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00:03:02,439\n對,所以公文報告因為目前我們在整個的過去以往我們在開放的過程當中第一個就是說跟南韓國之間要先有一個合作的意向這個是第一步因為根據媒體的報導可能開放的這個行業啦其實也就是我們常見缺工的行業就是像農業啦製造業還有營造業那由於說這些行業的這些外籍的勞工呢大部分都是居住在\n\n8\n00:03:03,521 --> 00:03:04,003\n長驅以外的社區。」\n\n9\n00:03:12,734 --> 00:03:32,916\n我們目前在整個印度的移工開放第一個就是說從他的來源跟他勞工素質尤其就是說一些不能影響我們治安這個部分我們會特別注意那在國內目前在整個移工管理上其實都會有一些相關的規範這個目前我們大概都會在後續的一個工作會議當中都會做一些相關的規劃\n\n10\n00:03:34,342 --> 00:04:01,692\n所以聽起來好像就是對於他們大部分要居住在長區以外的這些社區在住的方面你們還沒有很具體的一個規劃跟準備?其實大部分就我們的了解以目前國內的運用其實大部分其實雇主都會做一些妥善的安排所以這個部分就是交給雇主去處理目前他會做一些規劃那要依照我們的規定來辦理\n\n11\n00:04:02,671 --> 00:04:17,205\n所以你們只是規定,然後規劃留給這個僱主他們自己去處理?我們後續其實也會協助。因為我今天其實你不用緊張,我只是提出一些提醒。\n\n12\n00:04:18,687 --> 00:04:23,191\n第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第10屆第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會\n\n13\n00:04:40,549 --> 00:04:43,112\n甚至階級都嚴格差異的國家。文字與語言對國內而言是比較陌生的國度。在發展署你們有沒有儲備這方面的人才?\n\n14\n00:04:58,125 --> 00:05:26,184\n跟委員報告因為目前因為印度確實非常大他的語言真的非常那英文只是其中之一啦齁那目前如果以目前外交部給我們的建議其實後續大概會有一些來源地區會有一些選擇齁那尤其語言這個部分你會優先考量那至於說如果其他語言像印度語這部分也跟委員報告這個我們現在也後續必須要做一些相關的跟學校跟一些相關的一些翻譯的一個資源來做一些合作\n\n15\n00:05:27,926 --> 00:05:51,741\n當然每個人第一個想到的會是語言那可能就是翻譯的部分那我想再提醒就是說因為可能在宗教還有生活語言習慣上的這個不同那也不是我們非常熟悉或者其他這個來源國很熟悉的這個地方那所以就是說有關於這個輔導心理諮商\n\n16\n00:05:54,062 --> 00:05:54,983\n第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案案案\n\n17\n00:06:14,876 --> 00:06:42,426\n那是不是也要接受一定時數的職前教育訓練那特別是這個職業安全衛生的教育訓練我不知道你們有沒有已經跟這個職安署協調討論相關的教育訓練課程對跟委員其實現在我們跟職安署其實在移工不管是來台前或來台後其實職安會這個部分會列入一個重點那未來印度移工也會納入整體來做一些工作所以不會只是看護工需要而已都需要整理過嗎\n\n18\n00:06:43,220 --> 00:06:44,242\n第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案案。\n\n19\n00:06:56,791 --> 00:07:16,291\n我接下來想就是再提醒一下這個勞保局就是你們投保對象的這個姓名藍衛是不是有適用印度籍的這個勞工因為字源的長度會不會太短以至於說無法登錄聽說這個最長的曾經已經長到有600多字\n\n20\n00:07:16,972 --> 00:07:27,785\n所以一般而言在這個印度的這個制度下有一些人的姓名真的很長那如果我們事先就沒有做好這個準備跟因應到時候會被造成這個電腦資料庫當機\n\n21\n00:07:32,194 --> 00:07:50,216\n非常謝謝委員提醒那日後如果說相關移工的引進我們特別來留意因為還有聽說有的還要再爭取或者他們還有需要到一千字的所以這個部分本席也在這邊做一個提醒那因為我今天提出的這些問題\n\n22\n00:07:52,098 --> 00:08:08,976\n只提醒勞動部及各所屬機關必須好好規劃及準備既然行政院已合併與印度簽署勞務合作協定的內容預定在年底前完成簽署\n\n23\n00:08:09,617 --> 00:08:22,328\n第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文\n\n24\n00:08:35,640 --> 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案\n374876\t402426\t那是不是也要接受一定時數的職前教育訓練那特別是這個職業安全衛生的教育訓練我不知道你們有沒有已經跟這個職安署協調討論相關的教育訓練課程對跟委員其實現在我們跟職安署其實在移工不管是來台前或來台後其實職安會這個部分會列入一個重點那未來印度移工也會納入整體來做一些工作所以不會只是看護工需要而已都需要整理過嗎\n403220\t404242\t第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案案。