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00:00:08,331\n昨天我看到民眾黨總統候選人柯文哲在臉書說彰化的潮間帶插滿了風機,請問部長這是不是事實?\n\n2\n00:00:22,622 --> 00:00:40,907\n事實非常明顯就是現在688隻的風機要嘛在陸上要嘛在海上沒有任何一隻是差在潮間帶那因為潮間帶本身也是生態敏感區規定上本來就不可以設置事實上也沒有\n\n3\n00:00:41,927 --> 00:00:53,510\n設置在朝鮮帶所以不會有人也不可能法律也不允許在朝鮮帶在這個敏感的地質敏感或生態敏感區去設置這個風機所以這絕對那做一個總統候選人或他的團隊應該很容易查證這事實那為什麼像這樣的訊息會不斷的出來\n\n4\n00:00:59,512 --> 00:01:19,361\n我想這個會很容易造成很大的一個錯誤的訊息所以我們經濟部在第一時間務必已經做了理解部長今天我看到的是昨天有做了一些澄清我希望今天部裡面要再繼續強力做澄清了好不好是的是的因為一方面是不要讓不是這個假訊息不確訊息不斷去影響到整個這個民心好像一副好像執政的團隊完全不照顧這個潮間帶連風機都硬把弄上去\n\n5\n00:01:27,985 --> 00:01:43,164\n因為以他現在是總統候選人三組候選人他的聲量這麼大這樣子完全蓋過去的話那幾乎等於是有可能是錯誤訊息會造成國人的誤解請今天經營部除了發表外應該也錄一些短片不斷的對外去澄清另外會不會請柯文哲總統候選人把這個修改\n\n6\n00:01:43,886 --> 00:01:55,831\n我想他應該要慎重釐清再發言那所以這樣的錯誤我們比較期望他去做修正會不會請柯文哲總統候選人那邊來做修改今天早上我剛剛看上一次電台前還是貼著同樣的貼文貼著昨天發了稿到現在為止沒有做修改部長會不會請柯文哲總統候選人那邊來修改他的這個不實的一些訊息我們是非常希望他能夠修改\n\n7\n00:02:07,435 --> 00:02:27,606\n我希望經濟部要有一些動作就是提醒他們要做修改就像當時李洪源一樣很努力的去要求他做了這個以後道歉修改之後他做了修改那這些事情我們假設是他的幕僚的不小心的作業疏失但是要趕快修改不應該我想國家的能源政策、風機政策、再生能源政策或潮間帶的一些保育都是重要的事項不應該這個輕易的用這樣的方式來誤導民眾\n\n8\n00:02:31,368 --> 00:02:52,851\n沒錯好不好那既然有錯誤就趕快更改好請經濟部趕快去做要求澄清再來大林埔前村還是要謝謝部長這個大力的來支持那八百億這個行政院已經核定了那整體上面確實給努力的給鄉親們一個比較好的一個照顧但是裡面其實我還是提到了對於長期市區在這個地方的\n\n9\n00:02:53,311 --> 00:03:12,179\n他本身沒有房子也沒有地的那他也許不管是在這邊住了多久從小到大也許念國小國中或者是他離開了去這個故鄉去就學再回來但是他是個市居者在當我們要讓他離開這個地方的時候能不能再多給他一些些的照顧\n\n10\n00:03:12,759 --> 00:03:24,914\n現在我知道可能也許只是給她一個十萬塊就請她要搬走當然我知道有一些社會住宅的照顧或什麼的但我講的是就情感上面的話她在長期住在她的故鄉裡面讓她離開了以後至少讓她能夠有一個\n\n11\n00:03:27,637 --> 00:03:53,388\n有一些手臂有些充裕的一部分的資金能夠去做一些生活上的調度每個人要離開自己的故鄉是很不得已的那你離開了你政府給個十萬就要他一定要走我覺得這個能不能部長在這一塊也許他人數不多也許一千人也許是吧因為我們要求是四居真正住在這邊的人幾乎都不要如果不是四居我也不要我如果你這個部分照顧的話可以讓整個千村後面的執行做得更完美更順利一點部長同意嗎\n\n12\n00:03:55,049 --> 00:03:57,232\n謝謝委員那委員一直在提醒這件事情那也做了很多次的了解跟協調那這個部分我們也會跟高雄市政府針對委員這個明確怎麼明確這個市居這個問題我們會再來跟高雄市政府細談這個很多的細節\n\n13\n00:04:13,049 --> 00:04:39,813\n那大的方向就是去照顧這個大林埔這一些無房無屋的這一些人來做更好的一個遷村這個是確實是我們的目的我希望盡力來朝這個方向這件事情上面因為有房有地的其實我們做了很多的努力包括其他的弱勢的我也相信弱勢的我們也都做很多努力但是對於這些的無房無地他可能是住在租來的房子的或者是但是他竟然市居在這個地方\n\n14\n00:04:40,413 --> 00:05:05,172\n她如果不簽她一樣在這邊有固定她的生活那我們讓她離開如果給她手邊充裕的一些些的搬遷的補償金的話我認為整件事情會更圓滿我們不希望未來將來看到很多的很這個不愉快的一些畫面出現我認為這對於一個美意政府努力做的美意有可能大打折扣我也希望這個部分請部長再跟市府溝通我們來妥善把它處理好是甚至最後1000如果把它做好\n\n15\n00:05:05,692 --> 00:05:17,237\n他也許經費就是也許是幾億而已也許是一億兩億三億但是有可能讓整件事情圓滿很多謝謝委員的提醒好謝謝那再來我請教一下其實整個經濟狀況大家都很關心那我看服務業整個緊急來回升到明年應該都還是相當強勁吧服務業一直都非常好對所以明年應該會更好明年應該還是維持今年的這樣的一個態勢那製造業的部分我看連續燈號已經16個月來攀升了那明年應該也會更好吧\n\n16\n00:05:36,066 --> 00:05:50,414\n製造業我們各個行業或者幾個企業我們都會定期去詢問他們在明年的接單的情形跟出口情形那都是正向的一個發展所以明年看來整個因為燈號也連續16個月往好的方向在轉了那看來明年應該整個景氣狀況會越來越好吧\n\n17\n00:05:56,698 --> 00:06:16,536\n是是好謝謝那我看了一下齁其實這六年其實我們的這個成長齁出口的一個成長六兆這也大概有史以來的第三高齁包括很多重要的我希望經濟部還是要加強去做宣傳是的經濟是人民最有感的我也希望加強宣傳最後一個問題我請教一下啦齁之前的時候周昌豪批評你說這個呃\n\n18\n00:06:18,638 --> 00:06:37,628\n科長級的啦我完全不認同啦我認為所有的優秀的人才特別是在公家體系培養出來他具有視野具有經驗其實是非常好的人才那我們歷來看來不管是從孫玉璇到蕭暗藏到杜子君到這個沈榮金都是從基層上來都是非常優秀的工藝我一樣認為\n\n19\n00:06:38,869 --> 00:06:43,891\n部長王美鳳部長一樣是一個非常優秀的經濟部長部長要不要替公務人員講些話優質優秀的公務人員其實都是很適合擔任國家重要的一些不管是部長或重要的首長謝謝委員的支持跟鼓勵那我想我們長期在公務部門我們不僅要管這個國家的這個大政但是我們對經濟的發展的各個面向那像委員的要求也好那人民的訴求也好我們都要照顧\n\n20\n00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,203\n所以在這幾年來不管是從疫情開始從美中貿易戰吸引這麼多的投資回來到現在我們讓台灣的半導體台灣的伺服器產業成為全球重中之重那這個都是一點一滴我們努力來我想我們持續在努力做這個事情\n\n21\n00:07:25,299 --> 00:07:43,186\n我自己也擔任過的四年的首長包括經濟新聞局長三年半我很清楚知道當你有縱觀的視野的時候你每天至少開主管會議跟所有的這個首長們都一起開所以部裡的業務是非常的熟悉那具有視野具有格局的時候我認為都是會非常好的部長人選我也希望趙少康這樣的發言其實並不恰當他對於優秀的公務人員對優秀長期培養的其實並不公平我們期待國家未來繼續舉差然後讓更多優質的人員為國家來服務是的謝謝部長\n\n22\n00:07:55,230 --> 