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00:02:43,318\n日本的前首相安倍晉三講的話我特別其實我心裡頭一直會覺得這人真厲害你像譬如說我們台灣現在我們各部會你說內政部我們這個社會住宅我們現在開始說兩天後我們就有優惠你像這人你看財政部說服再減免我們勞動部\n\n10\n00:03:01,188 --> 00:03:20,903\n還有我們各個機關可以說是我們是想盡辦法結果我們的生育率節節敗退但是呢你要看都一直降生不如死但我知道有一天一定會達到一個平衡人口總數你降低以後要2.1那個平衡點在待哪一年不知道但是呢\n\n11\n00:03:24,165 --> 00:03:35,711\n我剛提到說安倍晉三我為什麼特別佩服他他就認為喔政府現在要減壓對年輕人的這一些所做的各部會所做的這個其實都不叫社會福利\n\n12\n00:03:36,879 --> 00:04:02,590\n這個叫國家對這個社會的投資安倍晉三去年在講一句話的時候我覺得這人真厲害已經在政府開罵這個都不是社會福利這個都不是什麼在照顧年輕人給年輕人減壓的目的其實就是只有一個這個就是在投資這個國家確實連我們對岸那個中國他本來全世界享盡最多人口紅利的就是中國他現在也面臨少子化的一個危機\n\n13\n00:04:03,590 --> 00:04:06,592\n好啦問題就回來了我現在說我們當年內政部齁差不多你都變成婚姻的聯誼的那個齁要鼓勵婚姻提升婚姻的機會執行一些策略其實國家有定這個目標我看就是內政部我們最認真在執行這個當年你們的預算不是要說執行不夠啦要逮捕啦要凍結啦這我每天都在叫你知道嗎你年年預算被凍結啊被喊刪減啊\n\n14\n00:04:32,188 --> 00:04:36,569\n我對你們這個做法我是有貢獻的但是我都認為這個要繼續去辦為什麼請警政署長上來他生小孩跟你有無所管的事要叫你開你知道嗎你那個網路上啊YouTube好多喔報紙搬很多啦哇人家要怎麼亂挨啦人家要怎麼燒臘啦人家要怎麼摸那個摸腿的女孩那個狗尾仔你看看常常也去跟他吐槽甚至於會造成一些刑事案件啦但我的意思喔就是說有沒有可能啊\n\n15\n00:05:01,095 --> 00:05:05,117\n有沒有可能啊我們內政部去擴大去舉辦撮合月效啦我覺得你們繼續做啦阿不房署長你已經很清楚啦很多詐騙的啊到最後很多婚姻詐騙的啊我那房子也有很多人用便宜的啊說一說只要想要帳簿我都要用貴的啊還有什麼馬小姐人就沒那麼漂亮相片都放得那麼漂亮都要用貴的\n\n16\n00:05:26,774 --> 00:05:35,325\n所以市長回應一下我是覺得我們內政部這個地方因為我看你們辦的那個成效到去年你辦這70梯次裡面錄取參加的6006人次計較率有711\n\n17\n00:05:41,516 --> 00:05:54,046\n配對成功配對成功當然不一定會生小孩啦但是那個機率又增加很多了又增加很多了所以我倒認為說各個部會裡面我看來大家都是很認真在提出這些對策但是他們是這種那是因為減壓方向是對的但是那個是國家對他的投資那個不是一個社會的福利我反而認為內政部這個地方是不是在\n\n18\n00:06:09,834 --> 00:06:25,084\n韓國你要看什麼韓國啊咱們的外出人你知道嗎洗衣服說不用做兵嘿很罕見在我們家人就覺得怪怪的說做兵洗衣服不用做兵然後呢另外呢說你如果要洗衣服喔高速公路你就要用專用道公辦的停車嘿你就可以來停這個\n\n19\n00:06:32,636 --> 00:06:53,625\n成效都有限啦在韓國隔壁鄰近的國家都有很大的一些討論啦但是就是大家已經在想想到有空不順的都想到這個步出來這些政策對於少子化的一個減緩我認為功效不大但至少看得出來其他的國家\n\n20\n00:06:54,885 --> 00:07:14,513\n擠破了頭也在想對策內政部這個地方次長謝謝委員的指教我想我們認同委員的看法姑且不論說這個年輕人是未來國家的主人翁我們也希望經過這樣的一個平台能夠發揮這個作用\n\n21\n00:07:16,786 --> 