{"id":148980,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/148980","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a0ee4ec253a72029294f3e1f074ccefd94fc233f19f174e7c986728e607a0322883b0731a2b3b7265ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe","委員發言時間":"13:00:34 - 13:15:01","影片長度":"00:14:27","會議時間":"2023-12-11T10:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第10屆第8會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員、內政部部長、警政署署長、消防署署長、海巡署署長、原住民族委員會主任委員、國防部、法務部就「第16任總統副總統及第11屆立法委員選舉選務工作辦理情形、執勤軍警消海巡人員投票權益、文化健康站等工作人員於選舉期間之行政中立」進行專題報告，並備質詢；另邀請司法院列席備詢。二、原住民身分法：(一)審查行政院函請審議「原住民身分法修正草案」案。(二)繼續審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等16人擬具「原住民身分法第五條、第七條及第九條條文修正草案」案。(三)繼續審查委員劉櫂豪等18人擬具「原住民身分法第九條條文修正草案」案。(四)繼續審查委員郭國文等16人擬具「原住民身分法第二條條文修正草案」案。(五)繼續審查委員張宏陸等20人擬具「原住民身分法第二條條文修正草案」案。(六)繼續審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等18人擬具「原住民身分法第四條及第八條之一條文修正草案」案。(七)審查委員蔡適應等25人擬具「原住民身分法第四條、第七條及第八條條文修正草案」案。(八)審查委員陳明文等16人擬具「原住民身分法第九條條文修正草案」案。三、原住民族工作權保障法：(一)審查行政院函請審議「原住民族工作權保障法部分條文修正草案」案。(二)審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等17人擬具「原住民族工作權保障法部分條文修正草案」案。(三)審查委員伍麗華Saidhai 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Tahovecahe委員：主委好。今天內政委員會特別安排行政中立的專報，我們也都知道公務人員行政中立法的主管機關應該是在銓敘部，因為今天也沒有來備詢，所以我就大概問你們三個部會。","首先我想要請教一下中選會李主委，請您看一下，因為在上上個禮拜同樣的時間、同樣的地點，在我質詢之後，聽說有幾位委員就原民會辦的一個叫文化健康站的實施計畫到底有沒有行政中立的問題做了一番質詢討論，所以我在這邊請教一下李主委，這個文健站的主辦機關是原民會，承辦的機關是縣市政府，協辦是區公所、鄉公所，執行的單位其實是人民團體，也就是所謂的協會，這個協會會聘僱一些人員，就是所謂的照服人員，那我請教一下李主委，這一些被聘僱的照服員，他們適用或者準用公務人員行政中立法嗎？"],["李主任委員進勇：跟委員報告，中選會針對我們選務工作人員行政中立，我們是由銓敘部……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，所以我說今天銓敘部沒來嘛！所以……"],["李主任委員進勇：其他機關的人員這部分，因為不是我們職掌範圍之內，我們尊重權責機關的處理。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：那請教一下原民會主委，文健站的照服員適用或準用公務人員行政中立法嗎？"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：正如剛剛委員所提到的，照服員是文健站執行單位進用的人員，所以對原民會來講，這個不是機關的聘用人員，他是民間人員……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：就不是嘛！因為有人很關心，一而再、再而三的質詢，所以我也知道，你們在有委員質詢關心之後，今年的9月以及上一次質詢完的隔一個禮拜，你們也兩度發函給縣市政府以及文健站，這些內容我看到你們在今天的專報裡面也有寫到，就是希望避免於開站的期間為特定公職候選人公開站臺或協助拜票，也不應以文健站的名義帶長者去做候選人的競選活動，然後非上班時間，你們也要求應避免穿著文健站的背心去參加這些活動。那我請教一下，既然有人關心，我相信你們應該有去查了，有沒有查？有沒有查上次提到的那種情形？"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：正如剛剛委員提到的，我們已經兩度發函，9月13號跟11月28號，按照相關法律的規範……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：那有沒有去查？因為我記得那位委員他有要求要查。"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：目前我們沒有收到任何的案子。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：所以沒有查到？"