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努力的給鄉親們一個比較好的一個照顧但是裡面其實我還是提到了對於長期市區在這個地方的\n173311\t192179\t他本身沒有房子也沒有地的那他也許不管是在這邊住了多久從小到大也許念國小國中或者是他離開了去這個故鄉去就學再回來但是他是個市居者在當我們要讓他離開這個地方的時候能不能再多給他一些些的照顧\n192759\t204914\t現在我知道可能也許只是給她一個十萬塊就請她要搬走當然我知道有一些社會住宅的照顧或什麼的但我講的是就情感上面的話她在長期住在她的故鄉裡面讓她離開了以後至少讓她能夠有一個\n207637\t233388\t有一些手臂有些充裕的一部分的資金能夠去做一些生活上的調度每個人要離開自己的故鄉是很不得已的那你離開了你政府給個十萬就要他一定要走我覺得這個能不能部長在這一塊也許他人數不多也許一千人也許是吧因為我們要求是四居真正住在這邊的人幾乎都不要如果不是四居我也不要我如果你這個部分照顧的話可以讓整個千村後面的執行做得更完美更順利一點部長同意嗎\n235049\t237232\t謝謝委員那委員一直在提醒這件事情那也做了很多次的了解跟協調那這個部分我們也會跟高雄市政府針對委員這個明確怎麼明確這個市居這個問題我們會再來跟高雄市政府細談這個很多的細節\n253049\t279813\t那大的方向就是去照顧這個大林埔這一些無房無屋的這一些人來做更好的一個遷村這個是確實是我們的目的我希望盡力來朝這個方向這件事情上面因為有房有地的其實我們做了很多的努力包括其他的弱勢的我也相信弱勢的我們也都做很多努力但是對於這些的無房無地他可能是住在租來的房子的或者是但是他竟然市居在這個地方\n280413\t305172\t她如果不簽 她一樣在這邊有固定她的生活那我們讓她離開 如果給她手邊充裕的一些些的搬遷的補償金的話我認為整件事情會更圓滿我們不希望未來 將來看到很多的很這個不愉快的一些畫面出現我認為這對於一個美意 政府努力做的美意有可能大打折扣我也希望這個部分 請部長再跟市府溝通我們來妥善把它處理好 是甚至最後1000如果把它做好\n305692\t317237\t他也許經費就是也許是幾億而已也許是一億兩億三億但是有可能讓整件事情圓滿很多謝謝委員的提醒好謝謝那再來我請教一下其實整個經濟狀況大家都很關心那我看服務業整個緊急來回升到明年應該都還是相當強勁吧服務業一直都非常好對所以明年應該會更好明年應該還是維持今年的這樣的一個態勢那製造業的部分我看連續燈號已經16個月來攀升了那明年應該也會更好吧\n336066\t350414\t製造業我們各個行業或者幾個企業我們都會定期去詢問他們在明年的接單的情形跟出口情形那都是正向的一個發展所以明年看來整個因為燈號也連續16個月往好的方向在轉了那看來明年應該整個景氣狀況會越來越好吧\n356698\t376536\t是是好謝謝那我看了一下齁其實這六年其實我們的這個成長齁出口的一個成長六兆這也大概有史以來的第三高齁包括很多重要的我希望經濟部還是要加強去做宣傳是的經濟是人民最有感的我也希望加強宣傳最後一個問題我請教一下啦齁之前的時候周昌豪批評你說這個呃\n378638\t397628\t科長級的啦我完全不認同啦我認為所有的優秀的人才特別是在公家體系培養出來他具有視野具有經驗其實是非常好的人才那我們歷來看來不管是從孫玉璇到蕭暗藏到杜子君到這個沈榮金都是從基層上來都是非常優秀的工藝我一樣認為\n398869\t403891\t部長 王美鳳部長一樣是一個非常優秀的經濟部長部長要不要替公務人員講些話優質優秀的公務人員其實都是很適合擔任國家重要的一些不管是部長或重要的首長謝謝委員的支持跟鼓勵那我想我們長期在公務部門我們不僅要管這個國家的這個大政但是我們對經濟的發展的各個面向那像委員的要求也好那人民的訴求也好我們都要照顧\n427760\t430203\t所以在這幾年來不管是從疫情開始從美中貿易戰吸引這麼多的投資回來到現在我們讓台灣的半導體台灣的伺服器產業成為全球重中之重那這個都是一點一滴我們努力來我想我們持續在努力做這個事情\n445299\t463186\t我自己也擔任過的四年的首長包括經濟新聞局長三年半我很清楚知道當你有縱觀的視野的時候你每天至少開主管會議跟所有的這個首長們都一起開所以部裡的業務是非常的熟悉那具有視野具有格局的時候我認為都是會非常好的部長人選我也希望趙少康這樣的發言其實並不恰當他對於優秀的公務人員對優秀長期培養的其實並不公平我們期待國家未來繼續舉差然後讓更多優質的人員為國家來服務是的謝謝部長\n475230\t475250\t謝謝韋汶\n","txt":"昨天我看到民眾黨總統候選人柯文哲在臉書說彰化的潮間帶插滿了風機,請問部長這是不是事實?