{"id":148970,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/148970","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a0ee4ec253a72029e0a4cd252e77cba694fc233f19f174e7c986728e607a03228543b75889b48ec65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"羅美玲","委員發言時間":"11:53:42 - 12:02:04","影片長度":"00:08:22","會議時間":"2023-12-11T10:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第10屆第8會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員、內政部部長、警政署署長、消防署署長、海巡署署長、原住民族委員會主任委員、國防部、法務部就「第16任總統副總統及第11屆立法委員選舉選務工作辦理情形、執勤軍警消海巡人員投票權益、文化健康站等工作人員於選舉期間之行政中立」進行專題報告，並備質詢；另邀請司法院列席備詢。二、原住民身分法：(一)審查行政院函請審議「原住民身分法修正草案」案。(二)繼續審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等16人擬具「原住民身分法第五條、第七條及第九條條文修正草案」案。(三)繼續審查委員劉櫂豪等18人擬具「原住民身分法第九條條文修正草案」案。(四)繼續審查委員郭國文等16人擬具「原住民身分法第二條條文修正草案」案。(五)繼續審查委員張宏陸等20人擬具「原住民身分法第二條條文修正草案」案。(六)繼續審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等18人擬具「原住民身分法第四條及第八條之一條文修正草案」案。(七)審查委員蔡適應等25人擬具「原住民身分法第四條、第七條及第八條條文修正草案」案。(八)審查委員陳明文等16人擬具「原住民身分法第九條條文修正草案」案。三、原住民族工作權保障法：(一)審查行政院函請審議「原住民族工作權保障法部分條文修正草案」案。(二)審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等17人擬具「原住民族工作權保障法部分條文修正草案」案。(三)審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等18人擬具「原住民族工作權保障法修正草案」案。(四)審查委員陳瑩等16人擬具「原住民族工作權保障法第十一條條文修正草案」案。(五)審查委員陳瑩等17人擬具「原住民族工作權保障法第四條條文修正草案」案。(六)審查委員廖國棟等25人擬具「原住民族工作權保障法部分條文修正草案」案。(七)審查委員孔文吉等22人擬具「原住民族工作權保障法部分條文修正草案」案。四、姓名條例：(一)繼續審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等16人擬具「姓名條例部分條文修正草案」案。(二)繼續審查委員伍麗華SaidhaiTahovecahe等20人擬具「姓名條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案。(三)繼續審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具「姓名條例第九條條文修正草案」案。(四)繼續審查委員廖國棟等16人擬具「姓名條例部分條文修正草案」案。