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00:00:55,958\n這個部分一定會被偵測到但是部長請問我們現在目前這些作為是不是已經足夠爭取應變的時間保障台灣的安全就你目前在大選前夕你現在掌握的狀況目前我們要看有沒有一個徵後嘛當然目前沒有什麼特別徵後但它有這個聯合軍演聯合戰這個警行戰備警行都是一個好像週期性的大概每個月都會有\n\n3\n00:00:57,418 --> 00:01:23,978\n我們掌握就這個我們也不期望有什麼異常的狀況發生所以我們持續密切注意那接續這個問題對於昨天有某位副總統參選人提出當選之後要單向派軍事觀察員赴中國常駐以確保台灣的安全請問邱部長您認為需不需要派觀察員常駐大陸能不能保障台灣的安全我跟委員報告選舉議題我們通常不做任何評論因為第一我就\n\n4\n00:01:27,461 --> 00:01:53,977\n其實講說國軍是一向就是行政本來就中立的嘛因為我們選舉了以後拋出的議題就要我們國防部表達意見我認為不妥了就算我有看法但我絕對不會這樣公開這樣表達我個人的任何看法就跟平常有很多學者專家討論國防議題我不只講他我很尊重他做專業的人他有立論基礎但國防部從來不會去參與討論一樣道理尤其在選舉期間\n\n5\n00:01:56,158 --> 00:02:03,043\n對任何人發表任何言論,只要跟國軍有關的,我國防部、我部長代表不做任何事貴。接下來這個問題就跟國軍有直接的關係。我想就針對這個共諜的案件。近日這個國防大學證實這個\n\n6\n00:02:13,109 --> 00:02:42,325\n目前這個理工學院的教授葛明德主持先進系統工程研究中心這個部分是中管國軍國防產業需求跟科技的整合但是他卻在外開設公司並且與中國的技術合作那公司的董事會更在校內召開相關的作為這個會影響相關的國安危機那國防大學表示已經成立專案小組啟動調查如果葛原有涉不法絕不寬戴這是目前這個國防部的一個說法\n\n7\n00:02:42,585 --> 00:03:02,434\n那我想就叫邱部長還有另外一個議題就是說今天有媒體報導國防部軍事安全總隊及高檢署今年7月底破獲近十餘年來最大商人謝炳成發展軍中的共諜網案這個是今天稍早的消息那竟然發現史無前例的架機叛逃的計畫\n\n8\n00:03:03,334 --> 00:03:28,732\n那前航特部的謝信忠孝計劃跟謝秉成共諜以大約新台幣4.8億元及泰國永久居留權為他的代價趁今年6月大陸軍演的時候山東號航艦行進台海中線之際秘密駕駛CH-47的直升機叛逃並且降落山東艦幸好在叛逃前遭到逮捕以致他這個計劃失敗那針對這兩個\n\n9\n00:03:31,314 --> 00:03:51,154\n案子,請問邱部長你目前掌握的狀況如何?要不要在這邊說明一下?我坦白跟各位,我跟委員報告,也跟我們同仁報告,對這件事情我講得我相當沉痛。所以國軍在這一方面一個很基本的概念,對國家的防衛,對一個單位的一個忠誠度,遭到這種\n\n10\n00:03:53,456 --> 00:03:56,258\n二、審查本院委員二、審查本院委員\n\n11\n00:04:12,659 --> 00:04:36,489\n那我想實際的管理面的部分包含就是說這位葛教授是不是有涉及國家安全利益跟機密的人員那尤其這種涉及國家核心關鍵技術的業務人員他有受到什麼規範禁止前往大陸的相關對象那國防部跟國防大學的這個管制從這個案子看出來他相對來講是鬆散的這中間的這個管理漏洞要怎麼樣去補強\n\n12\n00:04:37,809 --> 00:05:01,628\n所以我這個案子我已經採取兩個步驟,就同步在做案,具體的。第一個說法辦,因為剛剛委員所提的幾個問題,只要跟法有關的交給法辦,他引經據典,該辦他就辦他,就第一個。