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00:01:01,633\n委員您是專家我想我們自己的看法也是差不多這個樣子差不多2020才有個blackevent至少不是專家都blackevent至少有一家吧有一家可以blackevent這個你這樣看就是你當初我們為什麼要開放呢最小時髦我給你個數字美國在1995年到2001年總共500多家的網營\n\n4\n00:01:09,648 --> 00:01:35,761\n結果2005年中間就各個10年而已還在持續營運的不到10家從500減為10家這是美國的例子就代表存網營你剛才都是來解釋一些如果沒有其他的業務你還是說存款、販款只是說我透過網路操作比較方便\n\n5\n00:01:38,032 --> 00:02:02,672\n那你要跟傳統的銀行競爭都很難競爭因為銀行傳統銀行裡面也有也可以用網路操作啊對不對是對啊所以就是裡面有Niche我就看不到除外的Niche在哪裡那些孩子生出來的就現在看起來感不大我不知道你心裡有什麼感受你會不會覺得有一點難過的感覺會不會\n\n6\n00:02:05,523 --> 00:02:29,845\n我想我們覺得應該要繼續努力但是目前這個情況也並沒有特別的出乎意外因為本來就是一開始成立的時候它有很多資訊的成本還有一些相關的建制的成本所以你是不是說這三家都需要增資今年就有在增資\n\n7\n00:02:30,626 --> 00:02:58,252\n你也可能需要增資看起來但是增資的幅度可能就我們期待不會像過去那麼多是啊我的意思我重點在強調就是說如果全網的match跟傳統銀行的網路操作可以這樣子那他就被打死了啊他根本一點競爭力都沒有啊主要是因為人想不通陳萬宜他怎麼活他怎麼活\n\n8\n00:03:00,323 --> 00:03:21,082\n因為跟您報告除非一個我個人想的除非一個存保很厲害把你的錢拿進來他替你去投資可是這個要存物的同意啊我是定存的我是活存的你把我拿去投資還經過我同意耶除非你販售很多金融商品\n\n9\n00:03:22,063 --> 00:03:32,637\n你找人家操作很會操作的包括來我這裡都可以買到這個收益很高的這樣的菌的產品除了這樣子我真的活不了啊對不對\n\n10\n00:03:34,995 --> 00:03:57,895\n其實當初三家純網營來申請的時候主要一個模式都是生態系每一家網營後面都有些特質有的是電信、有的是社群媒體這些強處都沒有發揮到我們再看2017年那時候行政院總教賴清德\n\n11\n00:04:00,668 --> 00:04:10,015\n遠東銀行遭到駭客入侵來清德那做了一件一件事情要銀行賠銀行要我賠喔\n\n12\n00:04:15,625 --> 00:04:42,673\n來請問你純老營可不可以要求預備賠償金因為現在台灣的治安不安全嘛台灣的治安我們世界上隨時被駭客被駭然後都很便宜被賣掉所以純老營被駭的機會是比一般的營養更高你有沒有要求他預備賠償金有沒有目前沒有但是跟您報告可不可以考慮\n\n13\n00:04:44,059 --> 00:04:44,480\n就是要賠的\n\n14\n00:04:59,909 --> 00:05:20,325\n那資安有沒有人測試?有沒有人測試向你講報告?拜訪員您是專家啦全法院No.1就是資安風險、流動性風險、信譽風險這些都非常有七大風險現在看到網路詐騙、廣告、橫行下班時間假日更會猖獗我就問一個問題監管會有沒有專職的稽查單位\n\n15\n00:05:27,139 --> 00:05:40,829\n或機場人員下班假日去看一看去看一看說不定我們的主委你的頭被害了也被冒用了拿去說黃天牧說怎麼投資可以賺錢等等的這個\n\n16\n00:05:42,633 --> 00:06:09,139\n這個有發生過我是跟您報告我們的周邊單位都有監督所有網路上的這上面投資詐騙的訊息那我們政協局也有同仁他每天接受外界的一些案件需要兩個平台下架就下架通報相關警政單位通報警政機關都有相關的建制你們要不要把這個結果定期對外公佈\n\n17\n00:06:10,031 --> 