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00:01:00,115\n外資撤退中資那麼這個整體來說他們也就看壞了這個整體香港的發展嗎那麼以台灣的現在股市的狀況我先來舉一下是前幾天當時我們第一次台股正式超越港股的時候在野黨就在那邊質疑說這個會不會是有所謂的政治操作甚至於包括連國安基金的設立都被質疑了\n\n4\n00:01:00,815 --> 00:01:16,064\n我相信這個對於臺股30年終於超越香港這樣的一個過程當中其實很多人都是認為這代表著臺灣不論是經過疫情或者是一連串的這樣的打擊之後我們還是屹立不搖\n\n5\n00:01:17,565 --> 00:01:44,443\n主委可以聊一下你怎麼來看歐盟的這一份報告那麼確實外資是不是象徵著一個所謂春江水奶鴨鮮汁的這樣的一個角色那麼面對這近8年來臺股往上上漲了87%而港股卻是下跌27%那麼這其中是不是也某種程度可以看得出來那麼國際尤其是外資這些重大的投資者對於臺灣經濟的一個表態\n\n6\n00:01:49,045 --> 00:02:16,441\n資本市場是一個非常國際化的一個機制所以這個資本市場是不是開放自由上市會公司是不是有這個好的表現都是包括公司治理永續都是外資評估要不要投資參與的因素之一那我覺得台股這麼多年來在大家的尤其委員的指導努力跟我們的努力之下業者努力之下其實是有長途的進步尤其我們的\n\n7\n00:02:17,802 --> 00:02:47,382\n三十年前跟三十年後臺股的資本市場的產業結構有很大的不同現在半導體、電子占一半以上三十年前是傳統產業跟金融產業這些都是我們今天之所以能夠在國際資本市場上有一席之地的重要原因但是有的地區有的國家它因為有些不同的因素的影響讓大家對這個地區或國家有些不同的想法我想我就不多評論但是我想臺股的成功不是成功臺股的發展是有它的因素的\n\n8\n00:02:48,062 --> 00:03:07,519\n所以其實本席會問這個問題主要的是說當這個台灣的台股超越港股那麼我相信許多的不論是投資人又或者是一些財經專家都一路看好的情況底下卻認為說這是民進黨的政府在搞選舉的手段包括連國安基金的設置是不是有國安基金進場護盤都被質疑那麼\n\n9\n00:03:09,861 --> 00:03:27,840\n我們都知道其實有關於金融監理最重要的其實就是金管會金管會對於我們在這個質詢台上包括有沒有一些所謂的必須要關注的就是交易其實金管會、政期局其實包括都是在監理的過程當中那麼\n\n10\n00:03:29,663 --> 00:03:41,243\n經濟部或是國發會其實都是有發出新聞稿來講說這個過程當中就是台灣的經濟越來越好那麼經管會有看到真的有所謂的不法的操作嗎?\n\n11\n00:03:42,776 --> 00:04:03,758\n我在這個場合也接受到很多委員的槌尋包括有沒有什麼選舉行情我都說其實金管會是非常專業、公平、透明的我們不做任何的非金融經濟以外的事情我們就是維護這個市場的穩定發展、透明專業讓大家覺得這個市場的投資是有信心的\n\n12\n00:04:05,041 --> 00:04:20,179\n因為我覺得這樣的一個質詢也許很多人會覺得說這是不是在撐時間但是我認為像這樣的所謂台灣的股市表現得好甚至於連財經專家都肯定的時候\n\n13\n00:04:20,740 --> 00:04:42,497\n但是卻出現這種說為了選舉做多甚至於連國安基金的設置都說是因為有國安基金進場護盤我認為其實金管會必須就是像我剛剛必須要對您提出這樣的質疑或是要求您回答問題的原因在於我們不能說我們自己表現得好然後反而還被在野黨看衰這對於國際怎麼看台灣\n\n14\n00:04:45,339 --> 00:04:58,603\n好,大家就覺得說怎麼我們表現得好反而是在野黨不斷地在唱衰當外資都看好台灣然後看壞香港的發展的時候結果是我們的在野黨在覺得說我們做得不好當然我不會要求金管會必須要像經濟部或者是國發會一樣要去特別發一個新聞稿來做澄清但是至少\n\n15\n00:05:04,224 --> 00:05:16,633\n在主委的回覆當中是可以確定沒有所謂的不法操縱而包括像國安基金的設置國安基金的進場都是有其必要性嗎他不是為了選舉做多是吧\n\n16\n00:05:17,947 --> 00:05:32,576\n我覺得過去沒有現在也沒有好那麼接下來當然就回到我們今天的這個主題的報告我想對於這個開放銀行的部分是主委過去一路以來都支持這樣的一個方向那我們從2019年公開資料的查詢到2021年是給消費者有機會可以來查詢\n\n17\n00:05:38,860 --> 00:05:53,074\n那麼接下來多家銀行的整合的部分會是下一步跟下一個階段嗎?因為我們現在第二階段的部分本席看到的是公銀行庫8家百分之百都參與了但民營的部分其實只有7家如果加進郵局的話這樣算是16家那麼目前為止\n\n18\n00:05:57,398 --> 00:06:08,267\n民營銀行的參與率不高甚至於我必須說是偏低的只有28%主委這是遇到一個什麼樣的情況讓民營銀行覺得興趣缺缺是因為擔心太過開放影響競爭力嗎?