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00:02:15,954\n那因為我為什麼會就這一題拿出來跟部長再討論一下因為我看到其實通常我們國防部提供的報告都還是比較廣泛性的政策那我有看到這幾年其實有一個研究的統計它是有就階級或地區跟部隊來看說這個流盈率的一些差別\n\n8\n00:02:16,354 --> 00:02:34,328\n例如說階級裡面上兵的流行率最低地區裡面的話大概是外島最低部隊裡面大概是裝甲跟炮兵部隊較低原因當然每一個人可能會見仁見智這一個報告裡面有寫我們有看到有一些討論裡面就有不一樣的原因但是\n\n9\n00:02:35,649 --> 00:02:57,339\n就剛剛的這三點來講的話大概上兵最低是有提到說可能是工作內容的重複性太高那裝甲炮兵可能是因為是主戰部隊所以他工作跟訓練內容比較重那其他還有一些細節所以我其實是想跟部長建議啦這個其實都是在做研究的人他的看法\n\n10\n00:02:57,719 --> 00:03:17,262\n但我相信如果我們今天真的是就這個階級地域部隊交叉分析的話,我相信部內應該會掌握到更精準的對,那包括可以做一些調查等等,所以這個部分不知道部長本來就有在做嗎?還是說未來其實可以朝這個方向在做比較細緻,而不只是廣泛性的這個流營的提升?\n\n11\n00:03:18,803 --> 00:03:32,592\n這個工作我們一直在做,譬如說我們在主戰兵力部隊,他平常工作各方面的確比較辛苦就拿我個人來講好了,我也是一個戰鬥兵科的成員,從基層到目前,我對當初在基層\n\n12\n00:03:33,873 --> 00:03:48,327\n不同單位,主戰的跟預備的,或者跟後勤的都有差別所以主戰部隊這幾年為什麼我們各方面都給他做一個強化包含地域家級,他的兵科有這種特種家級,專業家級\n\n13\n00:03:50,309 --> 00:04:06,769\n這就可以提升的方法以後我們假如知道更多原因的話也可以以個案來處理也期望大家在這個覺得勞役不均的狀況下但他得到這個權益也應該要有所調整一部分可能是薪資、福利\n\n14\n00:04:07,469 --> 00:04:34,784\n那像剛剛講的這個上賓他可能是工作內容的重複性比較高可能就是調整一些大家的輪胎輪替然後不同的工作性質上面怎麼讓他工作起來的這個成就感再多一點這個可能都是這個未來國防部可以再去做一些研擬交叉分析以後的一些方向因為我想也沒有辦法說每一次這個我們的方式都是給他更高的錢給他更多的薪水當然更高的薪水更高的權益是每一位\n\n15\n00:04:35,965 --> 00:04:59,098\n我們希望留下來每一位的一個基本的做法但我相信這個有他的極限嘛所以最重要是工作也不是說最重要就是說另外一方面是他的工作內容上面怎麼讓他更多的成就感那這個部分我想部長應該可以再多做一些交叉分析後來做一些調整然後第二個部分其實我想也就這個機會跟部長討論一下五年兵力整建計畫\n\n16\n00:05:00,419 --> 00:05:10,136\n因為我們其實每一年都會有一本新的五年兵力整建計畫我也想就這個機會跟部長稍微討論因為時間有限我把我看到這兩年的一個改變\n\n17\n00:05:11,958 --> 00:05:34,985\n我稍微覺得就是我們把一些原則性的東西跟我們明年想要做的事情就把它提早拿來做紀念寫因為其實去年有一段是說以遠距精準機動之作戰需求原則強化防衛韌性組織與打亂作戰節奏逐次削弱其泛彈能力而無法速戰速決我想這個就是比較\n\n18\n00:05:36,085 --> 