00:06:17,396\n有啊我們上禮拜就有公佈現在來講外界會覺得說奇怪蘇貞昌當院長時代打架國家隊14億陳建能打架的這個叫什麼隊啊13億\n\n18\n00:06:30,415 --> 00:06:41,619\n這個陳院長是辦公室蘇院長是國家隊兩個加起來27億怎麼越打越多怎麼這個樣子呢今年11月投資照片就710件超越\n\n19\n00:06:46,101 --> 00:07:04,761\n2000年就是去年的全年度金管會我看到一則報導說你們跟Meta就是Facebook啦Google建立一個投資詐騙廣告修正下架機制你要不要講一下這個機制我這個其實也是有緣的感謝有緣的支持啦就是如果我們有\n\n20\n00:07:06,957 --> 00:07:23,964\n有看到這個有被在網路上或是有人申報他被在平台上有這種不當的詐騙行為我們就通透過這個管道要求這兩個平台下架他們必須在24小時內下架如果不下架巡視局那邊就會對他要求要求他改善或懲處\n\n21\n00:07:25,431 --> 00:07:46,244\n現在外界對台灣的詐騙這麼的狠行其實就瞄準幾個單位其中就是監管會因為一直管聽的在你受傷最有可能你工具很多啊你要幫忙是可以幫忙的另外我想今天是常委會最後一個委員會\n\n22\n00:07:47,825 --> 00:07:56,712\n所以你任期到5月19繼續在哪裡那你現在到5月19之前最想做的一件事情是什麼穩定資本市場\n\n23\n00:08:15,877 --> 00:08:20,559\n基本面賺不賺錢還有政府政策會不會影響政府的政策\n\n24\n00:08:42,982 --> 00:09:11,478\n產業政策各方面貨幣政策還有國際政經情況的變化這個國際政經就是國內都有只是成分的多少而已這個因素很多就像您所指的我們是主權獨立國家這個會不會影響股市百分比我們一向都是主權獨立國家這個會不會影響股市百分比因為這樣我們表現特別好\n\n25\n00:09:13,232 --> 00:09:30,438\n我覺得股市基本上就是一個國家它的經濟發展的櫥窗來我們來看賴清德院長說朝越港股是因為台灣有主權香港沒有\n\n26\n00:09:31,707 --> 00:09:47,375\n我想老半天我想奇怪就是你講的基本面的業績好不好等等的當然我也高興台灣超過香港我們鼓掌好不好當然是我今天就問了checkedGPT就把他問一下\n\n27\n00:09:48,636 --> 00:10:10,721\n他說台股超過港股表現通常與台灣主權沒有直接關聯有關係的就是基本面企業的業績政府的政策國際環境一國的主權不是直接影響股市表現的主要因素嗎這個老實講\n\n28\n00:10:17,065 --> 00:10:34,123\n這個賴副總統他要怎麼樣去主張他的台獨思想我們都沒有意見尊重台獨尊敬到底台獨到底都沒有意見但是不需要連這個也把這個主權扯在一起早就主權早就用了過去香港都贏跑龍\n\n29\n00:10:36,145 --> 00:10:59,026\n台灣香港有沒有主權啊怎麼現在台灣早就有主權了中華民國主權早就是在那裡在那裡國際表現都比較差現在好了就是因為我們有主權這個邏輯都不通了我們覺得非常不通的一件事那你剛才回答也是等於間接的間接不同意我們賴副總統所講的話最後一個\n\n30\n00:11:02,010 --> 00:11:08,080\n可能不能這樣引申,因為他作為一個說明,應該有後面的論述,可能我們要了解他的論述\n\n31\n00:11:09,241 --> 00:11:31,968\n他的論述就是因為主權啊有主權所以表現好啊那過去表現不好為什麼也是有主權啊這不通啦我說這個邏輯不通啦另外他講到一個他講到說因為台灣經濟果實全民共享香港沒有他講到這個那我們就看啊這個最重要是什麼受雇人員的薪資除以GDP的比例\n\n32\n00:11:33,072 --> 00:11:56,237\n台灣昨天下降43%的歐盟美國日本大贏50%台灣的68%的勞工領不到平均薪資這都是事實啊我就提醒藉這個機會提醒賴副總統你要講一些話台獨理念怎麼貫穿我都尊重但是啊要多做功課啦要夠夠出來要用手啦\n\n33\n00:11:59,009 --> 