{"id":148978,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/148978","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a0ee4ec253a72029ecf38a9d415ef17594fc233f19f174e7c986728e607a032225a32fc0a1f089135ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"游毓蘭","委員發言時間":"12:34:52 - 12:47:21","影片長度":"00:12:29","會議時間":"2023-12-11T10:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第10屆第8會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員、內政部部長、警政署署長、消防署署長、海巡署署長、原住民族委員會主任委員、國防部、法務部就「第16任總統副總統及第11屆立法委員選舉選務工作辦理情形、執勤軍警消海巡人員投票權益、文化健康站等工作人員於選舉期間之行政中立」進行專題報告，並備質詢；另邀請司法院列席備詢。二、原住民身分法：(一)審查行政院函請審議「原住民身分法修正草案」案。(二)繼續審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等16人擬具「原住民身分法第五條、第七條及第九條條文修正草案」案。(三)繼續審查委員劉櫂豪等18人擬具「原住民身分法第九條條文修正草案」案。(四)繼續審查委員郭國文等16人擬具「原住民身分法第二條條文修正草案」案。(五)繼續審查委員張宏陸等20人擬具「原住民身分法第二條條文修正草案」案。(六)繼續審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等18人擬具「原住民身分法第四條及第八條之一條文修正草案」案。(七)審查委員蔡適應等25人擬具「原住民身分法第四條、第七條及第八條條文修正草案」案。(八)審查委員陳明文等16人擬具「原住民身分法第九條條文修正草案」案。三、原住民族工作權保障法：(一)審查行政院函請審議「原住民族工作權保障法部分條文修正草案」案。(二)審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等17人擬具「原住民族工作權保障法部分條文修正草案」案。(三)審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等18人擬具「原住民族工作權保障法修正草案」案。(四)審查委員陳瑩等16人擬具「原住民族工作權保障法第十一條條文修正草案」案。(五)審查委員陳瑩等17人擬具「原住民族工作權保障法第四條條文修正草案」案。(六)審查委員廖國棟等25人擬具「原住民族工作權保障法部分條文修正草案」案。(七)審查委員孔文吉等22人擬具「原住民族工作權保障法部分條文修正草案」案。四、姓名條例：(一)繼續審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等16人擬具「姓名條例部分條文修正草案」案。(二)繼續審查委員伍麗華SaidhaiTahovecahe等20人擬具「姓名條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案。(三)繼續審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具「姓名條例第九條條文修正草案」案。(四)繼續審查委員廖國棟等16人擬具「姓名條例部分條文修正草案」案。【12月11日、14日兩天一次會】）","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"第10屆第8會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議","term":10,"type":"委員會","sessionPeriod":8,"sessionTimes":13,"committees":[15],"id":"委員會-10-8-15-13"},"date":"2023-12-11","duration":749,"end_time":"2023-12-11T12:47:21+08:00","start_time":"2023-12-11T12:34:52+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":965,"blocks":[["游委員毓蘭：（12時34分）謝謝主席。我請林部長、黃明昭署長以及黃謀信次長。"],["主席：請部長、署長、次長。"],["林部長右昌：召委好。"],["游委員毓蘭：三位好。