第二個我不能講我等待法辦結果以後我們才知道,同步我們在行政調查,只要跟他這個人有關的,跟他的工作有關的,\n\n13\n00:05:02,549 --> 00:05:25,127\n我們相關牽涉這個人員,我們展開行政方面應該要警告…我想,嚴辦絕不寬待,這個都是事後,但是事前的預防機制、防堵機制、相關法令的一個完善,這個才是預防剩餘治療的一個主要的重點。那我想就教邱部長,那國防部現職的軍官,哪一些人到底可以前往中國大陸,哪一些人不能前往?\n\n14\n00:05:25,367 --> 00:05:26,048\n二、審查本院國民黨黨團擬具\n\n15\n00:05:49,349 --> 00:06:07,385\n透過這兩個案子在內部的內控管理因為我想不管任何的這個法辦或是絕不寬大的態度這都是事後的一個處理的方式但是如何有效的機制管理這個才是事情根本的重點那是不是請部長說明一下這要怎麼強化後續的管理機制跟管理漏洞\n\n16\n00:06:07,945 --> 00:06:28,098\n基本上我跟委員報告,就是說原則上現役軍人沒有哪一個可以同意到大陸地區的,現在都沒有。那退役以後,看他當初在軍中服役,在服勤當中的職務,受命等級等等,各有規範。那目前我們平常都在做的。\n\n17\n00:06:28,858 --> 00:06:49,053\n陳副國防委員有提到,保防這個工作我們真的在很加強,所以最近我並不幫我推責任,有幾件事情真的是保防人員發覺了以後,深入來調查的,但我們不以此為滿意啦,有這幾件大案子一連串出來,這國防部的確要痛斷是痛的。\n\n18\n00:06:49,053 --> 00:06:54,317\n總體盤點提出一個建議請邱部長、國防部儘速針對這兩個案子盤點相關法制上的漏洞尤其是要針對從事國防事務限職及退離職人員申請進入中國大陸地區的作業規定要做嚴加的管控\n\n19\n00:07:10,348 --> 00:07:26,886\n對於前往大陸的高階人員及接觸機密跟專利的人士來去做相關的一個嚴格管制,尤其這次葛元的事情必須從重處罰,下部為例完全杜絕。那針對這個相關的法令的一個作業規定,應該要去做總體的一個盤點。\n\n20\n00:07:28,627 --> 00:07:52,320\n第二、針對今天的重點,兵役延長的配套機制。我想本席之前也在這邊提出兵役延長的整個配套跟整備狀況的質詢。包含針對徵集訓練作業、分派作業跟服役期間的提繳退休金的作業,其實陸陸續續國防部都有做,我們也知道慢慢的再去完善。但是到底一無一要不要上戰場,\n\n21\n00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,161\n二、審查本院國民黨團擬具\n\n22\n00:08:17,139 --> 00:08:38,569\n我想就教邱部長除了主戰部隊之外備戰部隊包含義務役、兵力的訓練要不要做好上戰場的準備那相關的訓練內容有沒有去做一個調整那另外一個部分因為近年來受到少子女化的影響那國軍招募人才嚴重不足那這個其實是可見的未來未來在相關能力的補充有沒有具體的一個作為\n\n23\n00:08:39,489 --> 00:09:04,426\n我跟委員報告,我這邊我要再次強調一次,因為以前我也在很多公開場合,我也表達過,臺灣防疫作戰,我們不期望它會成真。但我們平常要做準備工作就是防止、避免這種事發生。但如果一旦發生了,我想臺灣就那麼大的地方,不大。一旦發生了臺灣防疫作戰,槍炮一響,沒有前方後方。\n\n24\n00:09:05,706 --> 00:09:19,696\n所以我要求我們所有同仁要有一個觀念處處是戰場實時做訓練就為了這個不期望發生的事情一旦發生了我們好歹也要做一些很積極的準備\n\n25\n00:09:21,477 --> 00:09:43,657\n第二、有些人的表達方法我不了解,我也沒有任何評論。