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00:01:25,239\n部長請教啊那在南沙跟東沙會不會發生類似的問題啊\n\n6\n00:01:26,847 --> 00:01:54,446\n我想我們的法律規定其實都很清楚只要是我國所屬的一個領海還有這個經濟的一個海域的話我們都相關國軍還有包括海巡署都是依相關的一個規定來做處置當然這個部分當然要請內政部當然包含海委會海巡這邊來研究怎麼樣來確保我們的漁民跟科研船在這邊的合法權益這個部分內政部可以努力去做嗎\n\n7\n00:01:56,910 --> 00:02:05,165\n我們不是海研單位,也不是海巡署不過就法的部分,我想我們會做這樣的一個主張\n\n8\n00:02:06,274 --> 00:02:32,172\n好了解來部長再請教一下這個我們相關的這次修法針對槍砲彈藥刀械管制條例將不法模擬槍提升到刑法的規範將子彈零件列入行政法增訂公共場所開槍等開槍罪等本席是肯定這樣子的一個修法方向是正確但是這個條例第18條第4項後段\n\n9\n00:02:34,554 --> 00:02:45,260\n拒絕公訴或公訴不實者得加重期刑至三分之一並沒有刪除其實這個部分是有一些爭議的部長你知道哪裡有爭議嗎\n\n10\n00:02:49,878 --> 00:03:15,444\n南希部長據本席的了解沒有法官會把這個條文予以適用過本席認為這個條文違反了刑法不自證己罪的原則非常的明顯所以有違憲的一個疑慮那當然也關中關我們所有的法律並沒有這樣子一個規定所以這個條文是不是要去思考怎麼樣來修正\n\n11\n00:03:16,064 --> 00:03:37,472\n目前業者進口低動能的槍枝銷售內政部檢驗署是依據低動能槍枝輸入審查要點來與准駁但是該要點依據是貿易法第11條第一項的但書基於因為國際的條約或基於國防治安得與限制但是這個法律的主管機關是經濟部\n\n12\n00:03:39,933 --> 00:04:00,148\n所以這個相關的要點公佈跟準博的權限都不是警政署那警政署卻自己把它訂定這個規範然後來予以批准或者駁回不然你覺得這樣可以嗎主管機關是經濟部喔但是卻由警政署來批准這不是很怪嗎\n\n13\n00:04:01,650 --> 00:04:20,031\n跟委員報告兩個部分第一個是委員剛剛提到的那個前一題我想如果立法院審議的話並且經相關學者專家大家有共識有修正的一個必要的話我們本部會予以尊重好那這個部分大家也請內政部委帶回去研究一下\n\n14\n00:04:20,472 --> 00:04:32,823\n好不好那當然另外一部分就是我剛剛講到的這一個部分就是所謂低動能槍支的銷售那現在警政署來予以準博所以這部分我請署長來做說明好是吧\n\n15\n00:04:35,734 --> 00:04:57,423\n我們低動能槍枝的一個審查是根據貿易法第11條的規定來辦理我們從去年的9月份開始實施到現在大概都很順利業者部分也能遵守審核的規定來辦理\n\n16\n00:04:59,505 --> 00:05:11,884\n雖然主責是國貿局經濟部的國貿署來辦理但是因為基於治安為由這個邊境的一個審查還由我們警政署來辦理是這樣子的運作\n\n17\n00:05:16,931 --> 00:05:40,726\n我們這次草案甄列第五條第三條款政府為審認槍炮條例的爭議聆聘相關的組織機構專家學者來成立的爭議小組但這個新增的條文是源自於修法管理模擬槍時候建立的模擬槍審議委員會的法制化\n\n18\n00:05:41,647 --> 00:05:48,770\n那這個最初當然是玩具槍協會的建議但是部長這個模擬槍審議委員會轉型成為槍炮彈藥審議委員會\n\n19\n00:05:54,101 --> 