\n\n19\n00:06:12,296 --> 00:06:31,307\n這也是今天很多人指導因為這個交易面資訊是非常敏感的包括對TSB業者的治安的要求還有很多人提到他的擴面的背景所以可能銀行業者覺得這個部分要信任一個TSB業者去做這種交易面的平臺也許他會有更高的要求跟標準\n\n20\n00:06:31,923 --> 00:06:59,904\n是所以這也會變成是當我們要走到開放銀行的第三階段的時候肯定會遇到很大的阻礙應該是這樣子因為站在他們的立場上他們也很怕接下來合作的這個所謂第三方的服務業者的平台會出現他們擔憂的狀況那這樣子會不會變成你要推到下一個部分的時候因為其實坦白說我在討論這個題目的時候我也問了我辦公室的助理們說如果\n\n21\n00:07:01,158 --> 00:07:25,865\n一個可以整合出開放銀行走到第三階段的利跟弊到底是在哪裡比如說其實我們現在很多的業者他們自己都有開發他們屬於他們自己的這個網路上面的查詢的平台比如說你只要有開戶你進入了相關的資料之後你可以看到你自己在這家銀行裡面包括這個金融集團裡面我可能是信用卡\n\n22\n00:07:26,505 --> 00:07:31,054\n二、審查本院民進黨總預算案審查程序第三條文修正草\n\n23\n00:07:36,724 --> 00:07:38,384\n主委,你們在溝通的過程當中是什麼樣一個狀況?\n\n24\n00:08:01,701 --> 00:08:17,575\n報告員其實都有啦除了資安的這個問題之外因為接下來是透過這個第三方去查詢整合甚至交易所以這個部分的話其實就傳統銀行而言他們這都是他們顧慮的\n\n25\n00:08:19,517 --> 00:08:47,401\n好所以因為有這樣的顧慮我覺得也可以理解但是會不會就變成是說這就變成只能做半套我們大概就是只能停留在第二階段讓消費者做資訊的查核可是要進到第三階段的時候要多方整合比如說我今天真的進入吉保的依存者的這個部分我就可以看到其他銀行的部分的包括存款或者是狀況那可是就是\n\n26\n00:08:47,961 --> 00:08:48,761\n二、審查本院民進黨黨團審查程序第三條文修正草\n\n27\n00:09:08,528 --> 00:09:28,227\n那這個部分恐怕也就不是主管機關你真的說你一定要邀請他進來那他很可能就是會一直停留在這個階段因為當然我們知道說可能也許這個會期我們大概今天是最後一次來討論這個問題那接下來也許就是下一屆或下一個會期但他會不會永遠就是卡在這裡而無解\n\n28\n00:09:29,969 --> 00:09:58,878\n那有沒有什麼更可能的溝通方式其實我希望主委或是銀行局能夠去注意這方面的問題其實我還是很感謝召委安排這樣一個報告其實讓我們聽到很多委員的關切除了資安已經有提到另外一個業者自己本身的誘因的問題我想至少我們先把資安的部分處理好那業者誘因部分我們再跟工會這邊再多了解他們的心態看看是不是有可能促成\n\n29\n00:09:59,377 --> 00:10:17,283\n好,因為對我們來講我們當然是完全的支持希望走到開放銀行這個部分但是呢,也不要說因為目前為止民營行戶所增加的不多那就變成是整個開放只開放半套那這確實是很可惜了解,謝謝委員的指導,謝謝好,謝謝林委員接下來我們請羅賓才羅委員上台質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n311\t3909\t謝謝主席 主席有請黃天牧黃主委請黃主委上台備選\n5934\t32927\t謝謝委員長主委好我想這個對於台股最近的表現我相信不只是委員們在意我知道像今天早上媒體們也都非常的關注因為這對於台灣的整體經濟面來講我相信這一定是有激勵的作用那麼本席找到一個是在2023年8月18號的時候當時歐盟就曾經有一個香港報告就提到這個所謂的一國兩制的瓦解那麼\n33607\t60115\t外資撤退中資那麼這個整體來說他們也就看壞了這個整體香港的發展嗎那麼以台灣的現在股市的狀況我先來舉一下是前幾天當時我們第一次台股正式超越港股的時候在野黨就在那邊質疑說這個會不會是有所謂的政治操作甚至於包括連國安基金的設立都被質疑了\n60815\t76064\t我相信這個對於臺股30年終於超越香港這樣的一個過程當中其實很多人都是認為這代表著臺灣不論是經過疫情或者是一連串的這樣的打擊之後我們還是屹立不搖\n77565\t104443\t主委可以聊一下你怎麼來看歐盟的這一份報告那麼確實外資是不是象徵著一個所謂春江水奶鴨鮮汁的這樣的一個角色那麼面對這近8年來臺股往上上漲了87%而港股卻是下跌27%那麼這其中是不是也某種程度可以看得出來那麼國際尤其是外資這些重大的投資者對於臺灣經濟的一個表態\n107125\t107244\t立法院第10屆第8會期財政