00:05:56,487\n我覺得這就是一個蠻清楚的一個原則性策略性的一個描述就是說我們的這五年要做的一個方向是這樣那今年有一段我看到我特別看到因為我稍微比較就是說如果只是字面上的有一些修改知乎則也的修改那就沒有什麼關係但其實今年把這個\n\n19\n00:05:57,608 --> 00:06:20,603\n剛剛後面那一段取消後面那一段的強化防衛韌性組織與打亂作戰節奏逐次削弱其販團能力而無法速戰速決有一部分可能可以放在今年新的這個內容裡面,例如說強化作戰韌性,嚇阻敵之入侵這幾句大概剛剛講的可能有一些可以放進去但是我覺得\n\n20\n00:06:22,079 --> 00:06:37,344\n要讓對方無法速戰速決的這一句啊它就是一個策略性的它並不是只是一個句子上面的調整而已那我們改成,今年改成是提升遠距精準、機動、無人化及智慧\n\n21\n00:06:39,060 --> 00:07:02,063\n這個部分反而是比較像是執行面比較像是細部的我個人會覺得是因為我們接著要採買尤其明年要籌建新的這個C4ISR的指管系統所以我們知道明年要買什麼那把它放來今年作為這個策略裡面描述我可以理解這樣做啦但其實我覺得不一定有這個必要因為我們拿掉這個速戰速決\n\n22\n00:07:04,554 --> 00:07:31,751\n我不太相信我們真的會有把這個策略性做一個大的調整反而會讓這個五年的兵力計畫的宏觀性以及它五年的一個具體的一個大的方向上面把它變成縮小了,變成好像只是我們明年要買什麼所以這部分我覺得是不是部長可以先稍微回應一下我跟委員報告,我們國軍有十年艦艇構想五年兵力整建跟每一年都有一個備戰計畫\n\n23\n00:07:33,292 --> 00:07:49,891\n他这个不是讲五年缤整,我们就到五年才修,每一年刚刚委员也点到,每一年我们都在调,所以刚刚委员提的建议,我们也会把它纳入以后调整的一个方向,但成功刚刚委员有讲到,很多执行面的问题,\n\n24\n00:07:50,532 --> 00:08:11,872\n我們也想說今年既然講出來,我們的的確能做到,我想這個是我們目前比較特別強化的地方,以後也會把握原則來做。要不然就是說,隔年修改今年的東西裡面比較關於策略性的,例如說速戰速決不見了,是不是我們真的沒有要做這件事,這個就可以稍微再解釋一下。\n\n25\n00:08:12,372 --> 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買尤其明年要籌建新的這個C4ISR的指管系統所以我們知道明年要買什麼那把它放來今年作為這個策略裡面描述我可以理解這樣做啦但其實我覺得不一定有這個必要因為我們拿掉這個速戰速決\n我不太相信我們真的會有把這個策略性做一個大的調整反而會讓這個五年的兵力計畫的宏觀性以及它五年的一個具體的一個大的方向上面把它變成縮小了,變成好像只是我們明年要買什麼所以這部分我覺得是不是部長可以先稍微回應一下我跟委員報告,我們國軍有十年艦艇構想五年兵力整建跟每一年都有一個備戰計畫\n他这个不是讲五年缤整,我们就到五年才修,每一年刚刚委员也点到,每一年我们都在调,所以刚刚委员提的建议,我们也会把它纳入以后调整的一个方向,但成功刚刚委员有讲到,很多执行面的问题,\n我們也想說今年既然講出來,我們的的確能做到,我想這個是我們目前比較特別強化的地方,以後也會把握原則來做。要不然就是說,隔年修改今年的東西裡面比較關於策略性的,例如說速戰速決不見了,是不是我們真的沒有要做這件事,這個就可以稍微再解釋一下。