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00:02:19,246\n第二十五條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條及第五十八條條文修正草案：\n\n7\n00:02:37,813 --> 00:02:41,456\n三、委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具«勞工退休金條例第十七條之一\n\n8\n00:03:01,594 --> 00:03:21,585\n立法院第10屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會立法院第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立\n\n9\n00:03:30,090 --> 00:03:38,299\n認為不能就是說一下子就講一個數字啦,這個必須大家去做一些討論之後,才能夠...這個我想對我們的\n\n10\n00:03:53,663 --> 00:04:08,658\n提一趴增加的那個僱主的負擔是31.7億一年一個月一個月吧應該是一個月吧你只要提高一趴對僱主的那個\n\n11\n00:04:09,699 --> 00:04:34,173\n我看到你們的回憶碼勞動部是表示說以今年六月底勞退薪至平均提繳工資四萬三千九百二十二元僱主是七百四十點四萬的這個勞工提繳勞退金計算的話如果提高了一個百分點僱主一年薪增加是三百九十億元的法定負擔一個月三十一啦三十一點七一年是三百九十億\n\n12\n00:04:34,733 --> 00:04:35,894\n三、委員三百九十一、委員一千一百七十一、委員一千一百七十一等\n\n13\n00:04:55,967 --> 00:04:57,769\n及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第16次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議\n\n14\n00:05:23,644 --> 00:05:43,833\n而影響的層面也是非常的廣而且繞了一圈最後影響的還是你個人你自己還是會受影響到所以我們稱之為這種叫做包著糖衣毒藥的政策這個東西你一定需要解釋解釋雖然很龐雜可是你還是需要解釋所以我覺得今天如果我們會進行到審查的部分的話我要求勞動部就這些部分數字影響的範圍應該要能夠提出來我覺得大家這樣才能客觀討論\n\n15\n00:05:49,795 --> 00:05:52,156\n第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案．勞工退休金條例第三十四條及第五十八條條文修正草案。\n\n16\n00:06:05,581 --> 00:06:11,504\n第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案\n\n17\n00:06:27,452 --> 00:06:42,819\n既然我們鼓勵這些橋外生尤其是新南向政策當中的學生來到了臺灣就學而且看起來是有成效的現在人數都是達到數千人現在的話我看馬來西亞今年的話有5253人那印尼的話有2675人越南也有到2331人其實是非常非常的高額\n\n18\n00:06:52,383 --> 00:06:54,303\n三、委員劉世芳等16人擬具«勞工退休金條例第十七條之一\n\n19\n00:07:17,708 --> 00:07:24,494\n你這邊有一個工作評點許可名額啊不是嗎大家現在就是在討論這個額度啊因為我們現在這個工作評點許可名額的話是從109年的2500名110年4500名再到111、112年現在是6000名啊那我現在跟你討論的就是這個部分因為我沒有關係我們可以再討論啦也許我的資料齁跟您調的不夠精確那我就希望你給我更好的資料\n\n20\n00:07:44,671 --> 00:07:51,528\n我這邊收到的資料是這樣子就是我們也是問了很多橋外生等一下布朗你可以回答沒有關係就是\n\n21\n00:07:52,911 --> 00:08:16,681\n喬外森其實是來臺就學越來越多越來越多的喬外森也覺得臺灣很好他甚至想留下來工作但在申請工作的過程當中有一個名額的限制那現在的名額現在開放到六千了好可是如果你既然是歡迎他們來的話你何必要有這個限制呢這個名額我先跟你討論就這一點這個謝謝委員齁我先說明一下那個六千的名額齁\n\n22\n00:08:17,361 --> 00:08:22,784\n三、委員劉世芳等16人擬具«勞工退休金條例第二十五條條文修正草案案案案案案﹚立法院第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會\n\n23\n00:08:40,254 --> 00:08:42,356\n三、委員溫玉霞等21人擬具«勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一\n\n24\n00:09:24,642 --> 00:09:27,125\n最後因為佔人家的時間我只要講一個就好了我們喬外森在鼓勵喬外森來的這個網站是有一站式的網站然後是多語式的可是我們這個當喬外森要留下來能夠找工作創業這就屬於勞動部了啦\n\n25\n00:09:40,979 --> 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«勞工退休金條例第十七條之一\n181594\t201585\t立法院第10屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會立法院第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立\n210090\t218299\t認為不能就是說一下子就講一個數字啦,這個必須大家去做一些討論之後,才能夠...