\n416791\t436291\t我接下來想就是再提醒一下這個勞保局就是你們投保對象的這個姓名藍衛是不是有適用印度籍的這個勞工因為字源的長度會不會太短以至於說無法登錄聽說這個最長的曾經已經長到有600多字\n436972\t447785\t所以一般而言在這個印度的這個制度下有一些人的姓名真的很長那如果我們事先就沒有做好這個準備跟因應到時候會被造成這個電腦資料庫當機\n452194\t470216\t非常謝謝委員提醒那日後如果說相關移工的引進我們特別來留意因為還有聽說有的還要再爭取或者他們還有需要到一千字的所以這個部分本席也在這邊做一個提醒那因為我今天提出的這些問題\n472098\t488976\t只提醒勞動部及各所屬機關必須好好規劃及準備既然行政院已合併與印度簽署勞務合作協定的內容預定在年底前完成簽署\n489617\t502328\t第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文\n515640\t524265\t三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第10屆第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第16屆第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第16屆第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第16屆第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第16屆第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第16屆第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第16屆第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會\n","txt":"二、委員謝主席麻煩請這個發展署蔡署長,又請署長。好,委員好。署長好。據悉我國即將與這個印度簽署MOU引進的這個印度籍勞工。那本席並不反對這樣的政策,不過要透過今天的質詢跟勞動部做一些提醒。\n首先我想請教一下印度籍勞工跟目前已經引進的東南亞國家的勞工在生活的習慣上還有管理上會不會有很大的差異?\n跟委員報告因為印度其實在目前很多國家都有引進那東南亞大概目前據我們所知像新加坡他就有很多那其實印度大概基本上大部分跟一般的其他國家移工當然會有一些語言的問題跟這個宗教習慣的問題那各個國家其實對於這個移工他在本身的一些生活適應的條例都必須要做好一些準備那這基本上在我們在整個評估的過程當中都會去想加注意\n因為剛剛你提到語言畢竟他們光是這個方言就447種那這個官方承認就22種所以是相當在這個語言上是非常的多元化那將來這些這個印度籍的勞工主要我另外再請教就是說他們未來主要是補充什麼樣的這個產業缺工的問題你可能要講大聲一點對準麥克風\n跟委員報告在目前印度未來在哪些產業有這些需求其實目前我們在後續在工作小組會議當中跟各部會其實會做一些討論在缺口在哪裡所以你們現在是還不知道現在基本上到底未來在哪些開放行業需要由印度的移工來補充這個還要做一些討論那基本上我們在目前第一階段只是就來源國的這個部分做一個評估\n其中一人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一\n對,所以公文報告因為目前我們在整個的過去以往我們在開放的過程當中第一個就是說跟南韓國之間要先有一個合作的意向這個是第一步因為根據媒體的報導可能開放的這個行業啦其實也就是我們常見缺工的行業就是像農業啦製造業還有營造業那由於說這些行業的這些外籍的勞工呢大部分都是居住在\n長驅以外的社區。」\n我們目前在整個印度的移工開放第一個就是說從他的來源跟他勞工素質尤其就是說一些不能影響我們治安這個部分我們會特別注意那在國內目前在整個移工管理上其實都會有一些相關的規範這個目前我們大概都會在後續的一個工作會議當中都會做一些相關的規劃\n所以聽起來好像就是對於他們大部分要居住在長區以外的這些社區在住的方面你們還沒有很具體的一個規劃跟準備?其實大部分就我們的了解以目前國內的運用其實大部分其實雇主都會做一些妥善的安排所以這個部分就是交給雇主去處理目前他會做一些規劃那要依照我們的規定來辦理\n所以你們只是規定,然後規劃留給這個僱主他們自己去處理?