\n要不然就是把它怎麼融入新的描述裡因為如果只是執行面或是字面上的一些調整其實那個都沒有差嘛那就是看你作文怎麼寫的差別而已字句的差別但如果有一個比較像是策略性的那一整句不見那我不知道外面會怎麼想那我在看報告的時候我總會覺得說這個拿掉要解釋要不然就可能只是把它調整成一個執行面的而已這個部分請部長參考啦謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.129 --> 00:00.851\n主席我們請部長請\n\n00:11.696 --> 00:30.327\n部長早安那我想關於今天的題目裡面比較考古題的就是過去其實在委員會裡面還有在審預算的時候我們常常討論到的都是邊線筆那邊線筆這一題其實我也跟部長就教討論過幾次那原則上當然邊線筆的概念就是說這個\n\n00:33.108 --> 00:56.884\n這個提高這個流盈率那減少不市府這大概就是這兩個重點所以我們這幾年可以看得到在招募率上面已經有提高所以這幾年以來我相信部內的重點也都是怎麼讓少一點人離開所以根據國防部內部的調查評估來講這種流盈率跟不市府的部分部長覺得最主要的一些原因是什麼\n\n00:57.964 --> 01:13.239\n我跟委員報告,很感謝委員對這個問題關切,事實上國際在招募工作方面一直沒有停止過,而且這幾年招募成效也還蠻不錯的。但我們想把人留下來,但有些人他到服役完了以後,他一樣要離開。\n\n01:14.580 --> 01:35.737\n大概都是他有第二道路規劃好的,要離開。所以我們當然要去講軍中等於團體工作,不管從待遇、從福利或平常他應該享有的權益,我們都在檢討、在強化。這幾年在這一方面進展很大。\n\n01:36.457 --> 01:56.230\n但我們也了解,大部分的原因他離開的,都是他另外有下一個規劃有些人提前離開的,但他發覺他的環境適應不良但從這幾方面我們可以得到一個定論,但是我們招募工作不會停歇招募我想這個是一個基本的工作\n\n01:57.031 --> 02:15.954\n那因為我為什麼會就這一題拿出來跟部長再討論一下因為我看到其實通常我們國防部提供的報告都還是比較廣泛性的政策那我有看到這幾年其實有一個研究的統計它是有就階級或地區跟部隊來看說這個流盈率的一些差別\n\n02:16.354 --> 02:34.328\n例如說階級裡面上兵的流行率最低地區裡面的話大概是外島最低部隊裡面大概是裝甲跟炮兵部隊較低原因當然每一個人可能會見仁見智這一個報告裡面有寫我們有看到有一些討論裡面就有不一樣的原因但是\n\n02:35.649 --> 02:57.339\n就剛剛的這三點來講的話大概上兵最低是有提到說可能是工作內容的重複性太高那裝甲炮兵可能是因為是主戰部隊所以他工作跟訓練內容比較重那其他還有一些細節所以我其實是想跟部長建議啦這個其實都是在做研究的人他的看法\n\n02:57.719 --> 03:17.262\n但我相信如果我們今天真的是就這個階級地域部隊交叉分析的話,我相信部內應該會掌握到更精準的對,那包括可以做一些調查等等,所以這個部分不知道部長本來就有在做嗎?還是說未來其實可以朝這個方向在做比較細緻,而不只是廣泛性的這個流營的提升?\n\n03:18.803 --> 03:32.592\n這個工作我們一直在做,譬如說我們在主戰兵力部隊,他平常工作各方面的確比較辛苦就拿我個人來講好了,我也是一個戰鬥兵科的成員,從基層到目前,我對當初在基層\n\n03:33.873 --> 03:48.327\n不同單位,主戰的跟預備的,或者跟後勤的都有差別所以主戰部隊這幾年為什麼我們各方面都給他做一個強化包含地域家級,他的兵科有這種特種家級,專業家級\n\n03:50.309 --> 04:06.769\n這就可以提升的方法以後我們假如知道更多原因的話也可以以個案來處理也期望大家在這個覺得勞役不均的狀況下但他得到這個權益也應該要有所調整一部分可能是薪資、福利\n\n04:07.469 --> 04:34.784\n那像剛剛講的這個上賓他可能是工作內容的重複性比較高可能就是調整一些大家的輪胎輪替然後不同的工作性質上面怎麼讓他工作起來的這個成就感再多一點這個可能都是這個未來國防部可以再去做一些研擬交叉分析以後的一些方向因為我想也沒有辦法說每一次這個我們的方式都是給他更高的錢給他更多的薪水當然更高的薪水更高的權益是每一位\n\n04:35.965 --> 04:59.098\n我們希望留下來每一位的一個基本的做法但我相信這個有他的極限嘛所以最重要是工作也不是說最重要就是說另外一方面是他的工作內容上面怎麼讓他更多的成就感那這個部分我想部長應該可以再多做一些交叉分析後來做一些調整然後第二個部分其實我想也就這個機會跟部長討論一下五年兵力整建計畫\n\n05:00.419 --> 05:10.136\n因為我們其實每一年都會有一本新的五年兵力整建計畫我也想就這個機會跟部長稍微討論因為時間有限我把我看到這兩年的一個改變\n\n05:11.958 --> 05:34.985\n我稍微覺得就是我們把一些原則性的東西跟我們明年想要做的事情就把它提早拿來做紀念寫因為其實去年有一段是說以遠距精準機動之作戰需求原則強化防衛韌性組織與打亂作戰節奏逐次削弱其泛彈能力而無法速戰速決我想這個就是比較\n\n05:36.085 --> 05:56.487\n我覺得這就是一個蠻清楚的一個原則性策略性的一個描述就是說我們的這五年要做的一個方向是這樣那今年有一段我看到我特別看到因為我稍微比較就是說如果只是字面上的有一些修改知乎則也的修改那就沒有什麼關係但其實今年把這個\n\n05:57.608 --> 06:20.603\n剛剛後面那一段取消後面那一段的強化防衛韌性組織與打亂作戰節奏逐次削弱其販團能力而無法速戰速決有一部分可能可以放在今年新的這個內容裡面,例如說強化作戰韌性,嚇阻敵之入侵這幾句大概剛剛講的可能有一些可以放進去但是我覺得\n\n06:22.079 --> 06:37.344\n要讓對方無法速戰速決的這一句啊它就是一個策略性的它並不是只是一個句子上面的調整而已那我們改成,今年改成是提升遠距精準、機動、無人化及智慧\n\n06:39.060 --> 07:02.063\n這個部分反而是比較像是執行面比較像是細部的我個人會覺得是因為我們接著要採買尤其明年要籌建新的這個C4ISR的指管系統所以我們知道明年要買什麼那把它放來今年作為這個策略裡面描述我可以理解這樣做啦但其實我覺得不一定有這個必要因為我們拿掉這個速戰速決\n\n07:04.554 --> 07:31.751\n我不太相信我們真的會有把這個策略性做一個大的調整反而會讓這個五年的兵力計畫的宏觀性以及它五年的一個具體的一個大的方向上面把它變成縮小了,變成好像只是我們明年要買什麼所以這部分我覺得是不是部長可以先稍微回應一下我跟委員報告,我們國軍有十年艦艇構想五年兵力整建跟每一年都有一個備戰計畫\n\n07:33.292 --> 07:49.891\n他这个不是讲五年缤整,我们就到五年才修,每一年刚刚委员也点到,每一年我们都在调,所以刚刚委员提的建议,我们也会把它纳入以后调整的一个方向,但成功刚刚委员有讲到,很多执行面的问题,\n\n07:50.532 --> 08:11.872\n我們也想說今年既然講出來,我們的的確能做到,我想這個是我們目前比較特別強化的地方,以後也會把握原則來做。要不然就是說,隔年修改今年的東西裡面比較關於策略性的,例如說速戰速決不見了,是不是我們真的沒有要做這件事,這個就可以稍微再解釋一下。\n\n08:12.372 --> 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