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00:01:02,835\n雖然每年都有調整我們現在基本上112年度每位士兵每個月的伙食費用大概是2913元也就每一個人平均一天的伙食費用是97.1一餐大約是32.3元這個是我從你們的數字裡面去分析出來的然後呢其實他每天的三餐吃得到的費用基本上\n\n4\n00:01:03,755 --> 00:01:24,531\n是不到一百塊沒錯我們因為是大量採購我們的大量採購我們的材料物材還有我們所有的原物料都可以這個降低所以降低的話可能跟一般外面的食材又不太一樣價格又不太一樣可是確實是量\n\n5\n00:01:26,132 --> 00:01:51,175\n我覺得大家在授訓當中這些我們的藝男說真的他們都是剛好又要授訓然後又在發育反正很多的狀況其實我想他是需要更多的一些補充所以這個部分雖然我必須強調我們每年都有調整\n\n6\n00:01:52,386 --> 00:02:08,220\n可是我們的調整其實比不上物價所以我們是不是可以自己訂一個如果說可以隨著物價的調整去做這個條幅可能這個比例會比較準確一點好不好部長我們可不可以這樣的\n\n7\n00:02:09,470 --> 00:02:38,491\n這個思考的方向我跟橫桿局委員注意到這一塊事實上國軍的火稅一般聽到有一個月三千不到沒有錯九十多塊錢一百塊不到要吃三餐外面是難以想像的但國軍辦火燒有個要領我們第一個人員有多少人起火我們把他管制住可能有100個人的費用可能當天假日的時候只留了一半人但這個錢一樣是投注在裡面的這第一個第二個\n\n8\n00:02:39,572 --> 00:03:02,473\n工本費,人員的運作費用就可以節約,所以早期講火防兵做支部隊服役的人,後來就強調不能這樣子,他這個服役歸服役,火防從外包,所以這個錢就增加,但我們國民調整的方法,剛剛委員講到逐年增加,再怎麼追,追不到,但伴火是個要領,\n\n9\n00:03:03,354 --> 00:03:10,041\n我們買的這些水果或是食材都以應景的大量的在外比較經濟一點而且我們量比較大我們採購也會相對比外面便宜這是一定的但是確實是我們整個物價\n\n10\n00:03:19,631 --> 00:03:42,802\n物價的調漲確實是在這幾年看到那個比例所以我覺得說部長我們可以自己訂讓家長也可以安心因為未來我們其實是已經是一起改為一年了從明年開始所以我們在這一塊讓家長更安心說沒有問題我們在未來的伙食我們會依照\n\n11\n00:03:43,882 --> 00:04:00,957\n現在目前的物價指數隨時去做調整這樣子的家長也會比較安心一點所以這個部分再麻煩那第二個部分就是說我們現在兵役延長的配套還有準備現況現在準備的如何\n\n12\n00:04:01,482 --> 00:04:20,947\n我跟委員報告,去年從公布以後,設計公布之前,我有很多的專案編署已經編成了。我跟他們講說,公告要一年落實,明年1月1號開始。但這一年當中,我們對各營區,從住到訓,這些場地都不斷地在那邊檢查,而且驗證。\n\n13\n00:04:22,987 --> 00:04:50,094\n那有些地方已经有叫召部队这边用了这将来也是那我们这个啊这个要准备训练当中的一个一环所以我跟委员报告在同步在做而且我们还蛮有把握就明年因为我们初步了解大概会招待九千多人而且第一季的大概将六百个左右啊我们这些拿几个单位接场地在哪里示范我都亲自去看\n\n14\n00:04:51,454 --> 00:05:06,282\n部長這個部分我有去調你們的資料啦就是說未來在一月份一月份我們要招收我們這些一年一期的這個新兵的部分第一批的部分你預計是多少人\n\n15\n00:05:07,563 --> 00:05:24,057\n大概600人左右那原本有一些營區我們可能本來是考慮到7月才要接這一年期的新兵但是有些營區好像往前提早了是不是那提前因為他平常也可以住用\n\n16\n00:05:24,810 --> 00:05:48,309\n沒有但是這個要比較小心的部分就是說因為如果在這個營區當中有四個月疫期的冰有一年疫期的冰我覺得這個部分我們要做一個調整我覺得一年疫期的冰就歸一年疫期的冰四個月疫期的冰就歸四個月疫期的冰因為這個他們的一個生活做起其實會有所不同\n\n17\n00:05:49,819 --> 00:06:05,625\n會有所不同所以在作息有所不同的話其實為了在大家整個在訓練過程會比較順遂我覺得這個思考的邏輯一定要注意這個是其實是我們在\n\n18\n00:06:06,125 --> 00:06:32,540\n基層當中聽很多的家長的建議就是說怎麼樣把未來因為我看的資料確實是好像有一些提早就是說有時候四年這個在訓練營區當中有四個月的這個一男也有一年的一男但他們在整個包括在訓練的作業其實是完全不同的\n\n19\n00:06:33,922 --> 00:06:53,757\n這個真的要提醒說怎麼樣把這個SOP做好那我的建議是就是一年因為我們營區其實就像部長所說的我們其實準備從我們開始決定要去延長一年疫情的時候我們就已經有做好一些準備了\n\n20\n00:06:54,497 --> 00:07:23,176\n那既然有做好準備其實我們更應該把完整性就一年一期的完整性跟四個月一期的完整性做一個分別的處理這樣子可能在所謂的帶兵包括我們的這些長官會比較好去做管理這個其實是很重要的喔部長你了解我的意思嗎但是因為過去可能是這個方向\n\n21\n00:07:24,537 --> 00:07:50,232\n最近好像有做調整好像在營區當中有做調整但我覺得還是有些比較不妥的地方因為我的調資料我有看到所以這個部分部長是不是有可能做一下這個重新的檢討把SOP訂好可能會讓我們的訓練會更完整讓所有藝男的整個心情調整會更好\n\n22\n00:07:50,583 --> 00:08:18,955\n所以我跟委員報又很粗略去講說基本上明年開始入伍的時間原本四個月是五週嘛現在通通改成八週但以後訓完入伍以後呢到了營區裡面它是沒有滾邊是分開的一年一期的是一個單位四個月的還是其他分到各個單位去我們也避免啊委員剛剛講到幹部一帶有四個月的有一年的這帶法是不一樣的客戶也不一樣\n\n23\n00:08:19,275 --> 00:08:33,884\n可是你在同一個營區沒錯你們現在的訓練有做分別制度的一個調整可是同樣在一個營區很難去做那麼完整的分別跟區隔\n\n24\n00:08:35,198 --> 00:08:54,389\n這個是我小小的提醒跟叮嚀應該你們自己也知道我在說什麼樣的一個部分因為你們都這樣一路這樣子從基層上來很清楚現在每一個異難清理的想法還有家長所擔憂的部分所以我們所講包括剛剛這個伙食費的部分也是好多個家長因為家長會跟我們反映嘛說他們問小孩子習不習慣小孩子回來說\n\n25\n00:09:04,935 --> 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