比如說我們對戰場的界定,可能一般講說我只要在牆裏面,外面如果打亂,那個外面是戰場,我裏面不是。但我已經講了,颱風發生之後,槍炮一響,沒有前方後方之分。\n\n26\n00:09:44,598 --> 00:10:11,033\n我想全民國防除了我們自主的防衛意識之外其實各國也都在看那如何精實訓練的內容跟保障藝男的這個權益的一個前提之下能夠落實前線國防跟民防甚至中央地方政府的一個合作我想這個未來還有很長的路要走我希望部長能夠繼續堅持住應該要把這個相關的細節包含全民國防手冊的完善還有這個中央地方政府的相關溝通\n\n27\n00:10:13,494 --> 00:10:27,908\n以及藝南的心理建設還有我們國軍志願役相關的一個權益也不要讓他們有這個相對剝奪感最重要是重新提振國軍弟兄的榮譽感跟士氣我覺得這是非常重要的希望部長可以繼續努力謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n657\t2118\t九月下旬邱部長首度有證實我國對大陸有徵收雷達跟國際情報的交流可以清楚掌握到東南沿海的共軍動態另外您上次也說如果中共要對台進行軍事行為部隊必須事先大規模的調動\n29251\t55958\t這個部分一定會被偵測到但是部長請問我們現在目前這些作為是不是已經足夠爭取應變的時間保障台灣的安全就你目前在大選前夕你現在掌握的狀況目前我們要看有沒有一個徵後嘛當然目前沒有什麼特別徵後但它有這個聯合軍演聯合戰這個警行戰備警行都是一個好像週期性的大概每個月都會有\n57418\t83978\t我們掌握就這個我們也不期望有什麼異常的狀況發生所以我們持續密切注意那接續這個問題對於昨天有某位副總統參選人提出當選之後要單向派軍事觀察員赴中國常駐以確保台灣的安全請問邱部長您認為需不需要派觀察員常駐大陸能不能保障台灣的安全我跟委員報告選舉議題我們通常不做任何評論因為第一我就\n87461\t113977\t其實講說國軍是一向就是行政本來就中立的嘛因為我們選舉了以後拋出的議題就要我們國防部表達意見我認為不妥了就算我有看法但我絕對不會這樣公開這樣表達我個人的任何看法就跟平常有很多學者專家討論國防議題我不只講他我很尊重他做專業的人他有立論基礎但國防部從來不會去參與討論一樣道理尤其在選舉期間\n116158\t123043\t對任何人發表任何言論,只要跟國軍有關的,我國防部、我部長代表不做任何事貴。接下來這個問題就跟國軍有直接的關係。我想就針對這個共諜的案件。近日這個國防大學證實這個\n133109\t162325\t目前這個理工學院的教授葛明德主持先進系統工程研究中心這個部分是中管國軍國防產業需求跟科技的整合但是他卻在外開設公司並且與中國的技術合作那公司的董事會更在校內召開相關的作為這個會影響相關的國安危機那國防大學表示已經成立專案小組啟動調查如果葛原有涉不法絕不寬戴這是目前這個國防部的一個說法\n162585\t182434\t那我想就叫邱部長還有另外一個議題就是說今天有媒體報導國防部軍事安全總隊及高檢署今年7月底破獲近十餘年來最大商人謝炳成發展軍中的共諜網案這個是今天稍早的消息那竟然發現史無前例的架機叛逃的計畫\n183334\t208732\t那前航特部的謝信忠孝計劃跟謝秉成共諜以大約新台幣4.8億元及泰國永久居留權為他的代價趁今年6月大陸軍演的時候山東號航艦行進台海中線之際秘密駕駛CH-47的直升機叛逃並且降落山東艦幸好在叛逃前遭到逮捕以致他這個計劃失敗那針對這兩個\n211314\t231154\t案子,請問邱部長你目前掌握的狀況如何?要不要在這邊說明一下?我坦白跟各位,我跟委員報告,也跟我們同仁報告,對這件事情我講得我相當沉痛。