我們後續其實也會協助。因為我今天其實你不用緊張,我只是提出一些提醒。\n第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第10屆第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會\n甚至階級都嚴格差異的國家。文字與語言對國內而言是比較陌生的國度。在發展署你們有沒有儲備這方面的人才?\n跟委員報告因為目前因為印度確實非常大他的語言真的非常那英文只是其中之一啦齁那目前如果以目前外交部給我們的建議其實後續大概會有一些來源地區會有一些選擇齁那尤其語言這個部分你會優先考量那至於說如果其他語言像印度語這部分也跟委員報告這個我們現在也後續必須要做一些相關的跟學校跟一些相關的一些翻譯的一個資源來做一些合作\n當然每個人第一個想到的會是語言那可能就是翻譯的部分那我想再提醒就是說因為可能在宗教還有生活語言習慣上的這個不同那也不是我們非常熟悉或者其他這個來源國很熟悉的這個地方那所以就是說有關於這個輔導心理諮商\n第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案案 案\n那是不是也要接受一定時數的職前教育訓練那特別是這個職業安全衛生的教育訓練我不知道你們有沒有已經跟這個職安署協調討論相關的教育訓練課程對跟委員其實現在我們跟職安署其實在移工不管是來台前或來台後其實職安會這個部分會列入一個重點那未來印度移工也會納入整體來做一些工作所以不會只是看護工需要而已都需要整理過嗎\n第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案案。\n我接下來想就是再提醒一下這個勞保局就是你們投保對象的這個姓名藍衛是不是有適用印度籍的這個勞工因為字源的長度會不會太短以至於說無法登錄聽說這個最長的曾經已經長到有600多字\n所以一般而言在這個印度的這個制度下有一些人的姓名真的很長那如果我們事先就沒有做好這個準備跟因應到時候會被造成這個電腦資料庫當機\n非常謝謝委員提醒那日後如果說相關移工的引進我們特別來留意因為還有聽說有的還要再爭取或者他們還有需要到一千字的所以這個部分本席也在這邊做一個提醒那因為我今天提出的這些問題\n只提醒勞動部及各所屬機關必須好好規劃及準備既然行政院已合併與印度簽署勞務合作協定的內容預定在年底前完成簽署\n第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文\n三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第10屆第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第16屆第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第16屆第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第16屆第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第16屆第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第16屆第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第16屆第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:16.230 --> 00:43.762\n二、委員謝主席麻煩請這個發展署蔡署長,又請署長。好,委員好。署長好。據悉我國即將與這個印度簽署MOU引進的這個印度籍勞工。那本席並不反對這樣的政策,不過要透過今天的質詢跟勞動部做一些提醒。\n\n00:45.630 --> 00:56.861\n首先我想請教一下印度籍勞工跟目前已經引進的東南亞國家的勞工在生活的習慣上還有管理上會不會有很大的差異?\n\n00:58.650 --> 01:26.464\n跟委員報告因為印度其實在目前很多國家都有引進那東南亞大概目前據我們所知像新加坡他就有很多那其實印度大概基本上大部分跟一般的其他國家移工當然會有一些語言的問題跟這個宗教習慣的問題那各個國家其實對於這個移工他在本身的一些生活適應的條例都必須要做好一些準備那這基本上在我們在整個評估的過程當中都會去想加注意\n\n01:27.520 --> 01:53.210\n因為剛剛你提到語言畢竟他們光是這個方言就447種那這個官方承認就22種所以是相當在這個語言上是非常的多元化那將來這些這個印度籍的勞工主要我另外再請教就是說他們未來主要是補充什麼樣的這個產業缺工的問題你可能要講大聲一點對準麥克風\n\n01:56.191 --> 