00:12:03,735\n好謝謝委員知道好謝謝來請主委回座下一位質詢人請我們審發會委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3085\t8848\t謝謝主席與各位先進有請黃主委請黃主委上台備選謝謝會員長黃主委早今天談純網營\n27000\t35249\t這個在三家倒下的虧錢呢大家認為它break even就是損利兩平啦大概最快到2025\n40787\t61633\t委員 您是專家 我想我們自己的看法也是差不多這個樣子差不多2020才有個black event至少不是專家都black event至少有一家吧有一家可以black event這個你這樣看就是你當初我們為什麼要開放呢最小時髦 我給你個數字美國在1995年到2001年總共500多家的網營\n69648\t95761\t結果2005年中間就各個10年而已還在持續營運的不到10家從500減為10家這是美國的例子就代表存網營你剛才都是來解釋一些如果沒有其他的業務你還是說存款、販款只是說我透過網路操作比較方便\n98032\t122672\t那你要跟傳統的銀行競爭都很難競爭因為銀行 傳統銀行裡面也有也可以用網路操作啊 對不對是對啊 所以就是裡面有Niche我就看不到除外的Niche在哪裡那些孩子生出來的就現在看起來感不大我不知道你心裡有什麼感受你會不會覺得有一點難過的感覺會不會\n125523\t149845\t我想我們覺得應該要繼續努力但是目前這個情況也並沒有特別的出乎意外因為本來就是一開始成立的時候它有很多資訊的成本還有一些相關的建制的成本所以你是不是說這三家都需要增資今年就有在增資\n150626\t178252\t你也可能需要增資 看起來但是增資的幅度可能就我們期待不會像過去那麼多是啊 我的意思 我重點在強調就是說如果全網的match跟傳統銀行的網路操作可以這樣子那他就被打死了啊他根本一點競爭力都沒有啊主要是因為人想不通 陳萬宜他怎麼活他怎麼活\n180323\t201082\t因為跟您報告除非一個我個人想的除非一個存保很厲害把你的錢拿進來他替你去投資可是這個要存物的同意啊我是定存的我是活存的你把我拿去投資還經過我同意耶除非你販售很多金融商品\n202063\t212637\t你找人家操作 很會操作的 包括來我這裡都可以買到 這個收益很高的 這樣的菌的產品除了這樣子 我真的活不了啊 對不對\n214995\t237895\t其實當初三家純網營來申請的時候主要一個模式都是生態系每一家網營後面都有些特質有的是電信、有的是社群媒體這些強處都沒有發揮到我們再看2017年那時候行政院總教賴清德\n240668\t250015\t遠東銀行遭到駭客入侵來清德那做了一件一件事情要銀行賠銀行要我賠喔\n255625\t282673\t來 請問你純老營可不可以要求預備賠償金因為現在台灣的治安不安全嘛台灣的治安我們世界上隨時被駭客被駭然後都很便宜被賣掉所以純老營被駭的機會是比一般的營養更高你有沒有要求他預備賠償金 有沒有目前沒有 但是跟您報告可不可以考慮\n284059\t284480\t就是要賠的\n299909\t320325\t那資安有沒有人測試?有沒有人測試向你講報告?拜訪員您是專家啦全法院No.1就是資安風險、流動性風險、信譽風險這些都非常有七大風險現在看到網路詐騙、廣告、橫行下班時間假日更會猖獗我就問一個問題監管會有沒有專職的稽查單位\n327139\t340829\t或機場人員下班假日去看一看去看一看說不定我們的主委你的頭被害了也被冒用了拿去說黃天牧說怎麼投資可以賺錢等等的這個\n342633\t369139\t這個有發生過 我是跟您報告我們的周邊單位都有監督所有網路上的這上面投資詐騙的訊息那我們政協局也有同仁他每天接受外界的一些案件需要兩個平台下架就下架通報相關警政單位 通報警政機關都有相關的建制你們要不要把這個結果定期對外公佈\n370031\t377396\t有啊 