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00:00:03,161\n謝謝主席請內政部林部長有請林部長\n\n2\n00:00:12,361 --> 00:00:33,094\n這個我們上次在這個徐國勇部長任內的時候本席爭取了一個亮點計畫就是金門的亮點計畫11億那當初的這個內容是做金門環島自行車道路網系統還有泰湖山的林間步道系統還有一個參與參與型的戰爭體驗計畫這個部分在112年到115年間\n\n3\n00:00:38,317 --> 00:01:00,984\n那我們看到後來這個原來建制金門環島自行車道路系統的計畫這個是不是有變更要轉為改善六一道路還有金湖鎮的中正公園大小太湖的這個周邊道路那個委員所提的這個是否有變更我我並不清楚這一個訊息你不瞭解齁好我下一頁你看一下\n\n4\n00:01:02,766 --> 00:01:22,343\n這個是你們內政部發的這個函啦就是事實上是因為我們金門縣政府有提出啦相關的這個變更原來我們是要做自行車的這個相關的這個全島的自行車系統那現在我們後來這是因為上一任徐國勇部長任內然後也是那時候上一任縣長任內提出來的\n\n5\n00:01:24,524 --> 00:01:39,952\n選舉所以這個政黨輪替我們那邊就變民眾黨執政那現在我們現在新任縣長他就說要把這個改成這個相關其他的這個計畫那所以內政部現在是同意嗎目前\n\n6\n00:01:52,578 --> 00:02:14,177\n目前縣政府他們是在做這個規劃跟設計他們預計是在明年113年的時候才要向國土署來做提報所以已經變更了那我的看法是說當然就是說我也覺得自行車計畫是很重要但是因為這是我們地方政府提出來我當然也是支持就是說既然縣長有他的這個想法那這個亮點計畫雖然是那時候我們在\n\n7\n00:02:18,380 --> 00:02:38,970\n徐國勇部長認爲他還到時候到我們金門考察他當場跟我們承諾給我們這個十億十一億的這個預算那我們也希望錢用在刀口上因為對金門整體發展的話還是有幫助的所以也請認證要多支持的不管縣政府提出哪一樣的計劃反正是用在我們金門縣那還有一點部長有沒有去過烏丘\n\n8\n00:02:41,170 --> 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請內政部林部長有請林部長\n這個我們上次在這個徐國勇部長任內的時候本席爭取了一個亮點計畫就是金門的亮點計畫11億那當初的這個內容是做金門環島自行車道路網系統還有泰湖山的林間步道系統還有一個參與參與型的戰爭體驗計畫這個部分在112年到115年間\n那我們看到後來這個原來建制金門環島自行車道路系統的計畫這個是不是有變更要轉為改善六一道路還有金湖鎮的中正公園大小太湖的這個周邊道路那個委員所提的這個是否有變更我我並不清楚這一個訊息你不瞭解齁好我下一頁你看一下\n這個是你們內政部發的這個函啦就是事實上是因為我們金門縣政府有提出啦相關的這個變更原來我們是要做自行車的這個相關的這個全島的自行車系統那現在我們後來這是因為上一任徐國勇部長任內然後也是那時候上一任縣長任內提出來的\n選舉所以這個政黨輪替我們那邊就變民眾黨執政那現在我們現在新任縣長他就說要把這個改成這個相關其他的這個計畫那所以內政部現在是同意嗎目前\n目前縣政府他們是在做這個規劃跟設計他們預計是在明年113年的時候才要向國土署來做提報所以已經變更了那我的看法是說當然就是說我也覺得自行車計畫是很重要但是因為這是我們地方政府提出來我當然也是支持就是說既然縣長有他的這個想法那這個亮點計畫雖然是那時候我們在\n徐國勇部長認爲他還到時候到我們金門考察他當場跟我們承諾給我們這個十億十一億的這個預算那我們也希望錢用在刀口上因為對金門整體發展的話還是有幫助的所以也請認證要多支持的不管縣政府提出哪一樣的計劃反正是用在我們金門縣那還有一點部長有沒有去過烏丘\n烏丘我沒有去過烏丘是屬於我們金門縣的一個鄉是 我也蠻想去的蠻想去 那也許我們明年如果還有機會今年因為已經接近選舉也比較沒有空但是烏丘非常的不方便出入交通非常不方便如果船的話15天才有一班15天一班一去的話因為碼頭建設又不夠好所以船沒有辦法停很久你去停留一下就要走\n那如果要返鄉探親 很多人都相信住在台中要返鄉探親的話 沒有辦法停留那搬船一停就要停15天 也不可能那島上的民生的這個需求還是有比如說 島上沒有民生用水\n很難想像 島上沒有民生用水很難想像 現在島上大部分都是阿兵哥 有兩百多位其實面積很小一點多平方公里 不應該因為他的面積小或是偏遠政府就忽略照顧這個民生 這是民生基本需求那現在島上也沒有水\n沒有民生用水那現在都是發那個礦泉水我是大概唯一一個在我們金門現在可能所有的真正的我唯一在上面住過在上面住過一個星期啦那所以這個部分的話\n我們金門縣是屬於我們金門縣的鄉鎮但是事實上也是屬於內鎮部所以島上基本這種民生需求比如說簡易的現在當然國防部的官兵比較多簡易的這種海水淡化有那種很簡易的價錢也不貴的這一類的東西應該替我們烏丘鄉民來考慮\n這個有沒有問題委員這個是不是容我們回去研究一下是 你們整個研究一下這個島上之所以第一個交通不放交通部門現在已經要做碼頭這個因為內政部沒有在內我等一下問 請海巡署上來對 這是海巡署因為上來海巡署也有編列相關但是民生基本需求應該是屬於內政部所以這個回去也幫我們關系一下我們研究一下不應該因為他偏遠他就減少他這樣的民生需求\n是因為烏丘基本上是都是軍事管制的區域那個一般的民眾是很少所以其實我也蠻想去看一下那個島上的狀況不然如果選舉過後我們找個時間鬼啊還有時間嗎1月13選舉2月1號中間不然就找個時間真的當作第一位踏上烏丘島的內政部長幫我們真的了解當地那個需求真的真的好嗎是如果有機會的話好好謝謝部長那個\n海巡署 這個烏丘海委會 海巡署的烏丘整建碼頭在108年的4月26日我們金門有開一個首長聯席會報那時候張景生政委有裁示國安部會會長金門現在還海巡署統一需求那後面沒有具體進度那我之前有在緊盯國安部海軍事務部告訴我他完成了可行性的評估報告然後規劃編列11億多 11億6500多萬然後其中有\n總共20億國防部編列11億海巡署要編列6億金門縣要編列1億6千多萬因為剛剛我提過那個碼頭因為沒有碼頭所以那個署長應該就去過了吧你去過了嘛你看那個碼頭沒有辦法靠船嘛所以交通極為不便15天一班船返鄉都沒有辦法停留超過一個小時大概兩個小時您知道吧\n海巡的船就有常去 也有時候要接駁 非常不方便所以這個碼頭事實上是非常重要 非常基本包括對上面的官兵來講也很重要那國安部已經完成可行性評估報告了國安部也編列10億多 裡面說海巡署編列6億多我們今天會編列1億多啦 這個111年到116年請問這個海巡大概預計什麼時候開始幫我們編列 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