【12月11日、14日兩天一次會】）","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"第10屆第8會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議","term":10,"type":"委員會","sessionPeriod":8,"sessionTimes":13,"committees":[15],"id":"委員會-10-8-15-13"},"date":"2023-12-11","duration":502,"end_time":"2023-12-11T12:02:04+08:00","start_time":"2023-12-11T11:53:42+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":857,"blocks":[["羅委員美玲：（11時53分）謝謝主席，有請夷將主委。"],["主席：夷將主委，請。"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：委員好。"],["羅委員美玲：主委好。主委，去年臺灣加入了由紐西蘭發起的原住民族經貿合作協議，就是所謂的IPETCA，創始的會員國除了有紐西蘭、臺灣，還有加拿大跟澳洲，這是一個國際首創以推動原住民族經貿跟投資議題為主的國際經貿協議。真的非常感謝夷將主委的努力。我們經歷了一年多的籌備，所以這4個會員國其實在APEC期間在美國召開了第一次的夥伴關係理事會，在會中我方有提出3個優先合作項目，第一個就是推動永續旅遊合作，帶動我方原住民族的經濟產業；第二個就是建立官方對官方，還有民間對民間的經貿窗口；第三個是氣候變遷公正轉型的碳匯。","對於這三點，本席真的是非常的肯定，可是除了這三個之外，之後可能還有很多的合作項目可以提出。本席有提出兩個建議，除了旅遊還有經貿的合作之外，其實我們還可以強化、深化再生能源產業跟文創產業。本席提出這一個建議其實也有參考過原民會在2017年對外委託的一個研究，就是臺灣原住民族產業跟紐西蘭貿易之可行性的評估報告，我在想既然我們已經有這個經貿平臺，很多之前委外的研究內容其實都可以在這裡來落實。本席剛剛有提到所謂的再生能源產業，因為臺灣現在也在積極地推行再生能源產業，像我們的會員國紐西蘭，它有80%的電力是來自於再生能源，其中有17.8%是來自於地熱。去年我們再生能源條例在修正的時候，其實也增設了地熱專案。在紐西蘭其實有九個地熱發電區，其中有三個是由毛利人所共同持有管理，紐西蘭的地熱電廠特別在毛利人參與的程度是非常的高，政府更是輔導毛利人自行申請籌建地熱的電廠。","臺灣的地熱潛能資源有40.6%其實是在我們原住民的傳統領域，所以臺灣是否能夠順利發展地熱其實跟原住民族的溝通合作有很重要的關係，所以我們也希望臺灣可以透過原民經貿協議這個平臺跟其他國家取經，跟紐西蘭做一個交流。我不曉得夷將主委跟我們的會員國，有沒有想到以後我們在地熱方面可以來做交流或是做相互的投資？"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：跟委員做兩點說明，第一點是關於你一開始提到IPETCA這次在美國討論到永續旅遊這個部分的議題，其實明年的世界原住民族旅遊高峰會已經確定要在臺灣舉行。"],["羅委員美玲：明年啊？"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：明年的4月。"],["羅委員美玲：是，這是非常好的事。"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：第一屆是在紐西蘭，第二屆是今年的上半年在澳洲，第三屆在臺灣是紐西蘭主動推薦給這個旅遊高峰會說希望由臺灣來承辦，我們已經取得承辦的責任，所以明年4月會舉辦，這是第一點說明。","第二點是關於委員最後提到有關地熱的部分，其實我們這幾年跟紐西蘭已經有持續在做相關的交流，他們已經多次來臺灣跟我們分享他們有關地熱，即剛剛委員指教的這個部分。所以像目前在臺東延平的紅葉溫泉，它同時有溫泉跟地熱，這個部分目前公所也正在做這樣的處理，我們也會借助紐西蘭過去的經驗，持續做地熱的發展，讓原住民在再生能源這個部分也有一個實質參與的權益。"],["羅委員美玲：是，我想紐西蘭其實真的有很多可以借鏡的地方。","再來我還有提到文創產業，像臺灣也是南島語族的發源地，臺灣原住民多元的語言跟文化我想應該也是臺灣的一個主流文化，文創產業其實是一個很棒的發展途徑。