所以國軍在這一方面一個很基本的概念,對國家的防衛,對一個單位的一個忠誠度,遭到這種\n233456\t236258\t二、審查本院委員二、審查本院委員\n252659\t276489\t那我想實際的管理面的部分包含就是說這位葛教授是不是有涉及國家安全利益跟機密的人員那尤其這種涉及國家核心關鍵技術的業務人員他有受到什麼規範禁止前往大陸的相關對象那國防部跟國防大學的這個管制從這個案子看出來他相對來講是鬆散的這中間的這個管理漏洞要怎麼樣去補強\n277809\t301628\t所以我這個案子我已經採取兩個步驟,就同步在做案,具體的。第一個說法辦,因為剛剛委員所提的幾個問題,只要跟法有關的交給法辦,他引經據典,該辦他就辦他,就第一個。第二個我不能講我等待法辦結果以後我們才知道,同步我們在行政調查,只要跟他這個人有關的,跟他的工作有關的,\n302549\t325127\t我們相關牽涉這個人員,我們展開行政方面應該要警告…我想,嚴辦絕不寬待,這個都是事後,但是事前的預防機制、防堵機制、相關法令的一個完善,這個才是預防剩餘治療的一個主要的重點。那我想就教邱部長,那國防部現職的軍官,哪一些人到底可以前往中國大陸,哪一些人不能前往?\n325367\t326048\t二、審查本院國民黨黨團擬具\n349349\t367385\t透過這兩個案子在內部的內控管理因為我想不管任何的這個法辦或是絕不寬大的態度這都是事後的一個處理的方式但是如何有效的機制管理這個才是事情根本的重點那是不是請部長說明一下這要怎麼強化後續的管理機制跟管理漏洞\n367945\t388098\t基本上我跟委員報告,就是說原則上現役軍人沒有哪一個可以同意到大陸地區的,現在都沒有。那退役以後,看他當初在軍中服役,在服勤當中的職務,受命等級等等,各有規範。那目前我們平常都在做的。\n388858\t409053\t陳副國防委員有提到,保防這個工作我們真的在很加強,所以最近我並不幫我推責任,有幾件事情真的是保防人員發覺了以後,深入來調查的,但我們不以此為滿意啦,有這幾件大案子一連串出來,這國防部的確要痛斷是痛的。\n409053\t414317\t總體盤點提出一個建議請邱部長、國防部儘速針對這兩個案子盤點相關法制上的漏洞尤其是要針對從事國防事務限職及退離職人員申請進入中國大陸地區的作業規定要做嚴加的管控\n430348\t446886\t對於前往大陸的高階人員及接觸機密跟專利的人士來去做相關的一個嚴格管制,尤其這次葛元的事情必須從重處罰,下部為例完全杜絕。那針對這個相關的法令的一個作業規定,應該要去做總體的一個盤點。\n448627\t472320\t第二、針對今天的重點,兵役延長的配套機制。我想本席之前也在這邊提出兵役延長的整個配套跟整備狀況的質詢。包含針對徵集訓練作業、分派作業跟服役期間的提繳退休金的作業,其實陸陸續續國防部都有做,我們也知道慢慢的再去完善。但是到底一無一要不要上戰場,\n473120\t474161\t二、審查本院國民黨團擬具\n497139\t518569\t我想就教邱部長除了主戰部隊之外備戰部隊包含義務役、兵力的訓練要不要做好上戰場的準備那相關的訓練內容有沒有去做一個調整那另外一個部分因為近年來受到少子女化的影響那國軍招募人才嚴重不足那這個其實是可見的未來未來在相關能力的補充有沒有具體的一個作為\n519489\t544426\t我跟委員報告,我這邊我要再次強調一次,因為以前我也在很多公開場合,我也表達過,臺灣防疫作戰,我們不期望它會成真。但我們平常要做準備工作就是防止、避免這種事發生。但如果一旦發生了,我想臺灣就那麼大的地方,不大。一旦發生了臺灣防疫作戰,槍炮一響,沒有前方後方。\n545706\t559696\t所以我要求我們所有同仁要有一個觀念處處是戰場實時做訓練就為了這個不期望發生的事情一旦發生了我們好歹也要做一些很積極的準備\n561477\t583657\t第二、有些人的表達方法我不了解,我也沒有任何評論。