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00:00:29,611\n好謝謝主席我想請教秘書長就是昨天我們在報端還有今天的這個報紙很多的頭版呢提到了這個選前關鍵時刻有發生類似一個境外勢力造假的一個所謂監聽的資訊外露那這事情我不曉得秘書長我們在立院你有沒有收到任何的情資或者是相關的通報來跟您說\n\n2\n00:00:31,193 --> 00:00:44,904\n沒有這個事情沒有都沒有完全沒有那因為我們看報端裡面包括我們的副院長蔡其昌他的名字呢是在被監聽的名單上所以我們要了解看看那個委員那個\n\n3\n00:00:45,973 --> 00:01:09,408\n也是今天早上那個王委員有提出這個我們也是完全不清楚我知道那個法務部調查局他們有說應該是假的但是我們也是想說不管是真假我們至少也在了解更清楚一些\n\n4\n00:01:10,512 --> 00:01:36,809\n是這樣的因為我在10月26號我們在司法委員會我也質詢過當時調查局我也給他稱讚就是說對於有一個所謂柯P的秘密會議的這個記錄裡面他的聲音聽起來很像是柯P柯文哲主席但事實上後來調查局他們見識之後說那個是假的是假的那我覺得我們的技術上面在這個身為影音部分已經很有這個\n\n5\n00:01:38,751 --> 00:01:53,032\n這個進展也做得還不錯那當然我們大家也對於這一次大選到來會不會有所謂借選呢透過一些假的文件訊息特別是像這個深圍技術的部分那我在這裡就想要請教因為\n\n6\n00:01:54,413 --> 00:02:17,696\n剛剛秘書長已經確認我們沒有收到任何的群職通報給我們立院那但是這一次在所謂的這個提供出來的所謂監聽所謂群職監聽這四個字當然我是括號的我說暫時用群職監聽這個來講好像包括了立院的一些委員政府的局處長甚至是這個\n\n7\n00:02:19,181 --> 00:02:35,210\n一些縣市長都被當作一個設置一個假的訊息來向外界報料就是說這些人都被情治單位監聽所以這當然是一個很震驚的一個消息那很快的我們看到法務部長\n\n8\n00:02:36,704 --> 00:02:54,930\n跟我們的刑事局、調查局、最高檢、廉政署、國安局都有出來講說這些是一個可能是錯的甚至就是說是一個認知作戰而且是境外勢力所致那我們看到這個2019年的時候就是我們這一屆的\n\n9\n00:02:57,718 --> 00:03:20,873\n這個立院的跟總統大選的那個時刻2020年以前2019年左右這個法務部長蔡清祥他當時也就講過說政治爭訪是歷史名詞也就是說不能也不應該有所謂過去講的這種政治爭訪那但他們專業上面現在鎖定的是假訊息跟境外的至今那是在2019年當時要選舉那現在20241月也要選舉所以10至4年呢這整個的\n\n10\n00:03:27,637 --> 00:03:52,882\n對於假訊息的作戰境外資金作戰跟境外勢力所謂借選與否應該是上升到認知作戰可能會混淆整個社會的秩序甚至對於很多的人跟人關係的信任度馬上就已經進到了一個比較風險跟威脅的情勢所以想請問我們法務部今天是有司長\n\n11\n00:03:54,744 --> 00:04:17,214\n副司長是檢察司的副司長就這整件事情包括就你了解我們現在法務部在這個所謂打擊所謂假訊息跟境外資金或境外勢力甚至作戰部分你這個司或你對你的部裡面了解這次的做法你自己覺得有沒有什麼地方可以在精進的地方\n\n12\n00:04:17,965 --> 