像IPETCA會員國之一澳洲的新南維爾斯州有十個原住民的土地委員會，他成立了一個國家原住民設計機構就是NADA，我們臺灣也有一個LiMA，可是LiMA畢竟是一個電商平臺，它跟NADA的性質比較不太一樣。像NADA他們會運用原住民的傳統智慧、藝術創作，跟當代的設計進行媒合，然後開發出商品跟作品，他們甚至還會跟原住民的藝術家、設計公司共同開發出比如說具有原住民族風格的傢俱、家飾等等，這些利潤都是NADA或者是藝術家、設計公司共享的。臺灣目前還沒有辦法做到這樣，我們只是提供一個像LiMA這樣的電商平台，我在想會員國澳洲、紐西蘭其實對原住民文化的重視是跟臺灣是一樣的，在文創方面我們是不是也可以跟他們來做一個交流，請問主委。"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：跟委員說明，剛剛你提到這個LiMA的電商平台，應該是從去年就開始推動，但事實上我們也有實體的電商平台已經……"],["羅委員美玲：是，它是一個電商平台，就是供商家做商品的展售、展示，可是我們對於設計師、藝術家提供的支援可能沒有像澳洲新南威爾斯這麼的深入，我是這麼覺得。"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：我們這個部分包括鄭文燦副院長還在當桃園市市長的時候就已經完成一個很重要的國際原住民產業園區，應該明年就會正式營運，委員對於文創的建議，我們會納入在整個我們推動跟國際交流合作文創的部分，包括紐西蘭、澳洲，我們會持續交流。"],["羅委員美玲：對，我想我們都是屬於南島語族的國家，我們在這方面應該有很多合作的機會，我們的原住民文化走向國際也是原民會應該要來努力的方向，尤其是我們現在有IPETCA這個平台，讓我們走入國際有更多更多的機會。"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：謝謝委員對於原民IPETCA的認知那麼深入，而且完全掌握原民的地熱和文創的部分，謝謝委員對這部分的指教，我們會持續依委員的建議來推廣未來整個原住民族產業。"],["羅委員美玲：謝謝主委，原民會加油！"],["主席：現在休息5分鐘，休息後繼續開會。","休息（12時2分）","繼續開會（12時7分）"],["主席：現在繼續開會。","接下來請莊瑞雄委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":156,"meet_id":"委員會-10-8-15-13","speakers":["游毓蘭","賴品妤","陳玉珍","張宏陸","王美惠","陳以信","黃世杰","鄭天財Sra 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00:02:11,294\n紐西蘭有80%的電力是來自再生能源其中有17.8%是來自於地熱去年我們再生能源條例修正的時候其實我們也增設了地熱專案所以在紐西蘭來講\n\n7\n00:02:29,625 --> 00:02:44,210\n他的地熱其實有九個地熱發電區其中有三個是由毛利人所共同持有管理紐西蘭的地熱電廠特別在毛利人參與的程度是非常的高\n\n8\n00:02:44,930 --> 00:03:07,410\n那政府更是輔導毛利人自行申請籌建地熱的電廠那台灣的地熱潛能資源有40.6%其實是在我們原住民的傳統領域所以台灣是否能夠順利發展地熱其實跟原住民族的溝通合作有很\n\n9\n00:03:08,210 --> 00:03:34,497\n很重要的這個關係所以我們也是希望說我們台灣其實可以透過這個原民經貿協議這個平台然後跟其他國家的這個來取經然後跟這個紐西蘭其實我們可以做一個交流那我不曉得說一將主委在跟我們的這個會員國在以後呢有沒有想到就是說我們在地政方面的我們可以來做一個交流或是做相互的這個投資\n\n10\n00:03:35,997 --> 00:03:54,681\n跟委員兩點的說明第一點是關於你一開始提到的IPECA這次在美國討論到永續旅遊的這個部分的議題那其實明年的世界原民族禮物高峰會已經確定要在台灣舉行明年的試驗第一屆是在紐西蘭\n\n11\n00:03:59,702 --> 