00:07:32,459\n那顯然現在當然有一些這個績效出來但是我們認為這個還可以再努力還可以再努力那當然相關的配套作是怎麼讓這一個平台的功能能夠發揮那這一部分我們也請委員跟我們支持\n\n22\n00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:50,012\n如果現在的辦理的這個場次當然以現在的人力我們未來會去想辦法這個擴充花風的辦比較好,人家比較有信任啦不然你們去請教那個黃署長他們那個地方就是我們有很多網路上有很多詐騙啊甚至教稅犯罪的一些什麼這個網路戀愛教學課程有的沒的這聽起來都很奇怪的你怎麼知道那我另外要請教的就是說我們黃署長的就是說\n\n23\n00:07:59,378 --> 00:08:14,045\n就是說我們警察在處理車禍現場的時候那個處理的那個流程的一個機制針對傷亡者的部分我想這一次我剛好去看到上個禮拜五教育部舉辦2003年台灣國際學生創意設計大賽裡面那年度大獎由韓國的那個衛山大學的學生拿下他們設計這個急救車輛的引導照可以供我們做參考他用那個屏障結合吸附的一個磁盤直接吸附在停在事故現場\n\n24\n00:08:29,212 --> 00:08:35,115\n前後的一個警車或救護車上提供視覺上的一個屏障同時防止那個路過的民眾去目擊重大創傷可能帶來的心理創傷啊也可以維護傷者的一個尊嚴啊本席到認為說這個值得我們去做一個借鏡啊因為大多數人有看到大家好奇你知道嗎就在那裡捨捨到造成車輛大那麼多的一個回堵啊民眾經過的時候啊其實啊人性啊\n\n25\n00:08:56,027 --> 00:09:02,470\n不免都會去注意去看一下現在這什麼事那我們現在常做的就是山腳錐啊放到那個地方後面引導車流啊或者說我們員警在那邊指揮交通啊對現場幾乎是沒有遮蔽的啦哪有遮蔽的差不多都是人過星期啦回家回家的我們差不多都處理得到這裡這個部分我倒覺得署長我們應該再來精進\n\n26\n00:09:21,818 --> 00:09:31,684\n在交通事故民眾在圍觀的時候那個很容易都造成二次的一個傷害啦那同時啊我們也可以去保護現場的這些事故的一個傷者啦這個署長你會看我怎麼樣因為這我看到之後我覺得不錯值得我們借鏡謝謝委員的一個提供我覺得我們可以評估啦這個如果能達成這個不會造成圍觀民眾的話\n\n27\n00:09:47,054 --> 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全世界的人聽拜託哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭�\n全世界主要的已開發國家幾乎都會碰到這樣的一個問題阻止出生率的一個下降一個北韓這麼極權統治的冷笑金正恩這樣的一個眼淚你們認為會不會有效\n我想掃紙化或者老人化我想這是全球的問題那如果靠這樣子就可以\n這個多生孩子這個大概效果也不太大不可能啦他也能去教育他抓不起來他們的老伯說我們偉大的領袖哭了然後晚上大家趕快來生小孩不可能違反人性啊台灣我們其實我們少子化我們又特別嚴重你要維持這個人口的一個那個替代率2.1你看北韓也到了1.79台灣這個少子化就是說\n沙子化幾乎全世界都認為它是一個國安上的一個危機那這個國安的一個危機不好解決在台灣特別難解決我們這隨著我們小孩已經解放了已經進步了可是呢我們又不像你看連法國也碰到這個問題歐美國家大概還有很多你要生小孩不一定要結婚啊\n不結婚也可以生孩子我們這裡結婚以後他就不生了在我們這裡恢恢生如果再去生小孩的話當事人感受的壓力會更大\n日本的前首相安倍晉三講的話我特別其實我心裡頭一直會覺得這人真厲害你像譬如說我們台灣現在我們各部會你說內政部我們這個社會住宅我們現在開始說兩天後我們就有優惠你像這人你看財政部說服再減免我們勞動部\n還有我們各個機關可以說是我們是想盡辦法結果我們的生育率節節敗退但是呢 你要看都一直降生不如死 但我知道有一天一定會達到一個平衡人口總數你降低以後要2.1那個平衡點在待哪一年 不知道但是呢\n我剛提到說安倍晉三我為什麼特別佩服他他就認為喔政府現在要減壓對年輕人的這一些所做的各部會所做的這個其實都不叫社會福利\n這個叫國家對這個社會的投資安倍晉三去年在講一句話的時候我覺得這人真厲害已經在政府開罵這個都不是社會福利這個都不是什麼在照顧年輕人給年輕人減壓的目的其實就是只有一個這個就是在投資這個國家確實連我們對岸那個中國他本來全世界享盡最多人口紅利的就是中國他現在也面臨少子化的一個危機\n好啦 