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：沒有查到。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：那我們來看一下，因為我是不會做這種事啦！雖然我被指控，但是我們看一下一段影片，這是公開的影片。就是那一位委員。","（播放影片）"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：主委，這是文健站吧？他帶著另外一位平地原住民候選人，也公開穿著他候選人的背心，他說我要選立委了，我都是到文健站各地去拜票。這是他說出來的話。我們再看下一個，都是他質詢前的一個禮拜。","（播放影片）"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，我要說的是，我們也沒有特別去在意這件事，為什麼？因為關懷長者，我們也很高興，而且真的要去追究適不適用公務人員行政中立法，說實在你們也回答不出來，也沒有辦法究辦，那有沒有違反你們一而再、再而三講的規定？好，如果真的有違反，我相信你們的作法也就是逕行糾舉後，有可能這個協會就列入不適合的辦理單位。好，我們繼續看，多少年來，這是去年扶植的這些候選人，你看！到每一個文健站發快篩，長年累月去發物資，我們也都沒有人講這個，不會去指責，因為關心老人家是好事，雖然我沒有這個能耐、能力，沒有這個財力廣結善緣，但我也是祝福啊！因為多一點人關心老人是好事啊！但是我覺得不能因為在很多縣市暢行無阻，因為在某個縣市，我就直接講了，因為他也直接講了，屏東縣政府要求文健站員工輔選，在國會殿堂直接點名，因為沒有辦法在這個縣暢行無阻，就直接指控伍麗華跟這些員工說：不支持我，你們就離開，就沒有工作。更糟糕的是還製作影片散布，你們怎麼會容許這些行為？我請教一下，因為他有要求調查，有沒有跟屏東縣政府調查？有沒有掌握到有人指控我說不支持就離開的？"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：剛剛我也講過，到目前為止，沒有收到任何要求調查的案子，是沒有的。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：是，我的個性大家都知道，我也敢拍胸脯保證，我是很客氣的人，我很知道分寸在哪裡，我不會幹這些事。今天的備詢沒有邀請行政中立法的主管機關銓敘部，我覺得沒有辦法充分討論，但最起碼我想說的是，文健站的這些照服員、工作人員不是公務人員，他們享有參與政治及言論的表意自由，這樣子胡亂指控，還後製影片散布，他的意圖不是意圖使某人不當選，要不然就是意圖使那一些族人不敢發聲。我們是民主、自由的法治國家，一再的在國會殿堂上演這種荒唐的戲碼，還要指派議員在地方議會也做這樣的質詢，我覺得原民會作為原住民事務的主管機關，這個部分你們要拿出態度。我其實是想要藉這個機會，讓那些開始害怕的族人知道，行政中立法的規範是適用或準用公務員，並且有他的強度，並不是一般人民，憲法保障我們很多的自由，我們有參政權、選舉權，即便是一般的公務人員，也有參與政治的權利，也有表意的自由，我覺得不需要做到這個樣子，我們很多族人都非常傷心、非常難過、非常害怕，不應該是這個樣子。","既然是公務人員，在這個地方我們就來講好了，我們看一些真正的公務人員，這個都是從新聞隨便抓取的，有一個市長參加某個市府的官方活動，公開說自己正在參選總統，還發表選舉語言，請問一下，我要問誰啊？法務部，有無違法？"],["黃次長謀信：跟委員報告，委員所提的違法是指違反行政中立法，還是指違什麼相關法？"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：各種法。"],["黃次長謀信：如果是行政中立法的話，那就不是本部所主管的法規……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：所以啊！今天不叫行政中立法的主管機關來，我就不懂啊！我們要討論這個法，結果主管機關沒有來，我就不知道要怎麼問啊？"],["黃次長謀信：如果是有沒有違反選罷法相關刑罰規定，那要由個案判斷；至於刑罰部分，法務部是主管機關沒有錯，檢察官應該會就這個個案去處理。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，像這個案例，里長出面用里民聚會的名義借場地，結果最後是辦候選人的後援大會，有沒有違法？"],["黃次長謀信：委員提的還是行政中立的問題。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：那問中選會主委，他是選務工作吧？"],["李主任委員進勇：他不是我們的選務工作人員，里長不是。"],["伍麗華Saidhai 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00:02:49,004\n因為趙輔演是正如剛剛委員所提到的他是文件站執行單位禁用的人員所以對顏明慧來講這個不是機關的聘用人員他是一個民間人員好,就不是嘛,好那因為有人很關心一而再再而三的諮詢所以我也知道你們在有委員諮詢關心之後呢今年的9月以及上一次諮詢完的隔天隔一個禮拜你們也兩度\n\n8\n00:02:52,486 --> 00:03:09,991\n發函給縣市政府以及文件站。」