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00:01:54,311\n那第二個呢對未來的不是每個國家都同意的是那對未來的這個核能事實上我們也都很關心相關未來的發展那台灣核能的兩個問題一個是足不足夠安全一個是核廢料怎麼處理所以未來的技術我們都密切觀察那如果能夠產出很少的廢料甚至沒有廢料這種的核融合技術那我們其實都是會樂觀其成\n\n7\n00:02:18,985 --> 00:02:23,966\n所以對台灣來講的話台灣其實我們目前的現狀就是光現在的這個核二機組的相關核廢料的要去蓋這個乾除的設施都還沒有拿到證照那所以其實台灣應該是要務實來面對這些問題那也真的應該中央地方大家應該一起合作所以有些在野黨說那如果他們當選會重啟核四你覺得從技術上是可行嗎?有可能嗎?\n\n8\n00:02:49,063 --> 00:02:51,126\n核四的部分其實我們說過很多次它不僅是有潛在地質需要調查那核四因為在建的這個過程那確實是這個比較拼湊式的發包那所以造成現在完成的部分\n\n9\n00:03:06,204 --> 00:03:33,914\n事實上原來的廠商也都解散了那它的這個中央電腦的這個部分事實上是沒有完成就已經沒有了核四重起的機率幾乎趨近於零這是我們認為是在安全上是不太可能的另外就是說參考鄰近國家比方日本南韓的做法他們對未來核能的看法跟政策有沒有什麼相關的這個新的做法\n\n10\n00:03:34,927 --> 00:03:59,005\n他們在這個日本因為確實在這個福島之後那因為核機組停了那讓他們電力不夠所以日本有讓一些電力在恢復因為他使用期限也還沒有到所以讓他恢復那韓國的部分因為也確實在發展他們的核能產業那另外其實地質環境我們跟韓國相對韓國是比較穩定\n\n11\n00:04:04,189 --> 00:04:19,558\n對比我們穩定所以第一個他在發展核能的技術第二個他的地質比較穩定所以韓國就也說要還是有核能的技術那我想我們對未來的核能的部分的新技術我們都會密切來觀察\n\n12\n00:04:20,970 --> 00:04:44,835\n那立委之前我請教您關於這個台積電1.4奈米的這個建廠計畫當然這個很多縣市都希望在爭取當然在爭取過程中是一定比區委的條件那個條件比較好當然這個高雄應當目前為止本期的了解應該是首選其實應該是嘉義吧其實才是嘉義啦\n\n13\n00:04:47,646 --> 00:05:06,624\n對啦就說定了謝謝邱委員的抵擋首選是高雄啦就是說從水電然後地質環境跟交通然後跟這個產業居如來看那個目前有沒有已經定案了跟委員報告事實上就現在的這個這個我們\n\n14\n00:05:09,133 --> 00:05:33,585\n中游的這塊地目前再蓋一個場那是二奈米往北一點就喬克科學園區的第二期那個部分大概也是台南土地大概有一百多公頃原本是爭取要做產業園區但是現在這個市政府希望說能夠先超前部署預先規劃做喬克第二期這個你們也同意那你們另外一塊要補給我就產業園區另外一塊補給我\n\n15\n00:05:38,467 --> 00:05:54,752\n未來是不是把那個區塊視為作為二奈米的一個建廠的預定地我想市政府跟我們地方有很強烈的需求有強烈的希望那我們也都準備好了水電各方面都沒有問題\n\n16\n00:05:55,852 --> 00:06:24,825\n那未來台積電是不是有朝這個方向去思考或規劃這個也取決於這個主管機關的意見如果部長或者經濟部能夠推薦或者支持往這個方向我想他們有2奈米再加1.4奈米產業聚落成型那對高雄成為未來的這個S郎代半導體S郎代或者是高雄市成為未來的護國城市這非常重要\n\n17\n00:06:25,365 --> 