00:06:19,869\n這會不會在這個功能上其實是有所區別因為基本上模擬槍跟所謂的槍炮彈藥其實還是有差距的啦所以在這個部分當然也有業者反應就是說很多當然參加會議的專家的政府單位像經濟部或他們完全不了解槍炮的專業知識那所謂的專家學者當然有一些是我們警大的或相關單位的教授\n\n20\n00:06:20,609 --> 00:06:43,164\n所以在這個部分是不是請部長跟這個也要帶回去去思考怎麼樣來做一個修正跟加強因為畢竟當然在這個槍枝的部分槍械彈藥的部分這個經濟部也沒有所謂的專業的功能所以如何來強化這個部分請內政部來思考可以嗎\n\n21\n00:06:45,669 --> 00:07:06,694\n跟我們報告我想這個會奠定一個辦法組成的一個辦法那到時候組成辦法裡面組成的這個專家學者還有機關單位代表我們會審慎來組成這個建議說就是基本上假如要開類似相關的會議恐怕要把內容先提供給大家因為畢竟這個實在太專業\n\n22\n00:07:07,614 --> 00:07:21,693\n那你請來人但是來現場再看資料他恐怕非常的困難另外本席也再提出來一個草案的20條之一有規定模擬槍的管理但是為了避免我們國內的廠商將專門外銷的模擬槍偷偷賣到\n\n23\n00:07:25,598 --> 00:07:52,512\n台灣內部啊那第20條之3修正條文是由原本的警察機關得進入廠商處所進行來行政的檢查但應該會同中央目的主管事業機關也就是經濟部一起來做但這一次呢我們把它改成必要時會同事業主管機關那意思就是很簡單就是我們警察機關可以直接進去\n\n24\n00:07:53,252 --> 00:08:18,379\n那主管機關的經濟部就必要時再說那這個部分會不會讓我們的警察機關的權利擴張因為畢竟不然您再聽一下玩具槍管理規則被在民國91年司法院釋憲570號的釋憲文裡面宣告為違憲那他理由是人民自由跟權利的限制依據憲法第二三條規定要法律定之\n\n25\n00:08:19,139 --> 00:08:48,368\n那在這裡面授權的目的內容範圍要明確使得據已發布命令所以這個部分就是說將這個玩具槍納入所謂的限制輸入貨品表裡面算是政府繞過法律自行擴權的一小步那現在當然我們修法通過的話那把經濟部這些相關的單位量到一邊去其實這個部分當然也供內政部警政署來思考一下恰不恰當\n\n26\n00:08:48,888 --> 00:08:58,308\n所以在這個部分這個本期今天提出來一些修法相關的建議或者想法這個請那邊部跟檢驗署好好商量好不好\n\n27\n00:08:58,902 --> 00:09:24,472\n好謝謝委員提醒我想我們希望這個法案的一個修正能夠更加的一個這個完整跟圓滿因為這個槍炮彈藥的這些管制的這些標的它都不是一般的這些商品所以我想大家也有這個共識跟我們的治安有關係那委員剛剛提的那一點我想我們原則上我們\n\n28\n00:09:27,273 --> 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布朗早\n10885\t30246\t我們中華民國專屬經濟海域跟大陸交成法第二條第一項規定中華民國的專屬經濟海域為臨接臨海外側至距離臨海基線兩百里間的一個海域但是我們之前的我們的海洋研究船新海岩一號\n32088\t53995\t那經過跨部會的審議通過7月在海巡署吉安艦的介護下在沖繩的東北部我們的專屬經濟海域進行研究卻被日本的海上保安廳以從事未經同意的調查活動理由驅逐請問這樣子也算是台日友好嗎政府有沒有抗議呢\n56045\t78000\t我想那個地方這個是我們主張的一個領域但是它也是一個台日重疊的一個海域所以我們當然會依法維護我們的權益所以是尊重獄方來驅逐嗎是這個意思嗎我們當然也會表述我們的一個主張那當然在這部分來\n81149\t85239\t部長請教啊那在南沙跟東沙會不會發生類似的問題啊\n86847\t114446\t我想我們的法律規