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00:01:07,567\n副主委我想問因為這一次的任務是有圓滿成功可是我想請教一下針對這些民用的船隻海巡署艦隊分署這邊的人力船隻調度目前到底有沒有辦法去好好的應付這些挑戰\n\n5\n00:01:08,484 --> 00:01:30,542\n是謝謝委員的關切那跟委員做一個報告那針對目前周遭台灣周遭的海域凡是未應核准的這個大陸不管是公務船舶或者是一般的這些船舶如果沒有經過核准他們是不得靠近我們24里以內的那這一次的事件我們在\n\n6\n00:01:31,963 --> 00:01:58,227\n很遠的一個距離我們就已經掌握他只要他一進入的時候因為我們是地點跟海巡隊配置的位置有關那我們那個是恆春海巡隊所以他在俄蘭比的下面的西南角我們很快第一時間就從從我們的這個恆春海巡隊派船出去做攔截同時告知他不得靠近我們的境線制水域那他在當時也都聽從我們的這個驅離\n\n7\n00:02:01,628 --> 00:02:16,996\n然后就逐渐的这个向24里外航离那这期间就我们本身的执法的量能跟我们目前执法的这个过去的经验那目前执行起来都没有困难\n\n8\n00:02:17,476 --> 00:02:38,128\n所以人力目前是還好因為我看海巡目前狀況有很多的船還在造那有三千噸的有一千噸的所以我想說總不能說到時候有船了但是沒有人可以操作所以我們人力是OK的目前都有行政院都有逐年按照我們造艦的進度核給我們人力的原額那我們也按照這樣子的原額\n\n9\n00:02:38,968 --> 00:02:49,286\n去向譬如說警察大學跟警專跟其他經由警察在我們的專業特考進來的人員逐年來禁用\n\n10\n00:02:50,316 --> 00:03:19,636\n好那針對這個我就要繼續去問幾個問題啦第一個就是說基本上這幾年我們可以看到有一個事實是什麼是中國的民用船隻他們一直嘗試去越界那一開始可能是海峽中線經濟水域再來就是我們這個臨界區也就是24海里的限制水域那前兩天其實我們也可以看到有這個台大政治系專精在海洋法的學者有提出說接下來\n\n11\n00:03:20,576 --> 00:03:31,840\n中國政府搞不好會用各種理由用民用船隻入侵的方式來測試測試我們這個領海執法的量能也就是說呢他今天跑進24海里那在線上繞來繞去啊看你好像拿到沒有辦法那只能說要廣播要他離開會不會過兩天呢他趁這個風浪大壓燈位大壓跑去23、22海里越來越近最後跑到領海裡又或者說呢他\n\n12\n00:03:48,266 --> 00:04:13,922\n他就在這個高雄港啊基隆港啊甚至是蘇澳左營對外航道卡在這個臨界區的邊界上去阻礙你的船隻往來這個都是也許未來有可能發生的事情嘛那針對這樣子的問題我想這個海委會作為海洋的主管機關我想請問目前因為剛才副主委這邊回答的是你們實際上到底怎麼處理嗎那我想問像我剛講的這個也不是只有我講學者也提出警告\n\n13\n00:04:15,843 --> 00:04:37,923\n針對這種狀況你們目前有沒有覆案就是說如果中國的民用船隻他未經許可到24里臨街區12里臨海海巡這邊要怎麼做是跟委員做回報那事實上海委會在每一季都有跟這個國防部有高層的會談是我們每一次都會針對台灣整個海域的目標的狀況跟其他\n\n14\n00:04:39,685 --> 00:04:54,494\n可能造成台灣海域安全的問題都會做廣泛的討論那期間聯合勤監偵也是其中我們討論的項目之一也就是說目前我們由遠而近所有的目標因為海軍他有他\n\n15\n00:04:55,214 --> 00:05:24,436\n比较高山的雷达站他能够掌握整个辖北到辖南所有的目标的状况那么从远而近的目标他们会请传给我们海巡署的雷达站海巡署的这些指检站或安检所我们掌握到之后或者我们的海巡队或者我们的相关的单位在获知他要即将进入24里的时候我们就会派遣预制的船只到那个位置点上然后阻止他不进来\n\n16\n00:05:24,636 --> 00:05:48,436\n所以聽起來就是副主委這說法就是說其實海委會這邊也是有復案的嘛那就看現行法上我一個建議啦是不是針對這種灰色地帶的主流我們要怎麼適度的去把它公告出來作為因為現在你是在尋答的時候回答我但我會建議說是不是這些東西其實你應該要把一個辦法適度的公告出來作為一種嚇阻的手段\n\n17\n00:05:49,016 --> 00:06:18,300\n那因為我覺得同時其實也是去讓人家讓對方去能夠警覺就是說我們並不是完全的沒有在處理沒有作為啦那我覺得是不是我一個建議在這個部分我請海委會這邊做一個書面報告就第一個就是說先把你們手上有的復案送來這個內政委員會這邊那裡面要有什麼第一個就是說海巡單位目前怎麼處理民用船隻入侵的問題那第二就是說在這些處理上面你們國際法上面的依據是什麼\n\n18\n00:06:18,820 --> 00:06:29,188\n那另外是我也想要看到一個比較就是說其他的國家遇到這種事情如何處理跟未來呢打算怎麼去跟海軍還有國安單位去做協調這部分的這個書面報告可不可以三個禮拜之內給我可以沒問題好那再來我也要再繼續問有關這個馬祖抽砂船的問題因為今天這裡剛好幾個相關的部會都在嘛我就覺得我就一併討論啦\n\n19\n00:06:41,897 --> 00:06:57,191\n第一個就是說今年年中可以看到說媒體報導馬祖海域的中國抽砂船正是越來越猖獗那事實上其實我們包含洪山委員包含李問主委其實都一直有在開記者會在講這件事情也很多人都有看到\n\n20\n00:06:57,771 --> 00:07:25,269\n那但是目前的狀況是海巡受限於人力數量上可能相對的不足而且其實在處理這種狀況上我們海巡這對我們來說是一個比較新的業務啦那我們大型的船隻可能也不可能去長期都進駐在馬祖嘛所以事實上如果你要去主動去查緝他可能是有一點難度的所以針對這個問題我也想請問海巡署這邊有沒有規劃更多的人力跟船隻去馬祖常駐去做查緝\n\n21\n00:07:27,671 --> 00:07:43,621\n是跟委員報告其實馬祖地區就像委員所提到的那抽查船倉決的問題在這一兩年確實比前幾年改善了很多為什麼因為我們這個經過立法院立的這個專精法\n\n22\n00:07:45,262 --> 00:08:09,748\n跟屠宰法之后他加重罚则之后以及我们的强力执法之后我以去年为例我们去年全年在马祖地区驱离的抽杀船有109艘那我们其中我们扣留了这有一艘就是我们今年判判决没收的这一艘拍卖了688万好像大概这个价钱\n\n23\n00:08:10,526 --> 00:08:21,227\n那麼今年我們一直到今天為止我們整個馬祖地區驅離的這個抽砂船大概只有7艘所以那個數量是\n\n24\n00:08:22,594 --> 00:08:39,265\n降低了很多那所以表示我們現在強力執法跟我們目前的做法是確實有效是我有看到說你們是用一個快打部隊啦不過另外這個跟您報告就是說我們都會在重點的期間我們會有\n\n25\n00:08:41,326 --> 00:08:57,562\n台灣的相關的單位就是我們海巡相關單位派遣人力去補充這個人力之不足同時調派大艦到馬祖地區支援請問一下目前這個快打部隊開始之後抓了多少抽砂船目前大概抓了多少\n\n26\n00:08:58,875 --> 00:09:13,228\n不只是抽砂船就是違法越境的像今年在馬祖地區我們現在扣押在岸的就是留置在我們這個看守單位的我們大概馬祖地區應該有大概有20幾元\n\n27\n00:09:16,451 --> 00:09:43,872\n船隻也扣但陸陸續續他們罰還之後我們依據相關的法令跟地方檢察官起訴完了之後法院的判定之後罰還復還之後或者是服刑完畢之後我們就會把他在原船跟人遣返這種越界的漁船是這樣子處置但也會有沒入的狀況吧看他有沒有犯罪的行為如果有犯罪的行為那法官如果判定沒入我們就直接執行沒入\n\n28\n00:09:44,469 --> 00:10:13,007\n對因為我想問一個問題啦這也是衍生的問題因為事實上我們馬祖的這個港口的博位也有限啦那沒入之後的拍賣也未必是很快能夠搞定啦就說如果你就算今天你很順利都把這個抽砂船抓起來了那有沒有再有沒有考慮啦因為這個也是事實上也是有在建議就是說有沒有考慮在競拍幾次衛國之後也許去跟漁業署合作啊把這些漁船做另外的用途或者說跟\n\n29\n00:10:13,387 --> 00:10:40,457\n海軍去合作做其他的用途這個是有辦法嗎報告委員這個都已經在做了目前因為這個我們跟地方法院還有相關單位為了加速這個去化那麼現在已經同意我們就在起訴的同時就可以向國防部跟農業部取得聯繫看他們要不要有其他的用途後續要怎麼處理譬如說做靶船或者是人工漁礁相關的這些都可以\n\n30\n00:10:40,657 --> 00:11:02,589\n好那最後一個問題也想要問副主委這邊啦因為其實如果今天你要處理這個問題說到底還是希望可以正本清源啦所以我想要問說目前台海之間有什麼執法扣船或者是返還的規範那目前就你們掌握啦中國那邊對於這些非法越界的抽砂船\n\n31\n00:11:03,049 --> 00:11:22,836\n他們的態度到底是放任不管還是說在某一些特定的情況之下中國自己也會抓因為到底要怎麼要怎麼去建立一個機制讓這些抽砂船從源頭就減少越界這其實是很重要的一件事情沒錯是委員我們現在其實在金馬地區我們都有一個兩岸協同執法\n\n32\n00:11:23,516 --> 