00:04:15,709\n第二屆在今年的上半年在澳洲第三屆在台灣是紐西蘭主動推薦給我們這個旅遊高峰會說希望台灣來承辦我們已經取得這個承辦的這個責任所以明年4月這是一點說明\n\n12\n00:04:17,390 --> 00:04:36,700\n第二點是關於委員最後提到這個有關地樂的部分其實我們這幾年跟紐西蘭已經有持續做相關的交流他們已經有多次來台灣來跟我們分享他們有關地樂剛剛委員提到這個部分所以像目前在台東的應該是在\n\n13\n00:04:38,484 --> 00:04:57,093\n原品的紅葉溫泉同時有溫泉跟地熱目前公所也正在做這樣的處理這個部分我們也會藉助我們紐西亞的過去經驗實際做地熱的發展讓原住民在再生能源也有一個實質參與的潛力\n\n14\n00:04:59,654 --> 00:05:17,179\n所以我想說紐西蘭其實有真的有很多可以接近的地方那再來我還有提到文創這個產業像台灣我們也是南島語系的這個運輸的這個發源地那台灣原住民的這個多元的語言跟文化我想應該也是台灣的一個主流文化\n\n15\n00:05:17,699 --> 00:05:37,530\n那文創產業它其實是一個很棒的這個發展的這個途徑那像這個澳洲也就是這個IPECA的這個會員國之一澳洲的新南威爾斯州它有10個原住民土地委員會那成立了一個國家原住民設計機構就是NATA我們所謂的NATA\n\n16\n00:05:38,951 --> 00:05:53,724\n那我們臺灣也有一個LIMA可是LIMA它畢竟是一個電商平臺它跟那個NADA的這個性質比較不太一樣像那個NADA他們會運用原住民的這個傳統智慧跟藝術創作跟當代的這個設計進行這個媒合然後開發出這個商品跟這個作品\n\n17\n00:06:00,410 --> 00:06:28,994\n那他們甚至還會跟這個原住民的這個藝術家、設計公司共同開發出比如說具有原住民族風格的像家具、家飾等等那這個利潤大家都是像NADA或是藝術家跟這些公司它都是共享的那台灣目前還沒有辦法做到這樣我們只是提供一個像LIMA這樣子的一個電商平台那我在想說我們的會員國澳洲、紐西蘭其實他們對於原住民文化的這個重視是跟台灣是一樣的\n\n18\n00:06:29,954 --> 00:06:49,471\n在文創方面我們是不是也可以跟他們來做一個交互的交流請問主委跟委員說明剛剛你提到這個LIMA的電商平臺應該是從去年就開始推動事實上我們也有實體的電商平臺已經是一個電商平臺\n\n19\n00:06:53,514 --> 00:07:17,847\n共商家來做一個商品的一個展示等等可是我們對於這個設計師藝術家的這個提供的這個支援其實可能沒有像說澳中新南威爾斯這麼的深入我是這麼覺得是主委繼續我們這個部分其實包括我們在鄭文昌副院長還在當桃園市長的時候他已經完成一個很重要的\n\n20\n00:07:19,095 --> 00:07:37,010\n國際原住民產業的這個園區這個部分應該在明年就會正式來營運整個委員的這個有關文創的這個建議我們會把納入在整個我們推動跟國際的這個文創的部分包括紐西蘭澳洲這個部分我們會持續做交流\n\n21\n00:07:37,350 --> 00:08:01,139\n對我真想說我們都是屬於南島語族的這個國家我真想我們在這方面應該有很多的合作的這個機會我想說那我們原住民的文化呢主向國際也是一個我想也是原民會應該要來努力的這個方向尤其是我們現在有一個IPECA的這個平台我想在我們走入國際我想有更多更多的這個機會是我很謝謝委員最嚴敏的這個\n\n22\n00:08:02,399 --> 00:08:20,918\n這個IPECA的那個認知那麼深入而且都完全掌握嚴敏的地熱還有包括文創這個部分謝謝委員對這個部分的整個指教我們會持續依委員的這些建議來推動我們未來的整個原住民族產業的這個推廣OK好謝謝主委原民會加油\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11232\t36590\t去年台灣加入了這個由紐西蘭發起的原住民族經貿合作協議就是所謂的IPECA那創始的會員國除了有紐西蘭、台灣還有加拿大跟這個澳洲那這是一個國際首創以推動原住民族經貿跟投資議題為主的這個國際經貿協