我看到一則新聞，我看得滿難過的，因為去年8月發生的臺南殺警案，有這一個叫做師大數學哥的，他是在曹瑞傑跟凃明誠被殺了之後，他酸臺灣九成警察都是垃圾、廢物，臺南市警察局第二分局調查之後就函送新北地檢署偵辦，但是新北地檢署做出不起訴的處分，家屬聲請再議也被駁回了，結果駁回之後，他就更囂張了，一副好像是司法已經給他背書了，就是他說兩個警察死了都是言論自由。部長跟署長，你們作為警察的大家長，你們對這樣子的言論自由能夠接受嗎？我看到臺南市黃偉哲市長出來撻伐了，但是我想聽你們的聲音。"],["林部長右昌：我想這樣的一個言論當然是不當的。"],["游委員毓蘭：是不當的是吧？署長有沒有更積極的作法？"],["黃署長明昭：我想他這個言論，我們真的深感不妥，而且非常的……"],["游委員毓蘭：這不是不妥，我是憤怒。"],["黃署長明昭：非常的不高興，憑良心講。因為我們員警……"],["游委員毓蘭：署長，因為我做了一些研究，我們辦公室做了研究，我本來今天想要去按鈴申告，我覺得他還有新事證，可是因為兩位當事人凃明誠跟曹瑞傑都已經過世了，所以只能夠由家屬提出。我們署裡面有一個訴訟的基金，署長，我希望我們要用這個基金來支持兩位犧牲的同仁，能夠幫他們贏回這個公道，部長跟署長可不可以做得到？可不可以答應做得到？"],["黃署長明昭：是，家屬已經委由律師提起自訴，自訴部分的律師費用，我們警政署會全力來支持。"],["游委員毓蘭：是，但是我也很希望部長跟署長今天就發布一個強硬的聲明，不要看到只有黃偉哲市長在那邊替警察講話。","兩位請回座，我要問一下黃次長。"],["黃次長謀信：委員好。"],["游委員毓蘭：次長，為什麼新北地檢署會這樣，馬上就給他做一個不起訴？因為我今天看到這個新聞，去年臺北市大同分局的同仁因為去處理家暴的時候，當事人放狗出來咬警察，但是這個檢察官至少讓我覺得還有一點點智慧，至少是要讓當事人認罪、和解，才能夠獲得緩起訴，我們新北地檢署就這樣很輕率的，完全沒有顧慮到警察當時是冒著生命危險，而且這個問題一開始就是法務部矯正署在外役監條例上面有一些疏失，我們居然都沒有一種夥伴互挺這樣的作為，至少要做到讓他們認罪嘛！次長，你覺得呢？"],["黃次長謀信：跟委員報告，委員剛剛提到新北地檢署那個個案，雖然檢察官做了不起訴處分，臺灣高檢署也駁回了再議的程序，但是整個救濟程序其實還沒走完，現在聲請准許提起自訴的程序，所以個案的狀況會怎麼樣，整個訴訟程序還在進行當中。"],["游委員毓蘭：是，次長，因為您跟警察合作也很久了，我很希望您不要讓其他的檢察官都變成法匠，完全沒有辦法同理我們整個團隊在這邊所做的犧牲奉獻，可不可以回去也加強一下檢察官們的在職訓練好嗎？"],["黃次長謀信：跟委員報告，事實上，檢察官的在職訓練，我們不斷的在進行。"],["游委員毓蘭：好，請回。接下來我要請中選會的李主委。"],["主席：李主委。"],["李主任委員進勇：召委好。"],["游委員毓蘭：主委，您這段時間也辛苦了。"],["李主任委員進勇：謝謝委員。"],["游委員毓蘭：不過本會在今年上半年通過的選罷法，包括我們執政黨的莊瑞雄委員都認為這裡面是有一些好像侵害人權之虞，他自己都這麼認為，我們公開都談過的，未來都要聲請釋憲的。公務人員的選罷法，剛剛因為陳以信委員已經跟你討教過了，生效的時間是今年的6月，對不對？但是臺南的這個候選人王家貞，他涉及偽造文書案，法院是在什麼時候宣判緩刑，您知道嗎？"],["李主任委員進勇：確實的時間，我並不清楚。"],["游委員毓蘭：沒關係，是今年3月啦。剛剛陳以信委員也提過了，其實王家貞沒有辦法預見這個選擇，他的選擇不管是選擇易科罰金，易科罰金馬上就執行完畢了，跟他選擇緩刑會有這樣的天差地別，甚至於影響到他在憲法保障的參政權，所以我們當然也想要瞭解，在這個案子上面，中選會會有怎麼樣的態度呢？你們在處理上，對於他的身分具不具備候選人資格，能不能預估一下？"],["李主任委員進勇：謝謝委員，我想我們審查候選人的消極資格，當然是影響非常重大的，到底這個候選人有沒有參與選舉的資格，這個不是我們能夠有什麼裁量，而是完全必須要嚴格遵守選罷法的規定，選罷法關於消極資格最主要規定的條文就在第二十六條，根據第二十六條第九款的規定，雖然所犯的罪不是一款到六款，是一款到六款以外的罪，但是已經經過法院判決有期徒刑以上的刑確定了，被宣告緩刑或者還沒有執行、執行未畢、行刑權消滅時效等等的情況之下，他就不具備參選的資格。"],["游委員毓蘭：所以你認為他是不具備參選資格？"],["李主任委員進勇：我只是在重複法律的規定是這樣。"],["游委員毓蘭：是法律規定，但是我們如果看到這個法很明顯有違憲之虞，難道我們行政機關不作為嗎？