比如說我們對戰場的界定,可能一般講說我只要在牆裏面,外面如果打亂,那個外面是戰場,我裏面不是。但我已經講了,颱風發生之後,槍炮一響,沒有前方後方之分。\n584598\t611033\t我想全民國防除了我們自主的防衛意識之外其實各國也都在看那如何精實訓練的內容跟保障藝男的這個權益的一個前提之下能夠落實前線國防跟民防甚至中央地方政府的一個合作我想這個未來還有很長的路要走我希望部長能夠繼續堅持住應該要把這個相關的細節包含全民國防手冊的完善還有這個中央地方政府的相關溝通\n613494\t627908\t以及藝南的心理建設還有我們國軍志願役相關的一個權益也不要讓他們有這個相對剝奪感最重要是重新提振國軍弟兄的榮譽感跟士氣我覺得這是非常重要的希望部長可以繼續努力謝謝\n","txt":"九月下旬邱部長首度有證實我國對大陸有徵收雷達跟國際情報的交流可以清楚掌握到東南沿海的共軍動態另外您上次也說如果中共要對台進行軍事行為部隊必須事先大規模的調動\n這個部分一定會被偵測到但是部長請問我們現在目前這些作為是不是已經足夠爭取應變的時間保障台灣的安全就你目前在大選前夕你現在掌握的狀況目前我們要看有沒有一個徵後嘛當然目前沒有什麼特別徵後但它有這個聯合軍演聯合戰這個警行戰備警行都是一個好像週期性的大概每個月都會有\n我們掌握就這個我們也不期望有什麼異常的狀況發生所以我們持續密切注意那接續這個問題對於昨天有某位副總統參選人提出當選之後要單向派軍事觀察員赴中國常駐以確保台灣的安全請問邱部長您認為需不需要派觀察員常駐大陸能不能保障台灣的安全我跟委員報告選舉議題我們通常不做任何評論因為第一我就\n其實講說國軍是一向就是行政本來就中立的嘛因為我們選舉了以後拋出的議題就要我們國防部表達意見我認為不妥了就算我有看法但我絕對不會這樣公開這樣表達我個人的任何看法就跟平常有很多學者專家討論國防議題我不只講他我很尊重他做專業的人他有立論基礎但國防部從來不會去參與討論一樣道理尤其在選舉期間\n對任何人發表任何言論,只要跟國軍有關的,我國防部、我部長代表不做任何事貴。接下來這個問題就跟國軍有直接的關係。我想就針對這個共諜的案件。近日這個國防大學證實這個\n目前這個理工學院的教授葛明德主持先進系統工程研究中心這個部分是中管國軍國防產業需求跟科技的整合但是他卻在外開設公司並且與中國的技術合作那公司的董事會更在校內召開相關的作為這個會影響相關的國安危機那國防大學表示已經成立專案小組啟動調查如果葛原有涉不法絕不寬戴這是目前這個國防部的一個說法\n那我想就叫邱部長還有另外一個議題就是說今天有媒體報導國防部軍事安全總隊及高檢署今年7月底破獲近十餘年來最大商人謝炳成發展軍中的共諜網案這個是今天稍早的消息那竟然發現史無前例的架機叛逃的計畫\n那前航特部的謝信忠孝計劃跟謝秉成共諜以大約新台幣4.8億元及泰國永久居留權為他的代價趁今年6月大陸軍演的時候山東號航艦行進台海中線之際秘密駕駛CH-47的直升機叛逃並且降落山東艦幸好在叛逃前遭到逮捕以致他這個計劃失敗那針對這兩個\n案子,請問邱部長你目前掌握的狀況如何?要不要在這邊說明一下?我坦白跟各位,我跟委員報告,也跟我們同仁報告,對這件事情我講得我相當沉痛。所以國軍在這一方面一個很基本的概念,對國家的防衛,對一個單位的一個忠誠度,遭到這種\n二、審查本院委員二、審查本院委員\n那我想實際的管理面的部分包含就是說這位葛教授是不是有涉及國家安全利益跟機密的人員那尤其這種涉及國家核心關鍵技術的業務人員他有受到什麼規範禁止前往大陸的相關對象那國防部跟國防大學的這個管制從這個案子看出來他相對來講是鬆散的這中間的這個管理漏洞要怎麼樣去補強\n所以我這個案子我已經採取兩個步驟,就同步在做案,具體的。第一個說法辦,因為剛剛委員所提的幾個問題,只要跟法有關的交給法辦,他引經據典,該辦他就辦他,就第一個。