00:06:29,027\n目前部長您的看法是怎麼樣謝謝委員確實未來的一點是要設在哪裡有幾個大方向一個是廠商的佈局第二個部分是相關的客觀條件包括土地水電當然第三個還有包括地方的支持所以這幾個條件都不可或缺我想委員極力推薦這個我們都一定會在評估的時候會反映出來\n\n18\n00:06:53,702 --> 00:07:06,170\n樂觀其成我們都會反映出來嘉義也不錯高雄還是首選為什麼要爭第二名因為他可能有兩個賞我想每一個城市都在競爭\n\n19\n00:07:11,813 --> 00:07:38,048\n還是以台積電他們建廠的需求跟規劃為主但我們還是希望說能夠協助金融部能夠協助特別是不管是嘉義或者是高雄我們都是在南台灣南台灣嘉義可以未來成為跟台南高雄成為一個產業聚會也可以但高雄也更不錯了所以我們大家一起努力好謝謝文\n\n20\n00:07:41,085 --> 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目前再蓋一個場那是二奈米 往北一點就喬克科學園區的第二期那個部分大概也是台南土地大概有一百多公頃原本是爭取要做產業園區但是現在這個市政府希望說能夠先超前部署預先規劃做喬克第二期這個你們也同意那你們另外一塊要補給我就產業園區另外一塊補給我\n338467\t354752\t未來是不是把那個區塊視為作為二奈米的一個建廠的預定地我想市政府跟我們地方有很強烈的需求有強烈的希望那我們也都準備好了水電各方面都沒有問題\n355852\t384825\t那未來台積電是不是有朝這個方向去思考或規劃這個也取決於這個主管機關的意見如果部長或者經濟部能夠推薦或者支持往這個方向我想他們有2奈米再加1.4奈米產業聚落成型那對高雄成為未來的這個S郎代半導體S郎代或者是高雄市成為未來的護國城市這非常重要\n385365\t389027\t目前部長您的看法是怎麼樣謝謝委員確實未來的一點是要設在哪裡有幾個大方向一個是廠商的佈局第二個部分是相關的客觀條件包括土地水電當然第三個還有包括地方的支持所以這幾個條件都不可或缺我想委員極力推薦這個我們都一定會在評估的時候會反映出來\n413702\t426170\t樂觀其成我們都會反映出來嘉義也不錯高雄還是首選為什麼要爭第二名因為他可能有兩個賞我想每一個城市都在競爭\n431813\t458048\t還是以台積電他們建廠的需求跟規劃為主但我們還是希望說能夠協助金融部能夠協助特別是不管是嘉義或者是高雄我們都是在南台灣南台灣嘉義可以未來成為跟台南高雄成為一個產業聚會也可以但高雄也更不錯了所以我們大家一起努力好 謝謝文\n461085\t461106\t好\n","txt":"來,謝謝主席,來請那個王部長請部長\n部長雖然選舉投票剩下一個月但是還是要堅守崗位是一定要服務員的工作一定不會受到選舉任何的影響該來我就是會來該質詢還是要質詢該審查法案還是要審查法案今天第一個問題請教部長就是說有些對核能的想法\n像這個全球對核能的見解或者這個對未來趨勢有不同的看法特別是這個歐盟把這個視為綠電的一部分那核能可能跟過去的核能有不同的樣態不同的方式那不是像過去核一核二核三核四這種\n那可能它未來安全性會更足夠那未來呢我們在能源轉型過程中有沒有可能調整政策把這個未來的核能視為未來這個發電的選項之一或者未來的核能視為這個綠電的一部分有沒有可能朝這個方向\n第一個歐盟其實它是把它核能當作永續能源分裂它最主要是在針對銀行在講永續的時候對核能的機組能不能做相關的貸款等等歐盟是在這個部分得出一個比較肯定的一個結論但是我們理解他們在討論過程其實爭議也是很大\n那第二個呢對未來的不是每個國家都同意的是那對未來的這個核能事實上我們也都很關心相關未來的發展那台灣核能的兩個問題一個是足不足夠安全一個是核廢料怎麼處理所以未來的技術我們都密切觀察那如果能夠產出很少的廢料甚至沒有廢料這種的核融合技術那我們其實都是會樂觀其成\n所以對台灣來講的話台灣其實我們目前的現狀就是光現在的這個核二機組的相關核廢料的要去蓋這個乾除的設施都還沒有拿到證照那所以其實台灣應該是要務實來面對這些問題那也真的應該中央地方大家應該一起合作所以有些在野黨說那如果他們當選會重啟核四你覺得從技術上是可行嗎?