我看到你們裡面的這些內容今天在專報裡面也有寫到就是希望說避免於開站的期間為特定公職候選人公開站開或協助拜票\n\n9\n00:03:10,771 --> 00:03:32,990\n也不應以文件站的名義帶長者去做候選人的競選活動然後非上班時間你們也要求應避免穿著文件站的背心去參加這些活動好那我請教一下既然有人關心我相信你們應該有去查了有沒有查有沒有查上次提到的那種情形\n\n10\n00:03:39,880 --> 00:04:07,378\n這如剛剛委員提到就是我們已經兩度發函9月13號跟11月28號按照相關的法律的規範那有沒有去查因為我記得那位委員他有要求要查目前我們沒有收到任何的案子所以沒有查到沒有查到沒有查到那我們來看一下因為我是不會做這種事雖然我被指控但是我們看一下一段影片因為這是公開的影片\n\n11\n00:04:09,059 --> 00:04:34,497\n就是那一位委員主委這是文健站吧他帶著另外一位平地原住民候選人也公開穿著他候選人背心\n\n12\n00:04:41,219 --> 00:04:53,103\n他說我要選立委了我都是到文健站各地去報票這是他說出來的話我們再看下一個都是他質詢前的一個禮拜好\n\n13\n00:05:09,181 --> 00:05:31,504\n我要說的是我們也沒有人特別去在意這件事為什麼因為關懷長者我們也很高興而且真的要去追究他是不是公務人員行政中立法說實在你們也回答不出來也沒有辦法就辦那有沒有違反你們一而再再而三講的規定好真的違反\n\n14\n00:05:32,225 --> 00:05:51,957\n我相信你們的做法也就是進行糾舉之後有可能這個協會可能就列入不適合的辦理單位好但是我要說的是多少年來像我們繼續看這是去年扶植的這些候選人你看到每一個文件站發快篩長年累月去發物資\n\n15\n00:05:53,078 --> 00:06:12,285\n我們也都沒有人為什麼去講這個不會去指責因為關心老人家嘛好事嘛雖然我沒有這個能耐能力沒有這個財力廣潔善言但是我也是祝福啊因為多一點的人去關心老人是好事啊但是我覺得不能因為\n\n16\n00:06:13,405 --> 00:06:30,875\n在很多的縣市暢行無阻就因為在某個縣市我就直接講了因為他也直接講了屏東縣政府要求文件在員工撫選在國會殿堂直接點名因為沒有辦法在這個縣暢行無阻然後還指控直接說伍綠華跟這些員工說不支持我你們就離開就沒有工作\n\n17\n00:06:43,459 --> 00:06:47,681\n更糟糕的是還製作影片散佈你們怎麼會容許這些行為我請教一下因為他有要求調查有沒有跟屏東縣政府調查有沒有掌握到有沒有人指控我不支持就離開\n\n18\n00:07:06,704 --> 00:07:20,649\n就跟委員剛才我講過就是到目前為止沒有收到任何要求調查的案子但是因為是沒有的我是我的個性大家都知道我也敢拍胸脯保證我是很客氣的人我很知道分寸在哪裡我不會幹這些事所以今天的備詢沒有邀請到\n\n19\n00:07:30,140 --> 00:07:46,151\n行政中立法的主管機關群序部所以我覺得也沒有辦法充分討論但是最起碼我想說的是文健站的這些造福員工作人員他不是公務人員他享有參與政治及言論的表意自由\n\n20\n00:07:47,825 --> 00:08:01,615\n這樣子去胡亂指控真的要嘛還做影片後製散布要不然他的意圖就是意圖使某人不當選要不然就是意圖使那一些族人不敢發聲\n\n21\n00:08:05,827 --> 00:08:33,229\n我不太曉得說我們是民主自由的法治國家然後一再的在國會殿堂上演這種荒唐的戲碼還要指派議員在地方的議會也要去做這樣的諮詢我覺得原民會作為原住民事務的主管機關我覺得這個部分你們也要拿出態度那我其實想要藉這個機會只是讓那些開始害怕的族人知道\n\n22\n00:08:34,605 --> 00:08:45,383\n我們的行政中立法是規範適用的是我們的公務員跟這些準用的公務員並且他有他的強度不是一般的人民\n\n23\n00:08:46,936 --> 00:09:09,965\n憲法保障我們很多的自由我們也有參政權、選舉權即便是一般的公務人員他也有參與政治的權利他也有表意的自由我覺得不需要做到這個樣子那我們很多的族人非常的傷心非常的難過非常的害怕不應該是這個樣子所以我在這個地方那既然是公務人員我們就來講好了我們來看一些真正的公務人員這個都是新聞隨便抓的\n\n24\n00:09:15,020 --> 00:09:26,647\n有一個市長他參加某個市府的官方活動公開說自己正在參選總統還發表選舉的語言請問一下我要問誰啊法務部有無違法\n\n25\n00:09:30,751 --> 00:09:34,434\n各種法所以今天就不叫行政中立的主管機關我就不懂啊我們要討論這個法結果主管機關就沒有來我就不知道怎麼問啊\n\n26\n00:09:49,356 --> 00:10:11,860\n對那如果說這是有沒有違反選罷法相關的刑罰的規定倒是個案要去判斷啦那刑罰的部分倒是法務部主管機關沒有錯那刑罰假官他就這個個案他應該會去處理好像這個案例里長出面用里民聚會的名義去借場地結果最後是辦候選人的候議員大會有沒有違法委員提的還是行政中立的問題\n\n27\n00:10:18,096 --> 00:10:43,648\n那問中選會主委他是選務工作他不是我們的選務工作人員里長他不是所以就問不出來嗎要找全序部來是嗎其他權責機關那再講一個好了那參加官方的活動然後呢搭配當選的歌曲然後在那個地方大家公務人員配合喊動算動算有沒有違反\n\n28\n00:10:48,557 --> 00:11:14,742\n大家都沒有辦法因為都不是主管機關好園民會今天我們有審查原住民族工作權保障法那這個目的我自己的版本就是希望增加就業的機會讓更多的人受益所以我們希望去修不要限於約聘僱五類人員那個太低了那我請教一下我們希望開放所有的職缺請教一下園民會可不可行\n\n29\n00:11:16,870 --> 