我們上禮拜就有公佈現在來講外界會覺得說奇怪蘇貞昌當院長時代打架國家隊14億陳建能打架的這個叫什麼隊啊13億\n390415\t401619\t這個陳院長是辦公室蘇院長是國家隊兩個加起來27億怎麼越打越多怎麼這個樣子呢今年11月投資照片就710件超越\n406101\t424761\t2000年就是去年的全年度金管會我看到一則報導說你們跟Meta就是Facebook啦Google建立一個投資詐騙廣告修正下架機制你要不要講一下這個機制我這個其實也是有緣的感謝有緣的支持啦就是如果我們有\n426957\t443964\t有看到這個有被在網路上或是有人申報他被在平台上有這種不當的詐騙行為我們就通透過這個管道要求這兩個平台下架他們必須在24小時內下架如果不下架巡視局那邊就會對他要求要求他改善或懲處\n445431\t466244\t現在外界對台灣的詐騙這麼的狠行其實就瞄準幾個單位其中就是監管會因為一直管聽的在你受傷最有可能你工具很多啊你要幫忙是可以幫忙的另外我想今天是常委會最後一個委員會\n467825\t476712\t所以你任期到5月19繼續在哪裡那你現在到5月19之前最想做的一件事情是什麼穩定資本市場\n495877\t500559\t基本面賺不賺錢還有政府政策會不會影響政府的政策\n522982\t551478\t產業政策各方面貨幣政策還有國際政經情況的變化這個國際政經就是國內都有只是成分的多少而已這個因素很多就像您所指的我們是主權獨立國家這個會不會影響股市百分比我們一向都是主權獨立國家這個會不會影響股市百分比因為這樣我們表現特別好\n553232\t570438\t我覺得股市基本上就是一個國家它的經濟發展的櫥窗來 我們來看賴清德院長說 朝越港股是因為台灣有主權 香港沒有\n571707\t587375\t我想老半天 我想奇怪就是你講的基本面的業績好不好等等的當然我也高興台灣超過香港我們鼓掌 好不好當然是我今天就問了checked GPT就把他問一下\n588636\t610721\t他說台股超過港股表現通常與台灣主權沒有直接關聯有關係的就是基本面企業的業績政府的政策 國際環境一國的主權不是直接影響股市表現的主要因素嗎這個老實講\n617065\t634123\t這個賴副總統他要怎麼樣去主張他的台獨思想我們都沒有意見尊重台獨尊敬到底 台獨到底都沒有意見但是不需要連這個也把這個主權扯在一起早就主權早就用了過去香港都贏跑龍\n636145\t659026\t台灣香港有沒有主權啊怎麼現在台灣早就有主權了中華民國主權早就是在那裡在那裡國際表現都比較差現在好了就是因為我們有主權這個邏輯都不通了我們覺得非常不通的一件事那你剛才回答也是等於間接的間接不同意我們賴副總統所講的話最後一個\n662010\t668080\t可能不能這樣引申,因為他作為一個說明,應該有後面的論述,可能我們要了解他的論述\n669241\t691968\t他的論述就是因為主權啊有主權所以表現好啊那過去表現不好為什麼也是有主權啊這不通啦我說這個邏輯不通啦另外他講到一個他講到說因為台灣經濟果實全民共享香港沒有他講到這個那我們就看啊這個最重要是什麼受雇人員的薪資除以GDP的比例\n693072\t716237\t台灣昨天下降43%的歐盟 美國 日本大贏50%台灣的68%的勞工領不到平均薪資這都是事實啊我就提醒 藉這個機會提醒賴副總統 你要講一些話台獨理念怎麼貫穿 我都尊重但是啊 要多做功課啦要夠夠出來 要用手啦\n719009\t723735\t好謝謝委員知道好謝謝來請主委回座下一位質詢人請我們審發會委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席與各位先進有請黃主委請黃主委上台備選謝謝會員長黃主委早今天談純網營\n這個在三家倒下的虧錢呢大家認為它break even就是損利兩平啦大概最快到2025\n委員 您是專家 我想我們自己的看法也是差不多這個樣子差不多2020才有個black event至少不是專家都black event至少有一家吧有一家可以black event這個你這樣看就是你當初我們為什麼要開放呢最小時髦 我給你個數字美國在1995年到2001年總共500多家的網營\n結果2005年中間就各個10年而已還在持續營運的不到10家從500減為10家這是美國的例子就代表存網營你剛才都是來解釋一些如果沒有其他的業務你還是說存款、販款只是說我透過網路操作比較方便\n那你要跟傳統的銀行競爭都很難競爭因為銀行 傳統銀行裡面也有也可以用網路操作啊 對不對是對啊 