按照釋字第525號，其實我們行政機關是有義務來做一些解釋或是做一個裁量，不是嗎？"],["李主任委員進勇：我們選務機關是依法行政，辦理選務完全是要有法律的根據，尤其選舉是競爭非常激烈的政治活動，所以我們必須要嚴格的遵守法律規定，不能有任何的閃失。"],["游委員毓蘭：主委，因為您當過法官，在這方面，您是專業的法律人，就我一個半桶水的，我都會認為法律上面應該有一個信賴保護原則的。"],["李主任委員進勇：是，委員客氣了。"],["游委員毓蘭：在這部分，當然我剛剛聽到您的確也講12月15日會由委員會來做決定嘛。"],["李主任委員進勇：要審定。"],["游委員毓蘭：要審定嘛，對不對？"],["李主任委員進勇：是。"],["游委員毓蘭：但是你開口閉口都是要以現行法律的規定，依法來處理。"],["李主任委員進勇：那當然。"],["游委員毓蘭：但是，主委，我就直接跟您來做一個討論，我們修過法，行政機關未必馬上就會執行，6月30日我們修正通過的還有道路交通管理處罰條例，規定6月30日就要上路的，其中包括上下課或違規臨停以及騎樓停車都規定要記點，併計1點，但是因為計程車、貨運駕駛的陳情，交通部在11月9日宣布暫緩實施交通違規記點。好，也就是當你們如果看到非常明顯的，這是可能侵害我們國人的參政權，有違憲之虞，而且他現在也要聲請，但是要聲請釋憲可能需要法官，我們看到王家貞已經在聲請他的司法救濟了，我覺得中選會在有這麼明確的違憲之虞的時候，你們在15日的委員會應該要考慮大法官解釋的意旨，要保障人權。最簡單且不違憲、違法的做法就是你們透過職權解釋法律，認定基於不溯及既往以及信賴保護原則，凡事所有在新法生效日前就已經宣告緩刑仍在進行中者，應該還是要承認他具有參選的資格。"],["李主任委員進勇：各方的意見，我們在委員會裡面都會充分地討論。"],["游委員毓蘭：都會充分討論？"],["李主任委員進勇：都會充分討論，最終我們就是嚴格遵照法律的規定。"],["游委員毓蘭：是，但是本席剛剛也已經跟您提出來了，交通部對於我們現行、剛剛修過的法律，他們覺得中間有窒礙難行……"],["李主任委員進勇：我不是很清楚，好像是……"],["游委員毓蘭：所以我就知道，因為您會說……"],["李主任委員進勇：一定要經過法律的授權，有訂定實施的日期。"],["游委員毓蘭：它已經訂定是6月30日開始。"],["李主任委員進勇：我們並沒有，我們的選罷法並沒有這個規定。"],["游委員毓蘭：它6月30日就已經在施行中了，它都還可以暫緩，我們中選會仍然執意用這樣子……"],["李主任委員進勇：我不是執意，我守法。"],["游委員毓蘭：你守法，好，但是我們法律上面，如果違反憲法的話，我覺得憲法應該要高於法律之上，所以在這部分，本席還是覺得非常可惜，因為我不希望人家還是惡意地去解讀中選會是成為政治的工具，因為我知道大家都很努力。"],["李主任委員進勇：我想這個言重了，是嚴重的誤會。"],["游委員毓蘭：還是請你們能夠恪守法律授予你們行政裁量也好，或者是在解釋上面的權利。切記我們在釋憲的第525號的……"],["李主任委員進勇：我們嚴格遵守法律的規定。"],["游委員毓蘭：OK，謝謝。"],["主席（游委員毓蘭）：接下來請李德維委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":156,"meet_id":"委員會-10-8-15-13","speakers":["游毓蘭","賴品妤","陳玉珍","張宏陸","王美惠","陳以信","黃世杰","鄭天財Sra 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00:01:31,406\n好像是司法已經已經給他背書了然後就說這他說兩個警察死了都是言論自由部長跟署長你們作為警察的大家長你們對這樣子的言論自由你能夠接受嗎我看到了台南市黃偉哲市長出來踏法了但是我想聽你的聲音我想這樣子當然的這樣子的一個言論當然是不當的\n\n5\n00:01:32,014 --> 00:01:43,847\n是不當的署長有沒有更積極的做法我想他這個言論我們真的深感不妥而且非常的不高興署長因為我做過\n\n6\n00:01:51,455 --> 00:02:14,847\n我做了一些研究我們辦公室我本來今天想要去按鈴申告我覺得他還有心事證可是因為兩位當事人土民城跟曹俊傑都已經都已經過世了曹睿傑都過世了所以只能夠由家屬我們署裡面有一個這個訴訟的這個基金我希望署長\n\n7\n00:02:16,161 --> 00:02:29,851\n我們要用我們的這個基金來支持支持兩位犧牲的同仁能夠幫他們贏回這個公道部長跟署長可不可以做得到可不可以答應做得到是\n\n8\n00:02:32,866 --> 00:02:53,065\n我這個家屬就已經提起我由律師提起注釋那制式的部分那個費用律師的費用我們警政署會全力來支持是但是我也很希望很希望部長跟署長今天就發布一個強硬的這個聲明不要看到只有這個黃\n\n9\n00:02:54,747 --> 00:03:01,917\n黃偉哲黃市長在那邊替警察講話不過兩位可以請回座我要問一下我要問一下我們這個黃市長市長\n\n10\n00:03:09,196 --> 00:03:26,075\n為什麼新北地檢署會這樣馬上就給他做一個不起訴因為我今天看到這個新聞他說去年台北市大同分局的同仁因為去處理家暴的時候\n\n11\n00:03:27,817 --> 