\n就讓自己也可以繳一點然後我們政府部門給他補填一點讓他們有一個退休的制度我們現在人事處來報告一下\n\n07:54.659 --> 08:10.466\n目前的跟委員報告這個是依照勞基法相關費用那我們都有幫助理編那個勞保勞退這個都沒有問題只要他們符合規定就對我們都有編列預算對已經有照顧了是okok那我們有沒有補填他一點這樣子因為\n\n08:12.884 --> 08:37.916\n依照的規定有啦好謝謝那我再請教一下我們的公務人員保障及培訓委員會保障處的處長不好意思今天會問到因為我過去有當公務員那麼今天我們修法我們都樂見了但是就是說公務人員的保障\n\n08:39.617 --> 08:46.354\n保障越多,我們相信公務員都會很開心但是,我想我們有一個驗刑的理論\n\n08:47.748 --> 09:16.593\n如果那個飛燕一直要橫渡比如說橫渡太平洋那不曉得我隨便講的橫渡哪裡他一定要跟得上每一隻燕子要跟得上如果跟不上這個有時候會減弱這個團隊的力量所以是不是我們在這個我們公務員保障之外的這個培訓希望每一個單位一個命令給他們\n\n09:17.745 --> 09:42.357\n每一個年度是不是給他們自己內部自己去做加強訓練對於自己本科的或者本處的自己的這個目標願景每一年都給自己一次的這樣的一個教育訓練我是覺得需要常常看到某些單位\n\n09:44.015 --> 10:03.330\n會有些同仁會漸行漸遠跟不上腳步整個處或整個部門一直往前走的時候他是唱反調的所以希望他們內部都有這樣的一個每年的訓練要求他們每一年訓練可不可以\n\n10:04.240 --> 10:18.948\n報告委員我們的訓練進修法我們現在有分工保訓會的部分是負責公務人任用資格取得的訓練包括初任考試入局人員訓練跟升官等的訓練\n\n10:20.789 --> 10:38.302\n剛剛委員講的那個是在職訓練那在我們訓練進修的在職訓練本來每年各機關都會有他的訓練計畫然後同仁本來我們現在也有生涯規劃生涯的訓練會提供很多資源那這邊\n\n10:40.632 --> 11:03.502\n我們都有,每年都有剛好我沒有辦法問到人事單位啦請人事發個命令,希望每一個單位都每年一定要做一個教育訓練有的,我們每年都有訓練計畫,而且每個同仁應該要參加多少的實術的訓練都有好,謝謝,我再請教司法院人事處長\n\n11:05.203 --> 11:30.124\n因為我們看到前幾天剛好好像是我們的法官訓練這個在受訓期間就就挑戰我們的性貧性騷那個防治的問題這個退訓了嗎那幾個報告委員這個是法務部司法官學院是隸屬於法務部是是是那我們就請教法務部的檢察官\n\n11:32.314 --> 11:51.989\n報告委員市長副市長報告委員針對委員所提的這個事件司法官學院現在依照程序在進行調查中那我們對於這個司法人員的這個道德標準我們會用最高的道德標準來要求那部長也在強調是我們對於這個絕對是我們希望是存優太烈不允許這不適格的人員擔任這個司法職務\n\n11:53.490 --> 12:21.229\nOK我好這件事情我想這個立下威信啦不然有時候法官以為以為自己考上的就得意忘形認為可能會相怨的不去處理這個是對養成的這樣很不容易考上的真的自己的品德一定要以身作則啦我想這個是很重要的另外一件我再請教是我們的是司法院\n\n12:23.733 --> 12:24.277\n是处长吗\n\n12:27.336 --> 12:54.267\n現在是法務部對不對我想還是人事處我想請教人事處長不對應該是司法院的人事處長吧好我請教你因為現在我們有一個案子已經起訴三年了而且各交保兩百萬這樣的案子是大家都眼睛都注意到這個大案子但是一直都沒有進入審判\n\n12:54.963 --> 13:19.784\n那後來好像是秘書長有告訴我說是因為換了法官我想再怎麼換那個不能不動因為你知道兩百萬交保是何等重大的案子檢察官一定也是罪證確鎖才會去起訴那我想拖了三年都完全不動那對於當事人他現在越來越囂張他覺得\n\n13:21.765 --> 13:36.524\n這個司法都對他無可奈何那我覺得司法違信就蕩然無成所以我想這個案子已經問過了完全沒有給我正確的訊息為什麼第一個這個受理兩年多的法官沒有苛責的地方\n\n13:37.867 --> 13:57.554\n對不對沒有苛責然後後續司法院也沒有特別去檢討我覺得這是很有問題的好不好這個案子你們的那個什麼科長都清楚好不好不要再拖了完全不動是不對的好再另外一個問題問太多了虛擬貨幣的虛擬貨幣是法務部的法務部的有嗎法務部有來嗎\n\n14:09.049 --> 14:26.021\n市長市長報告人虛擬貨幣不是法務部主管的不是我現在講一件事是要檢察官去做裁定現在這個案子是因為有一個凍結這個被騙資金的案例這個案子他因為個人被騙了以後\n\n14:27.302 --> 14:46.443\n這個積極的去找方法來凍結讓他凍結在錢包裡OK啦但是需要那個扣押回來要扣押回來讓這個行為人不要得逞那我想很難得都是個人自己在努力一直到最後他找到\n\n14:47.003 --> 15:02.416\n美國的一個檢察官裁定的案例終於把錢扣押取回但是我們這位當事人他很積極他自己也加入一個NGO的這個叫GASO的反詐騙組織他在台灣這樣的一個\n\n15:05.539 --> 15:23.320\n分會在當志工他一直在協助後續有被騙的人他在協助他去凍結那麼凍結以後一直在希望我們這邊的檢察官可以依照我們這個美國這位檢察官的成功案例去做裁定\n\n15:24.241 --> 15:43.901\n然後裁定之後就可以把錢取回但是一直遲遲等不到聽說在凍結的時效也快過了還是已經過了他說就是過了他還是要積極的希望我們地檢署這邊檢察官要積極作為不要再讓這個錢又被\n\n15:47.105 --> 16:02.926\n這個行為人把這個叫做加害人把他拿走了我覺得要積極能不能給我們一個答案這個檢察官如何作為報告委員因為委員您所提的可能是一個個案那部裡面我們對於那個具體的個案我們向來是不介入不干預不知道\n\n16:03.266 --> 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剛好我沒有辦法問到人事單位啦請人事發個命令,希望每一個單位都每年一定要做一個教育訓練有的,我們每年都有訓練計畫,而且每個同仁應該要參加多少的實術的訓練都有好,謝謝,我再請教司法院人事處長"},{"start":665.203,"end":690.124,"text":"因為我們看到前幾天剛好好像是我們的法官訓練這個在受訓期間就就挑戰我們的性貧性騷那個防治的問題這個退訓了嗎那幾個報告委員這個是法務部司法官學院是隸屬於法務部是是是那我們就請教法務部的檢察官"},{"start":692.314,"end":711.989,"text":"報告委員市長副市長報告委員針對委員所提的這個事件司法官學院現在依照程序在進行調查中那我們對於這個司法人員的這個道德標準我們會用最高的道德標準來要求那部長也在強調是我們對於這個絕對是我們希望是存優太烈不允許這不適格的人員擔任這個司法職務"},{"start":713.49,"end":741.229,"text":"OK我好這件事情我想這個立下威信啦不然有時候法官以為以為自己考上的就得意忘形認為可能會相怨的不去處理這個是對養成的這樣很不容易考上的真的自己的品德一定要以身作則啦我想這個是很重要的另外一件我再請教是我們的是司法院"},{"start":743.733,"end":744.277,"text":"是处长吗"},{"start":747.336,"end":774.267,"text":"現在是法務部對不對我想還是人事處我想請教人事處長不對應該是司法院的人事處長吧好我請教你因為現在我們有一個案子已經起訴三年