第二個我不能講我等待法辦結果以後我們才知道,同步我們在行政調查,只要跟他這個人有關的,跟他的工作有關的,\n我們相關牽涉這個人員,我們展開行政方面應該要警告…我想,嚴辦絕不寬待,這個都是事後,但是事前的預防機制、防堵機制、相關法令的一個完善,這個才是預防剩餘治療的一個主要的重點。那我想就教邱部長,那國防部現職的軍官,哪一些人到底可以前往中國大陸,哪一些人不能前往?\n二、審查本院國民黨黨團擬具\n透過這兩個案子在內部的內控管理因為我想不管任何的這個法辦或是絕不寬大的態度這都是事後的一個處理的方式但是如何有效的機制管理這個才是事情根本的重點那是不是請部長說明一下這要怎麼強化後續的管理機制跟管理漏洞\n基本上我跟委員報告,就是說原則上現役軍人沒有哪一個可以同意到大陸地區的,現在都沒有。那退役以後,看他當初在軍中服役,在服勤當中的職務,受命等級等等,各有規範。那目前我們平常都在做的。\n陳副國防委員有提到,保防這個工作我們真的在很加強,所以最近我並不幫我推責任,有幾件事情真的是保防人員發覺了以後,深入來調查的,但我們不以此為滿意啦,有這幾件大案子一連串出來,這國防部的確要痛斷是痛的。\n總體盤點提出一個建議請邱部長、國防部儘速針對這兩個案子盤點相關法制上的漏洞尤其是要針對從事國防事務限職及退離職人員申請進入中國大陸地區的作業規定要做嚴加的管控\n對於前往大陸的高階人員及接觸機密跟專利的人士來去做相關的一個嚴格管制,尤其這次葛元的事情必須從重處罰,下部為例完全杜絕。那針對這個相關的法令的一個作業規定,應該要去做總體的一個盤點。\n第二、針對今天的重點,兵役延長的配套機制。我想本席之前也在這邊提出兵役延長的整個配套跟整備狀況的質詢。包含針對徵集訓練作業、分派作業跟服役期間的提繳退休金的作業,其實陸陸續續國防部都有做,我們也知道慢慢的再去完善。但是到底一無一要不要上戰場,\n二、審查本院國民黨團擬具\n我想就教邱部長除了主戰部隊之外備戰部隊包含義務役、兵力的訓練要不要做好上戰場的準備那相關的訓練內容有沒有去做一個調整那另外一個部分因為近年來受到少子女化的影響那國軍招募人才嚴重不足那這個其實是可見的未來未來在相關能力的補充有沒有具體的一個作為\n我跟委員報告,我這邊我要再次強調一次,因為以前我也在很多公開場合,我也表達過,臺灣防疫作戰,我們不期望它會成真。但我們平常要做準備工作就是防止、避免這種事發生。但如果一旦發生了,我想臺灣就那麼大的地方,不大。一旦發生了臺灣防疫作戰,槍炮一響,沒有前方後方。\n所以我要求我們所有同仁要有一個觀念處處是戰場實時做訓練就為了這個不期望發生的事情一旦發生了我們好歹也要做一些很積極的準備\n第二、有些人的表達方法我不了解,我也沒有任何評論。比如說我們對戰場的界定,可能一般講說我只要在牆裏面,外面如果打亂,那個外面是戰場,我裏面不是。但我已經講了,颱風發生之後,槍炮一響,沒有前方後方之分。\n我想全民國防除了我們自主的防衛意識之外其實各國也都在看那如何精實訓練的內容跟保障藝男的這個權益的一個前提之下能夠落實前線國防跟民防甚至中央地方政府的一個合作我想這個未來還有很長的路要走我希望部長能夠繼續堅持住應該要把這個相關的細節包含全民國防手冊的完善還有這個中央地方政府的相關溝通\n以及藝南的心理建設還有我們國軍志願役相關的一個權益也不要讓他們有這個相對剝奪感最重要是重新提振國軍弟兄的榮譽感跟士氣我覺得這是非常重要的希望部長可以繼續努力謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.657 --> 00:02.118\n九月下旬邱部長首度有證實我國對大陸有徵收雷達跟國際情報的交流可以清楚掌握到東南沿海的共軍動態另外您上次也說如果中共要對台進行軍事行為部隊必須事先大規模的調動\n\n00:29.251 --> 