00:04:26,734\n向委員報告就像淳如委員所提到的因為一應明年這個二合一的大選所以我們按照過去選舉的這個經驗我們知道說這個境外勢力的借選或者是假訊息一定會比以往更加的嚴重所以這一次我們班定的這個查會的工作綱領裡面我們把這個查緝境外勢力借選還有這個查緝假訊息的部分列為我們的三大強韌策略之一還有我們的重點工作\n\n13\n00:04:41,067 --> 00:04:45,390\n那麼另外我們知道說要查緝這些假訊息或者是境外勢力竊選其實必須要靠有很廣泛的情資那我們才不會我們才不會就是說這個整個的掙扎能量被這個消耗所以我們認為檢舉的情資非常重要所以我們在8月22號的時候也修正發布新的鼓勵檢舉妨害選舉的這個獎金的這個要點所以我們把這個檢舉境外勢力竊選還有這個就是選舉賭盤的部分都納入在這一次\n\n14\n00:05:08,146 --> 00:05:09,708\n可以給講的這個範圍那我們全體的檢察官還有這個相關的這個警告單位也是全力的投入這個查查會選那在假訊息的部分我們的六都的檢察署也都有成立這個假訊息的這個因應的中心有專責的主任假官來做負責\n\n15\n00:05:23,922 --> 00:05:39,743\n那我們希望對於這個假訊息的時候我們要求就是說在很快的時間當中我們要確定它是不是假訊息假設是這個假訊息的情況之下就要事實的澄清那如果這個假訊息會涉嫌到涉嫌到相關的犯罪的時候我們的搜索檢察官我也會在第一時間迅速的查辦\n\n16\n00:05:40,695 --> 00:06:05,078\n是所以想請教的就是說昨天晚上我們大概傍晚的時間就很多媒體在詢問各個委員對這件事情的看法到昨天的晚上大概邢太昭總長就已經認定這是一個監聽的資料境外勢力的認知作戰所為所以我只是想要確認我們現在剛剛講六都也有檢察署自己的指使\n\n17\n00:06:05,498 --> 00:06:25,849\n的這個指揮系統然後這個整體上面應該也是檢察總長這邊會有所謂情資跟判案的一個回報系統所以這件事情到底在昨天你們之前已經知道了還是昨天同步時間然後你們很快的在三四個小時就可以認定這個就是境外勢力的認知作戰\n\n18\n00:06:26,509 --> 00:06:34,536\n跟委員報告這個事情我們也是昨天知道的那昨天知道的第一時間的時候調查局跟最高檢這邊都有進行了解那其實最高檢也有發布新聞稿從這個他認為說這個是境外的伺服器把這個訊息投放到社群的網站而且裡面有一些簡體字還有新聞的紀念那甚至有一些指稱跟電話的國碼都是有一些異議的所以據此初步的最高檢察署跟這個調查局判斷這可能應該是認知作戰\n\n19\n00:06:52,990 --> 00:06:59,625\n那最高檢也在第一時間責成這個台北地檢署分案來查處偵辦我們希望適時的可以釐清這整個事件\n\n20\n00:07:00,222 --> 00:07:23,057\n也許這個做法出兆我們看出來的真實度很快可以辨明包括是所謂境外的伺服器所以你們很快地用這個做判準但是如果它做得微妙微笑甚至像之前2017年我們互證資料2300萬筆外洩的事情查證起來也比較困難沒有辦法很快地釐清所以我是希望我們今天在這裡因為\n\n21\n00:07:25,639 --> 00:07:48,849\n主席也是我們司法相關專業的律師我是覺得這件事是不是可以請主席才是就是請調查局或者是法務部可以在兩週內給我們一個專案的報告就這件事情判斷的基準的速度性跟你們的專業度我們是支持的肯定但是這一次發言有五六個單位都出來發言到底SOP是什麼\n\n22\n00:07:49,309 --> 