問題就回來了我現在說我們當年內政部齁差不多你都變成婚姻的聯誼的那個齁要鼓勵婚姻提升婚姻的機會執行一些策略其實國家有定這個目標我看就是內政部我們最認真在執行這個當年你們的預算不是要說執行不夠啦 要逮捕啦要凍結啦這我每天都在叫你知道嗎你年年預算被凍結啊 被喊刪減啊\n我對你們這個做法我是有貢獻的但是我都認為這個要繼續去辦為什麼請警政署長上來他生小孩跟你有無所管的事要叫你開你知道嗎你那個網路上啊YouTube好多喔報紙搬很多啦哇 人家要怎麼亂挨啦人家要怎麼燒臘啦人家要怎麼摸那個摸腿的女孩那個狗尾仔你看看 常常也去跟他吐槽甚至於會造成一些刑事案件啦但我的意思喔 就是說有沒有可能啊\n有沒有可能啊 我們內政部去擴大去舉辦 撮合 月效啦 我覺得你們繼續做啦阿不 房署長你已經很清楚啦 很多詐騙的啊 到最後很多婚姻詐騙的啊我那房子也有很多人用便宜的啊 說一說 只要想要帳簿我都要用貴的啊 還有什麼馬小姐 人就沒那麼漂亮 相片都放得那麼漂亮 都要用貴的\n所以市長回應一下我是覺得我們內政部這個地方因為我看你們辦的那個成效到去年你辦這70梯次裡面錄取參加的6006人次計較率有711\n配對成功 配對成功當然不一定會生小孩啦但是那個機率又增加很多了又增加很多了所以我倒認為說各個部會裡面我看來大家都是很認真在提出這些對策但是 他們是這種那是因為減壓方向是對的但是 那個是國家對他的投資那個不是一個社會的福利我反而認為內政部這個地方是不是在\n韓國 你要看什麼 韓國啊 咱們的外出人 你知道嗎 洗衣服 說不用做兵 嘿 很罕見 在我們家人就覺得怪怪的 說做兵 洗衣服 不用做兵然後呢 另外呢 說你如果要洗衣服喔 高速公路你就要用專用道 公辦的停車 嘿 你就可以來停 這個\n成效都有限啦在韓國隔壁鄰近的國家都有很大的一些討論啦但是就是大家已經在想想到有空不順的都想到這個步出來這些政策對於少子化的一個減緩我認為功效不大但至少看得出來其他的國家\n擠破了頭也在想對策 內政部這個地方 次長謝謝委員的指教 我想我們認同委員的看法姑且不論說這個年輕人是未來國家的主人翁我們也希望經過這樣的一個平台能夠發揮這個作用\n那顯然現在當然有一些這個績效出來但是我們認為這個還可以再努力還可以再努力那當然相關的配套作是怎麼讓這一個平台的功能能夠發揮那這一部分我們也請委員跟我們支持\n如果現在的辦理的這個場次當然以現在的人力我們未來會去想辦法這個擴充花風的辦比較好,人家比較有信任啦不然你們去請教那個黃署長他們那個地方就是我們有很多網路上有很多詐騙啊甚至教稅犯罪的一些什麼這個網路戀愛教學課程有的沒的這聽起來都很奇怪的你怎麼知道那我另外要請教的就是說我們黃署長的就是說\n就是說我們警察在處理車禍現場的時候那個處理的那個流程的一個機制針對傷亡者的部分我想這一次我剛好去看到上個禮拜五教育部舉辦2003年台灣國際學生創意設計大賽裡面那年度大獎由韓國的那個衛山大學的學生拿下他們設計這個急救車輛的引導照可以供我們做參考他用那個屏障結合吸附的一個磁盤直接吸附在停在事故現場\n前後的一個警車或救護車上提供視覺上的一個屏障同時防止那個路過的民眾去目擊重大創傷可能帶來的心理創傷啊也可以維護傷者的一個尊嚴啊本席到認為說這個值得我們去做一個借鏡啊因為大多數人有看到大家好奇你知道嗎就在那裡捨捨到造成車輛大那麼多的一個回堵啊民眾經過的時候啊其實啊人性啊\n不免都會去注意 去看一下 現在這什麼事那我們現在常做的就是山腳錐啊放到那個地方 後面引導車流啊或者說我們員警在那邊指揮交通啊對現場幾乎是沒有遮蔽的啦哪有遮蔽的差不多都是人過星期啦 回家 回家的我們差不多都處理得到這裡這個部分我倒覺得署長 我們應該再來精進\n在交通事故 民眾在圍觀的時候 那個很容易都造成二次的一個傷害啦那同時啊 我們也可以去保護現場的這些事故的一個傷者啦這個 署長你會看我怎麼樣 因為這我看到之後 我覺得不錯 值得我們借鏡謝謝委員的一個提供 