定其實都很清楚只要是我國所屬的一個領海還有這個經濟的一個海域的話我們都相關國軍還有包括海巡署都是依相關的一個規定來做處置當然這個部分當然要請內政部當然包含海委會海巡這邊來研究怎麼樣來確保我們的漁民跟科研船在這邊的合法權益這個部分內政部可以努力去做嗎\n116910\t125165\t我們不是海研單位,也不是海巡署不過就法的部分,我想我們會做這樣的一個主張\n126274\t152172\t好了解來部長再請教一下這個我們相關的這次修法針對槍砲彈藥刀械管制條例將不法模擬槍提升到刑法的規範將子彈零件列入行政法增訂公共場所開槍等開槍罪等本席是肯定這樣子的一個修法方向是正確但是這個條例第18條第4項後段\n154554\t165260\t拒絕公訴或公訴不實者得加重期刑至三分之一並沒有刪除其實這個部分是有一些爭議的部長你知道哪裡有爭議嗎\n169878\t195444\t南希部長據本席的了解沒有法官會把這個條文予以適用過本席認為這個條文違反了刑法不自證己罪的原則非常的明顯所以有違憲的一個疑慮那當然也關中關我們所有的法律並沒有這樣子一個規定所以這個條文是不是要去思考怎麼樣來修正\n196064\t217472\t目前業者進口低動能的槍枝銷售內政部檢驗署是依據低動能槍枝輸入審查要點來與准駁但是該要點依據是貿易法第11條第一項的但書基於因為國際的條約或基於國防治安得與限制但是這個法律的主管機關是經濟部\n219933\t240148\t所以這個相關的要點公佈跟準博的權限都不是警政署那警政署卻自己把它訂定這個規範然後來予以批准或者駁回不然你覺得這樣可以嗎主管機關是經濟部喔但是卻由警政署來批准這不是很怪嗎\n241650\t260031\t跟委員報告兩個部分第一個是委員剛剛提到的那個前一題我想如果立法院審議的話並且經相關學者專家大家有共識有修正的一個必要的話我們本部會予以尊重好那這個部分大家也請內政部委帶回去研究一下\n260472\t272823\t好不好那當然另外一部分就是我剛剛講到的這一個部分就是所謂低動能槍支的銷售那現在警政署來予以準博所以這部分我請署長來做說明好 是吧\n275734\t297423\t我們低動能槍枝的一個審查是根據貿易法第11條的規定來辦理我們從去年的9月份開始實施到現在大概都很順利業者部分也能遵守審核的規定來辦理\n299505\t311884\t雖然主責是國貿局經濟部的國貿署來辦理但是因為基於治安為由這個邊境的一個審查還由我們警政署來辦理是這樣子的運作\n316931\t340726\t我們這次草案甄列第五條第三條款政府為審認槍炮條例的爭議聆聘相關的組織機構專家學者來成立的爭議小組但這個新增的條文是源自於修法管理模擬槍時候建立的模擬槍審議委員會的法制化\n341647\t348770\t那這個最初當然是玩具槍協會的建議但是部長這個模擬槍審議委員會轉型成為槍炮彈藥審議委員會\n354101\t379869\t這會不會在這個功能上其實是有所區別因為基本上模擬槍跟所謂的槍炮彈藥其實還是有差距的啦所以在這個部分當然也有業者反應就是說很多當然參加會議的專家的政府單位像經濟部或他們完全不了解槍炮的專業知識那所謂的專家學者當然有一些是我們警大的或相關單位的教授\n380609\t403164\t所以在這個部分是不是請部長跟這個也要帶回去去思考怎麼樣來做一個修正跟加強因為畢竟當然在這個槍枝的部分槍械彈藥的部分這個經濟部也沒有所謂的專業的功能所以如何來強化這個部分請內政部來思考可以嗎\n405669\t426694\t跟我們報告我想這個會奠定一個辦法組成的一個辦法那到時候組成辦法裡面組成的這個專家學者還有機關單位代表我們會審慎來組成這個建議說就是基本上假如要開類似相關的會議恐怕要把內容先提供給大家因為畢竟這個實在太專業\n427614\t441693\t那你請來人但是來現場再看資料他恐怕非常的困難另外本席也再提出來一個草案的20條之一有規定