00:11:39,175\n這個是我們目前送大宴的一個版本就是希望我們不能禁用的部分不應該只限業務人員這樣的話沒有辦法提升我們的這個收入啦因為業務人員一般的收入比較低嘛所以我們希望有更好的這個保障讓原住民在公部門可以工作好謝謝齁那我們都很期待今天能不能出委員會\n\n30\n00:11:41,696 --> 00:12:02,499\n希望大宴支持行政院的版本那如果這個法案修法通過之後大約可以增加多少的工作機會以目前行政院的版本的話可以再增加一萬三千多個工作機會那以我們原住民的人口數來講應該是用不完吧還是不夠可以充分讓原住民在\n\n31\n00:12:03,683 --> 00:12:30,368\n公部門的就業的職務類型不是只有大部分都停留在業故人員這個地方不是只有機工工友可以在很多的各部會各地方政府裡面有更好的一個升遷的機會好謝謝那我也想要請教一下今天要審查原住民身份法再給我一分鐘請教一下園民會因為這次憲法法庭判決出來我們也必須在這個時候去做出修法\n\n32\n00:12:32,009 --> 00:12:51,508\n這個關於原母漢父我看我們的版本也都同意了就是冠漢人父親的姓氏再加原住民的名字對不對這個以前我們無法想像的也都通過了所以我想要請教您一下因為原住民身份法它連動的就是姓名條例\n\n33\n00:12:53,499 --> 00:13:12,870\n這個姓名條例當然主管機關是內政部可是我想要先問一下園民會你同不同意單列原住民族群在《原住民族語言發展法》裡面我們已經有原住民族文字是啊既然我們是國家的語言發展法是可以單列\n\n34\n00:13:13,230 --> 00:13:37,580\n對嘛大家都這麼認為嘛國家語言發展法都出來了承認我們的文字也是文字那麼請教一下內政部齁因為我一直在講過去質詢的時候說原住民身份條例跟姓名條例齁原住民身份法跟姓名條例兩個法應該是沒有辦法脫鉤啦因為是連動我們會被影響所以我想請教一下好最後最後齁\n\n35\n00:13:38,180 --> 00:13:54,027\n那最後這個就是姓名條例第二條我在第三會期就已經提出修法版本我希望用臺灣原住民的傳統姓名得使用羅馬拼音或原住民族文字登記不受前兩項的限制那不曉得內政部怎麼樣今天也有排這個\n\n36\n00:13:59,063 --> 00:14:20,879\n下修法再來談好不好那我就是問一下態度跟委員報告這個行政院他已經決議朝單列羅馬拼音的方式進行但是後續還要進行相關的溝通協調那等行政院整個政策拍板定案之後我就是要這個答案行政院已經同意單列了對不對好感謝謝謝部長謝謝主委謝謝部長謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5058\t22324\t謝謝主席,有請中選會、原民會、法務部,謝謝李主委、宜將主委,還有林部長請法務部不好意思,林部長不用,黃次長請委員好\n27267\t53458\t好 主委好今天內政委員會特別安排行政中立的專報我們也都知道公務人員行政中立法的主管機關應該是在權序部因為今天也沒有來備訓所以我就大概問我們三個部會首先我想要請教一下中選會李主委請您看一下\n55134\t77131\t因為在上上個禮拜同樣的時間同樣的地點在我質詢之後聽說有幾位委員就原民會辦的一個叫文化健康站的實施計畫到底有沒有行政中立的問題做了一番質詢討論所以我在這邊請教一下李主委\n78252\t104810\t這個文件站它的主辦機關是原民會承辦的機關是縣市政府協辦區公所、鄉公所那麼執行的單位其實是原民團體也就是所謂的協會那這個協會呢它會聘僱一些人員就是所謂的造福人員好 那我請教一下李主委這一些被聘僱的造福員\n105891\t110153\t他們適用或者准用公務人員行政中立法嗎?跟委員報告中選會針對我們選務工作人員行政中立我們是有權限所以其他機關的人員這部分因為不是我們執掌範圍之內我們尊重全職機關的處理\n131445\t140418\t好來那請教一下原民會主委請教主委吼文件站的造福員適用或准用公務人員行政中立法嗎\n142086\t169004\t因為趙輔演是正如剛剛委員所提到的他是文件站執行單位禁用的人員所以對顏明慧來講這個不是機關的聘用人員他是一個民間人員好,就不是嘛,好那因為有人很關心一而再再而三的諮詢所以我也知道你們在有委員諮詢關心之後呢今年的9月以及上一次諮詢完的隔天隔一個禮拜你們也兩度\n172486\t189991\t發函給縣市政府以及文件站。」我看到你們裡面的這些內容今天在專報裡面也有寫到就是希望說避免於開站的期間為特定公職候選人公開站開或協助拜票\n190771\t212990\t也不應以文件站的名義帶長者去做候選人的競選活動然後非上班時間你們也要求應避免穿著文件站的背心去參加這些活動好 那我請教一下既然有人關心我相信你們應該有去查了有沒有查有沒有查上次提到的那種情形\n219880\t247378\t這如剛剛委員提到就是我們已經兩度發函9月13號跟11月28號按照相關的法律的規範那有沒有去查因為我記得那位委員他有要求要查目前我們沒有收到任何的案子所以沒有查到沒有查到沒有查到那我們來看一下因為我是不會做這種事雖然我被指控但是我們看一下一段影片因為這是公開的影片\n249059\t274497\t就是那一位委員主委這是文健站吧他帶著另外一位平地原住民候選人也公開穿著他候選人背心\n281219\t293103\t他說我要選立委了我都是到文健站各地去報票這是他說出來的話我們再看下一個都是他質詢前的一個禮拜好\n309181\t331504\t我要說的是我們也沒有人特別去在意這件事為什麼因為關懷長者我們也很高興而且真的要去追究他是不是公務人員行政中立法說實在你們也回答不出來也沒有辦法就辦那有沒有違反你們一而再再而三講的規定好 