00:11:46,796\n那目前執行的狀況都非常的順遂那麼我們在列定特定的時間譬如說黃花餘季或者是近期有一些不安全的因素提高的時候我們會跟對岸的執法單位共同協派兵力他們在他們的執法水域我們在我們的執法水域共同來執法那目前我們執行的狀況都非常順遂\n\n33\n00:11:47,637 --> 00:11:57,652\n那對於有效來防止這些不管是不法抽殺或者是越界捕魚或者進行其他走私偷渡行為都有嚇阻的作用\n\n34\n00:11:58,177 --> 00:12:23,788\n是所以就是也回到前面啦因為時間到了我就回到前面也提醒一下就是副主委這邊就是剛才講的那個書面報告啦就說包含我們到底要怎麼去處理民用船隻入侵的問題還有法理上的依據是什麼跟其他國家是怎麼處理的還有你怎麼跟其他單位海軍啊國安單位協調這部分再麻煩三週之內給我報告謝謝副主委謝謝主席謝謝委員關心好謝謝賴庭瑜委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t6181\t是不是請主席有請海委會周副主委請海委會周副主委\n8599\t33187\t委員好副主委好今天我們剛好要來審查這個大陸成交法那個有關抽砂船條款的部分是那副主委也是我們海巡署的長官所以我想藉這個機會來請教幾個問題第一個就是說根據報導我想副主委也知道說11月30號的時候我們有發生一件事情是什麼就是有個中國籍的拖船\n33707\t49041\t那大概是1000多噸的大船進到我們墾丁貓鼻頭的海域聲稱說要避風啦那進到了而且進到了我們這個24里的限制水域我們的這個海巡官兵用30噸的小艇去驅離這個任務事實上實務上難度是蠻高的啦\n54105\t67567\t副主委我想問因為這一次的任務是有圓滿成功可是我想請教一下針對這些民用的船隻海巡署艦隊分署這邊的人力船隻調度目前到底有沒有辦法去好好的應付這些挑戰\n68484\t90542\t是謝謝委員的關切那跟委員做一個報告那針對目前周遭台灣周遭的海域凡是未應核准的這個大陸不管是公務船舶或者是一般的這些船舶如果沒有經過核准他們是不得靠近我們24里以內的那這一次的事件我們在\n91963\t118227\t很遠的一個距離我們就已經掌握他只要他一進入的時候因為我們是地點跟海巡隊配置的位置有關那我們那個是恆春海巡隊所以他在俄蘭比的下面的西南角我們很快第一時間就從從我們的這個恆春海巡隊派船出去做攔截同時告知他不得靠近我們的境線制水域那他在當時也都聽從我們的這個驅離\n121628\t136996\t然后就逐渐的这个向24里外航离那这期间就我们本身的执法的量能跟我们目前执法的这个过去的经验那目前执行起来都没有困难\n137476\t158128\t所以人力目前是還好因為我看海巡目前狀況有很多的船還在造那有三千噸的有一千噸的所以我想說總不能說到時候有船了但是沒有人可以操作所以我們人力是OK的目前都有行政院都有逐年按照我們造艦的進度核給我們人力的原額那我們也按照這樣子的原額\n158968\t169286\t去向譬如說警察大學跟警專跟其他經由警察在我們的專業特考進來的人員逐年來禁用\n170316\t199636\t好那針對這個我就要繼續去問幾個問題啦第一個就是說基本上這幾年我們可以看到有一個事實是什麼是中國的民用船隻他們一直嘗試去越界那一開始可能是海峽中線經濟水域再來就是我們這個臨界區也就是24海里的限制水域那前兩天其實我們也可以看到有這個台大政治系專精在海洋法的學者有提出說接下來\n200576\t211840\t中國政府搞不好會用各種理由用民用船隻入侵的方式來測試測試我們這個領海執法的量能也就是說呢他今天跑進24海里那在線上繞來繞去啊看你好像拿到沒有辦法那只能說要廣播要他離開會不會過兩天呢他趁這個風浪大壓燈位大壓跑去23、22海里越來越近最後跑到領海裡又或者說呢他\n228266\t253922\t他就在這個高雄港啊基隆港啊甚至是蘇澳左營對外航道卡在這個臨界區的邊界上去阻礙你的船隻往來這個都是也許未來有可能發生的事情嘛那針對這樣子的問題我想這個海委會作為海洋的主管機關我想請問目前因為剛才副主委這邊回答的是你們實際上到底怎麼處理嗎那我想問像我剛講的這個也不是只有我講學者也提出警告\n255843\t277923\t針對這種狀況你們目前有沒有覆案就是說如果中國的民用船隻他未經許可到24里臨街區12里臨海海巡這邊要怎麼做是跟委員做回報那事實上海委會在每一季都有跟這個國防部有高層的會談是我們每一次都會針對台灣整個海域的目標的狀況跟其他\n279685\t294494\t可能造成台灣海域安全的問題都會做廣泛的討論那期間聯合勤監偵也是其中我們討論的項目之一也就是說目前我們由遠而近所有的目標因為海軍他有他\n295214\t324436\t比较高山的雷达站他能够掌握整个辖北到辖南所有的目标的状况那么从远而近的目标他们会请传给我们海巡署的雷达站海巡署的这些指检站或安检所我们掌握到之后或者我们的海巡队或者我们的相关的单位在