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00:01:18,543\n不當掩埋的掩蓋的工具所以今天就是希望經濟部能夠了解這個問題然後了解如果說我們把它國有化國有化能夠來阻止避免這個不當的情到那部長你認為這個做法上或者是說在台北港我們目前有開放\n\n4\n00:01:20,184 --> 00:01:35,817\n營建土石坊的這個比較不必到土質上去那這個制度面我們怎麼樣來做更進一步改善能夠讓這樣的做法能夠更普遍\n\n5\n00:01:37,628 --> 00:01:52,204\n謝謝委員那我的了解是委員也有在這陣子針對這個希望能夠朝這個方向來走那這個部分後續呢行政院會邀請這個經濟部內政部等等會來討論怎麼樣做好更好的管理是\n\n6\n00:01:56,908 --> 00:02:19,446\n所以就是說未來會有更妥適的做法部長再請教因為我剛從COP28的會議回來這一次我們知道明天COP28就要結束目前有幾個方向就是包括再生能源希望能夠有\n\n7\n00:02:21,779 --> 00:02:28,604\n變成到2030年有變成現在的三倍那部長你覺得這個部分我們做得到嗎\n\n8\n00:02:29,531 --> 00:02:32,573\n謝謝委員那確實再生能源是這一個一百二十幾個國家的這個共識那這個跟本部或者台灣在推動再生能源是一樣的方向所以再生能源上來之後現在已經增加為七倍但是相對的我們還是有很大的空間要去努力所以再生能源我想應該是\n\n9\n00:02:54,284 --> 00:02:58,527\n大家不要用政治的角度來看而是這個是台灣一定要做那企業的需求也是很大所以在2030年的企業的需求面我們持續盤點那確實是被國際上的供應內的要求也好被國際社會的要求也好應該都是要加大來發展再生能源\n\n10\n00:03:14,917 --> 00:03:18,721\n這次也有22國參與國,其中大部分都是地域國提出核能的問題,核能加倍的問題但是他們在說明裡面也說能夠妥善的處理和廢料\n\n11\n00:03:35,456 --> 00:03:40,241\n才去這個進行這樣子的主張那部長你認為我們現在的核廢料的處理已經妥善可以完成了嗎這個就是台灣的問題也比較難以解決的問題那不要講遠的我們現在連核二的\n\n12\n00:03:57,089 --> 00:04:03,753\n這個乾除設施的證照都還沒有完全拿到所以也都還沒有開始來實施那所以在台灣的部分一個是安全一個是核廢料的問題那在22國的這個提議裡面確實也提到說要把核廢料這個處理好那載著這個22國的提議最主要是對未來核能\n\n13\n00:04:18,403 --> 00:04:24,724\n還有融資的部分可以得到國際這個金融業的支持等等那我想我們對未來的這個核能的技術呢是開放的態度也會密切來觀察那如果在這個廢料的這個部分能夠有比較好的處理的話所以我們目前絕對沒有辦法去處理這些核廢料尤其是高階的這個核廢料對不對\n\n14\n00:04:45,969 --> 00:05:09,350\n現在目前的狀況就是連核二的部分都但是部長你了解這個實際上的困難是什麼核二的這個乾式儲存的問題現在的困難是什麼呢我想這個部分都涉及到中央跟地方的規範那目前是我們地方的相關的核准的各項的證照都還沒有完全拿到所以這個是個問題\n\n15\n00:05:10,691 --> 00:05:30,071\n好所以是地方政府的證照那個核准的這個使用執照還沒有給嘛對它那個土石採取的相關的證好那COVID-28還有一個很重要的議題就是在2030年每年喔每年的這個能源效率能夠提升一倍嘛好那這個我們做得到嗎\n\n16\n00:05:31,092 --> 00:05:55,306\n這個部分台灣應該是有做到因為能源效率的部分其實我們這個部分雖然我們目前的用電還在增加但是因為我們的能源效率是好的所以跟國際上比我們的能源效率是沒有問題的不過這一次德國應該是他們一個團體所做出來我們的評比我們的指標永續指標評比是退步退步好幾名\n\n17\n00:06:00,569 --> 00:06:18,695\n但是我是看到這個情形可能是我們的工業的這個碳排還是很多那這個部分就是產業轉型的問題我們經濟部是不是還要更加油否則我們的碳排應該都下不來\n\n18\n00:06:19,962 --> 00:06:41,671\n這個有好幾個問題那不同的這個評估的單位他的那個指標不太一樣那這個的一直對台灣的評比都非常後面甚至在我們後面還有加拿大還有韓國那所以他的相關的指標的部分那其實都環境部都有做過相關的說明但是不論如何對台灣來講我們還是要積極來做相關的檢探工作\n\n19\n00:06:45,812 --> 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