真的違反\n332225\t351957\t我相信你們的做法也就是進行糾舉之後有可能這個協會可能就列入不適合的辦理單位好但是我要說的是多少年來像我們繼續看這是去年扶植的這些候選人你看到每一個文件站發快篩長年累月去發物資\n353078\t372285\t我們也都沒有人為什麼去講這個不會去指責因為關心老人家嘛好事嘛雖然我沒有這個能耐能力沒有這個財力廣潔善言但是我也是祝福啊因為多一點的人去關心老人是好事啊但是我覺得不能因為\n373405\t390875\t在很多的縣市暢行無阻就因為在某個縣市我就直接講了因為他也直接講了屏東縣政府要求文件在員工撫選在國會殿堂直接點名因為沒有辦法在這個縣暢行無阻然後還指控直接說伍綠華跟這些員工說不支持我你們就離開就沒有工作\n403459\t407681\t更糟糕的是還製作影片散佈你們怎麼會容許這些行為我請教一下因為他有要求調查有沒有跟屏東縣政府調查有沒有掌握到有沒有人指控我不支持就離開\n426704\t440649\t就跟委員剛才我講過就是到目前為止沒有收到任何要求調查的案子但是因為是沒有的我是我的個性大家都知道我也敢拍胸脯保證我是很客氣的人我很知道分寸在哪裡我不會幹這些事所以今天的備詢沒有邀請到\n450140\t466151\t行政中立法的主管機關群序部所以我覺得也沒有辦法充分討論但是最起碼我想說的是文健站的這些造福員工作人員他不是公務人員他享有參與政治及言論的表意自由\n467825\t481615\t這樣子去胡亂指控真的要嘛還做影片後製散布要不然他的意圖就是意圖使某人不當選要不然就是意圖使那一些族人不敢發聲\n485827\t513229\t我不太曉得說我們是民主自由的法治國家然後一再的在國會殿堂上演這種荒唐的戲碼還要指派議員在地方的議會也要去做這樣的諮詢我覺得原民會作為原住民事務的主管機關我覺得這個部分你們也要拿出態度那我其實想要藉這個機會只是讓那些開始害怕的族人知道\n514605\t525383\t我們的行政中立法是規範適用的是我們的公務員跟這些準用的公務員並且他有他的強度不是一般的人民\n526936\t549965\t憲法保障我們很多的自由我們也有參政權、選舉權即便是一般的公務人員他也有參與政治的權利他也有表意的自由我覺得不需要做到這個樣子那我們很多的族人非常的傷心非常的難過非常的害怕不應該是這個樣子所以我在這個地方那既然是公務人員我們就來講好了我們來看一些真正的公務人員這個都是新聞隨便抓的\n555020\t566647\t有一個市長他參加某個市府的官方活動公開說自己正在參選總統還發表選舉的語言請問一下我要問誰啊法務部有無違法\n570751\t574434\t各種法所以今天就不叫行政中立的主管機關我就不懂啊我們要討論這個法結果主管機關就沒有來我就不知道怎麼問啊\n589356\t611860\t對那如果說這是有沒有違反選罷法相關的刑罰的規定倒是個案要去判斷啦那刑罰的部分倒是法務部主管機關沒有錯那刑罰假官他就這個個案他應該會去處理好像這個案例里長出面用里民聚會的名義去借場地結果最後是辦候選人的候議員大會有沒有違法委員提的還是行政中立的問題\n618096\t643648\t那問中選會主委他是選務工作他不是我們的選務工作人員里長他不是所以就問不出來嗎要找全序部來是嗎其他權責機關那再講一個好了那參加官方的活動然後呢搭配當選的歌曲然後在那個地方大家公務人員配合喊動算動算有沒有違反\n648557\t674742\t大家都沒有辦法因為都不是主管機關好 園民會今天我們有審查原住民族工作權保障法那這個目的我自己的版本就是希望增加就業的機會讓更多的人受益所以我們希望去修不要限於約聘僱五類人員那個太低了那我請教一下我們希望開放所有的職缺請教一下園民會可不可行\n676870\t699175\t這個是我們目前送大宴的一個版本就是希望我們不能禁用的部分不應該只限業務人員這樣的話沒有辦法提升我們的這個收入啦因為業務人員一般的收入比較低嘛所以我們希望有更好的這個保障讓原住民在公部門可以工作好 謝謝齁那我們都很期待今天能不能出委員會\n701696\t722499\t希望大宴支持行政院的版本那如果這個法案修法通過之後大約可以增加多少的工作機會以目前行政院的版本的話可以再增加一萬三千多個工作機會那以我們原住民的人口數來講應該是用不完吧還是不夠可以充分讓原住民在\n723683\t750368\t公部門的就業的職務類型不是只有大部分都停留在業故人員這個地方不是只有機工工友可以在很多的各部會各地方政府裡面有更好的一個升遷的機會好 謝謝那我也想要請教一下今天要審查原住民身份法再給我一分鐘請教一下園民會因為這次憲法法庭判決出來我們也必須在這個時候去做出修法\n752009\t771508\t這個關於原母漢父我看我們的版本也都同意了就是冠漢人父親的姓氏再加原住民的名字對不對這個以前我們無法想像的也都通過了所以我想要請教您一下因為原住民身份法它連動的就是姓名條例\n773499\t792870\t這個姓名條例當然主管機關是內政部可是我想要先問一下園民會你同不同意單列原住民族群在《原住民族語言發展法》裡面我們已經有原住民族文字 是啊既然我們是國家的語言發展法 是可以單列\n793230\t817580\t對嘛大家都這麼認為嘛國家語言發展法都出來了承認我們的文字也是文字那麼請教一下內政部齁因為我一直在講過去質詢的時候說原住民身份條例跟姓名條例齁原住民身份法跟姓名條例兩個法應該是沒有辦法脫鉤啦因為是連動我們會被影響所以我想請教一下好最後最後齁\n818180\t834027\t那最後這個就是姓名條例第二條我在第三會期就已經提出修法版本我希望用臺灣原住民的傳統姓名得使用羅馬拼音或原住民族文字登記不受前兩項的限制那不曉得內政部怎麼樣今天也有排這個\n839063\t860879\t下修法再來談好不好那我就是問一下態度跟委員報告這個行政院他已經決議朝單列羅馬拼音的方式進行但是後續還要進行相關的溝通協調那等行政院整個政策拍板定案之後我就是要這個答案行政院已經同意單列了對不對好感謝謝謝部長謝謝主委謝謝部長謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席,有請中選會、原民會、法務部,謝謝李主委、宜將主委,還有林部長請法務部不好意思,林部長不用,黃次長請委員好\n好 