議那真的是非常感謝一將主委的這個努力\n37150\t54841\t那我們經歷了一年多的籌備所以這四個會員國其實在APEC期間美國召開了第一次的夥伴關係理事會那在會中我方有提出了三個優先合作的項目那第一個就是\n55922\t81687\t推動永續旅遊合作,帶動我方原住民族的經濟產業第二點就是建立官方對官方還有民間對民間的經貿窗口第三還有氣候變遷、公正轉型的碳匯對這三點本席真的是非常的肯定可是除了這三個之外之後可能還有很多的合作項目可以提出本席有提出兩個建議\n83067\t97612\t除了這個旅遊還有經貿的合作之外其實我們還可以強化深化這個再生能源產業這個跟文創產業其實本期有提出這個建議其實也有參考過其實我們\n99213\t105657\t原住民族產業與紐西蘭貿易之可行性的評估報告那我在想竟然我們有這個經貿平台其實有很多之前我們請委外的這個研究的這個內容其實我們都可以在這裡來做這個落實那美希剛剛有提到就是說所謂的再生能源產業因為台灣現在呢也在積極的推行這個再生能源產業\n128973\t131294\t紐西蘭有80%的電力是來自再生能源其中有17.8%是來自於地熱去年我們再生能源條例修正的時候其實我們也增設了地熱專案所以在紐西蘭來講\n149625\t164210\t他的地熱其實有九個地熱發電區其中有三個是由毛利人所共同持有管理紐西蘭的地熱電廠特別在毛利人參與的程度是非常的高\n164930\t187410\t那政府更是輔導毛利人自行申請籌建地熱的電廠那台灣的地熱潛能資源有40.6%其實是在我們原住民的傳統領域所以台灣是否能夠順利發展地熱其實跟原住民族的溝通合作有很\n188210\t214497\t很重要的這個關係所以我們也是希望說我們台灣其實可以透過這個原民經貿協議這個平台然後跟其他國家的這個來取經然後跟這個紐西蘭其實我們可以做一個交流那我不曉得說一將主委在跟我們的這個會員國在以後呢有沒有想到就是說我們在地政方面的我們可以來做一個交流或是做相互的這個投資\n215997\t234681\t跟委員兩點的說明第一點是關於你一開始提到的IPECA這次在美國討論到永續旅遊的這個部分的議題那其實明年的世界原民族禮物高峰會已經確定要在台灣舉行明年的試驗第一屆是在紐西蘭\n239702\t255709\t第二屆在今年的上半年在澳洲第三屆在台灣是紐西蘭主動推薦給我們這個旅遊高峰會說希望台灣來承辦我們已經取得這個承辦的這個責任所以明年4月這是一點說明\n257390\t276700\t第二點是關於委員最後提到這個有關地樂的部分其實我們這幾年跟紐西蘭已經有持續做相關的交流他們已經有多次來台灣來跟我們分享他們有關地樂剛剛委員提到這個部分所以像目前在台東的應該是在\n278484\t297093\t原品的紅葉溫泉同時有溫泉跟地熱目前公所也正在做這樣的處理這個部分我們也會藉助我們紐西亞的過去經驗實際做地熱的發展讓原住民在再生能源也有一個實質參與的潛力\n299654\t317179\t所以我想說紐西蘭其實有真的有很多可以接近的地方那再來我還有提到文創這個產業像台灣我們也是南島語系的這個運輸的這個發源地那台灣原住民的這個多元的語言跟文化我想應該也是台灣的一個主流文化\n317699\t337530\t那文創產業它其實是一個很棒的這個發展的這個途徑那像這個澳洲也就是這個IPECA的這個會員國之一澳洲的新南威爾斯州它有10個原住民土地委員會那成立了一個國家原住民設計機構就是NATA我們所謂的NATA\n338951\t353724\t那我們臺灣也有一個LIMA可是LIMA它畢竟是一個電商平臺它跟那個NADA的這個性質比較不太一樣像那個NADA他們會運用原住民的這個傳統智慧跟藝術創作跟當代的這個設計進行這個媒合然後開發出這個商品跟這個作品\n360410\t388994\t那他們甚至還會跟這個原住民的這個藝術家、設計公司共同開發出比如說具有原住民族風格的像家具、家飾等等那這個利潤大家都是像NADA或是藝術家跟這些公司它都是共享的那台灣目前還沒有辦法做到這樣我們只是提供一個像LIMA這樣子的一個電商平台那我在想說我們的會員國澳洲、紐西蘭其實他們對於原住民文化的這個重視是跟台灣是一樣的\n389954\t409471\t在文創方面我們是不是也可以跟他們來做一個交互的交流請問主委