委員會主席\n109045\t136441\t資本市場是一個非常國際化的一個機制所以這個資本市場是不是開放自由上市會公司是不是有這個好的表現都是包括公司治理永續都是外資評估要不要投資參與的因素之一那我覺得台股這麼多年來在大家的尤其委員的指導努力跟我們的努力之下業者努力之下其實是有長途的進步尤其我們的\n137802\t167382\t三十年前跟三十年後臺股的資本市場的產業結構有很大的不同現在半導體、電子占一半以上三十年前是傳統產業跟金融產業這些都是我們今天之所以能夠在國際資本市場上有一席之地的重要原因但是有的地區有的國家它因為有些不同的因素的影響讓大家對這個地區或國家有些不同的想法我想我就不多評論但是我想臺股的成功不是成功臺股的發展是有它的因素的\n168062\t187519\t所以其實本席會問這個問題主要的是說當這個台灣的台股超越港股那麼我相信許多的不論是投資人又或者是一些財經專家都一路看好的情況底下卻認為說這是民進黨的政府在搞選舉的手段包括連國安基金的設置是不是有國安基金進場護盤都被質疑那麼\n189861\t207840\t我們都知道其實有關於金融監理最重要的其實就是金管會金管會對於我們在這個質詢台上包括有沒有一些所謂的必須要關注的就是交易其實金管會、政期局其實包括都是在監理的過程當中那麼\n209663\t221243\t經濟部或是國發會其實都是有發出新聞稿來講說這個過程當中就是台灣的經濟越來越好那麼經管會有看到真的有所謂的不法的操作嗎?\n222776\t243758\t我在這個場合也接受到很多委員的槌尋包括有沒有什麼選舉行情我都說其實金管會是非常專業、公平、透明的我們不做任何的非金融經濟以外的事情我們就是維護這個市場的穩定發展、透明專業讓大家覺得這個市場的投資是有信心的\n245041\t260179\t因為我覺得這樣的一個質詢也許很多人會覺得說這是不是在撐時間但是我認為像這樣的所謂台灣的股市表現得好甚至於連財經專家都肯定的時候\n260740\t282497\t但是卻出現這種說為了選舉做多甚至於連國安基金的設置都說是因為有國安基金進場護盤我認為其實金管會必須就是像我剛剛必須要對您提出這樣的質疑或是要求您回答問題的原因在於我們不能說我們自己表現得好然後反而還被在野黨看衰這對於國際怎麼看台灣\n285339\t298603\t好,大家就覺得說怎麼我們表現得好反而是在野黨不斷地在唱衰當外資都看好台灣然後看壞香港的發展的時候結果是我們的在野黨在覺得說我們做得不好當然我不會要求金管會必須要像經濟部或者是國發會一樣要去特別發一個新聞稿來做澄清但是至少\n304224\t316633\t在主委的回覆當中是可以確定沒有所謂的不法操縱而包括像國安基金的設置國安基金的進場都是有其必要性嗎他不是為了選舉做多是吧\n317947\t332576\t我覺得過去沒有現在也沒有好那麼接下來當然就回到我們今天的這個主題的報告我想對於這個開放銀行的部分是主委過去一路以來都支持這樣的一個方向那我們從2019年公開資料的查詢到2021年是給消費者有機會可以來查詢\n338860\t353074\t那麼接下來多家銀行的整合的部分會是下一步跟下一個階段嗎?因為我們現在第二階段的部分本席看到的是公銀行庫8家百分之百都參與了但民營的部分其實只有7家如果加進郵局的話這樣算是16家那麼目前為止\n357398\t368267\t民營銀行的參與率不高甚至於我必須說是偏低的只有28%主委這是遇到一個什麼樣的情況讓民營銀行覺得興趣缺缺是因為擔心太過開放影響競爭力嗎?\n372296\t391307\t這也是今天很多人指導因為這個交易面資訊是非常敏感的包括對TSB業者的治安的要求還有很多人提到他的擴面的背景所以可能銀行業者覺得這個部分要信任一個TSB業者去做這種交易面的平臺也許他會有更高的要求跟標準\n391923\t419904\t是所以這也會變成是當我們要走到開放銀行的第三階段的時候肯定會遇到很大的阻礙應該是這樣子因為站在他們的立場上他們也很怕接下來合作的這個所謂第三方的服務業者的平台會出現他們擔憂的狀況那這樣子會不會變成你要推到下一個部分的時候因為其實坦白說我在討論這個題目的時候我也問了我辦公室的助理們說如果\n421158\t445865\t一個可以整合出開放銀行走到第三階段的利跟弊到底是在哪裡比如說其實我們現在很多的業者他們自己都有開發他們屬於他們自己的這個網路上面的查詢的平台比如說你只要有開戶你進入了相關的資料之後你可以看到你自己在這家銀行裡面包括這個金融集團裡面我可能是信用卡\n446505\t451054\t二、審查本院民進黨總預算案審查程序第三條文修正草\n456724\t458384\t主委,你們在溝通的過程當中是什麼樣一個狀況?