00:08:16,877\n那最後像發生過再次的狀況整體上面國人的疑慮你們誰會是一個定於一尊的主責來對外說明不然你看國安局有這個調查局然後還有我們自己的這個最高檢等等還有刑事局那連我們委員幾乎各黨團的總召副總召都被問所以我覺得這需要一個更完整的SOP來讓我們也了解如何參與就是說防堵認知作戰的一個角色\n\n23\n00:08:18,698 --> 00:08:38,088\n謝謝賴相林委員那我們就請法務部在兩個禮拜內就整起事件的調查的經過事實經過未來要怎麼因應可以做很詳細的調查書面報告用書面報告提供給本委員會立法院的可能就\n\n24\n00:08:39,128 --> 00:08:48,174\n那他這邊有理法院的就是就參照了我參照了因為你一個月嘛OK好謝謝謝謝主席謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1931\t29611\t好 謝謝主席我想請教秘書長就是昨天我們在報端還有今天的這個報紙很多的頭版呢提到了這個選前關鍵時刻有發生類似一個境外勢力造假的一個所謂監聽的資訊外露那這事情我不曉得秘書長我們在立院你有沒有收到任何的情資或者是相關的通報來跟您說\n31193\t44904\t沒有這個事情沒有都沒有完全沒有那因為我們看報端裡面包括我們的副院長蔡其昌他的名字呢是在被監聽的名單上所以我們要了解看看那個委員那個\n45973\t69408\t也是今天早上那個王委員有提出這個我們也是完全不清楚我知道那個法務部調查局他們有說應該是假的但是我們也是想說不管是真假我們至少也在了解更清楚一些\n70512\t96809\t是這樣的 因為我在10月26號我們在司法委員會我也質詢過當時調查局我也給他稱讚就是說對於有一個所謂柯P的秘密會議的這個記錄裡面他的聲音聽起來很像是柯P柯文哲主席但事實上後來調查局他們見識之後說那個是假的是假的那我覺得我們的技術上面在這個身為影音部分已經很有這個\n98751\t113032\t這個進展也做得還不錯那當然我們大家也對於這一次大選到來會不會有所謂借選呢透過一些假的文件訊息特別是像這個深圍技術的部分那我在這裡就想要請教因為\n114413\t137696\t剛剛秘書長已經確認我們沒有收到任何的群職通報給我們立院那但是這一次在所謂的這個提供出來的所謂監聽所謂群職監聽這四個字當然我是括號的我說暫時用群職監聽這個來講好像包括了立院的一些委員政府的局處長甚至是這個\n139181\t155210\t一些縣市長都被當作一個設置一個假的訊息來向外界報料就是說這些人都被情治單位監聽所以這當然是一個很震驚的一個消息那很快的我們看到法務部長\n156704\t174930\t跟我們的刑事局、調查局、最高檢、廉政署、國安局都有出來講說這些是一個可能是錯的甚至就是說是一個認知作戰而且是境外勢力所致那我們看到這個2019年的時候就是我們這一屆的\n177718\t200873\t這個立院的跟總統大選的那個時刻2020年以前2019年左右這個法務部長蔡清祥他當時也就講過說政治爭訪是歷史名詞也就是說不能也不應該有所謂過去講的這種政治爭訪那但他們專業上面現在鎖定的是假訊息跟境外的至今那是在2019年當時要選舉那現在20241月也要選舉所以10至4年呢這整個的\n207637\t232882\t對於假訊息的作戰境外資金作戰跟境外勢力所謂借選與否應該是上升到認知作戰可能會混淆整個社會的秩序甚至對於很多的人跟人關係的信任度馬上就已經進到了一個比較風險跟威脅的情勢所以想請問我們法務部今天是有司長\n234744\t257214\t副司長是檢察司的副司長就這整件事情包括就你了解我們現在法務部在這個所謂打擊所謂假訊息跟境外資金或境外