00:03:45,205\n被當事人放狗出來咬警察但是我覺得這個檢察官至少讓我覺得還有一點還有一點點智慧至少是要讓當事人要認罪和解才能夠獲得還起訴\n\n12\n00:03:47,116 --> 00:04:15,407\n我們新北地檢署就這樣子很輕率的就完全沒有顧慮到警察當時是冒著生命危險而且這個問題一開始就是我們法務部矯正署在外遺間條例上面的有一些疏失我們居然都沒有一種夥伴的護庭的這樣子至少要做到讓他們認罪嘛市長你覺得嗎\n\n13\n00:04:17,128 --> 00:04:33,723\n跟我們報告,我們剛剛提那一個新北地檢署那個個案,他整個的,雖然檢察官做了不起訴處分,臺灣高檢署也駁回了這個在意的程序,但整個救濟程序其實還沒走完,那現在申請准許提起自訴的程序,所以那個案的狀況會怎麼樣,還要整個訴訟程序進行,還在進行當中?\n\n14\n00:04:36,865 --> 00:05:01,318\n市長因為您跟警察合作也很久了我很希望你不要讓我們其他的這個檢察官都變成法將完全沒有辦法同理我們整個團隊在這邊所做的犧牲奉獻可不可以回去也加強一下我們檢察官們的這個在職訓練一下好嗎事實上檢察官的在職訓練我們不斷的在進行是好請回來接下來我要請中選會的李竺瑞\n\n15\n00:05:12,475 --> 00:05:31,682\n主委您這段時間也辛苦了不過本會在今年上半年通過的選罷法包括我們執政黨的莊瑞雄委員他都認為這裡面是有一些有一些這個好像侵害人權之虞\n\n16\n00:05:32,602 --> 00:05:59,796\n他自己都這麼認為我們公開都談過的就是未來都要申請釋憲的我們公務人員的選辦法剛剛因為陳以信委員已經跟你討教過了生效的時間是是今年的6月6月嘛對不對但是我們這個王家珍就台南的這個候選人王家珍他涉及的違狀文書案法院是在什麼時候宣判緩刑您知道嗎\n\n17\n00:06:02,464 --> 00:06:12,026\n確實的時間我並不清楚明天請示今年3月啦今年3月所以王家珍其實剛剛那個陳以信也提過了他沒有辦法預見他這個選擇他的選擇不管是選擇一顆髮金一顆髮金馬上就執行完畢了跟他選擇緩刑會有這樣天差地別甚至影響到他在憲法保障的一個參政權\n\n18\n00:06:30,270 --> 00:06:47,746\n所以我們當然也想要了解一下我們州選會他如果在這個案子上面你們會有怎麼樣的態度呢你們在處理上對於他的身份具不具備候選人資格的\n\n19\n00:06:48,530 --> 00:07:07,296\n能不能預知一下謝謝委員我想我們審查候選人的消極資格那當然是影響非常重大的到底這個候選人有沒有參與選舉的資格這個不是說我們能夠有什麼裁量而是完全必須要嚴格的遵守選罷法的規定\n\n20\n00:07:09,016 --> 00:07:31,529\n那選報法關於消極資格最主要規定的條文就在26條根據26條第9款的規定就是你雖然所犯的罪不是一款到六款一款到六款以外的罪但是已經經過法院的判決有期徒刑以上的刑確定了那被宣告緩刑\n\n21\n00:07:32,609 --> 00:07:55,738\n或者還沒有執行執行未必行刑權消滅時效等等的情況之下他就不具備參選的資格所以你認為他是不具備參選資格我只是在重複法律的規定是這個但是我們如果看到這個法很明顯的有違憲之餘的話難道我們行政機關按照我們釋字的第一\n\n22\n00:08:00,991 --> 00:08:23,642\n525號其實我們行政機關是有義務來做一些解釋或者一個裁量不是嗎我們選務機關是依法行政辦理選務完全是要有法律的根據尤其選舉是競爭非常激烈的一個政治的活動所以我們必須要嚴格的遵守法律的規定不能有任何的閃失\n\n23\n00:08:24,810 --> 00:08:40,565\n主委因為您當過法官在這方面你是專業的法律人就我一個半桶水的我都會認為說法律上面應該要有一個信賴保護原則的那在這部分當然我剛剛聽到您的確也講了說你們12月15號會有委員會來做決定要審定對不對\n\n24\n00:08:48,653 --> 00:08:54,667\n但是你開口閉口都是要以現行的法律的規定依法來當然是但是\n\n25\n00:08:57,799 --> 00:09:19,238\n主委就直接跟您來做一個行政機關未必會馬上我們修過法就會執行的6月30號我們修正通過了還有道路交通管理處罰條例規定6月30號就要上路的其中\n\n26\n00:09:20,359 --> 00:09:41,207\n包括上下客、貨、違規、臨停以及騎樓停車都規定要祭典但是因為計程車貨運駕駛的陳情交通部在11月9日宣布暫緩實施交通違規祭典\n\n27\n00:09:43,598 --> 00:10:09,009\n也就是說當你們如果看到的看到說這個非常明顯的這是可能侵害我們國人的一個參政權有違憲之餘而且可能他現在也要申請但是要申請釋憲可能需要法官我們看到王家珍他已經在申請他的司法救濟了我覺得我覺得\n\n28\n00:10:12,051 --> 