\n481701\t497575\t報告員其實都有啦除了資安的這個問題之外因為接下來是透過這個第三方去查詢整合甚至交易所以這個部分的話其實就傳統銀行而言他們這都是他們顧慮的\n499517\t527401\t好 所以因為有這樣的顧慮我覺得也可以理解但是會不會就變成是說這就變成只能做半套我們大概就是只能停留在第二階段讓消費者做資訊的查核可是要進到第三階段的時候要多方整合比如說我今天真的進入吉保的依存者的這個部分我就可以看到其他銀行的部分的包括存款或者是狀況那可是就是\n527961\t528761\t二、審查本院民進黨黨團審查程序第三條文修正草\n548528\t568227\t那這個部分恐怕也就不是主管機關你真的說你一定要邀請他進來那他很可能就是會一直停留在這個階段因為當然我們知道說可能也許這個會期我們大概今天是最後一次來討論這個問題那接下來也許就是下一屆或下一個會期但他會不會永遠就是卡在這裡而無解\n569969\t598878\t那有沒有什麼更可能的溝通方式其實我希望主委或是銀行局能夠去注意這方面的問題其實我還是很感謝召委安排這樣一個報告其實讓我們聽到很多委員的關切除了資安已經有提到另外一個業者自己本身的誘因的問題我想至少我們先把資安的部分處理好那業者誘因部分我們再跟工會這邊再多了解他們的心態看看是不是有可能促成\n599377\t617283\t好,因為對我們來講我們當然是完全的支持希望走到開放銀行這個部分但是呢,也不要說因為目前為止民營行戶所增加的不多那就變成是整個開放只開放半套那這確實是很可惜了解,謝謝委員的指導,謝謝好,謝謝林委員接下來我們請羅賓才羅委員上台質詢\n","txt":"謝謝主席 主席有請黃天牧黃主委請黃主委上台備選\n謝謝委員長主委好我想這個對於台股最近的表現我相信不只是委員們在意我知道像今天早上媒體們也都非常的關注因為這對於台灣的整體經濟面來講我相信這一定是有激勵的作用那麼本席找到一個是在2023年8月18號的時候當時歐盟就曾經有一個香港報告就提到這個所謂的一國兩制的瓦解那麼\n外資撤退中資那麼這個整體來說他們也就看壞了這個整體香港的發展嗎那麼以台灣的現在股市的狀況我先來舉一下是前幾天當時我們第一次台股正式超越港股的時候在野黨就在那邊質疑說這個會不會是有所謂的政治操作甚至於包括連國安基金的設立都被質疑了\n我相信這個對於臺股30年終於超越香港這樣的一個過程當中其實很多人都是認為這代表著臺灣不論是經過疫情或者是一連串的這樣的打擊之後我們還是屹立不搖\n主委可以聊一下你怎麼來看歐盟的這一份報告那麼確實外資是不是象徵著一個所謂春江水奶鴨鮮汁的這樣的一個角色那麼面對這近8年來臺股往上上漲了87%而港股卻是下跌27%那麼這其中是不是也某種程度可以看得出來那麼國際尤其是外資這些重大的投資者對於臺灣經濟的一個表態\n立法院第10屆第8會期財政委員會主席\n資本市場是一個非常國際化的一個機制所以這個資本市場是不是開放自由上市會公司是不是有這個好的表現都是包括公司治理永續都是外資評估要不要投資參與的因素之一那我覺得台股這麼多年來在大家的尤其委員的指導努力跟我們的努力之下業者努力之下其實是有長途的進步尤其我們的\n三十年前跟三十年後臺股的資本市場的產業結構有很大的不同現在半導體、電子占一半以上三十年前是傳統產業跟金融產業這些都是我們今天之所以能夠在國際資本市場上有一席之地的重要原因但是有的地區有的國家它因為有些不同的因素的影響讓大家對這個地區或國家有些不同的想法我想我就不多評論但是我想臺股的成功不是成功臺股的發展是有它的因素的\n所以其實本席會問這個問題主要的是說當這個台灣的台股超越港股那麼我相信許多的不論是投資人又或者是一些財經專家都一路看好的情況底下卻認為說這是民進黨的政府在搞選舉的手段包括連國安基金的設置是不是有國安基金進場護盤都被質疑那麼\n我們都知道其實有關於金融監理最重要的其實就是金管會金管會對於我們在這個質詢台上包括有沒有一些所謂的必須要關注的就是交易其實金管會、政期局其實包括都是在監理的過程當中那麼\n經濟部或是國發會其實都是有發出新聞稿來講說這個過程當中就是台灣的經濟越來越好那麼經管會有看到真的有所謂的不法的操作嗎?\n我在這個場合也接受到很多委員的槌尋包括有沒有什麼選舉行情我都說其實金管會是非常專業、公平、透明的我們不做任何的非金融經濟以外的事情我們就是維護這個市場的穩定發展、透明專業讓大家覺得這個市場的投資是有信心的\n因為我覺得這樣的一個質詢也許很多人會覺得說這是不是在撐時間但是我認為像這樣的所謂台灣的股市表現得好甚至於連財經專家都肯定的時候\n但是卻出現這種說為了選舉做多甚至於連國安基金的設置都說是因為有國安基金進場護盤我認為其實金管會必須就是像我剛剛必須要對您提出這樣的質疑或是要求您回答問題的原因在於我們不能說我們自己表現得好然後反而還被在野黨看衰這對於國際怎麼看台灣\n好,大家就覺得說怎麼我們表現得好反而是在野黨不斷地在唱衰當外資都看好台灣然後看壞香港的發展的時候結果是我們的在野黨在覺得說我們做得不好當然我不會要求金管會必須要像經濟部或者是國發會一樣要去特別發一個新聞稿來做澄清但是至少\n在主委的回覆當中是可以確定沒有所謂的不法操縱而包括像國安基金的設置國安基金的進場都是有其必要性嗎他不是為了選舉做多是吧\n我覺得過去沒有現在也沒有好那麼接下來當然就回到我們今天的這個主題的報告我想對於這個開放銀行的部分是主委過去一路以來都支持這樣的一個方向那我們從2019年公開資料的查詢到2021年是給消費者有機會可以來查詢\n那麼接下來多家銀行的整合的部分會是下一步跟下一個階段嗎?