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00:01:27,859\n那部長我上次有跟你質詢就是國安六村的圈改爭議本席多次召開協調會、公聽會那今年11月21日公聽會是副局長出席那結論就是有答應要發函給國安局還有國安會請他們提供國安六村的卷戶資料\n\n4\n00:01:29,919 --> 00:01:56,912\n但是呢,遲遲沒有發出。那因為遲遲沒有發出呢,所以我就不死心。我就12月4號就在召開一個會議。那局長本來答應我要來。但是當天呢,臨時因故又缺席。那本席當然不是很開心吧。部長。\n\n5\n00:01:58,291 --> 00:02:25,718\n你看我現在講話越來越凝重那會中呢卷幅處的處長他也答應三天內要發函給國安局跟國安會但是到今天已經七天了還是沒有發函部長我是要拜託你你們國防部要多\n\n6\n00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:27,780\n二、審查本院委員\n\n7\n00:02:50,845 --> 00:03:07,014\n是在藐視國會嗎?是你在藐視國會還是偵探局長在藐視國會?為什麼看這麼多次會議也找了這麼多相關的人來說明?因為今天質詢的時間有限我也不再跟你講細節了。那結論就是請偵探局把國安六村他們眷改戶的資料\n\n8\n00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:23,324\n發函請政政局發函請國安局跟國安會提供資料結果到現在都不用預發公文這到底是在為什麼不把我們的眷改戶我們這些國軍的眷處當人來看呢為什麼要一直這麼刁難呢我跟委員報啊委員可能九點當啦\n\n9\n00:03:45,254 --> 00:04:04,386\n我們不推脫,但我基本上我跟委員保證,我們沒有要刁難誰,也沒有不把哪些人當人看,不可能的。我們也絕對不會假裝藐視委員。當中我們也一再討論,國安六村這個議題討論好多年了,我們也說明好多次了。\n\n10\n00:04:04,946 --> 00:04:27,771\n所以不願期凡的,那可能假如這回做的有點疏忽的話,那我負責吧,我跟委員這個線,但我會請這個政戰局,他們業管,該發函發函,該再去說明,再去說明。都答應了啊,都答應了啊,那局長當天因故不來,我也接受。但是我真的是沒辦法去接受說,把這些人真的\n\n11\n00:04:30,091 --> 00:04:32,953\n二、審查本院委員二、審查本院委員二、審查本院委員\n\n12\n00:04:57,670 --> 00:05:21,088\n當然我們有這個陳情仁就是我們國軍弟兄那他就是一位黃家雄先生他是河群新村本來是眷戶那在眷改的程序進行的時候有發存證信案給國防部表示這個程序是有瑕疵的\n\n13\n00:05:22,049 --> 00:05:45,366\n不過他不是不同意卷改但是最後不知道是什麼原因被變成他就是不同意卷改不配合卷改然後被拆屋並所討不當得利那本席是覺得這是不合理的不合理不合情理\n\n14\n00:05:46,247 --> 00:06:14,410\n所以是不是部長可以協助,來追認這位黃家雄兄弟,同意他是眷改的眷護權益。我是可以請委員同意,花一、兩分鐘總裁局說明一下好不好,要造成誤會,假如我們這樣不理不睬啊,國防部沒有那麼大的權威啦,不會啊,一定當時有原因嘛,請我,請那個...我是要請部長了解一下細節,如果\n\n15\n00:06:14,870 --> 00:06:21,735\n因為本席已經花了很多時間了解那現在時間也到了我是請部長能夠跟局長能夠再去確認能夠讓他恢復他是有眷改戶的權益因為這個眷戶呢他前後兩次自己用了純正信函來確認他註銷他的原認證書所以這個都是在法院審理都有判決的那在\n\n16\n00:06:40,828 --> 00:06:42,310\n議長,您現在講的在協調會都講了很多次,但是本期開會的時候,因為你一直沒有來開會,所以我要跟局長、跟部長也說,\n\n17\n00:06:57,890 --> 00:07:15,567\n這位國軍弟兄他也是後來發了很多次函給我們國防部說他是同意的他是同意的我再講三遍同意同意同意所以部長麻煩你再確認一下是不是可以再追回他是眷戶的眷改戶\n\n18\n00:07:17,068 --> 00:07:30,017\n簡單就是這樣。他原先是有意見,對我們卷改是有意見,但是後來他也發了非常多次的函,說明他是願意卷改的,他不是不同意。這樣了解嗎?\n\n19\n00:07:31,462 --> 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04:27.771\n所以不願期凡的,那可能假如這回做的有點疏忽的話,那我負責吧,我跟委員這個線,但我會請這個政戰局,他們業管,該發函發函,該再去說明,再去說明。都答應了啊,都答應了啊,那局長當天因故不來,我也接受。但是我真的是沒辦法去接受說,把這些人真的\n\n04:30.091 --> 04:32.953\n二、審查本院委員二、審查本院委員二、審查本院委員\n\n04:57.670 --> 05:21.088\n當然我們有這個陳情仁就是我們國軍弟兄那他就是一位黃家雄先生他是河群新村本來是眷戶那在眷改的程序進行的時候有發存證信案給國防部表示這個程序是有瑕疵的\n\n05:22.049 --> 05:45.366\n不過他不是不同意卷改但是最後不知道是什麼原因被變成他就是不同意卷改不配合卷改然後被拆屋並所討不當得利那本席是覺得這是不合理的不合理不合情理\n\n05:46.247 --> 06:14.410\n所以是不是部長可以協助,來追認這位黃家雄兄弟,同意他是眷改的眷護權益。我是可以請委員同意,花一、兩分鐘總裁局說明一下好不好,要造成誤會,假如我們這樣不理不睬啊,國防部沒有那麼大的權威啦,不會啊,一定當時有原因嘛,請我,請那個...我是要請部長了解一下細節,如果\n\n06:14.870 --> 06:21.735\n因為本席已經花了很多時間了解那現在時間也到了我是請部長能夠跟局長能夠再去確認能夠讓他恢復他是有眷改戶的權益因為這個眷戶呢他前後兩次自己用了純正信函來確認他註銷他的原認證書所以這個都是在法院審理都有判決的那在\n\n06:40.828 --> 06:42.310\n議長,您現在講的在協調會都講了很多次,但是本期開會的時候,因為你一直沒有來開會,所以我要跟局長、跟部長也說,\n\n06:57.890 --> 07:15.567\n這位國軍弟兄他也是後來發了很多次函給我們國防部說他是同意的他是同意的我再講三遍同意同意同意所以部長麻煩你再確認一下是不是可以再追回他是眷戶的眷改戶\n\n07:17.068 --> 07:30.017\n簡單就是這樣。他原先是有意見,對我們卷改是有意見,但是後來他也發了非常多次的函,說明他是願意卷改的,他不是不同意。這樣了解嗎?\n\n07:31.462 --> 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