勢力甚至作戰部分你這個司或你對你的部裡面了解這次的做法你自己覺得有沒有什麼地方可以在精進的地方\n257965\t266734\t向委員報告就像淳如委員所提到的因為一應明年這個二合一的大選所以我們按照過去選舉的這個經驗我們知道說這個境外勢力的借選或者是假訊息一定會比以往更加的嚴重所以這一次我們班定的這個查會的工作綱領裡面我們把這個查緝境外勢力借選還有這個查緝假訊息的部分列為我們的三大強韌策略之一還有我們的重點工作\n281067\t285390\t那麼另外我們知道說要查緝這些假訊息或者是境外勢力竊選其實必須要靠有很廣泛的情資那我們才不會我們才不會就是說這個整個的掙扎能量被這個消耗所以我們認為檢舉的情資非常重要所以我們在8月22號的時候也修正發布新的鼓勵檢舉妨害選舉的這個獎金的這個要點所以我們把這個檢舉境外勢力竊選還有這個就是選舉賭盤的部分都納入在這一次\n308146\t309708\t可以給講的這個範圍那我們全體的檢察官還有這個相關的這個警告單位也是全力的投入這個查查會選那在假訊息的部分我們的六都的檢察署也都有成立這個假訊息的這個因應的中心有專責的主任假官來做負責\n323922\t339743\t那我們希望對於這個假訊息的時候我們要求就是說在很快的時間當中我們要確定它是不是假訊息假設是這個假訊息的情況之下就要事實的澄清那如果這個假訊息會涉嫌到涉嫌到相關的犯罪的時候我們的搜索檢察官我也會在第一時間迅速的查辦\n340695\t365078\t是 所以想請教的就是說昨天晚上我們大概傍晚的時間就很多媒體在詢問各個委員對這件事情的看法到昨天的晚上大概邢太昭總長就已經認定這是一個監聽的資料 境外勢力的認知作戰所為所以我只是想要確認我們現在剛剛講六都也有檢察署自己的指使\n365498\t385849\t的這個指揮系統然後這個整體上面應該也是檢察總長這邊會有所謂情資跟判案的一個回報系統所以這件事情到底在昨天你們之前已經知道了還是昨天同步時間然後你們很快的在三四個小時就可以認定這個就是境外勢力的認知作戰\n386509\t394536\t跟委員報告這個事情我們也是昨天知道的那昨天知道的第一時間的時候調查局跟最高檢這邊都有進行了解那其實最高檢也有發布新聞稿從這個他認為說這個是境外的伺服器把這個訊息投放到社群的網站而且裡面有一些簡體字還有新聞的紀念那甚至有一些指稱跟電話的國碼都是有一些異議的所以據此初步的最高檢察署跟這個調查局判斷這可能應該是認知作戰\n412990\t419625\t那最高檢也在第一時間責成這個台北地檢署分案來查處偵辦我們希望適時的可以釐清這整個事件\n420222\t443057\t也許這個做法出兆我們看出來的真實度很快可以辨明包括是所謂境外的伺服器所以你們很快地用這個做判準但是如果它做得微妙微笑甚至像之前2017年我們互證資料2300萬筆外洩的事情查證起來也比較困難沒有辦法很快地釐清所以我是希望我們今天在這裡因為\n445639\t468849\t主席也是我們司法相關專業的律師我是覺得這件事是不是可以請主席才是就是請調查局或者是法務部可以在兩週內給我們一個專案的報告就這件事情判斷的基準的速度性跟你們的專業度我們是支持的肯定但是這一次發言有五六個單位都出來發言到底SOP是什麼\n469309\t496877\t那最後像發生過再次的狀況整體上面國人的疑慮你們誰會是一個定於一尊的主責來對外說明不然你看國安局有這個調查局然後還有我們自己的這個最高檢等等還有刑事局那連我們委員幾乎各黨團的總召副總召都被問所以我覺得這需要一個更完整的SOP來讓我們也了解如何參與就是說防堵認知作戰的一個角色\n498698\t518088\t謝謝賴相林委員那我們就請法務部在兩個禮拜內就整起事件的調查的經過事實經過未來要怎麼因應可以做很詳細的調查書面報告用書面報告提供給本委員會立法院的可能就\n519128\t528174\t那他這邊有理法院的就是就參照了我參照了因為你一個月嘛OK 