获知他要即将进入24里的时候我们就会派遣预制的船只到那个位置点上然后阻止他不进来\n324636\t348436\t所以聽起來就是副主委這說法就是說其實海委會這邊也是有復案的嘛那就看現行法上我一個建議啦是不是針對這種灰色地帶的主流我們要怎麼適度的去把它公告出來作為因為現在你是在尋答的時候回答我但我會建議說是不是這些東西其實你應該要把一個辦法適度的公告出來作為一種嚇阻的手段\n349016\t378300\t那因為我覺得同時其實也是去讓人家讓對方去能夠警覺就是說我們並不是完全的沒有在處理沒有作為啦那我覺得是不是我一個建議在這個部分我請海委會這邊做一個書面報告就第一個就是說先把你們手上有的復案送來這個內政委員會這邊那裡面要有什麼第一個就是說海巡單位目前怎麼處理民用船隻入侵的問題那第二就是說在這些處理上面你們國際法上面的依據是什麼\n378820\t389188\t那另外是我也想要看到一個比較就是說其他的國家遇到這種事情如何處理跟未來呢打算怎麼去跟海軍還有國安單位去做協調這部分的這個書面報告可不可以三個禮拜之內給我可以沒問題好那再來我也要再繼續問有關這個馬祖抽砂船的問題因為今天這裡剛好幾個相關的部會都在嘛我就覺得我就一併討論啦\n401897\t417191\t第一個就是說今年年中可以看到說媒體報導馬祖海域的中國抽砂船正是越來越猖獗那事實上其實我們包含洪山委員包含李問主委其實都一直有在開記者會在講這件事情也很多人都有看到\n417771\t445269\t那但是目前的狀況是海巡受限於人力數量上可能相對的不足而且其實在處理這種狀況上我們海巡這對我們來說是一個比較新的業務啦那我們大型的船隻可能也不可能去長期都進駐在馬祖嘛所以事實上如果你要去主動去查緝他可能是有一點難度的所以針對這個問題我也想請問海巡署這邊有沒有規劃更多的人力跟船隻去馬祖常駐去做查緝\n447671\t463621\t是跟委員報告其實馬祖地區就像委員所提到的那抽查船倉決的問題在這一兩年確實比前幾年改善了很多為什麼因為我們這個經過立法院立的這個專精法\n465262\t489748\t跟屠宰法之后他加重罚则之后以及我们的强力执法之后我以去年为例我们去年全年在马祖地区驱离的抽杀船有109艘那我们其中我们扣留了这有一艘就是我们今年判判决没收的这一艘拍卖了688万好像大概这个价钱\n490526\t501227\t那麼今年我們一直到今天為止我們整個馬祖地區驅離的這個抽砂船大概只有7艘所以那個數量是\n502594\t519265\t降低了很多那所以表示我們現在強力執法跟我們目前的做法是確實有效是我有看到說你們是用一個快打部隊啦不過另外這個跟您報告就是說我們都會在重點的期間我們會有\n521326\t537562\t台灣的相關的單位就是我們海巡相關單位派遣人力去補充這個人力之不足同時調派大艦到馬祖地區支援請問一下目前這個快打部隊開始之後抓了多少抽砂船目前大概抓了多少\n538875\t553228\t不只是抽砂船就是違法越境的像今年在馬祖地區我們現在扣押在岸的就是留置在我們這個看守單位的我們大概馬祖地區應該有大概有20幾元\n556451\t583872\t船隻也扣但陸陸續續他們罰還之後我們依據相關的法令跟地方檢察官起訴完了之後法院的判定之後罰還復還之後或者是服刑完畢之後我們就會把他在原船跟人遣返這種越界的漁船是這樣子處置但也會有沒入的狀況吧看他有沒有犯罪的行為如果有犯罪的行為那法官如果判定沒入我們就直接執行沒入\n584469\t613007\t對 因為我想問一個問題啦這也是衍生的問題因為事實上我們馬祖的這個港口的博位也有限啦那沒入之後的拍賣也未必是很快能夠搞定啦就說如果你就算今天你很順利都把這個抽砂船抓起來了那有沒有再有沒有考慮啦因為這個也是事實上也是有在建議就是說有沒有考慮在競拍幾次衛國之後也許去跟漁業署合作啊把這些漁船做另外的用途或者說跟\n613387\t640457\t海軍去合作做其他的用途這個是有辦法嗎報告委員這個都已經在做了目前因為這個我們跟地方法院還有相關單位為了加速這個去化那麼現在已經同意我們就在起訴的同時就可以向國防部跟農業部取得聯繫看他們要不要有其他的用途後續要怎麼處理譬如說做靶船或者是人工漁礁相關的這些都可以\n640657\t662589\t好那最後一個問題也想要問副主委這邊啦因為其實如果今天你要處理這個問題說到底還是希望可以正本清源啦所以我想要問說目前台海之間有什麼執法扣船或者是返還的規範那目前就你們掌握啦中國那邊對於這些非法越界的抽砂船\n663049\t682836\t他們的態度到底是放任不管還是說在某一些特定的情況之下中國自己也會抓因為到底要怎麼要怎麼去建立一個機制讓這些抽砂船從源頭就減少越界這其實是很重要的一件事情沒錯是委員我們現在其實在金馬地區我們都有一個兩岸協同執法\n683516\t706796\t那目前執行的狀況都非常的順遂那麼我們在列定特定的時間譬如說黃花餘季或者是近期有一些不安全的因素提高的時候我們會跟對岸的執法單位共同協派兵力他們在他們的執法水域我們在我們的執法水域共同來執法那目前我們執行的狀況都非常順遂\n707637\t717652\t那對於有效來防止這些不管是不法抽殺或者是越界捕魚或者進行其他走私偷渡行為都有嚇阻的作用\n718177\t743788\t是 