因為我們現在第二階段的部分本席看到的是公銀行庫8家百分之百都參與了但民營的部分其實只有7家如果加進郵局的話這樣算是16家那麼目前為止\n民營銀行的參與率不高甚至於我必須說是偏低的只有28%主委這是遇到一個什麼樣的情況讓民營銀行覺得興趣缺缺是因為擔心太過開放影響競爭力嗎?\n這也是今天很多人指導因為這個交易面資訊是非常敏感的包括對TSB業者的治安的要求還有很多人提到他的擴面的背景所以可能銀行業者覺得這個部分要信任一個TSB業者去做這種交易面的平臺也許他會有更高的要求跟標準\n是所以這也會變成是當我們要走到開放銀行的第三階段的時候肯定會遇到很大的阻礙應該是這樣子因為站在他們的立場上他們也很怕接下來合作的這個所謂第三方的服務業者的平台會出現他們擔憂的狀況那這樣子會不會變成你要推到下一個部分的時候因為其實坦白說我在討論這個題目的時候我也問了我辦公室的助理們說如果\n一個可以整合出開放銀行走到第三階段的利跟弊到底是在哪裡比如說其實我們現在很多的業者他們自己都有開發他們屬於他們自己的這個網路上面的查詢的平台比如說你只要有開戶你進入了相關的資料之後你可以看到你自己在這家銀行裡面包括這個金融集團裡面我可能是信用卡\n二、審查本院民進黨總預算案審查程序第三條文修正草\n主委,你們在溝通的過程當中是什麼樣一個狀況?\n報告員其實都有啦除了資安的這個問題之外因為接下來是透過這個第三方去查詢整合甚至交易所以這個部分的話其實就傳統銀行而言他們這都是他們顧慮的\n好 所以因為有這樣的顧慮我覺得也可以理解但是會不會就變成是說這就變成只能做半套我們大概就是只能停留在第二階段讓消費者做資訊的查核可是要進到第三階段的時候要多方整合比如說我今天真的進入吉保的依存者的這個部分我就可以看到其他銀行的部分的包括存款或者是狀況那可是就是\n二、審查本院民進黨黨團審查程序第三條文修正草\n那這個部分恐怕也就不是主管機關你真的說你一定要邀請他進來那他很可能就是會一直停留在這個階段因為當然我們知道說可能也許這個會期我們大概今天是最後一次來討論這個問題那接下來也許就是下一屆或下一個會期但他會不會永遠就是卡在這裡而無解\n那有沒有什麼更可能的溝通方式其實我希望主委或是銀行局能夠去注意這方面的問題其實我還是很感謝召委安排這樣一個報告其實讓我們聽到很多委員的關切除了資安已經有提到另外一個業者自己本身的誘因的問題我想至少我們先把資安的部分處理好那業者誘因部分我們再跟工會這邊再多了解他們的心態看看是不是有可能促成\n好,因為對我們來講我們當然是完全的支持希望走到開放銀行這個部分但是呢,也不要說因為目前為止民營行戶所增加的不多那就變成是整個開放只開放半套那這確實是很可惜了解,謝謝委員的指導,謝謝好,謝謝林委員接下來我們請羅賓才羅委員上台質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.311 --> 00:03.909\n謝謝主席主席有請黃天牧黃主委請黃主委上台備選\n\n00:05.934 --> 00:32.927\n謝謝委員長主委好我想這個對於台股最近的表現我相信不只是委員們在意我知道像今天早上媒體們也都非常的關注因為這對於台灣的整體經濟面來講我相信這一定是有激勵的作用那麼本席找到一個是在2023年8月18號的時候當時歐盟就曾經有一個香港報告就提到這個所謂的一國兩制的瓦解那麼\n\n00:33.607 --> 01:00.115\n外資撤退中資那麼這個整體來說他們也就看壞了這個整體香港的發展嗎那麼以台灣的現在股市的狀況我先來舉一下是前幾天當時我們第一次台股正式超越港股的時候在野黨就在那邊質疑說這個會不會是有所謂的政治操作甚至於包括連國安基金的設立都被質疑了\n\n01:00.815 --> 01:16.064\n我相信這個對於臺股30年終於超越香港這樣的一個過程當中其實很多人都是認為這代表著臺灣不論是經過疫情或者是一連串的這樣的打擊之後我們還是屹立不搖\n\n01:17.565 --> 01:44.443\n主委可以聊一下你怎麼來看歐盟的這一份報告那麼確實外資是不是象徵著一個所謂春江水奶鴨鮮汁的這樣的一個角色那麼面對這近8年來臺股往上上漲了87%而港股卻是下跌27%那麼這其中是不是也某種程度可以看得出來那麼國際尤其是外資這些重大的投資者對於臺灣經濟的一個表態\n\n01:49.045 --> 02:16.441\n資本市場是一個非常國際化的一個機制所以這個資本市場是不是開放自由上市會公司是不是有這個好的表現都是包括公司治理永續都是外資評估要不要投資參與的因素之一那我覺得台股這麼多年來在大家的尤其委員的指導努力跟我們的努力之下業者努力之下其實是有長途的進步尤其我們的\n\n02:17.802 --> 