好 謝謝謝謝主席 謝謝委員\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席我想請教秘書長就是昨天我們在報端還有今天的這個報紙很多的頭版呢提到了這個選前關鍵時刻有發生類似一個境外勢力造假的一個所謂監聽的資訊外露那這事情我不曉得秘書長我們在立院你有沒有收到任何的情資或者是相關的通報來跟您說\n沒有這個事情沒有都沒有完全沒有那因為我們看報端裡面包括我們的副院長蔡其昌他的名字呢是在被監聽的名單上所以我們要了解看看那個委員那個\n也是今天早上那個王委員有提出這個我們也是完全不清楚我知道那個法務部調查局他們有說應該是假的但是我們也是想說不管是真假我們至少也在了解更清楚一些\n是這樣的 因為我在10月26號我們在司法委員會我也質詢過當時調查局我也給他稱讚就是說對於有一個所謂柯P的秘密會議的這個記錄裡面他的聲音聽起來很像是柯P柯文哲主席但事實上後來調查局他們見識之後說那個是假的是假的那我覺得我們的技術上面在這個身為影音部分已經很有這個\n這個進展也做得還不錯那當然我們大家也對於這一次大選到來會不會有所謂借選呢透過一些假的文件訊息特別是像這個深圍技術的部分那我在這裡就想要請教因為\n剛剛秘書長已經確認我們沒有收到任何的群職通報給我們立院那但是這一次在所謂的這個提供出來的所謂監聽所謂群職監聽這四個字當然我是括號的我說暫時用群職監聽這個來講好像包括了立院的一些委員政府的局處長甚至是這個\n一些縣市長都被當作一個設置一個假的訊息來向外界報料就是說這些人都被情治單位監聽所以這當然是一個很震驚的一個消息那很快的我們看到法務部長\n跟我們的刑事局、調查局、最高檢、廉政署、國安局都有出來講說這些是一個可能是錯的甚至就是說是一個認知作戰而且是境外勢力所致那我們看到這個2019年的時候就是我們這一屆的\n這個立院的跟總統大選的那個時刻2020年以前2019年左右這個法務部長蔡清祥他當時也就講過說政治爭訪是歷史名詞也就是說不能也不應該有所謂過去講的這種政治爭訪那但他們專業上面現在鎖定的是假訊息跟境外的至今那是在2019年當時要選舉那現在20241月也要選舉所以10至4年呢這整個的\n對於假訊息的作戰境外資金作戰跟境外勢力所謂借選與否應該是上升到認知作戰可能會混淆整個社會的秩序甚至對於很多的人跟人關係的信任度馬上就已經進到了一個比較風險跟威脅的情勢所以想請問我們法務部今天是有司長\n副司長是檢察司的副司長就這整件事情包括就你了解我們現在法務部在這個所謂打擊所謂假訊息跟境外資金或境外勢力甚至作戰部分你這個司或你對你的部裡面了解這次的做法你自己覺得有沒有什麼地方可以在精進的地方\n向委員報告就像淳如委員所提到的因為一應明年這個二合一的大選所以我們按照過去選舉的這個經驗我們知道說這個境外勢力的借選或者是假訊息一定會比以往更加的嚴重所以這一次我們班定的這個查會的工作綱領裡面我們把這個查緝境外勢力借選還有這個查緝假訊息的部分列為我們的三大強韌策略之一還有我們的重點工作\n那麼另外我們知道說要查緝這些假訊息或者是境外勢力竊選其實必須要靠有很廣泛的情資那我們才不會我們才不會就是說這個整個的掙扎能量被這個消耗所以我們認為檢舉的情資非常重要所以我們在8月22號的時候也修正發布新的鼓勵檢舉妨害選舉的這個獎金的這個要點所以我們把這個檢舉境外勢力竊選還有這個就是選舉賭盤的部分都納入在這一次\n可以給講的這個範圍那我們全體的檢察官還有這個相關的這個警告單位也是全力的投入這個查查會選那在假訊息的部分我們的六都的檢察署也都有成立這個假訊息的這個因應的中心有專責的主任假官來做負責\n那我們希望對於這個假訊息的時候我們要求就是說在很快的時間當中我們要確定它是不是假訊息假設是這個假訊息的情況之下就要事實的澄清那如果這個假訊息會涉嫌到涉嫌到相關的犯罪的時候我們的搜索檢察官我也會在第一時間迅速的查辦\n是 