所以就是裡面有Niche我就看不到除外的Niche在哪裡那些孩子生出來的就現在看起來感不大我不知道你心裡有什麼感受你會不會覺得有一點難過的感覺會不會\n我想我們覺得應該要繼續努力但是目前這個情況也並沒有特別的出乎意外因為本來就是一開始成立的時候它有很多資訊的成本還有一些相關的建制的成本所以你是不是說這三家都需要增資今年就有在增資\n你也可能需要增資 看起來但是增資的幅度可能就我們期待不會像過去那麼多是啊 我的意思 我重點在強調就是說如果全網的match跟傳統銀行的網路操作可以這樣子那他就被打死了啊他根本一點競爭力都沒有啊主要是因為人想不通 陳萬宜他怎麼活他怎麼活\n因為跟您報告除非一個我個人想的除非一個存保很厲害把你的錢拿進來他替你去投資可是這個要存物的同意啊我是定存的我是活存的你把我拿去投資還經過我同意耶除非你販售很多金融商品\n你找人家操作 很會操作的 包括來我這裡都可以買到 這個收益很高的 這樣的菌的產品除了這樣子 我真的活不了啊 對不對\n其實當初三家純網營來申請的時候主要一個模式都是生態系每一家網營後面都有些特質有的是電信、有的是社群媒體這些強處都沒有發揮到我們再看2017年那時候行政院總教賴清德\n遠東銀行遭到駭客入侵來清德那做了一件一件事情要銀行賠銀行要我賠喔\n來 請問你純老營可不可以要求預備賠償金因為現在台灣的治安不安全嘛台灣的治安我們世界上隨時被駭客被駭然後都很便宜被賣掉所以純老營被駭的機會是比一般的營養更高你有沒有要求他預備賠償金 有沒有目前沒有 但是跟您報告可不可以考慮\n就是要賠的\n那資安有沒有人測試?有沒有人測試向你講報告?拜訪員您是專家啦全法院No.1就是資安風險、流動性風險、信譽風險這些都非常有七大風險現在看到網路詐騙、廣告、橫行下班時間假日更會猖獗我就問一個問題監管會有沒有專職的稽查單位\n或機場人員下班假日去看一看去看一看說不定我們的主委你的頭被害了也被冒用了拿去說黃天牧說怎麼投資可以賺錢等等的這個\n這個有發生過 我是跟您報告我們的周邊單位都有監督所有網路上的這上面投資詐騙的訊息那我們政協局也有同仁他每天接受外界的一些案件需要兩個平台下架就下架通報相關警政單位 通報警政機關都有相關的建制你們要不要把這個結果定期對外公佈\n有啊 我們上禮拜就有公佈現在來講外界會覺得說奇怪蘇貞昌當院長時代打架國家隊14億陳建能打架的這個叫什麼隊啊13億\n這個陳院長是辦公室蘇院長是國家隊兩個加起來27億怎麼越打越多怎麼這個樣子呢今年11月投資照片就710件超越\n2000年就是去年的全年度金管會我看到一則報導說你們跟Meta就是Facebook啦Google建立一個投資詐騙廣告修正下架機制你要不要講一下這個機制我這個其實也是有緣的感謝有緣的支持啦就是如果我們有\n有看到這個有被在網路上或是有人申報他被在平台上有這種不當的詐騙行為我們就通透過這個管道要求這兩個平台下架他們必須在24小時內下架如果不下架巡視局那邊就會對他要求要求他改善或懲處\n現在外界對台灣的詐騙這麼的狠行其實就瞄準幾個單位其中就是監管會因為一直管聽的在你受傷最有可能你工具很多啊你要幫忙是可以幫忙的另外我想今天是常委會最後一個委員會\n所以你任期到5月19繼續在哪裡那你現在到5月19之前最想做的一件事情是什麼穩定資本市場\n基本面賺不賺錢還有政府政策會不會影響政府的政策\n產業政策各方面貨幣政策還有國際政經情況的變化這個國際政經就是國內都有只是成分的多少而已這個因素很多就像您所指的我們是主權獨立國家這個會不會影響股市百分比我們一向都是主權獨立國家這個會不會影響股市百分比因為這樣我們表現特別好\n我覺得股市基本上就是一個國家它的經濟發展的櫥窗來 我們來看賴清德院長說 朝越港股是因為台灣有主權 香港沒有\n我想老半天 我想奇怪就是你講的基本面的業績好不好等等的當然我也高興台灣超過香港我們鼓掌 好不好當然是我今天就問了checked GPT就把他問一下\n他說台股超過港股表現通常與台灣主權沒有直接關聯有關係的就是基本面企業的業績政府的政策 國際環境一國的主權不是直接影響股市表現的主要因素嗎這個老實講\n這個賴副總統他要怎麼樣去主張他的台獨思想我們都沒有意見尊重台獨尊敬到底 