\n事實非常明顯就是現在688隻的風機要嘛在陸上要嘛在海上沒有任何一隻是差在潮間帶那因為潮間帶本身也是生態敏感區規定上本來就不可以設置事實上也沒有\n設置在朝鮮帶所以不會有人也不可能法律也不允許在朝鮮帶在這個敏感的地質敏感或生態敏感區去設置這個風機所以這絕對那做一個總統候選人或他的團隊應該很容易查證這事實那為什麼像這樣的訊息會不斷的出來\n我想這個會很容易造成很大的一個錯誤的訊息所以我們經濟部在第一時間務必已經做了理解部長今天我看到的是昨天有做了一些澄清我希望今天部裡面要再繼續強力做澄清了好不好是的是的因為一方面是不要讓不是這個假訊息不確訊息不斷去影響到整個這個民心好像一副好像執政的團隊完全不照顧這個潮間帶連風機都硬把弄上去\n因為以他現在是總統候選人三組候選人他的聲量這麼大這樣子完全蓋過去的話那幾乎等於是有可能是錯誤訊息會造成國人的誤解請今天經營部除了發表外應該也錄一些短片不斷的對外去澄清另外會不會請柯文哲總統候選人把這個修改\n我想他應該要慎重釐清再發言那所以這樣的錯誤我們比較期望他去做修正會不會請柯文哲總統候選人那邊來做修改今天早上我剛剛看上一次電台前還是貼著同樣的貼文貼著昨天發了稿到現在為止沒有做修改部長會不會請柯文哲總統候選人那邊來修改他的這個不實的一些訊息我們是非常希望他能夠修改\n我希望經濟部要有一些動作就是提醒他們要做修改就像當時李洪源一樣很努力的去要求他做了這個以後道歉修改之後他做了修改那這些事情我們假設是他的幕僚的不小心的作業疏失但是要趕快修改不應該我想國家的能源政策、風機政策、再生能源政策或潮間帶的一些保育都是重要的事項不應該這個輕易的用這樣的方式來誤導民眾\n沒錯 好不好 那既然有錯誤就趕快更改好 請經濟部趕快去做要求澄清再來大林埔前村還是要謝謝部長這個大力的來支持那八百億這個行政院已經核定了那整體上面確實給 努力的給鄉親們一個比較好的一個照顧但是裡面其實我還是提到了對於長期市區在這個地方的\n他本身沒有房子也沒有地的那他也許不管是在這邊住了多久從小到大也許念國小國中或者是他離開了去這個故鄉去就學再回來但是他是個市居者在當我們要讓他離開這個地方的時候能不能再多給他一些些的照顧\n現在我知道可能也許只是給她一個十萬塊就請她要搬走當然我知道有一些社會住宅的照顧或什麼的但我講的是就情感上面的話她在長期住在她的故鄉裡面讓她離開了以後至少讓她能夠有一個\n有一些手臂有些充裕的一部分的資金能夠去做一些生活上的調度每個人要離開自己的故鄉是很不得已的那你離開了你政府給個十萬就要他一定要走我覺得這個能不能部長在這一塊也許他人數不多也許一千人也許是吧因為我們要求是四居真正住在這邊的人幾乎都不要如果不是四居我也不要我如果你這個部分照顧的話可以讓整個千村後面的執行做得更完美更順利一點部長同意嗎\n謝謝委員那委員一直在提醒這件事情那也做了很多次的了解跟協調那這個部分我們也會跟高雄市政府針對委員這個明確怎麼明確這個市居這個問題我們會再來跟高雄市政府細談這個很多的細節\n那大的方向就是去照顧這個大林埔這一些無房無屋的這一些人來做更好的一個遷村這個是確實是我們的目的我希望盡力來朝這個方向這件事情上面因為有房有地的其實我們做了很多的努力包括其他的弱勢的我也相信弱勢的我們也都做很多努力但是對於這些的無房無地他可能是住在租來的房子的或者是但是他竟然市居在這個地方\n她如果不簽 她一樣在這邊有固定她的生活那我們讓她離開 如果給她手邊充裕的一些些的搬遷的補償金的話我認為整件事情會更圓滿我們不希望未來 將來看到很多的很這個不愉快的一些畫面出現我認為這對於一個美意 政府努力做的美意有可能大打折扣我也希望這個部分 請部長再跟市府溝通我們來妥善把它處理好 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