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00:01:28,101\n但是友善的這個移工的一個聘僱流程怎麼樣才可以讓就是勞僱主都達到雙贏的一個狀態這個是我們非常關心的那在這個不久的一個那個遊行裡頭\n\n5\n00:01:29,002 --> 00:01:29,703\n三、委員溫玉霞等21人擬具«勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一\n\n6\n00:01:53,479 --> 00:02:21,504\n全臺灣的就業輔導中心裡頭唯一的服務就是每一週固定的通知你要去簽名不然你就沒有辦法繼續再那個拿到這個聘僱函那所以這個移工團體他走上街了他就是有一個五大的一個訴求他就講說是不是政府跟政府直接的一個聘僱然後就福站的一個酸乙仁眼的一個增加還是職聘中心整合各機關文件\n\n7\n00:02:23,224 --> 00:02:45,242\n甚至他特別強調就是文件流程的一個簡化還有就是韓式法規需要他一個多語言的一個資訊其實這個都是針對的友善移工的一個服務能量不足的一個訴求那我想在這裡請教那個部長就是說針對的這個簡化那個流程還有就是我們\n\n8\n00:02:46,183 --> 00:02:49,369\n三、委員謝衣鳯等21人擬具«勞工退休金條例第十七條之一\n\n9\n00:02:57,335 --> 00:03:22,426\n二、委員其實有些比如說流程簡化或是他們希望提供更多的多元的協助這個其實我們都會來精進但是我也必須說你說其實我們現在的職聘中心其實他是也提供很多多元服務還有這個便捷的申辦程序給使用我們職聘中心的那當然不是每個\n\n10\n00:03:23,629 --> 00:03:25,691\n三、委員劉世芳等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第十七條之一\n\n11\n00:03:51,918 --> 00:04:05,750\n全國目前就是一個因為他就是一個行政協助啦因為基本上現在我們的僱主他聘僱移工他本來就是多元他可以委託仲介他也可以來執聘是多元化的嘛那是不是就是針對他們講的\n\n12\n00:04:07,091 --> 00:04:08,012\n三、委員吳美芬等21人擬具«勞工退休金條例第十七條之一\n\n13\n00:04:24,310 --> 00:04:28,052\n三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條之一\n\n14\n00:04:41,700 --> 00:05:04,759\n但是有不足的部分我們都會盡量來把那我在針對的製造業的一個僱主的一個聘僱的制度的一個檢查我特別就是說把這個制度的一個討論拉出來那現在全台的移工有大概接近75萬了甚至還是更超過了到目前到目前是有多少人\n\n15\n00:05:07,193 --> 00:05:10,894\n三、委員吳美芬等21人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一\n\n16\n00:05:38,821 --> 00:05:45,748\n四連的移工裡頭,當然我們知道葉蘭吉佔了最多。我就要請教部長,你們特別講到製造業僱主聘僱的制度,如果他的移工跑掉了,\n\n17\n00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:16,527\n立法院第10屆第11會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第11會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14會期社會福利及衛生環\n\n18\n00:06:20,828 --> 00:06:34,513\n而跟委員報告齁因為當初這個因為涉及救衛服務法的修法齁那原來是六個月那後來就是因為基於這個缺口下我們縮短三個月這個會持續檢討啦齁但是就是說這個三個月的空中期其實我們還是在協助還是在協助\n\n19\n00:06:36,454 --> 00:06:38,216\n第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條之一\n\n20\n00:07:00,595 --> 00:07:13,325\n三、委員劉世芳等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文\n\n21\n00:07:25,934 --> 