了而且各交保兩百萬這樣的案子是大家都眼睛都注意到這個大案子但是一直都沒有進入審判"},{"start":774.963,"end":799.784,"text":"那後來好像是秘書長有告訴我說是因為換了法官我想再怎麼換那個不能不動因為你知道兩百萬交保是何等重大的案子檢察官一定也是罪證確鎖才會去起訴那我想拖了三年都完全不動那對於當事人他現在越來越囂張他覺得"},{"start":801.765,"end":816.524,"text":"這個司法都對他無可奈何那我覺得司法違信就蕩然無成所以我想這個案子已經問過了完全沒有給我正確的訊息為什麼第一個這個受理兩年多的法官沒有苛責的地方"},{"start":817.867,"end":837.554,"text":"對不對 沒有苛責 然後後續司法院也沒有特別去檢討我覺得這是很有問題的好不好 這個案子你們的那個什麼科長都清楚好不好 不要再拖了完全不動是不對的好 再另外一個問題問太多了 虛擬貨幣的虛擬貨幣是法務部的法務部的有嗎法務部有來嗎"},{"start":849.049,"end":866.021,"text":"市長市長報告人虛擬貨幣不是法務部主管的不是我現在講一件事是要檢察官去做裁定現在這個案子是因為有一個凍結這個被騙資金的案例這個案子他因為個人被騙了以後"},{"start":867.302,"end":886.443,"text":"這個積極的去找方法來凍結讓他凍結在錢包裡OK啦但是需要那個扣押回來要扣押回來讓這個行為人不要得逞那我想很難得都是個人自己在努力一直到最後他找到"},{"start":887.003,"end":902.416,"text":"美國的一個檢察官裁定的案例終於把錢扣押取回但是我們這位當事人他很積極他自己也加入一個NGO的這個叫GASO的反詐騙組織他在台灣這樣的一個"},{"start":905.539,"end":923.32,"text":"分會在當志工他一直在協助後續有被騙的人他在協助他去凍結那麼凍結以後一直在希望我們這邊的檢察官可以依照我們這個美國這位檢察官的成功案例去做裁定"},{"start":924.241,"end":943.901,"text":"然後裁定之後就可以把錢取回但是一直遲遲等不到聽說在凍結的時效也快過了還是已經過了他說就是過了他還是要積極的希望我們地檢署這邊檢察官要積極作為不要再讓這個錢又被"},{"start":947.105,"end":962.926,"text":"這個行為人把這個叫做加害人把他拿走了我覺得要積極能不能給我們一個答案這個檢察官如何作為報告委員因為委員您所提的可能是一個個案那部裡面我們對於那個具體的個案我們向來是不介入不干預不知道"},{"start":963.266,"end":969.268,"text":"那委員所講的這個案的情形因為我們不太了解說它是不是在偵查程序當中有做所謂的搜索或者是扣押那如果是做了扣押的話還要區分說這個扣押是針對得為證據之物或者是得沒收之物來做的這個扣押的程序那相關的這個如果是它是得沒收之物或者是所謂的這個將來得為證據之物的話它會不同程序的處理那虛擬貨幣假設是我們這邊做扣押的話那目前我們在這個12月底的時候我們有相關的一個平台"},{"start":993.018,"end":1021.931,"text":"我們可以就是有關於這個入境跟出境我們都有相關的規範是可以管理那但是因為對委員這個案的具體的情況我們這邊比較不了解所以這個部分我們是不是會後可以再向委員這邊了解其實防護部你們部長都很清楚部長已經也我們經過這樣的一個機會也講了半天那等於說你再去問一下好不好問問我們那個科長他已經被我煩死了"},{"start":1023.271,"end":1031.72,"text":"好不好 積極一點 好不好不要一直讓我覺得說我這個連質詢都沒有效果 好不好好 OK好 謝謝湯偉珍 趙偉謝謝"}]}}}}