跟委員說明剛剛你提到這個LIMA的電商平臺應該是從去年就開始推動事實上我們也有實體的電商平臺已經是一個電商平臺\n413514\t437847\t共商家來做一個商品的一個展示等等可是我們對於這個設計師藝術家的這個提供的這個支援其實可能沒有像說澳中新南威爾斯這麼的深入我是這麼覺得是主委繼續我們這個部分其實包括我們在鄭文昌副院長還在當桃園市長的時候他已經完成一個很重要的\n439095\t457010\t國際原住民產業的這個園區這個部分應該在明年就會正式來營運整個委員的這個有關文創的這個建議我們會把納入在整個我們推動跟國際的這個文創的部分包括紐西蘭澳洲這個部分我們會持續做交流\n457350\t481139\t對我真想說我們都是屬於南島語族的這個國家我真想我們在這方面應該有很多的合作的這個機會我想說那我們原住民的文化呢主向國際也是一個我想也是原民會應該要來努力的這個方向尤其是我們現在有一個IPECA的這個平台我想在我們走入國際我想有更多更多的這個機會是我很謝謝委員最嚴敏的這個\n482399\t500918\t這個IPECA的那個認知那麼深入而且都完全掌握嚴敏的地熱還有包括文創這個部分謝謝委員對這個部分的整個指教我們會持續依委員的這些建議來推動我們未來的整個原住民族產業的這個推廣OK 好 謝謝主委 原民會加油\n","txt":"去年台灣加入了這個由紐西蘭發起的原住民族經貿合作協議就是所謂的IPECA那創始的會員國除了有紐西蘭、台灣還有加拿大跟這個澳洲那這是一個國際首創以推動原住民族經貿跟投資議題為主的這個國際經貿協議那真的是非常感謝一將主委的這個努力\n那我們經歷了一年多的籌備所以這四個會員國其實在APEC期間美國召開了第一次的夥伴關係理事會那在會中我方有提出了三個優先合作的項目那第一個就是\n推動永續旅遊合作,帶動我方原住民族的經濟產業第二點就是建立官方對官方還有民間對民間的經貿窗口第三還有氣候變遷、公正轉型的碳匯對這三點本席真的是非常的肯定可是除了這三個之外之後可能還有很多的合作項目可以提出本席有提出兩個建議\n除了這個旅遊還有經貿的合作之外其實我們還可以強化深化這個再生能源產業這個跟文創產業其實本期有提出這個建議其實也有參考過其實我們\n原住民族產業與紐西蘭貿易之可行性的評估報告那我在想竟然我們有這個經貿平台其實有很多之前我們請委外的這個研究的這個內容其實我們都可以在這裡來做這個落實那美希剛剛有提到就是說所謂的再生能源產業因為台灣現在呢也在積極的推行這個再生能源產業\n紐西蘭有80%的電力是來自再生能源其中有17.8%是來自於地熱去年我們再生能源條例修正的時候其實我們也增設了地熱專案所以在紐西蘭來講\n他的地熱其實有九個地熱發電區其中有三個是由毛利人所共同持有管理紐西蘭的地熱電廠特別在毛利人參與的程度是非常的高\n那政府更是輔導毛利人自行申請籌建地熱的電廠那台灣的地熱潛能資源有40.6%其實是在我們原住民的傳統領域所以台灣是否能夠順利發展地熱其實跟原住民族的溝通合作有很\n很重要的這個關係所以我們也是希望說我們台灣其實可以透過這個原民經貿協議這個平台然後跟其他國家的這個來取經然後跟這個紐西蘭其實我們可以做一個交流那我不曉得說一將主委在跟我們的這個會員國在以後呢有沒有想到就是說我們在地政方面的我們可以來做一個交流或是做相互的這個投資\n跟委員兩點的說明第一點是關於你一開始提到的IPECA這次在美國討論到永續旅遊的這個部分的議題那其實明年的世界原民族禮物高峰會已經確定要在台灣舉行明年的試驗第一屆是在紐西蘭\n第二屆在今年的上半年在澳洲第三屆在台灣是紐西蘭主動推薦給我們這個旅遊高峰會說希望台灣來承辦我們已經取得這個承辦的這個責任所以明年4月這是一點說明\n第二點是關於委員最後提到這個有關地樂的部分其實我們這幾年跟紐西蘭已經有持續做相關的交流他們已經有多次來台灣來跟我們分享他們有關地樂剛剛委員提到這個部分所以像目前在台東的應該是在\n原品的紅葉溫泉同時有溫泉跟地熱目前公所也正在做這樣的處理這個部分我們也會藉助我們紐西亞的過去經驗實際做地熱的發展讓原住民在再生能源也有一個實質參與的潛力\n所以我想說紐西蘭其實有真的有很多可以接近的地方那再來我還有提到文創這個產業像台灣我們也是南島語系的這個運輸的這個發源地那台灣原住民的這個多元的語言跟文化我想應該也是台灣的