主委好今天內政委員會特別安排行政中立的專報我們也都知道公務人員行政中立法的主管機關應該是在權序部因為今天也沒有來備訓所以我就大概問我們三個部會首先我想要請教一下中選會李主委請您看一下\n因為在上上個禮拜同樣的時間同樣的地點在我質詢之後聽說有幾位委員就原民會辦的一個叫文化健康站的實施計畫到底有沒有行政中立的問題做了一番質詢討論所以我在這邊請教一下李主委\n這個文件站它的主辦機關是原民會承辦的機關是縣市政府協辦區公所、鄉公所那麼執行的單位其實是原民團體也就是所謂的協會那這個協會呢它會聘僱一些人員就是所謂的造福人員好 那我請教一下李主委這一些被聘僱的造福員\n他們適用或者准用公務人員行政中立法嗎?跟委員報告中選會針對我們選務工作人員行政中立我們是有權限所以其他機關的人員這部分因為不是我們執掌範圍之內我們尊重全職機關的處理\n好來那請教一下原民會主委請教主委吼文件站的造福員適用或准用公務人員行政中立法嗎\n因為趙輔演是正如剛剛委員所提到的他是文件站執行單位禁用的人員所以對顏明慧來講這個不是機關的聘用人員他是一個民間人員好,就不是嘛,好那因為有人很關心一而再再而三的諮詢所以我也知道你們在有委員諮詢關心之後呢今年的9月以及上一次諮詢完的隔天隔一個禮拜你們也兩度\n發函給縣市政府以及文件站。」我看到你們裡面的這些內容今天在專報裡面也有寫到就是希望說避免於開站的期間為特定公職候選人公開站開或協助拜票\n也不應以文件站的名義帶長者去做候選人的競選活動然後非上班時間你們也要求應避免穿著文件站的背心去參加這些活動好 那我請教一下既然有人關心我相信你們應該有去查了有沒有查有沒有查上次提到的那種情形\n這如剛剛委員提到就是我們已經兩度發函9月13號跟11月28號按照相關的法律的規範那有沒有去查因為我記得那位委員他有要求要查目前我們沒有收到任何的案子所以沒有查到沒有查到沒有查到那我們來看一下因為我是不會做這種事雖然我被指控但是我們看一下一段影片因為這是公開的影片\n就是那一位委員主委這是文健站吧他帶著另外一位平地原住民候選人也公開穿著他候選人背心\n他說我要選立委了我都是到文健站各地去報票這是他說出來的話我們再看下一個都是他質詢前的一個禮拜好\n我要說的是我們也沒有人特別去在意這件事為什麼因為關懷長者我們也很高興而且真的要去追究他是不是公務人員行政中立法說實在你們也回答不出來也沒有辦法就辦那有沒有違反你們一而再再而三講的規定好 真的違反\n我相信你們的做法也就是進行糾舉之後有可能這個協會可能就列入不適合的辦理單位好但是我要說的是多少年來像我們繼續看這是去年扶植的這些候選人你看到每一個文件站發快篩長年累月去發物資\n我們也都沒有人為什麼去講這個不會去指責因為關心老人家嘛好事嘛雖然我沒有這個能耐能力沒有這個財力廣潔善言但是我也是祝福啊因為多一點的人去關心老人是好事啊但是我覺得不能因為\n在很多的縣市暢行無阻就因為在某個縣市我就直接講了因為他也直接講了屏東縣政府要求文件在員工撫選在國會殿堂直接點名因為沒有辦法在這個縣暢行無阻然後還指控直接說伍綠華跟這些員工說不支持我你們就離開就沒有工作\n更糟糕的是還製作影片散佈你們怎麼會容許這些行為我請教一下因為他有要求調查有沒有跟屏東縣政府調查有沒有掌握到有沒有人指控我不支持就離開\n就跟委員剛才我講過就是到目前為止沒有收到任何要求調查的案子但是因為是沒有的我是我的個性大家都知道我也敢拍胸脯保證我是很客氣的人我很知道分寸在哪裡我不會幹這些事所以今天的備詢沒有邀請到\n行政中立法的主管機關群序部所以我覺得也沒有辦法充分討論但是最起碼我想說的是文健站的這些造福員工作人員他不是公務人員他享有參與政治及言論的表意自由\n這樣子去胡亂指控真的要嘛還做影片後製散布要不然他的意圖就是意圖使某人不當選要不然就是意圖使那一些族人不敢發聲\n我不太曉得說我們是民主自由的法治國家然後一再的在國會殿堂上演這種荒唐的戲碼還要指派議員在地方的議會也要去做這樣的諮詢我覺得原民會作為原住民事務的主管機關我覺得這個部分你們也要拿出態度那我其實想要藉這個機會只是讓那些開始害怕的族人知道\n我們的行政中立法是規範適用的是我們的公務員跟這些準用的公務員並且他有他的強度不是一般的人民\n憲法保障我們很多的自由我們也有參政權、選舉權即便是一般的公務人員他也有參與政治的權利他也有表意的自由我覺得不需要做到這個樣子那我們很多的族人非常的傷心非常的難過非常的害怕不應該是這個樣子所以我在這個地方那既然是公務人員我們就來講好了我們來看一些真正的公務人員這個都是新聞隨便抓的\n有一個市長他參加某個市府的官方活動公開說自己正在參選總統還發表選舉的語言請問一下我要問誰啊法務部有無違法\n各種法所以今天就不叫行政中立的主管機關我就不懂啊我們要討論這個法結果主管機關就沒有來我就不知道怎麼問啊\n對那如果說這是有沒有違反選罷法相關的刑罰的規定倒是個案要去判斷啦那刑罰的部分倒是法務部主管機關沒有錯那刑罰假官他就這個個案他應該會去處理好像這個案例里長出面用里民聚會的名義去借場地結果最後是辦候選人的候議員大會有沒有違法委員提的還是行政中立的問題\n那問中選會主委他是選務工作他不是我們的選務工作人員里長他不是所以就問不出來嗎要找全序部來是嗎其他權責機關那再講一個好了那參加官方的活動然後呢搭配當選的歌曲然後在那個地方大家公務人員配合喊動算動算有沒有違反\n大家都沒有辦法因為都不是主管機關好 