有可能嗎?\n核四的部分其實我們說過很多次它不僅是有潛在地質需要調查那核四因為在建的這個過程那確實是這個比較拼湊式的發包那所以造成現在完成的部分\n事實上原來的廠商也都解散了那它的這個中央電腦的這個部分事實上是沒有完成就已經沒有了核四重起的機率幾乎趨近於零這是我們認為是在安全上是不太可能的另外就是說參考鄰近國家比方日本南韓的做法他們對未來核能的看法跟政策有沒有什麼相關的這個新的做法\n他們在這個日本因為確實在這個福島之後那因為核機組停了那讓他們電力不夠所以日本有讓一些電力在恢復因為他使用期限也還沒有到所以讓他恢復那韓國的部分因為也確實在發展他們的核能產業那另外其實地質環境我們跟韓國相對韓國是比較穩定\n對比我們穩定所以第一個他在發展核能的技術第二個他的地質比較穩定所以韓國就也說要還是有核能的技術那我想我們對未來的核能的部分的新技術我們都會密切來觀察\n那立委之前我請教您關於這個台積電1.4奈米的這個建廠計畫當然這個很多縣市都希望在爭取當然在爭取過程中是一定比區委的條件那個條件比較好當然這個高雄應當目前為止本期的了解應該是首選其實應該是嘉義吧其實才是嘉義啦\n對啦就說定了謝謝邱委員的抵擋首選是高雄啦就是說從水電然後地質環境跟交通然後跟這個產業居如來看那個目前有沒有已經定案了跟委員報告事實上就現在的這個這個我們\n中游的這塊地 目前再蓋一個場那是二奈米 往北一點就喬克科學園區的第二期那個部分大概也是台南土地大概有一百多公頃原本是爭取要做產業園區但是現在這個市政府希望說能夠先超前部署預先規劃做喬克第二期這個你們也同意那你們另外一塊要補給我就產業園區另外一塊補給我\n未來是不是把那個區塊視為作為二奈米的一個建廠的預定地我想市政府跟我們地方有很強烈的需求有強烈的希望那我們也都準備好了水電各方面都沒有問題\n那未來台積電是不是有朝這個方向去思考或規劃這個也取決於這個主管機關的意見如果部長或者經濟部能夠推薦或者支持往這個方向我想他們有2奈米再加1.4奈米產業聚落成型那對高雄成為未來的這個S郎代半導體S郎代或者是高雄市成為未來的護國城市這非常重要\n目前部長您的看法是怎麼樣謝謝委員確實未來的一點是要設在哪裡有幾個大方向一個是廠商的佈局第二個部分是相關的客觀條件包括土地水電當然第三個還有包括地方的支持所以這幾個條件都不可或缺我想委員極力推薦這個我們都一定會在評估的時候會反映出來\n樂觀其成我們都會反映出來嘉義也不錯高雄還是首選為什麼要爭第二名因為他可能有兩個賞我想每一個城市都在競爭\n還是以台積電他們建廠的需求跟規劃為主但我們還是希望說能夠協助金融部能夠協助特別是不管是嘉義或者是高雄我們都是在南台灣南台灣嘉義可以未來成為跟台南高雄成為一個產業聚會也可以但高雄也更不錯了所以我們大家一起努力好 謝謝文\n好\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.189 --> 00:00.990\n來,謝謝主席,來請那個王部長請部長\n\n00:20.411 --> 00:43.046\n部長雖然選舉投票剩下一個月但是還是要堅守崗位是一定要服務員的工作一定不會受到選舉任何的影響該來我就是會來該質詢還是要質詢該審查法案還是要審查法案今天第一個問題請教部長就是說有些對核能的想法\n\n00:44.187 --> 01:03.872\n像這個全球對核能的見解或者這個對未來趨勢有不同的看法特別是這個歐盟把這個視為綠電的一部分那核能可能跟過去的核能有不同的樣態不同的方式那不是像過去核一核二核三核四這種\n\n01:05.526 --> 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