02:47.382\n三十年前跟三十年後臺股的資本市場的產業結構有很大的不同現在半導體、電子占一半以上三十年前是傳統產業跟金融產業這些都是我們今天之所以能夠在國際資本市場上有一席之地的重要原因但是有的地區有的國家它因為有些不同的因素的影響讓大家對這個地區或國家有些不同的想法我想我就不多評論但是我想臺股的成功不是成功臺股的發展是有它的因素的\n\n02:48.062 --> 03:07.519\n所以其實本席會問這個問題主要的是說當這個台灣的台股超越港股那麼我相信許多的不論是投資人又或者是一些財經專家都一路看好的情況底下卻認為說這是民進黨的政府在搞選舉的手段包括連國安基金的設置是不是有國安基金進場護盤都被質疑那麼\n\n03:09.861 --> 03:27.840\n我們都知道其實有關於金融監理最重要的其實就是金管會金管會對於我們在這個質詢台上包括有沒有一些所謂的必須要關注的就是交易其實金管會、政期局其實包括都是在監理的過程當中那麼\n\n03:29.663 --> 03:41.243\n經濟部或是國發會其實都是有發出新聞稿來講說這個過程當中就是台灣的經濟越來越好那麼經管會有看到真的有所謂的不法的操作嗎?\n\n03:42.776 --> 04:03.758\n我在這個場合也接受到很多委員的槌尋包括有沒有什麼選舉行情我都說其實金管會是非常專業、公平、透明的我們不做任何的非金融經濟以外的事情我們就是維護這個市場的穩定發展、透明專業讓大家覺得這個市場的投資是有信心的\n\n04:05.041 --> 04:20.179\n因為我覺得這樣的一個質詢也許很多人會覺得說這是不是在撐時間但是我認為像這樣的所謂台灣的股市表現得好甚至於連財經專家都肯定的時候\n\n04:20.740 --> 04:42.497\n但是卻出現這種說為了選舉做多甚至於連國安基金的設置都說是因為有國安基金進場護盤我認為其實金管會必須就是像我剛剛必須要對您提出這樣的質疑或是要求您回答問題的原因在於我們不能說我們自己表現得好然後反而還被在野黨看衰這對於國際怎麼看台灣\n\n04:45.339 --> 04:58.603\n好,大家就覺得說怎麼我們表現得好反而是在野黨不斷地在唱衰當外資都看好台灣然後看壞香港的發展的時候結果是我們的在野黨在覺得說我們做得不好當然我不會要求金管會必須要像經濟部或者是國發會一樣要去特別發一個新聞稿來做澄清但是至少\n\n05:04.224 --> 05:16.633\n在主委的回覆當中是可以確定沒有所謂的不法操縱而包括像國安基金的設置國安基金的進場都是有其必要性嗎他不是為了選舉做多是吧\n\n05:17.947 --> 05:32.576\n我覺得過去沒有現在也沒有好那麼接下來當然就回到我們今天的這個主題的報告我想對於這個開放銀行的部分是主委過去一路以來都支持這樣的一個方向那我們從2019年公開資料的查詢到2021年是給消費者有機會可以來查詢\n\n05:38.860 --> 05:53.074\n那麼接下來多家銀行的整合的部分會是下一步跟下一個階段嗎?因為我們現在第二階段的部分本席看到的是公銀行庫8家百分之百都參與了但民營的部分其實只有7家如果加進郵局的話這樣算是16家那麼目前為止\n\n05:57.398 --> 06:08.267\n民營銀行的參與率不高甚至於我必須說是偏低的只有28%主委這是遇到一個什麼樣的情況讓民營銀行覺得興趣缺缺是因為擔心太過開放影響競爭力嗎?\n\n06:12.296 --> 06:31.307\n這也是今天很多人指導因為這個交易面資訊是非常敏感的包括對TSB業者的治安的要求還有很多人提到他的擴面的背景所以可能銀行業者覺得這個部分要信任一個TSB業者去做這種交易面的平臺也許他會有更高的要求跟標準\n\n06:31.923 --> 06:59.904\n是所以這也會變成是當我們要走到開放銀行的第三階段的時候肯定會遇到很大的阻礙應該是這樣子因為站在他們的立場上他們也很怕接下來合作的這個所謂第三方的服務業者的平台會出現他們擔憂的狀況那這樣子會不會變成你要推到下一個部分的時候因為其實坦白說我在討論這個題目的時候我也問了我辦公室的助理們說如果\n\n07:01.158 --> 07:25.865\n一個可以整合出開放銀行走到第三階段的利跟弊到底是在哪裡比如說其實我們現在很多的業者他們自己都有開發他們屬於他們自己的這個網路上面的查詢的平台比如說你只要有開戶你進入了相關的資料之後你可以看到你自己在這家銀行裡面包括這個金融集團裡面我可能是信用卡\n\n07:26.505 --> 07:31.054\n二、審查本院民進黨總預算案審查程序第三條文修正草\n\n07:36.724 --> 07:38.384\n主委,你們在溝通的過程當中是什麼樣一個狀況?