這個我想對我們的\n233663\t248658\t提一趴增加的那個僱主的負擔是31.7億一年一個月一個月吧應該是一個月吧你只要提高一趴對僱主的那個\n249699\t274173\t我看到你們的回憶碼勞動部是表示說以今年六月底勞退薪至平均提繳工資四萬三千九百二十二元僱主是七百四十點四萬的這個勞工提繳勞退金計算的話如果提高了一個百分點僱主一年薪增加是三百九十億元的法定負擔一個月三十一啦三十一點七一年是三百九十億\n274733\t275894\t三、委員三百九十一、委員一千一百七十一、委員一千一百七十一等\n295967\t297769\t及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第16次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議\n323644\t343833\t而影響的層面也是非常的廣而且繞了一圈最後影響的還是你個人你自己還是會受影響到所以我們稱之為這種叫做包著糖衣毒藥的政策這個東西你一定需要解釋解釋雖然很龐雜可是你還是需要解釋所以我覺得今天如果我們會進行到審查的部分的話我要求勞動部就這些部分數字影響的範圍應該要能夠提出來我覺得大家這樣才能客觀討論\n349795\t352156\t第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案．勞工退休金條例第三十四條及第五十八條條文修正草案。\n365581\t371504\t第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案\n387452\t402819\t既然我們鼓勵這些橋外生尤其是新南向政策當中的學生來到了臺灣就學而且看起來是有成效的現在人數都是達到數千人現在的話我看馬來西亞今年的話有5253人那印尼的話有2675人越南也有到2331人其實是非常非常的高額\n412383\t414303\t三、委員劉世芳等16人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第十七條之一\n437708\t444494\t你這邊有一個工作評點許可名額啊不是嗎大家現在就是在討論這個額度啊因為我們現在這個工作評點許可名額的話是從109年的2500名110年4500名再到111、112年現在是6000名啊那我現在跟你討論的就是這個部分因為我沒有關係我們可以再討論啦也許我的資料齁跟您調的不夠精確那我就希望你給我更好的資料\n464671\t471528\t我這邊收到的資料是這樣子就是我們也是問了很多橋外生等一下布朗你可以回答沒有關係就是\n472911\t496681\t喬外森其實是來臺就學越來越多越來越多的喬外森也覺得臺灣很好他甚至想留下來工作但在申請工作的過程當中有一個名額的限制那現在的名額現在開放到六千了好可是如果你既然是歡迎他們來的話你何必要有這個限制呢這個名額我先跟你討論就這一點這個謝謝委員齁我先說明一下那個六千的名額齁\n497361\t502784\t三、委員劉世芳等16人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第二十五條條文修正草案案案案案案﹚立法院第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會\n520254\t522356\t三、委員溫玉霞等21人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一\n537449\t564582\t對對對對對對對對對對對\n564642\t567125\t最後因為佔人家的時間我只要講一個就好了我們喬外森在鼓勵喬外森來的這個網站是有一站式的網站然後是多語式的可是我們這個當喬外森要留下來能夠找工作創業這就屬於勞動部了啦\n580979\t604315\t勞工部在網站上並沒有一站式資訊也沒有多語的這個部分那我今天不再佔用時間但是謝謝主席給我時間那我也請勞動部這邊可以對我這邊辦公室提出一個資料的說明那我要求改進在橋外山留用以及創業的這個部分我希望有一站式的資訊管道以及多語言謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席我們請許部長有請部長處委員好來部長好部長我們今天要討論這個勞工退休金條例的這個部分喔那其實大家確實坊間現在有非常多的聲音嘛就是到底怎麼樣可以對個人的退休生活保障最多所以剛剛吳玉琴委員也在在的提到了自提自選這是一個很大的題目就覺得欸我有能力而且我有意願那我能不能夠有更多更好更多元的選擇這是一種嘛\n個人坊間的聲音是一種之後那其實在立法院當中民眾黨的黨團那今年九月也提案他就說要提高直接要提高勞退的雇主強制提撥率從6%現行的6%直接到9%\n民眾黨主席柯文哲卻在政見發表會是說他不會強迫提高而是要提供企業的租稅優惠\n企業租稅優惠。」