一個主流文化\n那文創產業它其實是一個很棒的這個發展的這個途徑那像這個澳洲也就是這個IPECA的這個會員國之一澳洲的新南威爾斯州它有10個原住民土地委員會那成立了一個國家原住民設計機構就是NATA我們所謂的NATA\n那我們臺灣也有一個LIMA可是LIMA它畢竟是一個電商平臺它跟那個NADA的這個性質比較不太一樣像那個NADA他們會運用原住民的這個傳統智慧跟藝術創作跟當代的這個設計進行這個媒合然後開發出這個商品跟這個作品\n那他們甚至還會跟這個原住民的這個藝術家、設計公司共同開發出比如說具有原住民族風格的像家具、家飾等等那這個利潤大家都是像NADA或是藝術家跟這些公司它都是共享的那台灣目前還沒有辦法做到這樣我們只是提供一個像LIMA這樣子的一個電商平台那我在想說我們的會員國澳洲、紐西蘭其實他們對於原住民文化的這個重視是跟台灣是一樣的\n在文創方面我們是不是也可以跟他們來做一個交互的交流請問主委跟委員說明剛剛你提到這個LIMA的電商平臺應該是從去年就開始推動事實上我們也有實體的電商平臺已經是一個電商平臺\n共商家來做一個商品的一個展示等等可是我們對於這個設計師藝術家的這個提供的這個支援其實可能沒有像說澳中新南威爾斯這麼的深入我是這麼覺得是主委繼續我們這個部分其實包括我們在鄭文昌副院長還在當桃園市長的時候他已經完成一個很重要的\n國際原住民產業的這個園區這個部分應該在明年就會正式來營運整個委員的這個有關文創的這個建議我們會把納入在整個我們推動跟國際的這個文創的部分包括紐西蘭澳洲這個部分我們會持續做交流\n對我真想說我們都是屬於南島語族的這個國家我真想我們在這方面應該有很多的合作的這個機會我想說那我們原住民的文化呢主向國際也是一個我想也是原民會應該要來努力的這個方向尤其是我們現在有一個IPECA的這個平台我想在我們走入國際我想有更多更多的這個機會是我很謝謝委員最嚴敏的這個\n這個IPECA的那個認知那麼深入而且都完全掌握嚴敏的地熱還有包括文創這個部分謝謝委員對這個部分的整個指教我們會持續依委員的這些建議來推動我們未來的整個原住民族產業的這個推廣OK 好 謝謝主委 原民會加油\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.232 --> 00:36.590\n去年台灣加入了這個由紐西蘭發起的原住民族經貿合作協議就是所謂的IPECA那創始的會員國除了有紐西蘭、台灣還有加拿大跟這個澳洲那這是一個國際首創以推動原住民族經貿跟投資議題為主的這個國際經貿協議那真的是非常感謝一將主委的這個努力\n\n00:37.150 --> 00:54.841\n那我們經歷了一年多的籌備所以這四個會員國其實在APEC期間美國召開了第一次的夥伴關係理事會那在會中我方有提出了三個優先合作的項目那第一個就是\n\n00:55.922 --> 01:21.687\n推動永續旅遊合作,帶動我方原住民族的經濟產業第二點就是建立官方對官方還有民間對民間的經貿窗口第三還有氣候變遷、公正轉型的碳匯對這三點本席真的是非常的肯定可是除了這三個之外之後可能還有很多的合作項目可以提出本席有提出兩個建議\n\n01:23.067 --> 01:37.612\n除了這個旅遊還有經貿的合作之外其實我們還可以強化深化這個再生能源產業這個跟文創產業其實本期有提出這個建議其實也有參考過其實我們\n\n01:39.213 --> 01:45.657\n原住民族產業與紐西蘭貿易之可行性的評估報告那我在想竟然我們有這個經貿平台其實有很多之前我們請委外的這個研究的這個內容其實我們都可以在這裡來做這個落實那美希剛剛有提到就是說所謂的再生能源產業因為台灣現在呢也在積極的推行這個再生能源產業\n\n02:08.973 --> 02:11.294\n紐西蘭有80%的電力是來自再生能源其中有17.8%是來自於地熱去年我們再生能源條例修正的時候其實我們也增設了地熱專案所以在紐西蘭來講\n\n02:29.625 --> 02:44.210\n他的地熱其實有九個地熱發電區其中有三個是由毛利人所共同持有管理紐西蘭的地熱電廠特別在毛利人參與的程度是非常的高\n\n02:44.930 --> 