02:23.018\n跟委員報告在目前印度未來在哪些產業有這些需求其實目前我們在後續在工作小組會議當中跟各部會其實會做一些討論在缺口在哪裡所以你們現在是還不知道現在基本上到底未來在哪些開放行業需要由印度的移工來補充這個還要做一些討論那基本上我們在目前第一階段只是就來源國的這個部分做一個評估\n\n02:23.578 --> 02:24.358\n其中一人擬具:「勞工退休金條例第二十五條之一\n\n02:34.321 --> 03:02.439\n對,所以公文報告因為目前我們在整個的過去以往我們在開放的過程當中第一個就是說跟南韓國之間要先有一個合作的意向這個是第一步因為根據媒體的報導可能開放的這個行業啦其實也就是我們常見缺工的行業就是像農業啦製造業還有營造業那由於說這些行業的這些外籍的勞工呢大部分都是居住在\n\n03:03.521 --> 03:04.003\n長驅以外的社區。」\n\n03:12.734 --> 03:32.916\n我們目前在整個印度的移工開放第一個就是說從他的來源跟他勞工素質尤其就是說一些不能影響我們治安這個部分我們會特別注意那在國內目前在整個移工管理上其實都會有一些相關的規範這個目前我們大概都會在後續的一個工作會議當中都會做一些相關的規劃\n\n03:34.342 --> 04:01.692\n所以聽起來好像就是對於他們大部分要居住在長區以外的這些社區在住的方面你們還沒有很具體的一個規劃跟準備?其實大部分就我們的了解以目前國內的運用其實大部分其實雇主都會做一些妥善的安排所以這個部分就是交給雇主去處理目前他會做一些規劃那要依照我們的規定來辦理\n\n04:02.671 --> 04:17.205\n所以你們只是規定,然後規劃留給這個僱主他們自己去處理?我們後續其實也會協助。因為我今天其實你不用緊張,我只是提出一些提醒。\n\n04:18.687 --> 04:23.191\n第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第10屆第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會\n\n04:40.549 --> 04:43.112\n甚至階級都嚴格差異的國家。文字與語言對國內而言是比較陌生的國度。在發展署你們有沒有儲備這方面的人才?\n\n04:58.125 --> 05:26.184\n跟委員報告因為目前因為印度確實非常大他的語言真的非常那英文只是其中之一啦齁那目前如果以目前外交部給我們的建議其實後續大概會有一些來源地區會有一些選擇齁那尤其語言這個部分你會優先考量那至於說如果其他語言像印度語這部分也跟委員報告這個我們現在也後續必須要做一些相關的跟學校跟一些相關的一些翻譯的一個資源來做一些合作\n\n05:27.926 --> 05:51.741\n當然每個人第一個想到的會是語言那可能就是翻譯的部分那我想再提醒就是說因為可能在宗教還有生活語言習慣上的這個不同那也不是我們非常熟悉或者其他這個來源國很熟悉的這個地方那所以就是說有關於這個輔導心理諮商\n\n05:54.062 --> 05:54.983\n第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案案案\n\n06:14.876 --> 06:42.426\n那是不是也要接受一定時數的職前教育訓練那特別是這個職業安全衛生的教育訓練我不知道你們有沒有已經跟這個職安署協調討論相關的教育訓練課程對跟委員其實現在我們跟職安署其實在移工不管是來台前或來台後其實職安會這個部分會列入一個重點那未來印度移工也會納入整體來做一些工作所以不會只是看護工需要而已都需要整理過嗎\n\n06:43.220 --> 06:44.242\n第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案案。\n\n06:56.791 --> 07:16.291\n我接下來想就是再提醒一下這個勞保局就是你們投保對象的這個姓名藍衛是不是有適用印度籍的這個勞工因為字源的長度會不會太短以至於說無法登錄聽說這個最長的曾經已經長到有600多字\n\n07:16.972 --> 07:27.785\n所以一般而言在這個印度的這個制度下有一些人的姓名真的很長那如果我們事先就沒有做好這個準備跟因應到時候會被造成這個電腦資料庫當機\n\n07:32.194 --> 07:50.216\n非常謝謝委員提醒那日後如果說相關移工的引進我們特別來留意因為還有聽說有的還要再爭取或者他們還有需要到一千字的所以這個部分本席也在這邊做一個提醒那因為我今天提出的這些問題\n\n07:52.098 --> 08:08.976\n只提醒勞動部及各所屬機關必須好好規劃及準備既然行政院已合併與印度簽署勞務合作協定的內容預定在年底前完成簽署\n\n08:09.617 --> 08:22.328\n第二十三條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文修正草案：立法院第十八條及第五十八條條文\n\n08:35.640 --> 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