00:55.958\n這個部分一定會被偵測到但是部長請問我們現在目前這些作為是不是已經足夠爭取應變的時間保障台灣的安全就你目前在大選前夕你現在掌握的狀況目前我們要看有沒有一個徵後嘛當然目前沒有什麼特別徵後但它有這個聯合軍演聯合戰這個警行戰備警行都是一個好像週期性的大概每個月都會有\n\n00:57.418 --> 01:23.978\n我們掌握就這個我們也不期望有什麼異常的狀況發生所以我們持續密切注意那接續這個問題對於昨天有某位副總統參選人提出當選之後要單向派軍事觀察員赴中國常駐以確保台灣的安全請問邱部長您認為需不需要派觀察員常駐大陸能不能保障台灣的安全我跟委員報告選舉議題我們通常不做任何評論因為第一我就\n\n01:27.461 --> 01:53.977\n其實講說國軍是一向就是行政本來就中立的嘛因為我們選舉了以後拋出的議題就要我們國防部表達意見我認為不妥了就算我有看法但我絕對不會這樣公開這樣表達我個人的任何看法就跟平常有很多學者專家討論國防議題我不只講他我很尊重他做專業的人他有立論基礎但國防部從來不會去參與討論一樣道理尤其在選舉期間\n\n01:56.158 --> 02:03.043\n對任何人發表任何言論,只要跟國軍有關的,我國防部、我部長代表不做任何事貴。接下來這個問題就跟國軍有直接的關係。我想就針對這個共諜的案件。近日這個國防大學證實這個\n\n02:13.109 --> 02:42.325\n目前這個理工學院的教授葛明德主持先進系統工程研究中心這個部分是中管國軍國防產業需求跟科技的整合但是他卻在外開設公司並且與中國的技術合作那公司的董事會更在校內召開相關的作為這個會影響相關的國安危機那國防大學表示已經成立專案小組啟動調查如果葛原有涉不法絕不寬戴這是目前這個國防部的一個說法\n\n02:42.585 --> 03:02.434\n那我想就叫邱部長還有另外一個議題就是說今天有媒體報導國防部軍事安全總隊及高檢署今年7月底破獲近十餘年來最大商人謝炳成發展軍中的共諜網案這個是今天稍早的消息那竟然發現史無前例的架機叛逃的計畫\n\n03:03.334 --> 03:28.732\n那前航特部的謝信忠孝計劃跟謝秉成共諜以大約新台幣4.8億元及泰國永久居留權為他的代價趁今年6月大陸軍演的時候山東號航艦行進台海中線之際秘密駕駛CH-47的直升機叛逃並且降落山東艦幸好在叛逃前遭到逮捕以致他這個計劃失敗那針對這兩個\n\n03:31.314 --> 03:51.154\n案子,請問邱部長你目前掌握的狀況如何?要不要在這邊說明一下?我坦白跟各位,我跟委員報告,也跟我們同仁報告,對這件事情我講得我相當沉痛。所以國軍在這一方面一個很基本的概念,對國家的防衛,對一個單位的一個忠誠度,遭到這種\n\n03:53.456 --> 03:56.258\n二、審查本院委員二、審查本院委員\n\n04:12.659 --> 04:36.489\n那我想實際的管理面的部分包含就是說這位葛教授是不是有涉及國家安全利益跟機密的人員那尤其這種涉及國家核心關鍵技術的業務人員他有受到什麼規範禁止前往大陸的相關對象那國防部跟國防大學的這個管制從這個案子看出來他相對來講是鬆散的這中間的這個管理漏洞要怎麼樣去補強\n\n04:37.809 --> 05:01.628\n所以我這個案子我已經採取兩個步驟,就同步在做案,具體的。第一個說法辦,因為剛剛委員所提的幾個問題,只要跟法有關的交給法辦,他引經據典,該辦他就辦他,就第一個。第二個我不能講我等待法辦結果以後我們才知道,同步我們在行政調查,只要跟他這個人有關的,跟他的工作有關的,\n\n05:02.549 --> 05:25.127\n我們相關牽涉這個人員,我們展開行政方面應該要警告…我想,嚴辦絕不寬待,這個都是事後,但是事前的預防機制、防堵機制、相關法令的一個完善,這個才是預防剩餘治療的一個主要的重點。