03:07.410\n那政府更是輔導毛利人自行申請籌建地熱的電廠那台灣的地熱潛能資源有40.6%其實是在我們原住民的傳統領域所以台灣是否能夠順利發展地熱其實跟原住民族的溝通合作有很\n\n03:08.210 --> 03:34.497\n很重要的這個關係所以我們也是希望說我們台灣其實可以透過這個原民經貿協議這個平台然後跟其他國家的這個來取經然後跟這個紐西蘭其實我們可以做一個交流那我不曉得說一將主委在跟我們的這個會員國在以後呢有沒有想到就是說我們在地政方面的我們可以來做一個交流或是做相互的這個投資\n\n03:35.997 --> 03:54.681\n跟委員兩點的說明第一點是關於你一開始提到的IPECA這次在美國討論到永續旅遊的這個部分的議題那其實明年的世界原民族禮物高峰會已經確定要在台灣舉行明年的試驗第一屆是在紐西蘭\n\n03:59.702 --> 04:15.709\n第二屆在今年的上半年在澳洲第三屆在台灣是紐西蘭主動推薦給我們這個旅遊高峰會說希望台灣來承辦我們已經取得這個承辦的這個責任所以明年4月這是一點說明\n\n04:17.390 --> 04:36.700\n第二點是關於委員最後提到這個有關地樂的部分其實我們這幾年跟紐西蘭已經有持續做相關的交流他們已經有多次來台灣來跟我們分享他們有關地樂剛剛委員提到這個部分所以像目前在台東的應該是在\n\n04:38.484 --> 04:57.093\n原品的紅葉溫泉同時有溫泉跟地熱目前公所也正在做這樣的處理這個部分我們也會藉助我們紐西亞的過去經驗實際做地熱的發展讓原住民在再生能源也有一個實質參與的潛力\n\n04:59.654 --> 05:17.179\n所以我想說紐西蘭其實有真的有很多可以接近的地方那再來我還有提到文創這個產業像台灣我們也是南島語系的這個運輸的這個發源地那台灣原住民的這個多元的語言跟文化我想應該也是台灣的一個主流文化\n\n05:17.699 --> 05:37.530\n那文創產業它其實是一個很棒的這個發展的這個途徑那像這個澳洲也就是這個IPECA的這個會員國之一澳洲的新南威爾斯州它有10個原住民土地委員會那成立了一個國家原住民設計機構就是NATA我們所謂的NATA\n\n05:38.951 --> 05:53.724\n那我們臺灣也有一個LIMA可是LIMA它畢竟是一個電商平臺它跟那個NADA的這個性質比較不太一樣像那個NADA他們會運用原住民的這個傳統智慧跟藝術創作跟當代的這個設計進行這個媒合然後開發出這個商品跟這個作品\n\n06:00.410 --> 06:28.994\n那他們甚至還會跟這個原住民的這個藝術家、設計公司共同開發出比如說具有原住民族風格的像家具、家飾等等那這個利潤大家都是像NADA或是藝術家跟這些公司它都是共享的那台灣目前還沒有辦法做到這樣我們只是提供一個像LIMA這樣子的一個電商平台那我在想說我們的會員國澳洲、紐西蘭其實他們對於原住民文化的這個重視是跟台灣是一樣的\n\n06:29.954 --> 06:49.471\n在文創方面我們是不是也可以跟他們來做一個交互的交流請問主委跟委員說明剛剛你提到這個LIMA的電商平臺應該是從去年就開始推動事實上我們也有實體的電商平臺已經是一個電商平臺\n\n06:53.514 --> 07:17.847\n共商家來做一個商品的一個展示等等可是我們對於這個設計師藝術家的這個提供的這個支援其實可能沒有像說澳中新南威爾斯這麼的深入我是這麼覺得是主委繼續我們這個部分其實包括我們在鄭文昌副院長還在當桃園市長的時候他已經完成一個很重要的\n\n07:19.095 --> 07:37.010\n國際原住民產業的這個園區這個部分應該在明年就會正式來營運整個委員的這個有關文創的這個建議我們會把納入在整個我們推動跟國際的這個文創的部分包括紐西蘭澳洲這個部分我們會持續做交流\n\n07:37.350 --> 08:01.139\n對我真想說我們都是屬於南島語族的這個國家我真想我們在這方面應該有很多的合作的這個機會我想說那我們原住民的文化呢主向國際也是一個我想也是原民會應該要來努力的這個方向尤其是我們現在有一個IPECA的這個平台我想在我們走入國際我想有更多更多的這個機會是我很謝謝委員最嚴敏的這個\n\n08:02.399 --> 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