台獨到底都沒有意見但是不需要連這個也把這個主權扯在一起早就主權早就用了過去香港都贏跑龍\n台灣香港有沒有主權啊怎麼現在台灣早就有主權了中華民國主權早就是在那裡在那裡國際表現都比較差現在好了就是因為我們有主權這個邏輯都不通了我們覺得非常不通的一件事那你剛才回答也是等於間接的間接不同意我們賴副總統所講的話最後一個\n可能不能這樣引申,因為他作為一個說明,應該有後面的論述,可能我們要了解他的論述\n他的論述就是因為主權啊有主權所以表現好啊那過去表現不好為什麼也是有主權啊這不通啦我說這個邏輯不通啦另外他講到一個他講到說因為台灣經濟果實全民共享香港沒有他講到這個那我們就看啊這個最重要是什麼受雇人員的薪資除以GDP的比例\n台灣昨天下降43%的歐盟 美國 日本大贏50%台灣的68%的勞工領不到平均薪資這都是事實啊我就提醒 藉這個機會提醒賴副總統 你要講一些話台獨理念怎麼貫穿 我都尊重但是啊 要多做功課啦要夠夠出來 要用手啦\n好謝謝委員知道好謝謝來請主委回座下一位質詢人請我們審發會委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.085 --> 00:08.848\n謝謝主席與各位先進有請黃主委請黃主委上台備選謝謝會員長黃主委早今天談純網營\n\n00:27.000 --> 00:35.249\n這個在三家倒下的虧錢呢大家認為它breakeven就是損利兩平啦大概最快到2025\n\n00:40.787 --> 01:01.633\n委員您是專家我想我們自己的看法也是差不多這個樣子差不多2020才有個blackevent至少不是專家都blackevent至少有一家吧有一家可以blackevent這個你這樣看就是你當初我們為什麼要開放呢最小時髦我給你個數字美國在1995年到2001年總共500多家的網營\n\n01:09.648 --> 01:35.761\n結果2005年中間就各個10年而已還在持續營運的不到10家從500減為10家這是美國的例子就代表存網營你剛才都是來解釋一些如果沒有其他的業務你還是說存款、販款只是說我透過網路操作比較方便\n\n01:38.032 --> 02:02.672\n那你要跟傳統的銀行競爭都很難競爭因為銀行傳統銀行裡面也有也可以用網路操作啊對不對是對啊所以就是裡面有Niche我就看不到除外的Niche在哪裡那些孩子生出來的就現在看起來感不大我不知道你心裡有什麼感受你會不會覺得有一點難過的感覺會不會\n\n02:05.523 --> 02:29.845\n我想我們覺得應該要繼續努力但是目前這個情況也並沒有特別的出乎意外因為本來就是一開始成立的時候它有很多資訊的成本還有一些相關的建制的成本所以你是不是說這三家都需要增資今年就有在增資\n\n02:30.626 --> 02:58.252\n你也可能需要增資看起來但是增資的幅度可能就我們期待不會像過去那麼多是啊我的意思我重點在強調就是說如果全網的match跟傳統銀行的網路操作可以這樣子那他就被打死了啊他根本一點競爭力都沒有啊主要是因為人想不通陳萬宜他怎麼活他怎麼活\n\n03:00.323 --> 03:21.082\n因為跟您報告除非一個我個人想的除非一個存保很厲害把你的錢拿進來他替你去投資可是這個要存物的同意啊我是定存的我是活存的你把我拿去投資還經過我同意耶除非你販售很多金融商品\n\n03:22.063 --> 03:32.637\n你找人家操作很會操作的包括來我這裡都可以買到這個收益很高的這樣的菌的產品除了這樣子我真的活不了啊對不對\n\n03:34.995 --> 03:57.895\n其實當初三家純網營來申請的時候主要一個模式都是生態系每一家網營後面都有些特質有的是電信、有的是社群媒體這些強處都沒有發揮到我們再看2017年那時候行政院總教賴清德\n\n04:00.668 --> 04:10.015\n遠東銀行遭到駭客入侵來清德那做了一件一件事情要銀行賠銀行要我賠喔\n\n04:15.625 --> 04:42.673\n來請問你純老營可不可以要求預備賠償金因為現在台灣的治安不安全嘛台灣的治安我們世界上隨時被駭客被駭然後都很便宜被賣掉所以純老營被駭的機會是比一般的營養更高你有沒有要求他預備賠償金有沒有目前沒有但是跟您報告可不可以考慮\n\n04:44.059 --> 04:44.480\n就是要賠的\n\n04:59.909 --> 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