我覺得我們可以評估啦這個如果能達成這個不會造成圍觀民眾的話\n也讓車流能順暢啦我覺得這個可以來評估所以你去看喔所以他是得到這一次的一個大獎學生拿到這個大獎這個不是很大的一個花費嗎那我們就類似的我們也許我們警政署啊我們或者說搞不好你們自己內部人同仁就有創意都不一定啊值得我們去做一個借鏡對整避免交通事故現場的群眾圍觀然後去保障這個現場事故的這些傷者\n我覺得這個確實是台灣進步到現在這樣子的這也可以對交通事故我們在處理的時候比較精緻 比較精緻 也有幫助我相信這個花了不會很多錢好不好 那我時間到了不好意思 不好意思再煮一鍋魚 它在嚇我謝謝莊委\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.370 --> 00:20.342\n謝謝主席,有請我們內政部林佑昌林部長林佑昌部長請下,現在是吳鎮次這樣沒辦法,來鎮次次長,起來起來我看還有誰啊我們警政署黃署長好不好好,黃署長\n\n00:26.275 --> 00:37.754\n這個次長昨天那兩位可以來跟大家分享一下昨天我看到這個北韓北韓金正恩在考慮\n\n00:39.498 --> 00:50.007\n蘇長你看那個店頭他在哭什麼哭說哭不夠那是吃醋味金正恩出來哭哭全世界的人聽拜託哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭哭�\n\n01:03.659 --> 01:08.764\n全世界主要的已開發國家幾乎都會碰到這樣的一個問題阻止出生率的一個下降一個北韓這麼極權統治的冷笑金正恩這樣的一個眼淚你們認為會不會有效\n\n01:27.577 --> 01:35.586\n我想掃紙化或者老人化我想這是全球的問題那如果靠這樣子就可以\n\n01:37.504 --> 02:05.052\n這個多生孩子這個大概效果也不太大不可能啦他也能去教育他抓不起來他們的老伯說我們偉大的領袖哭了然後晚上大家趕快來生小孩不可能違反人性啊台灣我們其實我們少子化我們又特別嚴重你要維持這個人口的一個那個替代率2.1你看北韓也到了1.79台灣這個少子化就是說\n\n02:05.552 --> 02:25.428\n沙子化幾乎全世界都認為它是一個國安上的一個危機那這個國安的一個危機不好解決在台灣特別難解決我們這隨著我們小孩已經解放了已經進步了可是呢我們又不像你看連法國也碰到這個問題歐美國家大概還有很多你要生小孩不一定要結婚啊\n\n02:26.741 --> 02:36.472\n不結婚也可以生孩子我們這裡結婚以後他就不生了在我們這裡恢恢生如果再去生小孩的話當事人感受的壓力會更大\n\n02:37.975 --> 02:43.318\n日本的前首相安倍晉三講的話我特別其實我心裡頭一直會覺得這人真厲害你像譬如說我們台灣現在我們各部會你說內政部我們這個社會住宅我們現在開始說兩天後我們就有優惠你像這人你看財政部說服再減免我們勞動部\n\n03:01.188 --> 03:20.903\n還有我們各個機關可以說是我們是想盡辦法結果我們的生育率節節敗退但是呢你要看都一直降生不如死但我知道有一天一定會達到一個平衡人口總數你降低以後要2.1那個平衡點在待哪一年不知道但是呢\n\n03:24.165 --> 03:35.711\n我剛提到說安倍晉三我為什麼特別佩服他他就認為喔政府現在要減壓對年輕人的這一些所做的各部會所做的這個其實都不叫社會福利\n\n03:36.879 --> 04:02.590\n這個叫國家對這個社會的投資安倍晉三去年在講一句話的時候我覺得這人真厲害已經在政府開罵這個都不是社會福利這個都不是什麼在照顧年輕人給年輕人減壓的目的其實就是只有一個這個就是在投資這個國家確實連我們對岸那個中國他本來全世界享盡最多人口紅利的就是中國他現在也面臨少子化的一個危機\n\n04:03.590 --> 04:06.592\n好啦問題就回來了我現在說我們當年內政部齁差不多你都變成婚姻的聯誼的那個齁要鼓勵婚姻提升婚姻的機會執行一些策略其實國家有定這個目標我看就是內政部我們最認真在執行這個當年你們的預算不是要說執行不夠啦要逮捕啦要凍結啦這我每天都在叫你知道嗎你年年預算被凍結啊被喊刪減啊\n\n04:32.188 --> 