00:10:15,214\n中選會在有這麼明確的這個違憲之語的時候你們在15日的這個委員會應該要考慮大法官解釋的意旨\n\n29\n00:10:27,225 --> 00:10:53,277\n要保障人權最簡單且不違憲違法的做法就是你們透過職權解釋法律認定基於不溯及既往以及信賴保護原則凡是所有在新法生效日前就已經宣告緩刑仍在進行中者應該還是要承認他具有參選的資格\n\n30\n00:10:55,851 --> 00:11:23,879\n各方的意見我們在委員會裡面都會充分的討論都會充分討論都會充分討論但是最終最終我們就是嚴格遵照法律的規定是但是本席剛剛也已經跟您提出來了交通部對於我們現行剛剛修過的法律他們覺得中間有不安難行馬上所以我就知道因為您會說聽過法律的授權有定定實施的日期\n\n31\n00:11:24,798 --> 00:11:38,897\n他已經定定是6月31日開始我們並沒有我們的選罷法並沒有這個規定他6月31日已經在施行中他都還可以暫緩了那我們這個中選會仍然就是執意的就用這樣子\n\n32\n00:11:39,738 --> 00:11:44,261\n立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院\n\n33\n00:12:01,591 --> 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對不對但是我們這個王家珍就台南的這個候選人王家珍他涉及的違狀文書案法院是在什麼時候宣判緩刑您知道嗎\n362464\t372026\t確實的時間我並不清楚明天請示今年3月啦今年3月所以王家珍其實剛剛那個陳以信也提過了他沒有辦法預見他這個選擇他的選擇不管是選擇一顆髮金一顆髮金馬上就執行完畢了跟他選擇緩刑會有這樣天差地別甚至影響到他在憲法保障的一個參政權\n390270\t407746\t所以我們當然也想要了解一下我們州選會他如果在這個案子上面你們會有怎麼樣的態度呢你們在處理上對於他的身份具不具備候選人資格的\n408530\t427296\t能不能預知一下謝謝委員我想我們審查候選人的消極資格那當然是影響非常重大的到底這個候選人有沒有參與選舉的資格這個不是說我們能夠有什麼裁量而是完全必須要嚴格的遵守選罷法的規定\n429016\t451529\t那選報法關於消極資格最主要規定的條文就在26條根據26條第9款的規定就是你雖然所犯的罪不是一款到六款一款到六款以外的罪但是已經經過法院的判決有期徒刑以上的刑確定了那被宣告緩刑\n452609\t475738\t或者還沒有執行執行未必行刑權消滅時效等等的情況之下他就不具備參選的資格所以你認為他是不具備參選資格我只是在重複法律的規定是這個但是我們如果看到這個法很明顯的有違憲之餘的話難道我們行政機關按照我們釋字的第一\n480991\t503642\t525號其實我們行政機關是有義務來做一些解釋或者一個裁量不是嗎我們選務機關是依法行政辦理選務完全是要有法律的根據尤其選舉是競爭非常激烈的一個政治的活動所以我們必須要嚴格的遵守法律的規定不能有任何的閃失\n504810\t520565\t主委因為您當過法官在這方面你是專業的法律人就我一個半桶水的我都會認為說法律上面應該要有一個信賴保護原則的那在這部分當然我剛剛聽到您的確也講了說你們12月15號會有委員會來做決定要審定對不對\n528653\t534667\t但是你開口閉口都是要以現行的法律的規定依法來當然是但是\n537799\t559238\t主委就直接跟您來做一個行政機關未必會馬上我們修過法就會執行的6月30號我們修正通過了還有道路交通管理處罰條例規定6月30號就要上路的其中\n560359\t581207\t包括上下客、貨、違規、臨停以及騎樓停車都規定要祭典但是因為計程車貨運駕駛的陳情交通部在11月9日宣布暫緩實施交通違規祭典\n583598\t609009\t也就是說當你們如果看到的看到說這個非常明顯的這是可能侵害我們國人的一個參政權有違憲之餘而且可能他現在也要申請但是要申請釋憲可能需要法官我們看到王家珍他已經在申請他的司法救濟了我覺得我覺得\n612051\t615214\t中選會在有這麼明確的這個違憲之語的時候你們在15日的這個委員會應該要考慮大法官解釋的意旨\n627225\t653277\t要保障人權最簡單且不違憲違法的做法就是你們透過職權解釋法律認定基於不溯及既往以及信賴保護原則凡是所有在新法生效日前就已經宣告緩刑仍在進行中者應該還是要承認他具有參選的資格\n655851\t683879\t各方的意見我們在委員會裡面都會充分的討論都會充分討論都會充分討論但是最終最終我們就是嚴格遵照法律的規定是 