\n\n08:01.701 --> 08:17.575\n報告員其實都有啦除了資安的這個問題之外因為接下來是透過這個第三方去查詢整合甚至交易所以這個部分的話其實就傳統銀行而言他們這都是他們顧慮的\n\n08:19.517 --> 08:47.401\n好所以因為有這樣的顧慮我覺得也可以理解但是會不會就變成是說這就變成只能做半套我們大概就是只能停留在第二階段讓消費者做資訊的查核可是要進到第三階段的時候要多方整合比如說我今天真的進入吉保的依存者的這個部分我就可以看到其他銀行的部分的包括存款或者是狀況那可是就是\n\n08:47.961 --> 08:48.761\n二、審查本院民進黨黨團審查程序第三條文修正草\n\n09:08.528 --> 09:28.227\n那這個部分恐怕也就不是主管機關你真的說你一定要邀請他進來那他很可能就是會一直停留在這個階段因為當然我們知道說可能也許這個會期我們大概今天是最後一次來討論這個問題那接下來也許就是下一屆或下一個會期但他會不會永遠就是卡在這裡而無解\n\n09:29.969 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主席有請黃天牧黃主委請黃主委上台備選"},{"start":5.934,"end":32.927,"text":"謝謝委員長主委好我想這個對於台股最近的表現我相信不只是委員們在意我知道像今天早上媒體們也都非常的關注因為這對於台灣的整體經濟面來講我相信這一定是有激勵的作用那麼本席找到一個是在2023年8月18號的時候當時歐盟就曾經有一個香港報告就提到這個所謂的一國兩制的瓦解那麼"},{"start":33.607,"end":60.115,"text":"外資撤退中資那麼這個整體來說他們也就看壞了這個整體香港的發展嗎那麼以台灣的現在股市的狀況我先來舉一下是前幾天當時我們第一次台股正式超越港股的時候在野黨就在那邊質疑說這個會不會是有所謂的政治操作甚至於包括連國安基金的設立都被質疑了"},{"start":60.815,"end":76.064,"text":"我相信這個對於臺股30年終於超越香港這樣的一個過程當中其實很多人都是認為這代表著臺灣不論是經過疫情或者是一連串的這樣的打擊之後我們還是屹立不搖"},{"start":77.565,"end":104.443,"text":"主委可以聊一下你怎麼來看歐盟的這一份報告那麼確實外資是不是象徵著一個所謂春江水奶鴨鮮汁的這樣的一個角色那麼面對這近8年來臺股往上上漲了87%而港股卻是下跌27%那麼這其中是不是也某種程度可以看得出來那麼國際尤其是外資這些重大的投資者對於臺灣經濟的一個表態"},{"start":107.125,"end":107.244,"text":"立法院第10屆第8會期財政委員會主席"},{"start":109.045,"end":136.441,"text":"資本市場是一個非常國際化的一個機制所以這個資本市場是不是開放自由上市會公司是不是有這個好的表現都是包括公司治理永續都是外資評估要不要投資參與的因素之一那我覺得台股這麼多年來在大家的尤其委員的指導努力跟我們的努力之下業者努力之下其實是有長途的進步尤其我們的"},{"start":137.802,"end":167.382,"text":"三十年前跟三十年後臺股的資本市場的產業結構有很大的不同現在半導體、電子占一半以上三十年前是傳統產業跟金融產業這些都是我們今天之所以能夠在國際資本市場上有一席之地的重要原因但是有的地區有的國家它因為有些不同的因素的影響讓大家對這個地區或國家有些不同的想法我想我就不多評論但是我想臺股的成功不是成功臺股的發展是有它的因素的"},{"start":168.062,"end":187.519,"text":"所以其實本席會問這個問題主要的是說當這個台灣的台股超越港股那麼我相信許多的不論是投資人又或者是一些財經專家都一路看好的情況底下卻認為說這是民進黨的政府在搞選舉的手段包括連國安基金的設置是不是有國安基金進場護盤都被質疑那麼"},{"start":189.861,"end":207.84,"text":"我們都知道其實有關於金融監理最重要的其實就是金管會金管會對於我們在這個質詢台上包括有沒有一些所謂的必須要關注的就是交易其實金管會、政期局其實包括都是在監理的過程當中那麼"},{"start":209.663,"end":221.243,"text":"經濟部或是國發會其實都是有發出新聞稿來講說這個過程當中就是台灣的經濟越來越好那麼經管會有看到真的有所謂的不法的操作嗎?"},{"start":222.776,"end":243.758,"text":"我在這個場合也接受到很多委員的槌尋包括有沒有什麼選舉行情我都說其實金管會是非常專業、公平、透明的我們不做任何的非金融經濟以外的事情我們就是維護這個市場的穩定發展、透明專業讓大家覺得這個市場的投資是有信心的"},{"start":245.041,"end":260.179,"text":"因為我覺得這樣的一個質詢也許很多人會覺得說這是不是在撐時間但是我認為像這樣的所謂台灣的股市表現得好甚至於連財經專家都肯定的時候"},{"start":260.74,"end":282.497,"text":"但是卻出現這種說為了選舉做多甚至於連國安基金的設置都說是因為有國安基金進場護盤我認為其實金管會必須就是像我剛剛必須要對您提出這樣的質疑或是要求您回答問題的原因在於我們不能說我們自己表現得好