所以就是也回到前面啦因為時間到了我就回到前面也提醒一下就是副主委這邊就是剛才講的那個書面報告啦就說包含我們到底要怎麼去處理民用船隻入侵的問題還有法理上的依據是什麼跟其他國家是怎麼處理的還有你怎麼跟其他單位海軍啊 國安單位協調這部分再麻煩三週之內給我報告謝謝副主委 謝謝主席謝謝委員關心好 謝謝賴庭瑜委員\n","txt":"是不是請主席有請海委會周副主委請海委會周副主委\n委員好副主委好今天我們剛好要來審查這個大陸成交法那個有關抽砂船條款的部分是那副主委也是我們海巡署的長官所以我想藉這個機會來請教幾個問題第一個就是說根據報導我想副主委也知道說11月30號的時候我們有發生一件事情是什麼就是有個中國籍的拖船\n那大概是1000多噸的大船進到我們墾丁貓鼻頭的海域聲稱說要避風啦那進到了而且進到了我們這個24里的限制水域我們的這個海巡官兵用30噸的小艇去驅離這個任務事實上實務上難度是蠻高的啦\n副主委我想問因為這一次的任務是有圓滿成功可是我想請教一下針對這些民用的船隻海巡署艦隊分署這邊的人力船隻調度目前到底有沒有辦法去好好的應付這些挑戰\n是謝謝委員的關切那跟委員做一個報告那針對目前周遭台灣周遭的海域凡是未應核准的這個大陸不管是公務船舶或者是一般的這些船舶如果沒有經過核准他們是不得靠近我們24里以內的那這一次的事件我們在\n很遠的一個距離我們就已經掌握他只要他一進入的時候因為我們是地點跟海巡隊配置的位置有關那我們那個是恆春海巡隊所以他在俄蘭比的下面的西南角我們很快第一時間就從從我們的這個恆春海巡隊派船出去做攔截同時告知他不得靠近我們的境線制水域那他在當時也都聽從我們的這個驅離\n然后就逐渐的这个向24里外航离那这期间就我们本身的执法的量能跟我们目前执法的这个过去的经验那目前执行起来都没有困难\n所以人力目前是還好因為我看海巡目前狀況有很多的船還在造那有三千噸的有一千噸的所以我想說總不能說到時候有船了但是沒有人可以操作所以我們人力是OK的目前都有行政院都有逐年按照我們造艦的進度核給我們人力的原額那我們也按照這樣子的原額\n去向譬如說警察大學跟警專跟其他經由警察在我們的專業特考進來的人員逐年來禁用\n好那針對這個我就要繼續去問幾個問題啦第一個就是說基本上這幾年我們可以看到有一個事實是什麼是中國的民用船隻他們一直嘗試去越界那一開始可能是海峽中線經濟水域再來就是我們這個臨界區也就是24海里的限制水域那前兩天其實我們也可以看到有這個台大政治系專精在海洋法的學者有提出說接下來\n中國政府搞不好會用各種理由用民用船隻入侵的方式來測試測試我們這個領海執法的量能也就是說呢他今天跑進24海里那在線上繞來繞去啊看你好像拿到沒有辦法那只能說要廣播要他離開會不會過兩天呢他趁這個風浪大壓燈位大壓跑去23、22海里越來越近最後跑到領海裡又或者說呢他\n他就在這個高雄港啊基隆港啊甚至是蘇澳左營對外航道卡在這個臨界區的邊界上去阻礙你的船隻往來這個都是也許未來有可能發生的事情嘛那針對這樣子的問題我想這個海委會作為海洋的主管機關我想請問目前因為剛才副主委這邊回答的是你們實際上到底怎麼處理嗎那我想問像我剛講的這個也不是只有我講學者也提出警告\n針對這種狀況你們目前有沒有覆案就是說如果中國的民用船隻他未經許可到24里臨街區12里臨海海巡這邊要怎麼做是跟委員做回報那事實上海委會在每一季都有跟這個國防部有高層的會談是我們每一次都會針對台灣整個海域的目標的狀況跟其他\n可能造成台灣海域安全的問題都會做廣泛的討論那期間聯合勤監偵也是其中我們討論的項目之一也就是說目前我們由遠而近所有的目標因為海軍他有他\n比较高山的雷达站他能够掌握整个辖北到辖南所有的目标的状况那么从远而近的目标他们会请传给我们海巡署的雷达站海巡署的这些指检站或安检所我们掌握到之后或者我们的海巡队或者我们的相关的单位在获知他要即将进入24里的时候我们就会派遣预制的船只到那个位置点上然后阻止他不进来\n所以聽起來就是副主委這說法就是說其實海委會這邊也是有復案的嘛那就看現行法上我一個建議啦是不是針對這種灰色地帶的主流我們要怎麼適度的去把它公告出來作為因為現在你是在尋答的時候回答我但我會建議說是不是這些東西其實你應該要把一個辦法適度的公告出來作為一種嚇阻的手段\n那因為我覺得同時其實也是去讓人家讓對方去能夠警覺就是說我們並不是完全的沒有在處理沒有作為啦那我覺得是不是我一個建議在這個部分我請海委會這邊做一個書面報告就第一個就是說先把你們手上有的復案送來這個內政委員會