00:07:52,970\n就像剛才部長你特別提到了就是說其實我們每個月就是已經雇主自己提撥6%了然後我們自己本身勞工也提撥了6%那我們其實政府的美意非常好我們希望就是說勞工在他的一個老年的一個退休裡頭是得到了一個很好的一個保障可是相對的就是說我們看到了很多很多的一個資料裡頭\n\n22\n00:07:53,971 --> 00:07:55,351\n二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案案\n\n23\n00:08:15,559 --> 00:08:41,719\n謝謝委員我們持續努力我們也會持續精進那你手上有多少的這樣子的一個就是在這個市場的一個分析分析人員這樣的一個配置我們人員相當有限那我們國內外都有配置相關的研究人員同時因為我們人員有限我們也希望藉助國內還有國外的很好的資產管理公司來提供協助\n\n24\n00:08:42,697 --> 00:09:04,629\n所以你們還是有這個是在後端喔我現在是講說前端前端就是說你們怎麼樣去慎選就是說那個委託我們的這個投資公司來幫我們就是操盤我想知道這個怎樣的一個程序你怎麼有辦法這樣省準的就是說可以給勞工4%以上的一個收益呢\n\n25\n00:09:08,379 --> 00:09:32,955\n有關國內外的受託機構的評選我們有一定的程序然後我們也會借重國內的專家學者來參加我們的評選那投資的政策部分我們一直秉持就是穩健的原則來進行那我們希望可以讓勞工有比較中長期的穩健收益所以我們也不會說只看短我們會看整個趨勢這樣\n\n26\n00:09:34,056 --> 00:09:49,425\n好,看整個趨勢,部長在這裡我再請教就是說當然你一定有信心就是幫勞工爭取到超過4%的一個獲利啦那有沒有更好的誘因可以讓更多的勞工願意自體呢?有機會嗎?其實這個自體風險是很高的\n\n27\n00:09:53,223 --> 00:10:22,325\n目前自體風險沒有風險自體因為沒有自選因為沒有自體嘛對不對沒有自選對只有自選現在是鼓勵自體對但是還是齁我們就是基金用局統一投資收益啦所以現在的自選完全沒有風險是一定是保證收益是齁所以這個部分所以一定保證嘛就是賠錢還是政府來那個照顧你對我們現在透過各種管道啦齁包括我們現在也進到大學因為讓學生畢業以後大家都要工作\n\n28\n00:10:22,705 --> 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«勞工退休金條例第十七條之一\n177335\t202426\t二、委員其實有些比如說流程簡化或是他們希望提供更多的多元的協助這個其實我們都會來精進但是我也必須說你說其實我們現在的職聘中心其實他是也提供很多多元服務還有這個便捷的申辦程序給使用我們職聘中心的那當然不是每個\n203629\t205691\t三、委員劉世芳等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第十七條之一\n231918\t245750\t全國目前就是一個因為他就是一個行政協助啦因為基本上現在我們的僱主他聘僱移工他本來就是多元他可以委託仲介他也可以來執聘是多元化的嘛那是不是就是針對他們講的\n247091\t248012\t三、委員吳美芬等21人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第十七條之一\n264310\t268052\t三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條之一\n281700\t304759\t但是有不足的部分我們都會盡量來把那我在針對的製造業的一個僱主的一個聘僱的制度的一個檢查我特別就是說把這個制度的一個討論拉出來那現在全台的移工有大概接近75萬了甚至還是更超過了到目前到目前是有多少人\n307193\t310894\t三、委員吳美芬等21人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一\n338821\t345748\t四連的移工裡頭,當然我們知道葉蘭吉佔了最多。