但是本席剛剛也已經跟您提出來了交通部對於我們現行剛剛修過的法律他們覺得中間有不安難行馬上所以我就知道因為您會說聽過法律的授權有定定實施的日期\n684798\t698897\t他已經定定是6月31日開始我們並沒有我們的選罷法並沒有這個規定他6月31日已經在施行中他都還可以暫緩了那我們這個中選會仍然就是執意的就用這樣子\n699738\t704261\t立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院\n721591\t744225\t惡意的去解讀說中選會是成為政治的工具因為我知道大家都很努力我想這個嚴重了嚴重的誤會還是請你們能夠恪守恪守這個法律授予你們這個行政裁量也好或者是在解釋上面的權利切記我們在那個事件的525謝謝委員好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席,我請林部長、黃明洲署長以及黃某信次長部長、署長、次長三位好三位好\n我看到一個擇新我看了蠻難過的因為去年8月發生的台南殺警案有這個叫做師大數學哥的他是在我們曹蕙潔跟屠民城被殺了之後他在酸說台灣九城警察都是垃圾廢物\n然後臺南市警察局這個第二分局就調查之後就函送新北地檢署偵辦但是新北地檢署做出不起訴的處分然後家屬申請再議也被駁回了結果駁回之後他就更囂張了就一副就是\n好像是司法已經已經給他背書了然後就說這他說兩個警察死了都是言論自由部長跟署長你們作為警察的大家長你們對這樣子的言論自由你能夠接受嗎我看到了台南市黃偉哲市長出來踏法了但是我想聽你的聲音我想這樣子當然的這樣子的一個言論當然是不當的\n是不當的 署長有沒有更積極的做法我想他這個言論我們真的深感不妥而且非常的不高興署長因為我做過\n我做了一些研究我們辦公室我本來今天想要去按鈴申告我覺得他還有心事證可是因為兩位當事人土民城跟曹俊傑都已經都已經過世了曹睿傑都過世了所以只能夠由家屬我們署裡面有一個這個訴訟的這個基金我希望署長\n我們要用我們的這個基金來支持支持兩位犧牲的同仁能夠幫他們贏回這個公道部長跟署長可不可以做得到可不可以答應做得到是\n我這個家屬就已經提起我由律師提起注釋那制式的部分那個費用律師的費用我們警政署會全力來支持是但是我也很希望很希望部長跟署長今天就發布一個強硬的這個聲明不要看到只有這個黃\n黃偉哲黃市長在那邊替警察講話不過兩位可以請回座我要問一下我要問一下我們這個黃市長市長\n為什麼新北地檢署會這樣馬上就給他做一個不起訴因為我今天看到這個新聞他說去年台北市大同分局的同仁因為去處理家暴的時候\n被當事人放狗出來咬警察但是我覺得這個檢察官至少讓我覺得還有一點還有一點點智慧至少是要讓當事人要認罪和解才能夠獲得還起訴\n我們新北地檢署就這樣子很輕率的就完全沒有顧慮到警察當時是冒著生命危險而且這個問題一開始就是我們法務部矯正署在外遺間條例上面的有一些疏失我們居然都沒有一種夥伴的護庭的這樣子至少要做到讓他們認罪嘛市長你覺得嗎\n跟我們報告,我們剛剛提那一個新北地檢署那個個案,他整個的,雖然檢察官做了不起訴處分,臺灣高檢署也駁回了這個在意的程序,但整個救濟程序其實還沒走完,那現在申請准許提起自訴的程序,所以那個案的狀況會怎麼樣,還要整個訴訟程序進行,還在進行當中?\n市長因為您跟警察合作也很久了我很希望你不要讓我們其他的這個檢察官都變成法將完全沒有辦法同理我們整個團隊在這邊所做的犧牲奉獻可不可以回去也加強一下我們檢察官們的這個在職訓練一下好嗎事實上檢察官的在職訓練我們不斷的在進行是好請回來接下來我要請中選會的李竺瑞\n主委您這段時間也辛苦了不過本會在今年上半年通過的選罷法包括我們執政黨的莊瑞雄委員他都認為這裡面是有一些有一些這個好像侵害人權之虞\n他自己都這麼認為我們公開都談過的就是未來都要申請釋憲的我們公務人員的選辦法剛剛因為陳以信委員已經跟你討教過了生效的時間是是今年的6月6月嘛 對不對但是我們這個王家珍就台南的這個候選人王家珍他涉及的違狀文書案法院是在什麼時候宣判緩刑您知道嗎\n確實的時間我並不清楚明天請示今年3月啦今年3月所以王家珍其實剛剛那個陳以信也提過了他沒有辦法預見他這個選擇他的選擇不管是選擇一顆髮金一顆髮金馬上就執行完畢了跟他選擇緩刑會有這樣天差地別甚至影響到他在憲法保障的一個參政權\n所以我們當然也想要了解一下我們州選會他如果在這個案子上面你們會有怎麼樣的態度呢你們在處理上對於他的身份具不具備候選人資格的\n能不能預知一下謝謝委員我想我們審查候選人的消極資格那當然是影響非常重大的到底這個候選人有沒有參與選舉的資格這個不是說我們能夠有什麼裁量而是完全必須要嚴格的遵守選罷法的規定\n那選報法關於消極資格最主要規定的條文就在26條根據26條第9款的規定就是你雖然所犯的罪不是一款到六款一款到六款以外的罪但是已經經過法院的判決有期徒刑以上的刑確定了那被宣告緩刑\n或者還沒有執行執行未必行刑權消滅時效等等的情況之下他就不具備參選的資格所以你認為他是不具備參選資格我只是在重複法律的規定是這個但是我們如果看到這個法很明顯的有違憲之餘的話難道我們行政機關按照我們釋字的第一\n525號其實我們行政機關是有義務來做一些解釋或者一個裁量不是嗎我們選務機關是依法行政辦理選務完全是要有法律的根據尤其選舉是競爭非常激烈的一個政治的活動所以我們必須要嚴格的遵守法律的規定不能有任何的閃失\n主委因為您當過法官在這方面你是專業的法律人就我一個半桶水的我都會認為說法律上面應該要有一個信賴保護原則的那在這部分當然我剛剛聽到您的確也講了說你們12月15號會有委員會來做決定要審定對不對\n但是你開口閉口