這邊那裡面要有什麼第一個就是說海巡單位目前怎麼處理民用船隻入侵的問題那第二就是說在這些處理上面你們國際法上面的依據是什麼\n那另外是我也想要看到一個比較就是說其他的國家遇到這種事情如何處理跟未來呢打算怎麼去跟海軍還有國安單位去做協調這部分的這個書面報告可不可以三個禮拜之內給我可以沒問題好那再來我也要再繼續問有關這個馬祖抽砂船的問題因為今天這裡剛好幾個相關的部會都在嘛我就覺得我就一併討論啦\n第一個就是說今年年中可以看到說媒體報導馬祖海域的中國抽砂船正是越來越猖獗那事實上其實我們包含洪山委員包含李問主委其實都一直有在開記者會在講這件事情也很多人都有看到\n那但是目前的狀況是海巡受限於人力數量上可能相對的不足而且其實在處理這種狀況上我們海巡這對我們來說是一個比較新的業務啦那我們大型的船隻可能也不可能去長期都進駐在馬祖嘛所以事實上如果你要去主動去查緝他可能是有一點難度的所以針對這個問題我也想請問海巡署這邊有沒有規劃更多的人力跟船隻去馬祖常駐去做查緝\n是跟委員報告其實馬祖地區就像委員所提到的那抽查船倉決的問題在這一兩年確實比前幾年改善了很多為什麼因為我們這個經過立法院立的這個專精法\n跟屠宰法之后他加重罚则之后以及我们的强力执法之后我以去年为例我们去年全年在马祖地区驱离的抽杀船有109艘那我们其中我们扣留了这有一艘就是我们今年判判决没收的这一艘拍卖了688万好像大概这个价钱\n那麼今年我們一直到今天為止我們整個馬祖地區驅離的這個抽砂船大概只有7艘所以那個數量是\n降低了很多那所以表示我們現在強力執法跟我們目前的做法是確實有效是我有看到說你們是用一個快打部隊啦不過另外這個跟您報告就是說我們都會在重點的期間我們會有\n台灣的相關的單位就是我們海巡相關單位派遣人力去補充這個人力之不足同時調派大艦到馬祖地區支援請問一下目前這個快打部隊開始之後抓了多少抽砂船目前大概抓了多少\n不只是抽砂船就是違法越境的像今年在馬祖地區我們現在扣押在岸的就是留置在我們這個看守單位的我們大概馬祖地區應該有大概有20幾元\n船隻也扣但陸陸續續他們罰還之後我們依據相關的法令跟地方檢察官起訴完了之後法院的判定之後罰還復還之後或者是服刑完畢之後我們就會把他在原船跟人遣返這種越界的漁船是這樣子處置但也會有沒入的狀況吧看他有沒有犯罪的行為如果有犯罪的行為那法官如果判定沒入我們就直接執行沒入\n對 因為我想問一個問題啦這也是衍生的問題因為事實上我們馬祖的這個港口的博位也有限啦那沒入之後的拍賣也未必是很快能夠搞定啦就說如果你就算今天你很順利都把這個抽砂船抓起來了那有沒有再有沒有考慮啦因為這個也是事實上也是有在建議就是說有沒有考慮在競拍幾次衛國之後也許去跟漁業署合作啊把這些漁船做另外的用途或者說跟\n海軍去合作做其他的用途這個是有辦法嗎報告委員這個都已經在做了目前因為這個我們跟地方法院還有相關單位為了加速這個去化那麼現在已經同意我們就在起訴的同時就可以向國防部跟農業部取得聯繫看他們要不要有其他的用途後續要怎麼處理譬如說做靶船或者是人工漁礁相關的這些都可以\n好那最後一個問題也想要問副主委這邊啦因為其實如果今天你要處理這個問題說到底還是希望可以正本清源啦所以我想要問說目前台海之間有什麼執法扣船或者是返還的規範那目前就你們掌握啦中國那邊對於這些非法越界的抽砂船\n他們的態度到底是放任不管還是說在某一些特定的情況之下中國自己也會抓因為到底要怎麼要怎麼去建立一個機制讓這些抽砂船從源頭就減少越界這其實是很重要的一件事情沒錯是委員我們現在其實在金馬地區我們都有一個兩岸協同執法\n那目前執行的狀況都非常的順遂那麼我們在列定特定的時間譬如說黃花餘季或者是近期有一些不安全的因素提高的時候我們會跟對岸的執法單位共同協派兵力他們在他們的執法水域我們在我們的執法水域共同來執法那目前我們執行的狀況都非常順遂\n那對於有效來防止這些不管是不法抽殺或者是越界捕魚或者進行其他走私偷渡行為都有嚇阻的作用\n是 所以就是也回到前面啦因為時間到了我就回到前面也提醒一下就是副主委這邊就是剛才講的那個書面報告啦就說包含我們到底要怎麼去處理民用船隻入侵的問題還有法理上的依據是什麼跟其他國家是怎麼處理的還有你怎麼跟其他單位海軍啊 國安單位協調這部分再麻煩三週之內給我報告謝謝副主委 謝謝主席謝謝委員關心好 謝謝賴庭瑜委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:06.181\n是不是請主席有請海委會周副主委請海委會周副主委\n\n00:08.599 --> 00:33.187\n委員好副主委好今天我們剛好要來審查這個大陸成交法那個有關抽砂船條款的部分是那副主委也是我們海巡署的長官所以我想藉這個機會來請教幾個問題第一個就是說根據報導我想副主委也知道說11月30號的時候我們有發生一件事情是什麼就是有個中國籍的拖船\n\n00:33.707 --> 