我就要請教部長,你們特別講到製造業僱主聘僱的制度,如果他的移工跑掉了,\n357720\t376527\t立法院第10屆第11會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第11會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14會期社會福利及衛生環\n380828\t394513\t而跟委員報告齁因為當初這個因為涉及救衛服務法的修法齁那原來是六個月那後來就是因為基於這個缺口下我們縮短三個月這個會持續檢討啦齁但是就是說這個三個月的空中期其實我們還是在協助還是在協助\n396454\t398216\t第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條之一\n420595\t433325\t三、委員劉世芳等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文\n445934\t472970\t就像剛才部長你特別提到了就是說其實我們每個月就是已經雇主自己提撥6%了然後我們自己本身勞工也提撥了6%那我們其實政府的美意非常好我們希望就是說勞工在他的一個老年的一個退休裡頭是得到了一個很好的一個保障可是相對的就是說我們看到了很多很多的一個資料裡頭\n473971\t475351\t二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案 案\n495559\t521719\t謝謝委員我們持續努力我們也會持續精進那你手上有多少的這樣子的一個就是在這個市場的一個分析分析人員這樣的一個配置我們人員相當有限那我們國內外都有配置相關的研究人員同時因為我們人員有限我們也希望藉助國內還有國外的很好的資產管理公司來提供協助\n522697\t544629\t所以你們還是有這個是在後端喔我現在是講說前端前端就是說你們怎麼樣去慎選就是說那個委託我們的這個投資公司來幫我們就是操盤我想知道這個怎樣的一個程序你怎麼有辦法這樣省準的就是說可以給勞工4%以上的一個收益呢\n548379\t572955\t有關國內外的受託機構的評選我們有一定的程序然後我們也會借重國內的專家學者來參加我們的評選那投資的政策部分我們一直秉持就是穩健的原則來進行那我們希望可以讓勞工有比較中長期的穩健收益所以我們也不會說只看短我們會看整個趨勢這樣\n574056\t589425\t好,看整個趨勢,部長在這裡我再請教就是說當然你一定有信心就是幫勞工爭取到超過4%的一個獲利啦那有沒有更好的誘因可以讓更多的勞工願意自體呢?有機會嗎?其實這個自體風險是很高的\n593223\t622325\t目前自體風險沒有風險自體因為沒有自選因為沒有自體嘛對不對沒有自選對只有自選現在是鼓勵自體對但是還是齁我們就是基金用局統一投資收益啦所以現在的自選完全沒有風險是一定是保證收益是齁所以這個部分所以一定保證嘛就是賠錢還是政府來那個照顧你對我們現在透過各種管道啦齁包括我們現在也進到大學因為讓學生畢業以後大家都要工作\n622705\t626706\t二、委員劉世芳等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條之一\n640931\t665396\t我們會用各種的方式去把這個自體的好處來讓他們了解。其實部長憑良心講,如果我個人的話,我還是贊成現階段所有的一個政策。如果是我個人的話,我可以選擇的話,我當然是可以選擇我自己,我還是贊成現有的一個自體自選,還是希望就是向你們的政策。\n666325\t666465\t自體由勞動部來投資\n","txt":"好謝謝主席那有請勞動部那個許部長還有我們蔡署長勞動部發展署還有我們的基金應用局那個蘇局長有請行政單位跟部長謝謝今天我們在審查勞工退休金的條例這一個議題之前想就移工的一個政策的部分等一下\n三條及第五十八條條文修正草案。」案。\n來臨不只臺灣缺工其實在我們鄰近的國家全世界都面臨到相同的一個問題那我們相信就是勞動部對缺工的議題我們已經檢討了很多次了包括開放農業的那個移工還是那個理數業的一個移工甚至就是在上個月就是我們印度的NOU的一個簽署的一個狀況那我們知道那個是一個假信息\n但是友善的這個移工的一個聘僱流程怎麼樣才可以讓就是勞僱主都達到雙贏的一個狀態這個是我們非常關心的那在這個不久的一個那個遊行裡頭\n三、委員溫玉霞等21人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一\n全臺灣的就業輔導中心裡頭唯一的服務就是每一週固定的通知你要去簽名不然你就沒有辦法繼續再那個拿到這個聘僱函那所以這個移工團體他走上街了他就是有一個五大的一個訴求他就講說是不是政府跟政府直接的一個聘僱然後就福站的一個酸乙仁眼的一個增加還是職聘中心整合各機關文件\n甚至他特別強調就是文件流程的一個簡化還有就是韓式法規需要他一個多語言的一個資訊其實這個都是針對的友善移工的一個服務能量不足的一個訴求那我想在這裡請教那個部長就是說針對的這個簡化那個流程還有就是我們\n三、委員謝衣鳯等21人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第十七條之一\n二、委員其實有些比如說流程簡化或是他們希望提供更多的多元的協助這個其實我們都會來精進但是我也必須說你說其實我們現在的職聘中心其實他是也提供很多多元服務還有這個便捷的申辦程序給使用我們職聘中心的那當然不是每個\n三、委員劉世芳等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第十七條之一\n全國目前就是一個因為他就是一個行政協助啦因為基本上現在我們的僱主他聘僱移工他本來就是多元他可以委託仲介他也可以來執聘是多元化的嘛那是不是就是針對他們講的\n三、委員吳美芬等21人擬具 «勞工退休金條例第十七條之一\n三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條之一\n但是有不足的部分我們都會盡量來把那我在針對的製造業的一個僱主的一個聘僱的制度的一個檢查我特別就是說把這個制度的一個討論拉出來那現在全台的移工有大概接近75萬了甚至還是更超過了到目前到目前是有多少人\n三、委員吳美芬等21人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一\n四連的移工裡頭,當然我們知道葉蘭吉佔了最多。我就要請教部長,你們特別講到製造業僱主聘僱的制度,如果他的移工跑掉了,\n立法院第10屆第11會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第11會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14會期社會福利及衛生環\n而跟委員報告齁因為當初這個因為涉及救衛服務法的修法齁那原來是六個月那後來就是因為基於這個缺口下我們縮短三個月這個會持續檢討啦齁但是就是說這個三個月的空中期其實我們還是在協助還是在協助\n第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條之一\n三、委員劉世芳等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條條文\n就像剛才部長你特別提到了就是說其實我們每個月就是已經雇主自己提撥6%了然後我們自己本身勞工也提撥了6%那我們其實政府的美意非常好我們希望就是說勞工在他的一個老年的一個退休裡頭是得到了一個很好的一個保障可是相對的就是說我們看到了很多很多的一個資料裡頭\n二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案 案\n謝謝委員我們持續努力我們也會持續精進那你手上有多少的這樣子的一個就是在這個市場的一個分析分析人員這樣的一個配置我們人員相當有限那我們國內外都有配置相關的研究人員同時因為我們人員有限我們也希望藉助國內還有國外的很好的資產管理公司來提供協助\n所以你們還是有這個是在後端喔我現在是講說前端前端就是說你們怎麼樣去慎選就是說那個委託我們的這個投資公司來幫我們就是操盤我想知道這個怎樣的一個程序你怎麼有辦法這樣省準的就是說可以給勞工4%以上的一個收益呢\n有關國內外的受託機構的評選我們有一定的程序然後我們也會借重國內的專家學者來參加我們的評選那投資的政策部分我們一直秉持就是穩健的原則來進行那我們希望可以讓勞工有比較中長期的穩健收益所以我們也不會說只看短我們會看整個趨勢這樣\n好,看整個趨勢,部長在這裡我再請教就是說當然你一定有信心就是幫勞工爭取到超過4%的一個獲利啦那有沒有更好的誘因可以讓更多的勞工願意自體呢?有機會嗎?其實這個自體風險是很高的\n目前自體風險沒有風險自體因為沒有自選因為沒有自體嘛對不對沒有自選對只有自選現在是鼓勵自體對但是還是齁我們就是基金用局統一投資收益啦所以現在的自選完全沒有風險是一定是保證收益是齁所以這個部分所以一定保證嘛就是賠錢還是政府來那個照顧你對我們現在透過各種管道啦齁包括我們現在也進到大學因為讓學生畢業以後大家都要工作\n二、委員劉世芳等16人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條之一\n我們會用各種的方式去把這個自體的好處來讓他們了解。其實部長憑良心講,如果我個人的話,我還是贊成現階段所有的一個政策。如果是我個人的話,我可以選擇的話,我當然是可以選擇我自己,我還是贊成現有的一個自體自選,還是希望就是向你們的政策。\n自體由勞動部來投資\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.976 --> 00:28.173\n好謝謝主席那有請勞動部那個許部長還有我們蔡署長勞動部發展署還有我們的基金應用局那個蘇局長有請行政單位跟部長謝謝今天我們在審查勞工退休金的條例這一個議題之前想就移工的一個政策的部分等一下\n\n00:33.052 --> 00:35.054\n三條及第五十八條條文修正草案。」案。\n\n00:48.631 --> 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