園民會今天我們有審查原住民族工作權保障法那這個目的我自己的版本就是希望增加就業的機會讓更多的人受益所以我們希望去修不要限於約聘僱五類人員那個太低了那我請教一下我們希望開放所有的職缺請教一下園民會可不可行\n這個是我們目前送大宴的一個版本就是希望我們不能禁用的部分不應該只限業務人員這樣的話沒有辦法提升我們的這個收入啦因為業務人員一般的收入比較低嘛所以我們希望有更好的這個保障讓原住民在公部門可以工作好 謝謝齁那我們都很期待今天能不能出委員會\n希望大宴支持行政院的版本那如果這個法案修法通過之後大約可以增加多少的工作機會以目前行政院的版本的話可以再增加一萬三千多個工作機會那以我們原住民的人口數來講應該是用不完吧還是不夠可以充分讓原住民在\n公部門的就業的職務類型不是只有大部分都停留在業故人員這個地方不是只有機工工友可以在很多的各部會各地方政府裡面有更好的一個升遷的機會好 謝謝那我也想要請教一下今天要審查原住民身份法再給我一分鐘請教一下園民會因為這次憲法法庭判決出來我們也必須在這個時候去做出修法\n這個關於原母漢父我看我們的版本也都同意了就是冠漢人父親的姓氏再加原住民的名字對不對這個以前我們無法想像的也都通過了所以我想要請教您一下因為原住民身份法它連動的就是姓名條例\n這個姓名條例當然主管機關是內政部可是我想要先問一下園民會你同不同意單列原住民族群在《原住民族語言發展法》裡面我們已經有原住民族文字 是啊既然我們是國家的語言發展法 是可以單列\n對嘛大家都這麼認為嘛國家語言發展法都出來了承認我們的文字也是文字那麼請教一下內政部齁因為我一直在講過去質詢的時候說原住民身份條例跟姓名條例齁原住民身份法跟姓名條例兩個法應該是沒有辦法脫鉤啦因為是連動我們會被影響所以我想請教一下好最後最後齁\n那最後這個就是姓名條例第二條我在第三會期就已經提出修法版本我希望用臺灣原住民的傳統姓名得使用羅馬拼音或原住民族文字登記不受前兩項的限制那不曉得內政部怎麼樣今天也有排這個\n下修法再來談好不好那我就是問一下態度跟委員報告這個行政院他已經決議朝單列羅馬拼音的方式進行但是後續還要進行相關的溝通協調那等行政院整個政策拍板定案之後我就是要這個答案行政院已經同意單列了對不對好感謝謝謝部長謝謝主委謝謝部長謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.058 --> 00:22.324\n謝謝主席,有請中選會、原民會、法務部,謝謝李主委、宜將主委,還有林部長請法務部不好意思,林部長不用,黃次長請委員好\n\n00:27.267 --> 00:53.458\n好主委好今天內政委員會特別安排行政中立的專報我們也都知道公務人員行政中立法的主管機關應該是在權序部因為今天也沒有來備訓所以我就大概問我們三個部會首先我想要請教一下中選會李主委請您看一下\n\n00:55.134 --> 01:17.131\n因為在上上個禮拜同樣的時間同樣的地點在我質詢之後聽說有幾位委員就原民會辦的一個叫文化健康站的實施計畫到底有沒有行政中立的問題做了一番質詢討論所以我在這邊請教一下李主委\n\n01:18.252 --> 01:44.810\n這個文件站它的主辦機關是原民會承辦的機關是縣市政府協辦區公所、鄉公所那麼執行的單位其實是原民團體也就是所謂的協會那這個協會呢它會聘僱一些人員就是所謂的造福人員好那我請教一下李主委這一些被聘僱的造福員\n\n01:45.891 --> 01:50.153\n他們適用或者准用公務人員行政中立法嗎?跟委員報告中選會針對我們選務工作人員行政中立我們是有權限所以其他機關的人員這部分因為不是我們執掌範圍之內我們尊重全職機關的處理\n\n02:11.445 --> 02:20.418\n好來那請教一下原民會主委請教主委吼文件站的造福員適用或准用公務人員行政中立法嗎\n\n02:22.086 --> 02:49.004\n因為趙輔演是正如剛剛委員所提到的他是文件站執行單位禁用的人員所以對顏明慧來講這個不是機關的聘用人員他是一個民間人員好,就不是嘛,好那因為有人很關心一而再再而三的諮詢所以我也知道你們在有委員諮詢關心之後呢今年的9月以及上一次諮詢完的隔天隔一個禮拜你們也兩度\n\n02:52.486 --> 03:09.991\n發函給縣市政府以及文件站。」我看到你們裡面的這些內容今天在專報裡面也有寫到就是希望說避免於開站的期間為特定公職候選人公開站開或協助拜票\n\n03:10.771 --> 03:32.990\n也不應以文件站的名義帶長者去做候選人的競選活動然後非上班時間你們也要求應避免穿著文件站的背心去參加這些活動好那我請教一下既然有人關心我相信你們應該有去查了有沒有查有沒有查上次提到的那種情形\n\n03:39.880 --> 04:07.378\n這如剛剛委員提到就是我們已經兩度發函9月13號跟11月28號按照相關的法律的規範那有沒有去查因為我記得那位委員他有要求要查目前我們沒有收到任何的案子所以沒有查到沒有查到沒有查到那我們來看一下因為我是不會做這種事雖然我被指控但是我們看一下一段影片因為這是公開的影片\n\n04:09.059 --> 04:34.497\n就是那一位委員主委這是文健站吧他帶著另外一位平地原住民候選人也公開穿著他候選人背心\n\n04:41.219 --> 04:53.103\n他說我要選立委了我都是到文健站各地去報票這是他說出來的話我們再看下一個都是他質詢前的一個禮拜好\n\n05:09.181 --> 05:31.504\n我要說的是我們也沒有人特別去在意這件事為什麼因為關懷長者我們也很高興而且真的要去追究他是不是公務人員行政中立法說實在你們也回答不出來也沒有辦法就辦那有沒有違反你們一而再再而三講的規定好真的違反\n\n05:32.225 --> 05:51.957\n我相信你們的做法也就是進行糾舉之後有可能這個協會可能就列入不適合的辦理單位好但是我要說的是多少年來像我們繼續看這是去年扶植的這些候選人你看到每一個文件站發快篩長年累月去發物資\n\n05:53.078 --> 06:12.285\n我們也都沒有人為什麼去講這個不會去指責因為關心老人家嘛好事嘛雖然我沒有這個能耐能力沒有這個財力廣潔善言但是我也是祝福啊因為多一點的人去關心老人是好事啊但是我覺得不能因為\n\n06:13.405 --> 06:30.875\n在很多的縣市暢行無阻就因為在某個縣市我就直接講了因為他也直接講了屏東縣政府要求文件在員工撫選在國會殿堂直接點名因為沒有辦法在這個縣暢行無阻然後還指控直接說伍綠華跟這些員工說不支持我你們就離開就沒有工作\n\n06:43.459 --> 06:47.681\n更糟糕的是還製作影片散佈你們怎麼會容許這些行為我請教一下因為他有要求調查有沒有跟屏東縣政府調查有沒有掌握到有沒有人指控我不支持就離開\n\n07:06.704 --> 07:20.649\n就跟委員剛才我講過就是到目前為止沒有收到任何要求調查的案子但是因為是沒有的我是我的個性大家都知道我也敢拍胸脯保證我是很客氣的人我很知道分寸在哪裡我不會幹這些事所以今天的備詢沒有邀請到\n\n07:30.140 --> 07:46.151\n行政中立法的主管機關群序部所以我覺得也沒有辦法充分討論但是最起碼我想說的是文健站的這些造福員工作人員他不是公務人員他享有參與政治及言論的表意自由\n\n07:47.825 --> 08:01.615\n這樣子去胡亂指控真的要嘛還做影片後製散布要不然他的意圖就是意圖使某人不當選要不然就是意圖使那一些族人不敢發聲\n\n08:05.827 --> 08:33.229\n我不太曉得說我們是民主自由的法治國家然後一再的在國會殿堂上演這種荒唐的戲碼還要指派議員在地方的議會也要去做這樣的諮詢我覺得原民會作為原住民事務的主管機關我覺得這個部分你們也要拿出態度那我其實想要藉這個機會只是讓那些開始害怕的族人知道\n\n08:34.605 --> 08:45.383\n我們的行政中立法是規範適用的是我們的公務員跟這些準用的公務員並且他有他的強度不是一般的人民\n\n08:46.936 --> 09:09.965\n憲法保障我們很多的自由我們也有參政權、選舉權即便是一般的公務人員他也有參與政治的權利他也有表意的自由我覺得不需要做到這個樣子那我們很多的族人非常的傷心非常的難過非常的害怕不應該是這個樣子所以我在這個地方那既然是公務人員我們就來講好了我們來看一些真正的公務人員這個都是新聞隨便抓的\n\n09:15.020 --> 09:26.647\n有一個市長他參加某個市府的官方活動公開說自己正在參選總統還發表選舉的語言請問一下我要問誰啊法務部有無違法\n\n09:30.751 --> 09:34.434\n各種法所以今天就不叫行政中立的主管機關我就不懂啊我們要討論這個法結果主管機關就沒有來我就不知道怎麼問啊\n\n09:49.356 --> 10:11.860\n對那如果說這是有沒有違反選罷法相關的刑罰的規定倒是個案要去判斷啦那刑罰的部分倒是法務部主管機關沒有錯那刑罰假官他就這個個案他應該會去處理好像這個案例里長出面用里民聚會的名義去借場地結果最後是辦候選人的候議員大會有沒有違法委員提的還是行政中立的問題\n\n10:18.096 --> 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那我請教一下既然有人關心我相信你們應該有去查了有沒有查有沒有查上次提到的那種情形"},{"start":219.88,"end":247.378,"text":"這如剛剛委員提到就是我們已經兩度發函9月13號跟11月28號按照相關的法律的規範那有沒有去查因為我記得那位委員他有要求要查目前我們沒有收到任何的案子所以沒有查到沒有查到沒有查到那我們來看一下因為我是不會做這種事雖然我被指控但是我們看一下一段影片因為這是公開的影片"},{"start":249.059,"end":274.497,"text":"就是那一位委員主委這是文健站吧他帶著另外一位平地原住民候選人也公開穿著他候選人背心"},{"start":281.219,"end":293.103,"text":"他說我要選立委了我都是到文健站各地去報票這是他說出來的話我們再看下一個都是他質詢前的一個禮拜好"},{"start":309.181,"end":331.504,"text":"我要說的是我們也沒有人特別去在意這件事為什麼因為關懷長者我們也很高興而且真的要去追究他是不是公務人員行政中立法說實在你們也回答不出來也沒有辦法就辦那有沒有違反你們一而再再而三講的規定好 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是可以單列"},{"start":793.23,"end":817.58,"text":"對嘛大家都這麼認為嘛國家語言發展法都出來了承認我們的文字也是文字那麼請教一下內政部齁因為我一直在講過去質詢的時候說原住民身份條例跟姓名條例齁原住民身份法跟姓名條例兩個法應該是沒有辦法脫鉤啦因為是連動我們會被影響所以我想請教一下好最後最後齁"},{"start":818.18,"end":834.027,"text":"那最後這個就是姓名條例第二條我在第三會期就已經提出修法版本我希望用臺灣原住民的傳統姓名得使用羅馬拼音或原住民族文字登記不受前兩項的限制那不曉得內政部怎麼樣今天也有排這個"},{"start":839.063,"end":860.879,"text":"下修法再來談好不好那我就是問一下態度跟委員報告這個行政院他已經決議朝單列羅馬拼音的方式進行但是後續還要進行相關的溝通協調那等行政院整個政策拍板定案之後我就是要這個答案行政院已經同意單列了對不對好感謝謝謝部長謝謝主委謝謝部長謝謝"}]}}}}