所以想請教的就是說昨天晚上我們大概傍晚的時間就很多媒體在詢問各個委員對這件事情的看法到昨天的晚上大概邢太昭總長就已經認定這是一個監聽的資料 境外勢力的認知作戰所為所以我只是想要確認我們現在剛剛講六都也有檢察署自己的指使\n的這個指揮系統然後這個整體上面應該也是檢察總長這邊會有所謂情資跟判案的一個回報系統所以這件事情到底在昨天你們之前已經知道了還是昨天同步時間然後你們很快的在三四個小時就可以認定這個就是境外勢力的認知作戰\n跟委員報告這個事情我們也是昨天知道的那昨天知道的第一時間的時候調查局跟最高檢這邊都有進行了解那其實最高檢也有發布新聞稿從這個他認為說這個是境外的伺服器把這個訊息投放到社群的網站而且裡面有一些簡體字還有新聞的紀念那甚至有一些指稱跟電話的國碼都是有一些異議的所以據此初步的最高檢察署跟這個調查局判斷這可能應該是認知作戰\n那最高檢也在第一時間責成這個台北地檢署分案來查處偵辦我們希望適時的可以釐清這整個事件\n也許這個做法出兆我們看出來的真實度很快可以辨明包括是所謂境外的伺服器所以你們很快地用這個做判準但是如果它做得微妙微笑甚至像之前2017年我們互證資料2300萬筆外洩的事情查證起來也比較困難沒有辦法很快地釐清所以我是希望我們今天在這裡因為\n主席也是我們司法相關專業的律師我是覺得這件事是不是可以請主席才是就是請調查局或者是法務部可以在兩週內給我們一個專案的報告就這件事情判斷的基準的速度性跟你們的專業度我們是支持的肯定但是這一次發言有五六個單位都出來發言到底SOP是什麼\n那最後像發生過再次的狀況整體上面國人的疑慮你們誰會是一個定於一尊的主責來對外說明不然你看國安局有這個調查局然後還有我們自己的這個最高檢等等還有刑事局那連我們委員幾乎各黨團的總召副總召都被問所以我覺得這需要一個更完整的SOP來讓我們也了解如何參與就是說防堵認知作戰的一個角色\n謝謝賴相林委員那我們就請法務部在兩個禮拜內就整起事件的調查的經過事實經過未來要怎麼因應可以做很詳細的調查書面報告用書面報告提供給本委員會立法院的可能就\n那他這邊有理法院的就是就參照了我參照了因為你一個月嘛OK 好 謝謝謝謝主席 謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.931 --> 00:29.611\n好謝謝主席我想請教秘書長就是昨天我們在報端還有今天的這個報紙很多的頭版呢提到了這個選前關鍵時刻有發生類似一個境外勢力造假的一個所謂監聽的資訊外露那這事情我不曉得秘書長我們在立院你有沒有收到任何的情資或者是相關的通報來跟您說\n\n00:31.193 --> 00:44.904\n沒有這個事情沒有都沒有完全沒有那因為我們看報端裡面包括我們的副院長蔡其昌他的名字呢是在被監聽的名單上所以我們要了解看看那個委員那個\n\n00:45.973 --> 01:09.408\n也是今天早上那個王委員有提出這個我們也是完全不清楚我知道那個法務部調查局他們有說應該是假的但是我們也是想說不管是真假我們至少也在了解更清楚一些\n\n01:10.512 --> 