模擬槍的管理但是為了避免我們國內的廠商將專門外銷的模擬槍偷偷賣到\n445598\t472512\t台灣內部啊那第20條之3修正條文是由原本的警察機關得進入廠商處所進行來行政的檢查但應該會同中央目的主管事業機關也就是經濟部一起來做但這一次呢我們把它改成必要時會同事業主管機關那意思就是很簡單就是我們警察機關可以直接進去\n473252\t498379\t那主管機關的經濟部就必要時再說那這個部分會不會讓我們的警察機關的權利擴張因為畢竟不然您再聽一下玩具槍管理規則被在民國91年司法院釋憲570號的釋憲文裡面宣告為違憲那他理由是人民自由跟權利的限制依據憲法第二三條規定要法律定之\n499139\t528368\t那在這裡面授權的目的內容範圍要明確使得據已發布命令所以這個部分就是說將這個玩具槍納入所謂的限制輸入貨品表裡面算是政府繞過法律自行擴權的一小步那現在當然我們修法通過的話那把經濟部這些相關的單位量到一邊去其實這個部分當然也供內政部警政署來思考一下恰不恰當\n528888\t538308\t所以在這個部分這個本期今天提出來一些修法相關的建議或者想法這個請那邊部跟檢驗署好好商量好不好\n538902\t564472\t好謝謝委員提醒我想我們希望這個法案的一個修正能夠更加的一個這個完整跟圓滿因為這個槍炮彈藥的這些管制的這些標的它都不是一般的這些商品所以我想大家也有這個共識跟我們的治安有關係那委員剛剛提的那一點我想我們原則上我們\n567273\t580255\t是我們會尊重那個大會的一個審議喔是那你剛剛提到的市首那個要加那個必要性三個字這個我們會尊重好了解好謝謝部長謝謝市長謝謝主席謝謝\n","txt":"是 布朗早\n我們中華民國專屬經濟海域跟大陸交成法第二條第一項規定中華民國的專屬經濟海域為臨接臨海外側至距離臨海基線兩百里間的一個海域但是我們之前的我們的海洋研究船新海岩一號\n那經過跨部會的審議通過7月在海巡署吉安艦的介護下在沖繩的東北部我們的專屬經濟海域進行研究卻被日本的海上保安廳以從事未經同意的調查活動理由驅逐請問這樣子也算是台日友好嗎政府有沒有抗議呢\n我想那個地方這個是我們主張的一個領域但是它也是一個台日重疊的一個海域所以我們當然會依法維護我們的權益所以是尊重獄方來驅逐嗎是這個意思嗎我們當然也會表述我們的一個主張那當然在這部分來\n部長請教啊那在南沙跟東沙會不會發生類似的問題啊\n我想我們的法律規定其實都很清楚只要是我國所屬的一個領海還有這個經濟的一個海域的話我們都相關國軍還有包括海巡署都是依相關的一個規定來做處置當然這個部分當然要請內政部當然包含海委會海巡這邊來研究怎麼樣來確保我們的漁民跟科研船在這邊的合法權益這個部分內政部可以努力去做嗎\n我們不是海研單位,也不是海巡署不過就法的部分,我想我們會做這樣的一個主張\n好了解來部長再請教一下這個我們相關的這次修法針對槍砲彈藥刀械管制條例將不法模擬槍提升到刑法的規範將子彈零件列入行政法增訂公共場所開槍等開槍罪等本席是肯定這樣子的一個修法方向是正確但是這個條例第18條第4項後段\n拒絕公訴或公訴不實者得加重期刑至三分之一並沒有刪除其實這個部分是有一些爭議的部長你知道哪裡有爭議嗎\n南希部長據本席的了解沒有法官會把這個條文予以適用過本席認為這個條文違反了刑法不自證己罪的原則非常的明顯所以有違憲的一個疑慮那當然也關中關我們所有的法律並沒有這樣子一個規定所以這個條文是不是要去思考怎麼樣來修正\n目前業者進口低動能的槍枝銷售內政部檢驗署是依據低動能槍枝輸入審查要點來與准駁但是該要點依據是貿易法第11條第一項的但書基於因為國際的條約或基於國防治安得與限制但是這個法律的主管機關是經濟部\n所以這個相關的要點公佈跟準博的權限都不是警政署那警政署卻自己把它訂定這個規範然後來予以批准或者駁回不然你覺得這樣可以嗎主管機關是經濟部喔但是卻由警政署來批准這不是很怪嗎\n跟委員報告兩個部分第一個是委員剛剛提到的那個前一題我想如果立法院審議的話並且經相關學者專家大家有共識有修正的一個必要的話我們本部會予以尊重好那這個部分大家也請內政部委帶回去研究一下\n好不好那當然另外一部分就是我剛剛講到的這一個部分就是所謂低動能槍支的銷售那現在警政署來予以準博所以這部分我請署長來做說明好 