對,那在這樣的狀況下我是想請教部長啦雖然我有看過你們用新聞稿的方式對這個提議做了一些看法但你會不會在備詢台上你再告訴我們你針對現在有立法院有不同的黨團提出了不同的聲音在這樣的狀況第一個是提高強制提撥率那第二個是\n不見得要用強迫的方式而是用企業稅率優惠的方式那你怎麼看?其實包委我想每一個黨頭每個委員所提案都是站在希望大家都是討論嘛對但是勞動部總是有看法我們是認為目前的階段可能還是比較適宜說我們用鼓勵鼓勵勞僱雙方其實那是最低吧\n第二十五條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條及第五十八條條文修正草案：\n三、委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第十七條之一\n立法院第10屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會立法院第11屆第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立法院立\n認為不能就是說一下子就講一個數字啦,這個必須大家去做一些討論之後,才能夠...這個我想對我們的\n提一趴增加的那個僱主的負擔是31.7億一年一個月一個月吧應該是一個月吧你只要提高一趴對僱主的那個\n我看到你們的回憶碼勞動部是表示說以今年六月底勞退薪至平均提繳工資四萬三千九百二十二元僱主是七百四十點四萬的這個勞工提繳勞退金計算的話如果提高了一個百分點僱主一年薪增加是三百九十億元的法定負擔一個月三十一啦三十一點七一年是三百九十億\n三、委員三百九十一、委員一千一百七十一、委員一千一百七十一等\n及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第16次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議\n而影響的層面也是非常的廣而且繞了一圈最後影響的還是你個人你自己還是會受影響到所以我們稱之為這種叫做包著糖衣毒藥的政策這個東西你一定需要解釋解釋雖然很龐雜可是你還是需要解釋所以我覺得今天如果我們會進行到審查的部分的話我要求勞動部就這些部分數字影響的範圍應該要能夠提出來我覺得大家這樣才能客觀討論\n第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案．勞工退休金條例第三十四條及第五十八條條文修正草案。\n第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第14次全體委員會及第五十八條條文修正草案\n既然我們鼓勵這些橋外生尤其是新南向政策當中的學生來到了臺灣就學而且看起來是有成效的現在人數都是達到數千人現在的話我看馬來西亞今年的話有5253人那印尼的話有2675人越南也有到2331人其實是非常非常的高額\n三、委員劉世芳等16人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第十七條之一\n你這邊有一個工作評點許可名額啊不是嗎大家現在就是在討論這個額度啊因為我們現在這個工作評點許可名額的話是從109年的2500名110年4500名再到111、112年現在是6000名啊那我現在跟你討論的就是這個部分因為我沒有關係我們可以再討論啦也許我的資料齁跟您調的不夠精確那我就希望你給我更好的資料\n我這邊收到的資料是這樣子就是我們也是問了很多橋外生等一下布朗你可以回答沒有關係就是\n喬外森其實是來臺就學越來越多越來越多的喬外森也覺得臺灣很好他甚至想留下來工作但在申請工作的過程當中有一個名額的限制那現在的名額現在開放到六千了好可是如果你既然是歡迎他們來的話你何必要有這個限制呢這個名額我先跟你討論就這一點這個謝謝委員齁我先說明一下那個六千的名額齁\n三、委員劉世芳等16人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第二十五條條文修正草案案案案案案﹚立法院第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會\n三、委員溫玉霞等21人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一\n對對對對對對對對對對對\n最後因為佔人家的時間我只要講一個就好了我們喬外森在鼓勵喬外森來的這個網站是有一站式的網站然後是多語式的可是我們這個當喬外森要留下來能夠找工作創業這就屬於勞動部了啦\n勞工部在網站上並沒有一站式資訊也沒有多語的這個部分那我今天不再佔用時間但是謝謝主席給我時間那我也請勞動部這邊可以對我這邊辦公室提出一個資料的說明那我要求改進在橋外山留用以及創業的這個部分我希望有一站式的資訊管道以及多語言謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.035 --> 00:32.532\n好謝謝主席我們請許部長有請部長處委員好來部長好部長我們今天要討論這個勞工退休金條例的這個部分喔那其實大家確實坊間現在有非常多的聲音嘛就是到底怎麼樣可以對個人的退休生活保障最多所以剛剛吳玉琴委員也在在的提到了自提自選這是一個很大的題目就覺得欸我有能力而且我有意願那我能不能夠有更多更好更多元的選擇這是一種嘛\n\n00:33.993 --> 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