01:36.809\n是這樣的因為我在10月26號我們在司法委員會我也質詢過當時調查局我也給他稱讚就是說對於有一個所謂柯P的秘密會議的這個記錄裡面他的聲音聽起來很像是柯P柯文哲主席但事實上後來調查局他們見識之後說那個是假的是假的那我覺得我們的技術上面在這個身為影音部分已經很有這個\n\n01:38.751 --> 01:53.032\n這個進展也做得還不錯那當然我們大家也對於這一次大選到來會不會有所謂借選呢透過一些假的文件訊息特別是像這個深圍技術的部分那我在這裡就想要請教因為\n\n01:54.413 --> 02:17.696\n剛剛秘書長已經確認我們沒有收到任何的群職通報給我們立院那但是這一次在所謂的這個提供出來的所謂監聽所謂群職監聽這四個字當然我是括號的我說暫時用群職監聽這個來講好像包括了立院的一些委員政府的局處長甚至是這個\n\n02:19.181 --> 02:35.210\n一些縣市長都被當作一個設置一個假的訊息來向外界報料就是說這些人都被情治單位監聽所以這當然是一個很震驚的一個消息那很快的我們看到法務部長\n\n02:36.704 --> 02:54.930\n跟我們的刑事局、調查局、最高檢、廉政署、國安局都有出來講說這些是一個可能是錯的甚至就是說是一個認知作戰而且是境外勢力所致那我們看到這個2019年的時候就是我們這一屆的\n\n02:57.718 --> 03:20.873\n這個立院的跟總統大選的那個時刻2020年以前2019年左右這個法務部長蔡清祥他當時也就講過說政治爭訪是歷史名詞也就是說不能也不應該有所謂過去講的這種政治爭訪那但他們專業上面現在鎖定的是假訊息跟境外的至今那是在2019年當時要選舉那現在20241月也要選舉所以10至4年呢這整個的\n\n03:27.637 --> 03:52.882\n對於假訊息的作戰境外資金作戰跟境外勢力所謂借選與否應該是上升到認知作戰可能會混淆整個社會的秩序甚至對於很多的人跟人關係的信任度馬上就已經進到了一個比較風險跟威脅的情勢所以想請問我們法務部今天是有司長\n\n03:54.744 --> 04:17.214\n副司長是檢察司的副司長就這整件事情包括就你了解我們現在法務部在這個所謂打擊所謂假訊息跟境外資金或境外勢力甚至作戰部分你這個司或你對你的部裡面了解這次的做法你自己覺得有沒有什麼地方可以在精進的地方\n\n04:17.965 --> 04:26.734\n向委員報告就像淳如委員所提到的因為一應明年這個二合一的大選所以我們按照過去選舉的這個經驗我們知道說這個境外勢力的借選或者是假訊息一定會比以往更加的嚴重所以這一次我們班定的這個查會的工作綱領裡面我們把這個查緝境外勢力借選還有這個查緝假訊息的部分列為我們的三大強韌策略之一還有我們的重點工作\n\n04:41.067 --> 04:45.390\n那麼另外我們知道說要查緝這些假訊息或者是境外勢力竊選其實必須要靠有很廣泛的情資那我們才不會我們才不會就是說這個整個的掙扎能量被這個消耗所以我們認為檢舉的情資非常重要所以我們在8月22號的時候也修正發布新的鼓勵檢舉妨害選舉的這個獎金的這個要點所以我們把這個檢舉境外勢力竊選還有這個就是選舉賭盤的部分都納入在這一次\n\n05:08.146 --> 05:09.708\n可以給講的這個範圍那我們全體的檢察官還有這個相關的這個警告單位也是全力的投入這個查查會選那在假訊息的部分我們的六都的檢察署也都有成立這個假訊息的這個因應的中心有專責的主任假官來做負責\n\n05:23.922 --> 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