都是要以現行的法律的規定依法來當然是但是\n主委就直接跟您來做一個行政機關未必會馬上我們修過法就會執行的6月30號我們修正通過了還有道路交通管理處罰條例規定6月30號就要上路的其中\n包括上下客、貨、違規、臨停以及騎樓停車都規定要祭典但是因為計程車貨運駕駛的陳情交通部在11月9日宣布暫緩實施交通違規祭典\n也就是說當你們如果看到的看到說這個非常明顯的這是可能侵害我們國人的一個參政權有違憲之餘而且可能他現在也要申請但是要申請釋憲可能需要法官我們看到王家珍他已經在申請他的司法救濟了我覺得我覺得\n中選會在有這麼明確的這個違憲之語的時候你們在15日的這個委員會應該要考慮大法官解釋的意旨\n要保障人權最簡單且不違憲違法的做法就是你們透過職權解釋法律認定基於不溯及既往以及信賴保護原則凡是所有在新法生效日前就已經宣告緩刑仍在進行中者應該還是要承認他具有參選的資格\n各方的意見我們在委員會裡面都會充分的討論都會充分討論都會充分討論但是最終最終我們就是嚴格遵照法律的規定是 但是本席剛剛也已經跟您提出來了交通部對於我們現行剛剛修過的法律他們覺得中間有不安難行馬上所以我就知道因為您會說聽過法律的授權有定定實施的日期\n他已經定定是6月31日開始我們並沒有我們的選罷法並沒有這個規定他6月31日已經在施行中他都還可以暫緩了那我們這個中選會仍然就是執意的就用這樣子\n立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院\n惡意的去解讀說中選會是成為政治的工具因為我知道大家都很努力我想這個嚴重了嚴重的誤會還是請你們能夠恪守恪守這個法律授予你們這個行政裁量也好或者是在解釋上面的權利切記我們在那個事件的525謝謝委員好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.470 --> 00:09.961\n謝謝主席,我請林部長、黃明洲署長以及黃某信次長部長、署長、次長三位好三位好\n\n00:19.434 --> 00:38.883\n我看到一個擇新我看了蠻難過的因為去年8月發生的台南殺警案有這個叫做師大數學哥的他是在我們曹蕙潔跟屠民城被殺了之後他在酸說台灣九城警察都是垃圾廢物\n\n00:40.185 --> 01:01.132\n然後臺南市警察局這個第二分局就調查之後就函送新北地檢署偵辦但是新北地檢署做出不起訴的處分然後家屬申請再議也被駁回了結果駁回之後他就更囂張了就一副就是\n\n01:03.032 --> 01:31.406\n好像是司法已經已經給他背書了然後就說這他說兩個警察死了都是言論自由部長跟署長你們作為警察的大家長你們對這樣子的言論自由你能夠接受嗎我看到了台南市黃偉哲市長出來踏法了但是我想聽你的聲音我想這樣子當然的這樣子的一個言論當然是不當的\n\n01:32.014 --> 01:43.847\n是不當的署長有沒有更積極的做法我想他這個言論我們真的深感不妥而且非常的不高興署長因為我做過\n\n01:51.455 --> 02:14.847\n我做了一些研究我們辦公室我本來今天想要去按鈴申告我覺得他還有心事證可是因為兩位當事人土民城跟曹俊傑都已經都已經過世了曹睿傑都過世了所以只能夠由家屬我們署裡面有一個這個訴訟的這個基金我希望署長\n\n02:16.161 --> 02:29.851\n我們要用我們的這個基金來支持支持兩位犧牲的同仁能夠幫他們贏回這個公道部長跟署長可不可以做得到可不可以答應做得到是\n\n02:32.866 --> 02:53.065\n我這個家屬就已經提起我由律師提起注釋那制式的部分那個費用律師的費用我們警政署會全力來支持是但是我也很希望很希望部長跟署長今天就發布一個強硬的這個聲明不要看到只有這個黃\n\n02:54.747 --> 03:01.917\n黃偉哲黃市長在那邊替警察講話不過兩位可以請回座我要問一下我要問一下我們這個黃市長市長\n\n03:09.196 --> 03:26.075\n為什麼新北地檢署會這樣馬上就給他做一個不起訴因為我今天看到這個新聞他說去年台北市大同分局的同仁因為去處理家暴的時候\n\n03:27.817 --> 03:45.205\n被當事人放狗出來咬警察但是我覺得這個檢察官至少讓我覺得還有一點還有一點點智慧至少是要讓當事人要認罪和解才能夠獲得還起訴\n\n03:47.116 --> 04:15.407\n我們新北地檢署就這樣子很輕率的就完全沒有顧慮到警察當時是冒著生命危險而且這個問題一開始就是我們法務部矯正署在外遺間條例上面的有一些疏失我們居然都沒有一種夥伴的護庭的這樣子至少要做到讓他們認罪嘛市長你覺得嗎\n\n04:17.128 --> 04:33.723\n跟我們報告,我們剛剛提那一個新北地檢署那個個案,他整個的,雖然檢察官做了不起訴處分,臺灣高檢署也駁回了這個在意的程序,但整個救濟程序其實還沒走完,那現在申請准許提起自訴的程序,所以那個案的狀況會怎麼樣,還要整個訴訟程序進行,還在進行當中?