是吧\n我們低動能槍枝的一個審查是根據貿易法第11條的規定來辦理我們從去年的9月份開始實施到現在大概都很順利業者部分也能遵守審核的規定來辦理\n雖然主責是國貿局經濟部的國貿署來辦理但是因為基於治安為由這個邊境的一個審查還由我們警政署來辦理是這樣子的運作\n我們這次草案甄列第五條第三條款政府為審認槍炮條例的爭議聆聘相關的組織機構專家學者來成立的爭議小組但這個新增的條文是源自於修法管理模擬槍時候建立的模擬槍審議委員會的法制化\n那這個最初當然是玩具槍協會的建議但是部長這個模擬槍審議委員會轉型成為槍炮彈藥審議委員會\n這會不會在這個功能上其實是有所區別因為基本上模擬槍跟所謂的槍炮彈藥其實還是有差距的啦所以在這個部分當然也有業者反應就是說很多當然參加會議的專家的政府單位像經濟部或他們完全不了解槍炮的專業知識那所謂的專家學者當然有一些是我們警大的或相關單位的教授\n所以在這個部分是不是請部長跟這個也要帶回去去思考怎麼樣來做一個修正跟加強因為畢竟當然在這個槍枝的部分槍械彈藥的部分這個經濟部也沒有所謂的專業的功能所以如何來強化這個部分請內政部來思考可以嗎\n跟我們報告我想這個會奠定一個辦法組成的一個辦法那到時候組成辦法裡面組成的這個專家學者還有機關單位代表我們會審慎來組成這個建議說就是基本上假如要開類似相關的會議恐怕要把內容先提供給大家因為畢竟這個實在太專業\n那你請來人但是來現場再看資料他恐怕非常的困難另外本席也再提出來一個草案的20條之一有規定模擬槍的管理但是為了避免我們國內的廠商將專門外銷的模擬槍偷偷賣到\n台灣內部啊那第20條之3修正條文是由原本的警察機關得進入廠商處所進行來行政的檢查但應該會同中央目的主管事業機關也就是經濟部一起來做但這一次呢我們把它改成必要時會同事業主管機關那意思就是很簡單就是我們警察機關可以直接進去\n那主管機關的經濟部就必要時再說那這個部分會不會讓我們的警察機關的權利擴張因為畢竟不然您再聽一下玩具槍管理規則被在民國91年司法院釋憲570號的釋憲文裡面宣告為違憲那他理由是人民自由跟權利的限制依據憲法第二三條規定要法律定之\n那在這裡面授權的目的內容範圍要明確使得據已發布命令所以這個部分就是說將這個玩具槍納入所謂的限制輸入貨品表裡面算是政府繞過法律自行擴權的一小步那現在當然我們修法通過的話那把經濟部這些相關的單位量到一邊去其實這個部分當然也供內政部警政署來思考一下恰不恰當\n所以在這個部分這個本期今天提出來一些修法相關的建議或者想法這個請那邊部跟檢驗署好好商量好不好\n好謝謝委員提醒我想我們希望這個法案的一個修正能夠更加的一個這個完整跟圓滿因為這個槍炮彈藥的這些管制的這些標的它都不是一般的這些商品所以我想大家也有這個共識跟我們的治安有關係那委員剛剛提的那一點我想我們原則上我們\n是我們會尊重那個大會的一個審議喔是那你剛剛提到的市首那個要加那個必要性三個字這個我們會尊重好了解好謝謝部長謝謝市長謝謝主席謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.249 --> 00:00.850\n是布朗早\n\n00:10.885 --> 00:30.246\n我們中華民國專屬經濟海域跟大陸交成法第二條第一項規定中華民國的專屬經濟海域為臨接臨海外側至距離臨海基線兩百里間的一個海域但是我們之前的我們的海洋研究船新海岩一號\n\n00:32.088 --> 00:53.995\n那經過跨部會的審議通過7月在海巡署吉安艦的介護下在沖繩的東北部我們的專屬經濟海域進行研究卻被日本的海上保安廳以從事未經同意的調查活動理由驅逐請問這樣子也算是台日友好嗎政府有沒有抗議呢\n\n00:56.045 --> 01:18.000\n我想那個地方這個是我們主張的一個領域但是它也是一個台日重疊的一個海域所以我們當然會依法維護我們的權益所以是尊重獄方來驅逐嗎是這個意思嗎我們當然也會表述我們的一個主張那當然在這部分來\n\n01:21.149 --> 01:25.239\n部長請教啊那在南沙跟東沙會不會發生類似的問題啊\n\n01:26.847 --> 01:54.446\n我想我們的法律規定其實都很清楚只要是我國所屬的一個領海還有這個經濟的一個海域的話我們都相關國軍還有包括海巡署都是依相關的一個規定來做處置當然這個部分當然要請內政部當然包含海委會海巡這邊來研究怎麼樣來確保我們的漁民跟科研船在這邊的合法權益這個部分內政部可以努力去做嗎\n\n01:56.910 --> 02:05.165\n我們不是海研單位,也不是海巡署不過就法的部分,我想我們會做這樣的一個主張\n\n02:06.274 --> 02:32.172\n好了解來部長再請教一下這個我們相關的這次修法針對槍砲彈藥刀械管制條例將不法模擬槍提升到刑法的規範將子彈零件列入行政法增訂公共場所開槍等開槍罪等本席是肯定這樣子的一個修法方向是正確但是這個條例第18條第4項後段\n\n02:34.554 --> 02:45.260\n拒絕公訴或公訴不實者得加重期刑至三分之一並沒有刪除其實這個部分是有一些爭議的部長你知道哪裡有爭議嗎\n\n02:49.878 --> 03:15.444\n南希部長據本席的了解沒有法官會把這個條文予以適用過本席認為這個條文違反了刑法不自證己罪的原則非常的明顯所以有違憲的一個疑慮那當然也關中關我們所有的法律並沒有這樣子一個規定所以這個條文是不是要去思考怎麼樣來修正\n\n03:16.064 --> 03:37.472\n目前業者進口低動能的槍枝銷售內政部檢驗署是依據低動能槍枝輸入審查要點來與准駁但是該要點依據是貿易法第11條第一項的但書基於因為國際的條約或基於國防治安得與限制但是這個法律的主管機關是經濟部\n\n03:39.933 --> 04:00.148\n所以這個相關的要點公佈跟準博的權限都不是警政署那警政署卻自己把它訂定這個規範然後來予以批准或者駁回不然你覺得這樣可以嗎主管機關是經濟部喔但是卻由警政署來批准這不是很怪嗎\n\n04:01.650 --> 04:20.031\n跟委員報告兩個部分第一個是委員剛剛提到的那個前一題我想如果立法院審議的話並且經相關學者專家大家有共識有修正的一個必要的話我們本部會予以尊重好那這個部分大家也請內政部委帶回去研究一下\n\n04:20.472 --> 04:32.823\n好不好那當然另外一部分就是我剛剛講到的這一個部分就是所謂低動能槍支的銷售那現在警政署來予以準博所以這部分我請署長來做說明好是吧\n\n04:35.734 --> 04:57.423\n我們低動能槍枝的一個審查是根據貿易法第11條的規定來辦理我們從去年的9月份開始實施到現在大概都很順利業者部分也能遵守審核的規定來辦理\n\n04:59.505 --> 05:11.884\n雖然主責是國貿局經濟部的國貿署來辦理但是因為基於治安為由這個邊境的一個審查還由我們警政署來辦理是這樣子的運作\n\n05:16.931 --> 05:40.726\n我們這次草案甄列第五條第三條款政府為審認槍炮條例的爭議聆聘相關的組織機構專家學者來成立的爭議小組但這個新增的條文是源自於修法管理模擬槍時候建立的模擬槍審議委員會的法制化\n\n05:41.647 --> 05:48.770\n那這個最初當然是玩具槍協會的建議但是部長這個模擬槍審議委員會轉型成為槍炮彈藥審議委員會\n\n05:54.101 --> 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