那我想就教邱部長,那國防部現職的軍官,哪一些人到底可以前往中國大陸,哪一些人不能前往?\n\n05:25.367 --> 05:26.048\n二、審查本院國民黨黨團擬具\n\n05:49.349 --> 06:07.385\n透過這兩個案子在內部的內控管理因為我想不管任何的這個法辦或是絕不寬大的態度這都是事後的一個處理的方式但是如何有效的機制管理這個才是事情根本的重點那是不是請部長說明一下這要怎麼強化後續的管理機制跟管理漏洞\n\n06:07.945 --> 06:28.098\n基本上我跟委員報告,就是說原則上現役軍人沒有哪一個可以同意到大陸地區的,現在都沒有。那退役以後,看他當初在軍中服役,在服勤當中的職務,受命等級等等,各有規範。那目前我們平常都在做的。\n\n06:28.858 --> 06:49.053\n陳副國防委員有提到,保防這個工作我們真的在很加強,所以最近我並不幫我推責任,有幾件事情真的是保防人員發覺了以後,深入來調查的,但我們不以此為滿意啦,有這幾件大案子一連串出來,這國防部的確要痛斷是痛的。\n\n06:49.053 --> 06:54.317\n總體盤點提出一個建議請邱部長、國防部儘速針對這兩個案子盤點相關法制上的漏洞尤其是要針對從事國防事務限職及退離職人員申請進入中國大陸地區的作業規定要做嚴加的管控\n\n07:10.348 --> 07:26.886\n對於前往大陸的高階人員及接觸機密跟專利的人士來去做相關的一個嚴格管制,尤其這次葛元的事情必須從重處罰,下部為例完全杜絕。那針對這個相關的法令的一個作業規定,應該要去做總體的一個盤點。\n\n07:28.627 --> 07:52.320\n第二、針對今天的重點,兵役延長的配套機制。我想本席之前也在這邊提出兵役延長的整個配套跟整備狀況的質詢。包含針對徵集訓練作業、分派作業跟服役期間的提繳退休金的作業,其實陸陸續續國防部都有做,我們也知道慢慢的再去完善。但是到底一無一要不要上戰場,\n\n07:53.120 --> 07:54.161\n二、審查本院國民黨團擬具\n\n08:17.139 --> 08:38.569\n我想就教邱部長除了主戰部隊之外備戰部隊包含義務役、兵力的訓練要不要做好上戰場的準備那相關的訓練內容有沒有去做一個調整那另外一個部分因為近年來受到少子女化的影響那國軍招募人才嚴重不足那這個其實是可見的未來未來在相關能力的補充有沒有具體的一個作為\n\n08:39.489 --> 09:04.426\n我跟委員報告,我這邊我要再次強調一次,因為以前我也在很多公開場合,我也表達過,臺灣防疫作戰,我們不期望它會成真。但我們平常要做準備工作就是防止、避免這種事發生。但如果一旦發生了,我想臺灣就那麼大的地方,不大。一旦發生了臺灣防疫作戰,槍炮一響,沒有前方後方。\n\n09:05.706 --> 09:19.696\n所以我要求我們所有同仁要有一個觀念處處是戰場實時做訓練就為了這個不期望發生的事情一旦發生了我們好歹也要做一些很積極的準備\n\n09:21.477 --> 09:43.657\n第二、有些人的表達方法我不了解,我也沒有任何評論。比如說我們對戰場的界定,可能一般講說我只要在牆裏面,外面如果打亂,那個外面是戰場,我裏面不是。但我已經講了,颱風發生之後,槍炮一響,沒有前方後方之分。\n\n09:44.598 --> 10:11.033\n我想全民國防除了我們自主的防衛意識之外其實各國也都在看那如何精實訓練的內容跟保障藝男的這個權益的一個前提之下能夠落實前線國防跟民防甚至中央地方政府的一個合作我想這個未來還有很長的路要走我希望部長能夠繼續堅持住應該要把這個相關的細節包含全民國防手冊的完善還有這個中央地方政府的相關溝通\n\n10:13.494 --> 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