然後反而還被在野黨看衰這對於國際怎麼看台灣"},{"start":285.339,"end":298.603,"text":"好,大家就覺得說怎麼我們表現得好反而是在野黨不斷地在唱衰當外資都看好台灣然後看壞香港的發展的時候結果是我們的在野黨在覺得說我們做得不好當然我不會要求金管會必須要像經濟部或者是國發會一樣要去特別發一個新聞稿來做澄清但是至少"},{"start":304.224,"end":316.633,"text":"在主委的回覆當中是可以確定沒有所謂的不法操縱而包括像國安基金的設置國安基金的進場都是有其必要性嗎他不是為了選舉做多是吧"},{"start":317.947,"end":332.576,"text":"我覺得過去沒有現在也沒有好那麼接下來當然就回到我們今天的這個主題的報告我想對於這個開放銀行的部分是主委過去一路以來都支持這樣的一個方向那我們從2019年公開資料的查詢到2021年是給消費者有機會可以來查詢"},{"start":338.86,"end":353.074,"text":"那麼接下來多家銀行的整合的部分會是下一步跟下一個階段嗎?因為我們現在第二階段的部分本席看到的是公銀行庫8家百分之百都參與了但民營的部分其實只有7家如果加進郵局的話這樣算是16家那麼目前為止"},{"start":357.398,"end":368.267,"text":"民營銀行的參與率不高甚至於我必須說是偏低的只有28%主委這是遇到一個什麼樣的情況讓民營銀行覺得興趣缺缺是因為擔心太過開放影響競爭力嗎?"},{"start":372.296,"end":391.307,"text":"這也是今天很多人指導因為這個交易面資訊是非常敏感的包括對TSB業者的治安的要求還有很多人提到他的擴面的背景所以可能銀行業者覺得這個部分要信任一個TSB業者去做這種交易面的平臺也許他會有更高的要求跟標準"},{"start":391.923,"end":419.904,"text":"是所以這也會變成是當我們要走到開放銀行的第三階段的時候肯定會遇到很大的阻礙應該是這樣子因為站在他們的立場上他們也很怕接下來合作的這個所謂第三方的服務業者的平台會出現他們擔憂的狀況那這樣子會不會變成你要推到下一個部分的時候因為其實坦白說我在討論這個題目的時候我也問了我辦公室的助理們說如果"},{"start":421.158,"end":445.865,"text":"一個可以整合出開放銀行走到第三階段的利跟弊到底是在哪裡比如說其實我們現在很多的業者他們自己都有開發他們屬於他們自己的這個網路上面的查詢的平台比如說你只要有開戶你進入了相關的資料之後你可以看到你自己在這家銀行裡面包括這個金融集團裡面我可能是信用卡"},{"start":446.505,"end":451.054,"text":"二、審查本院民進黨總預算案審查程序第三條文修正草"},{"start":456.724,"end":458.384,"text":"主委,你們在溝通的過程當中是什麼樣一個狀況?"},{"start":481.701,"end":497.575,"text":"報告員其實都有啦除了資安的這個問題之外因為接下來是透過這個第三方去查詢整合甚至交易所以這個部分的話其實就傳統銀行而言他們這都是他們顧慮的"},{"start":499.517,"end":527.401,"text":"好 所以因為有這樣的顧慮我覺得也可以理解但是會不會就變成是說這就變成只能做半套我們大概就是只能停留在第二階段讓消費者做資訊的查核可是要進到第三階段的時候要多方整合比如說我今天真的進入吉保的依存者的這個部分我就可以看到其他銀行的部分的包括存款或者是狀況那可是就是"},{"start":527.961,"end":528.761,"text":"二、審查本院民進黨黨團審查程序第三條文修正草"},{"start":548.528,"end":568.227,"text":"那這個部分恐怕也就不是主管機關你真的說你一定要邀請他進來那他很可能就是會一直停留在這個階段因為當然我們知道說可能也許這個會期我們大概今天是最後一次來討論這個問題那接下來也許就是下一屆或下一個會期但他會不會永遠就是卡在這裡而無解"},{"start":569.969,"end":598.878,"text":"那有沒有什麼更可能的溝通方式其實我希望主委或是銀行局能夠去注意這方面的問題其實我還是很感謝召委安排這樣一個報告其實讓我們聽到很多委員的關切除了資安已經有提到另外一個業者自己本身的誘因的問題我想至少我們先把資安的部分處理好那業者誘因部分我們再跟工會這邊再多了解他們的心態看看是不是有可能促成"},{"start":599.377,"end":617.283,"text":"好,因為對我們來講我們當然是完全的支持希望走到開放銀行這個部分但是呢,也不要說因為目前為止民營行戶所增加的不多那就變成是整個開放只開放半套那這確實是很可惜了解,謝謝委員的指導,謝謝好,謝謝林委員接下來我們請羅賓才羅委員上台質詢"}]}}}}