\n\n04:36.865 --> 05:01.318\n市長因為您跟警察合作也很久了我很希望你不要讓我們其他的這個檢察官都變成法將完全沒有辦法同理我們整個團隊在這邊所做的犧牲奉獻可不可以回去也加強一下我們檢察官們的這個在職訓練一下好嗎事實上檢察官的在職訓練我們不斷的在進行是好請回來接下來我要請中選會的李竺瑞\n\n05:12.475 --> 05:31.682\n主委您這段時間也辛苦了不過本會在今年上半年通過的選罷法包括我們執政黨的莊瑞雄委員他都認為這裡面是有一些有一些這個好像侵害人權之虞\n\n05:32.602 --> 05:59.796\n他自己都這麼認為我們公開都談過的就是未來都要申請釋憲的我們公務人員的選辦法剛剛因為陳以信委員已經跟你討教過了生效的時間是是今年的6月6月嘛對不對但是我們這個王家珍就台南的這個候選人王家珍他涉及的違狀文書案法院是在什麼時候宣判緩刑您知道嗎\n\n06:02.464 --> 06:12.026\n確實的時間我並不清楚明天請示今年3月啦今年3月所以王家珍其實剛剛那個陳以信也提過了他沒有辦法預見他這個選擇他的選擇不管是選擇一顆髮金一顆髮金馬上就執行完畢了跟他選擇緩刑會有這樣天差地別甚至影響到他在憲法保障的一個參政權\n\n06:30.270 --> 06:47.746\n所以我們當然也想要了解一下我們州選會他如果在這個案子上面你們會有怎麼樣的態度呢你們在處理上對於他的身份具不具備候選人資格的\n\n06:48.530 --> 07:07.296\n能不能預知一下謝謝委員我想我們審查候選人的消極資格那當然是影響非常重大的到底這個候選人有沒有參與選舉的資格這個不是說我們能夠有什麼裁量而是完全必須要嚴格的遵守選罷法的規定\n\n07:09.016 --> 07:31.529\n那選報法關於消極資格最主要規定的條文就在26條根據26條第9款的規定就是你雖然所犯的罪不是一款到六款一款到六款以外的罪但是已經經過法院的判決有期徒刑以上的刑確定了那被宣告緩刑\n\n07:32.609 --> 07:55.738\n或者還沒有執行執行未必行刑權消滅時效等等的情況之下他就不具備參選的資格所以你認為他是不具備參選資格我只是在重複法律的規定是這個但是我們如果看到這個法很明顯的有違憲之餘的話難道我們行政機關按照我們釋字的第一\n\n08:00.991 --> 08:23.642\n525號其實我們行政機關是有義務來做一些解釋或者一個裁量不是嗎我們選務機關是依法行政辦理選務完全是要有法律的根據尤其選舉是競爭非常激烈的一個政治的活動所以我們必須要嚴格的遵守法律的規定不能有任何的閃失\n\n08:24.810 --> 08:40.565\n主委因為您當過法官在這方面你是專業的法律人就我一個半桶水的我都會認為說法律上面應該要有一個信賴保護原則的那在這部分當然我剛剛聽到您的確也講了說你們12月15號會有委員會來做決定要審定對不對\n\n08:48.653 --> 08:54.667\n但是你開口閉口都是要以現行的法律的規定依法來當然是但是\n\n08:57.799 --> 09:19.238\n主委就直接跟您來做一個行政機關未必會馬上我們修過法就會執行的6月30號我們修正通過了還有道路交通管理處罰條例規定6月30號就要上路的其中\n\n09:20.359 --> 09:41.207\n包括上下客、貨、違規、臨停以及騎樓停車都規定要祭典但是因為計程車貨運駕駛的陳情交通部在11月9日宣布暫緩實施交通違規祭典\n\n09:43.598 --> 10:09.009\n也就是說當你們如果看到的看到說這個非常明顯的這是可能侵害我們國人的一個參政權有違憲之餘而且可能他現在也要申請但是要申請釋憲可能需要法官我們看到王家珍他已經在申請他的司法救濟了我覺得我覺得\n\n10:12.051 --> 10:15.214\n中選會在有這麼明確的這個違憲之語的時候你們在15日的這個委員會應該要考慮大法官解釋的意旨\n\n10:27.225 --> 10:53.277\n要保障人權最簡單且不違憲違法的做法就是你們透過職權解釋法律認定基於不溯及既往以及信賴保護原則凡是所有在新法生效日前就已經宣告緩刑仍在進行中者應該還是要承認他具有參選的資格\n\n10:55.851 --> 11:23.879\n各方的意見我們在委員會裡面都會充分的討論都會充分討論都會充分討論但是最終最終我們就是嚴格遵照法律的規定是但是本席剛剛也已經跟您提出來了交通部對於我們現行剛剛修過的法律他們覺得中間有不安難行馬上所以我就知道因為您會說聽過法律的授權有定定實施的日期\n\n11:24.798 --> 11:38.897\n他已經定定是6月31日開始我們並沒有我們的選罷法並沒有這個規定他6月31日已經在施行中他都還可以暫緩了那我們這個中選會仍然就是執意的就用這樣子\n\n11:39.738 --> 11:44.261\n立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院第16屆立法院\n\n12:01.591 --> 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