04:36.569\n我對你們這個做法我是有貢獻的但是我都認為這個要繼續去辦為什麼請警政署長上來他生小孩跟你有無所管的事要叫你開你知道嗎你那個網路上啊YouTube好多喔報紙搬很多啦哇人家要怎麼亂挨啦人家要怎麼燒臘啦人家要怎麼摸那個摸腿的女孩那個狗尾仔你看看常常也去跟他吐槽甚至於會造成一些刑事案件啦但我的意思喔就是說有沒有可能啊\n\n05:01.095 --> 05:05.117\n有沒有可能啊我們內政部去擴大去舉辦撮合月效啦我覺得你們繼續做啦阿不房署長你已經很清楚啦很多詐騙的啊到最後很多婚姻詐騙的啊我那房子也有很多人用便宜的啊說一說只要想要帳簿我都要用貴的啊還有什麼馬小姐人就沒那麼漂亮相片都放得那麼漂亮都要用貴的\n\n05:26.774 --> 05:35.325\n所以市長回應一下我是覺得我們內政部這個地方因為我看你們辦的那個成效到去年你辦這70梯次裡面錄取參加的6006人次計較率有711\n\n05:41.516 --> 05:54.046\n配對成功配對成功當然不一定會生小孩啦但是那個機率又增加很多了又增加很多了所以我倒認為說各個部會裡面我看來大家都是很認真在提出這些對策但是他們是這種那是因為減壓方向是對的但是那個是國家對他的投資那個不是一個社會的福利我反而認為內政部這個地方是不是在\n\n06:09.834 --> 06:25.084\n韓國你要看什麼韓國啊咱們的外出人你知道嗎洗衣服說不用做兵嘿很罕見在我們家人就覺得怪怪的說做兵洗衣服不用做兵然後呢另外呢說你如果要洗衣服喔高速公路你就要用專用道公辦的停車嘿你就可以來停這個\n\n06:32.636 --> 06:53.625\n成效都有限啦在韓國隔壁鄰近的國家都有很大的一些討論啦但是就是大家已經在想想到有空不順的都想到這個步出來這些政策對於少子化的一個減緩我認為功效不大但至少看得出來其他的國家\n\n06:54.885 --> 07:14.513\n擠破了頭也在想對策內政部這個地方次長謝謝委員的指教我想我們認同委員的看法姑且不論說這個年輕人是未來國家的主人翁我們也希望經過這樣的一個平台能夠發揮這個作用\n\n07:16.786 --> 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配對成功當然不一定會生小孩啦但是那個機率又增加很多了又增加很多了所以我倒認為說各個部會裡面我看來大家都是很認真在提出這些對策但是 他們是這種那是因為減壓方向是對的但是 那個是國家對他的投資那個不是一個社會的福利我反而認為內政部這個地方是不是在"},{"start":369.834,"end":385.084,"text":"韓國 你要看什麼 韓國啊 咱們的外出人 你知道嗎 洗衣服 說不用做兵 嘿 很罕見 在我們家人就覺得怪怪的 說做兵 洗衣服 不用做兵然後呢 另外呢 說你如果要洗衣服喔 高速公路你就要用專用道 公辦的停車 嘿 你就可以來停 這個"},{"start":392.636,"end":413.625,"text":"成效都有限啦在韓國隔壁鄰近的國家都有很大的一些討論啦但是就是大家已經在想想到有空不順的都想到這個步出來這些政策對於少子化的一個減緩我認為功效不大但至少看得出來其他的國家"},{"start":414.885,"end":434.513,"text":"擠破了頭也在想對策 內政部這個地方 次長謝謝委員的指教 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因為這我看到之後 我覺得不錯 值得我們借鏡謝謝委員的一個提供 我覺得我們可以評估啦這個如果能達成這個不會造成圍觀民眾的話"},{"start":587.054,"end":591.077,"text":"也讓車流能順暢啦我覺得這個可以來評估所以你去看喔所以他是得到這一次的一個大獎學生拿到這個大獎這個不是很大的一個花費嗎那我們就類似的我們也許我們警政署啊我們或者說搞不好你們自己內部人同仁就有創意都不一定啊值得我們去做一個借鏡對整避免交通事故現場的群眾圍觀然後去保障這個現場事故的這些傷者"},{"start":617.274,"end":620.917,"text":"我覺得這個確實是台灣進步到現在這樣子的這也可以對交通事故我們在處理的時候比較精緻 比較精緻 也有幫助我相信這個花了不會很多錢好不好 那我時間到了不好意思 不好意思再煮一鍋魚 它在嚇我謝謝莊委"}]}}}}