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00:01:56,069\n那么这些的界定你现在条例里规定的是包含演习包含训场只要军事迷或者媒体或者民众拍照或用其他方式不管无人机什么拍的照在他社群媒体一旦披露就可能设法\n\n7\n00:01:57,229 --> 00:02:19,430\n設法這刑期判得很重這一部分有沒有在惡毒之前國防部暫緩一下跟民眾示疑甚至開個公聽會聽聽媒體代表群眾代表交換點意見這樣子才能夠讓一個法令通過以後執行上確實無礙部長的看法\n\n8\n00:02:20,411 --> 00:02:43,850\n您講的很有道理,大家會擔憂你規定那麼嚴格,我好像動輒得咎事實上很多地方,母法訂了以後,它有很多執法執法不光是國防部來立定,其他部會所以我們為什麼對外講法講說就算三族通過以後,不是馬上要施行\n\n9\n00:02:45,111 --> 00:03:10,156\n行政院会要求其他各部会针对这个母法上面相关的执法会去做一个演绎等到都很周延了才会推动那目前我们也也知道像外面民众所关切的有陈国光委员所讲的会议好像我们过了做了好像就变成一个太严苛了动辄我们叫法办不会的因为事实上有很多地方我们要\n\n10\n00:03:11,036 --> 00:03:27,633\n让我们推动工作于法有据我跟委员报告一下像以前这个营区里面有人闯进去了我们请警察帮忙警察说我依据什么他就讲你没有营区这种规范的话他只能闯入民宅的方法来办\n\n11\n00:03:28,995 --> 00:03:43,731\n最起碼這個法定了以後,對我們執行法的單位,不光是軍方,連同縣警等等,它是與法有據,在與法有據執行當中,有任何的不周圍的地方,\n\n12\n00:03:44,412 --> 00:04:07,288\n但是法庭他們自然會去做一個說明,做一個講解不會想說變成只要軍中的界限一劃,這個就變成不可侵犯,不會這樣子的我想部長剛才舉的幾些案例,包含營區內部的安全維護本席是絕對支持的,否則闖入營區沒有任何處置的法源依據,我們國軍還叫國軍嗎?\n\n13\n00:04:09,269 --> 00:04:36,988\n但是演训场所的界定我希望你们找时间或者透过媒体让群众示意他连拍照都不敢拍的那些军事迷天天都在九鹏基地附近山头上架着大炮你拍了就犯法你只要敢贴出来你就判刑像这些演习区域的界定训练场地的界定民众不见得了解我希望在这几个部分\n\n14\n00:04:37,688 --> 00:05:02,112\n多做一點更細緻的說明包含你未來執法可能會做到什麼程度否則你這個法案通過引起很多爭議不是給你們徒增困擾嗎是不是了解接著我再問最近媒體報導美國空軍有個上位軍官來台灣住了幾個月寫出一大堆不知道是依據什麼寫出來的結論他的結論是\n\n15\n00:05:06,459 --> 00:05:24,573\n台灣受中國入侵有70%人會留下來抵抗20%會離開台灣10%會投降他的位階不過是一個上位軍官是現役的我想問問看他來台灣受兩個伴侶的專業訓練是誰訓練他是不是國防部邀請來的\n\n16\n00:05:31,328 --> 00:05:57,696\n那麼美國奉行的是軍人不能干政啊這這個現役上位來我們國家指指點點,還做出一些結論我非常不認同這些,它依據什麼做出來的所以我想請部長知不知道這件事,說明一下我跟委員報告,我剛剛聽委員長講話第一個問題是誰邀請這位美軍上位來台,這我還真不知道我們哪個單位邀請最起碼國防部沒有做這個邀請嘛\n\n17\n00:05:58,854 --> 00:06:22,585\n那剛剛講說他有發表言論,我想我曾經對大家也講得很清楚,有很多學者專家,他個人有什麼意見、表達,我不會去跟他爭辯,因為他有他立的基礎。同樣當然委員關係也沒有錯,他這個美軍上位,他這個發表,可能他這個原意為何,我真不太了解。\n\n18\n00:06:25,967 --> 00:06:38,899\n我希望你們去了解一下因為他這個說法他又在美國空軍部部長辦公室任職雖然他位階不高他是現役上尉是在美國空軍部部長辦公室任職\n\n19\n00:06:40,040 --> 00:07:00,967\n那麼他是受哪些特定人士特定團體請來來做大內宣表示我們台灣人如何如何你一個上位有多大的閱歷跟經驗台灣住兩個月你就可以發表這種我本席深深不以為然我想他跟國軍有關我想部長希望有空了解一下\n\n20\n00:07:02,027 --> 00:07:30,808\n來龍去脈背井好不好我們去了解因為事實上國防部沒有邀約這些人就算來的話這一定是針對議題來討論他不會擅自對外發布這種訊息重點是他來台灣受兩個半月的專業訓練誰請他來他受了什麼訓練這些我們覺得很詫異媒體登了好幾次了我就覺得一直想問你們今天好不容易等到部長來你們去了解一下\n\n21\n00:07:32,028 --> 00:07:46,819\n回頭給本席一個稍微完整一點的資料我出國我跟委員報告國防部沒有辦什麼班隊請這些外面人來我相信你們是沒有不然我不可能不知道但是誰請他來的那寫的言之鑿鑿受兩個半月專業訓練得出的結論是台灣沒問題我們都會抵抗\n\n22\n00:07:53,592 --> 00:08:08,431\n你誰啊你你代表中華民國政府代表國防部這個東西請你們給我一個具體的說明另外美國國防部的中國軍力報告裡面也寫到很多\n\n23\n00:08:10,346 --> 00:08:31,545\n這幾年擾台共機擾台網路戰都有增加很多比例的趨勢但是他們其中最重要的幾個點我建議部長抽空你們兩個把這個重要的內容摘錄給部長參閱其中有幾個我們比較關注的美國國防部自己都承認\n\n24\n00:08:32,796 --> 00:08:52,107\n對於共軍的情報掌握沒有辦法做到很精確有很多盲點他自己都承認這個很少見美國對中國大陸的軍力報告很少自己在正式文件上說我們對中國解放軍的情報掌握\n\n25\n00:08:53,223 --> 00:09:11,212\n不足能力不足有很多盲点没办法全面掌控你没办法全面掌控你怎么做出情报判断的结论据提供参山来做行动方案的列举这个我们老军人都很清楚如果你情报判断基础不准\n\n26\n00:09:12,148 --> 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