00:49.041\n那大概是1000多噸的大船進到我們墾丁貓鼻頭的海域聲稱說要避風啦那進到了而且進到了我們這個24里的限制水域我們的這個海巡官兵用30噸的小艇去驅離這個任務事實上實務上難度是蠻高的啦\n\n00:54.105 --> 01:07.567\n副主委我想問因為這一次的任務是有圓滿成功可是我想請教一下針對這些民用的船隻海巡署艦隊分署這邊的人力船隻調度目前到底有沒有辦法去好好的應付這些挑戰\n\n01:08.484 --> 01:30.542\n是謝謝委員的關切那跟委員做一個報告那針對目前周遭台灣周遭的海域凡是未應核准的這個大陸不管是公務船舶或者是一般的這些船舶如果沒有經過核准他們是不得靠近我們24里以內的那這一次的事件我們在\n\n01:31.963 --> 01:58.227\n很遠的一個距離我們就已經掌握他只要他一進入的時候因為我們是地點跟海巡隊配置的位置有關那我們那個是恆春海巡隊所以他在俄蘭比的下面的西南角我們很快第一時間就從從我們的這個恆春海巡隊派船出去做攔截同時告知他不得靠近我們的境線制水域那他在當時也都聽從我們的這個驅離\n\n02:01.628 --> 02:16.996\n然后就逐渐的这个向24里外航离那这期间就我们本身的执法的量能跟我们目前执法的这个过去的经验那目前执行起来都没有困难\n\n02:17.476 --> 02:38.128\n所以人力目前是還好因為我看海巡目前狀況有很多的船還在造那有三千噸的有一千噸的所以我想說總不能說到時候有船了但是沒有人可以操作所以我們人力是OK的目前都有行政院都有逐年按照我們造艦的進度核給我們人力的原額那我們也按照這樣子的原額\n\n02:38.968 --> 02:49.286\n去向譬如說警察大學跟警專跟其他經由警察在我們的專業特考進來的人員逐年來禁用\n\n02:50.316 --> 03:19.636\n好那針對這個我就要繼續去問幾個問題啦第一個就是說基本上這幾年我們可以看到有一個事實是什麼是中國的民用船隻他們一直嘗試去越界那一開始可能是海峽中線經濟水域再來就是我們這個臨界區也就是24海里的限制水域那前兩天其實我們也可以看到有這個台大政治系專精在海洋法的學者有提出說接下來\n\n03:20.576 --> 03:31.840\n中國政府搞不好會用各種理由用民用船隻入侵的方式來測試測試我們這個領海執法的量能也就是說呢他今天跑進24海里那在線上繞來繞去啊看你好像拿到沒有辦法那只能說要廣播要他離開會不會過兩天呢他趁這個風浪大壓燈位大壓跑去23、22海里越來越近最後跑到領海裡又或者說呢他\n\n03:48.266 --> 04:13.922\n他就在這個高雄港啊基隆港啊甚至是蘇澳左營對外航道卡在這個臨界區的邊界上去阻礙你的船隻往來這個都是也許未來有可能發生的事情嘛那針對這樣子的問題我想這個海委會作為海洋的主管機關我想請問目前因為剛才副主委這邊回答的是你們實際上到底怎麼處理嗎那我想問像我剛講的這個也不是只有我講學者也提出警告\n\n04:15.843 --> 04:37.923\n針對這種狀況你們目前有沒有覆案就是說如果中國的民用船隻他未經許可到24里臨街區12里臨海海巡這邊要怎麼做是跟委員做回報那事實上海委會在每一季都有跟這個國防部有高層的會談是我們每一次都會針對台灣整個海域的目標的狀況跟其他\n\n04:39.685 --> 04:54.494\n可能造成台灣海域安全的問題都會做廣泛的討論那期間聯合勤監偵也是其中我們討論的項目之一也就是說目前我們由遠而近所有的目標因為海軍他有他\n\n04:55.214 --> 05:24.436\n比较高山的雷达站他能够掌握整个辖北到辖南所有的目标的状况那么从远而近的目标他们会请传给我们海巡署的雷达站海巡署的这些指检站或安检所我们掌握到之后或者我们的海巡队或者我们的相关的单位在获知他要即将进入24里的时候我们就会派遣预制的船只到那个位置点上然后阻止他不进来\n\n05:24.636 --> 05:48.436\n所以聽起來就是副主委這說法就是說其實海委會這邊也是有復案的嘛那就看現行法上我一個建議啦是不是針對這種灰色地帶的主流我們要怎麼適度的去把它公告出來作為因為現在你是在尋答的時候回答我但我會建議說是不是這些東西其實你應該要把一個辦法適度的公告出來作為一種嚇阻的手段\n\n05:49.016 --> 06:18.300\n那因為我覺得同時其實也是去讓人家讓對方去能夠警覺就是說我們並不是完全的沒有在處理沒有作為啦那我覺得是不是我一個建議在這個部分我請海委會這邊做一個書面報告就第一個就是說先把你們手上有的復案送來這個內政委員會這邊那裡面要有什麼第一個就是說海巡單位目前怎麼處理民用船隻入侵的問題那第二就是說在這些處理上面你們國際法上面的依據是什麼\n\n06:18.820 --> 06:29.188\n那另外是我也想要看到一個比較就是說其他的國家遇到這種事情如何處理跟未來呢打算怎麼去跟海軍還有國安單位去做協調這部分的這個書面報告可不可以三個禮拜之內給我可以沒問題好那再來我也要再繼續問有關這個馬祖抽砂船的問題因為今天這裡剛好幾個相關的部會都在嘛我就覺得我就一併討論啦\n\n06:41.897 --> 06:57.191\n第一個就是說今年年中可以看到說媒體報導馬祖海域的中國抽砂船正是越來越猖獗那事實上其實我們包含洪山委員包含李問主委其實都一直有在開記者會在講這件事情也很多人都有看到\n\n06:57.771 --> 07:25.269\n那但是目前的狀況是海巡受限於人力數量上可能相對的不足而且其實在處理這種狀況上我們海巡這對我們來說是一個比較新的業務啦那我們大型的船隻可能也不可能去長期都進駐在馬祖嘛所以事實上如果你要去主動去查緝他可能是有一點難度的所以針對這個問題我也想請問海巡署這邊有沒有規劃更多的人力跟船隻去馬祖常駐去做查緝\n\n07:27.671 --> 07:43.621\n是跟委員報告其實馬祖地區就像委員所提到的那抽查船倉決的問題在這一兩年確實比前幾年改善了很多為什麼因為我們這個經過立法院立的這個專精法\n\n07:45.262 --> 08:09.748\n跟屠宰法之后他加重罚则之后以及我们的强力执法之后我以去年为例我们去年全年在马祖地区驱离的抽杀船有109艘那我们其中我们扣留了这有一艘就是我们今年判判决没收的这一艘拍卖了688万好像大概这个价钱\n\n08:10.526 --> 08:21.227\n那麼今年我們一直到今天為止我們整個馬祖地區驅離的這個抽砂船大概只有7艘所以那個數量是\n\n08:22.594 --> 08:39.265\n降低了很多那所以表示我們現在強力執法跟我們目前的做法是確實有效是我有看到說你們是用一個快打部隊啦不過另外這個跟您報告就是說我們都會在重點的期間我們會有\n\n08:41.326 --> 08:57.562\n台灣的相關的單位就是我們海巡相關單位派遣人力去補充這個人力之不足同時調派大艦到馬祖地區支援請問一下目前這個快打部隊開始之後抓了多少抽砂船目前大概抓了多少\n\n08:58.875 --> 09:13.228\n不只是抽砂船就是違法越境的像今年在馬祖地區我們現在扣押在岸的就是留置在我們這個看守單位的我們大概馬祖地區應該有大概有20幾元\n\n09:16.451 --> 09:43.872\n船隻也扣但陸陸續續他們罰還之後我們依據相關的法令跟地方檢察官起訴完了之後法院的判定之後罰還復還之後或者是服刑完畢之後我們就會把他在原船跟人遣返這種越界的漁船是這樣子處置但也會有沒入的狀況吧看他有沒有犯罪的行為如果有犯罪的行為那法官如果判定沒入我們就直接執行沒入\n\n09:44.469 --> 10:13.007\n對因為我想問一個問題啦這也是衍生的問題因為事實上我們馬祖的這個港口的博位也有限啦那沒入之後的拍賣也未必是很快能夠搞定啦就說如果你就算今天你很順利都把這個抽砂船抓起來了那有沒有再有沒有考慮啦因為這個也是事實上也是有在建議就是說有沒有考慮在競拍幾次衛國之後也許去跟漁業署合作啊把這些漁船做另外的用途或者說跟\n\n10:13.387 --> 10:40.457\n海軍去合作做其他的用途這個是有辦法嗎報告委員這個都已經在做了目前因為這個我們跟地方法院還有相關單位為了加速這個去化那麼現在已經同意我們就在起訴的同時就可以向國防部跟農業部取得聯繫看他們要不要有其他的用途後續要怎麼處理譬如說做靶船或者是人工漁礁相關的這些都可以\n\n10:40.657 --> 11:02.589\n好那最後一個問題也想要問副主委這邊啦因為其實如果今天你要處理這個問題說到底還是希望可以正本清源啦所以我想要問說目前台海之間有什麼執法扣船或者是返還的規範那目前就你們掌握啦中國那邊對於這些非法越界的抽砂船\n\n11:03.049 --> 11:22.836\n他們的態度到底是放任不管還是說在某一些特定的情況之下中國自己也會抓因為到底要怎麼要怎麼去建立一個機制讓這些抽砂船從源頭就減少越界這其實是很重要的一件事情沒錯是委員我們現在其實在金馬地區我們都有一個兩岸協同執法\n\n11:23.516 --> 11:46.796\n那目前執行的狀況都非常的順遂那麼我們在列定特定的時間譬如說黃花餘季或者是近期有一些不安全的因素提高的時候我們會跟對岸的執法單位共同協派兵力他們在他們的執法水域我們在我們的執法水域共同來執法那目前我們執行的狀況都非常順遂\n\n11:47.637 --> 11:57.652\n那對於有效來防止這些不管是不法抽殺或者是越界捕魚或者進行其他走私偷渡行為都有嚇阻的作用\n\n11:58.177 --> 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