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\"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:01,069 --> 00:00:03,170\n剛剛落幕的聯合國第28COP28\n\n2\n00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:39,321\n首度將健康納入討論議程根據世界衛生組織估計由於氣候變遷導致空汙、高溫以及疾病的傳播加劇每年有1.9億人的生命健康安全受到衝擊呼籲各國來加速加強醫療體系的\n\n3\n00:00:42,864 --> 00:01:00,795\n應對資源資源就是說投入經費本次大會有124個國家簽署氣候與健康宣言政府還有開放銀行、慈善機構等等共同承諾投資投入10億美金來對抗氣候變遷帶來的健康危機\n\n4\n00:01:03,817 --> 00:01:16,169\n其中,全球基金提供3億美元,路克斐勒基金也打算投入1億美元。還有,主辦國阿拉伯聯合大公國和數家慈善機構預計投入7.7億美元,用於因升溫惡化的熱帶疾病。\n\n5\n00:01:26,940 --> 00:01:45,377\n大公國內比較熱嘛所以他要投入這個升溫惡化帶來的熱帶疾病那我們回頭來檢視我們國內這幾年來台灣高溫report記錄隨之而來的熱傷害還有高溫疾病越來越多第一線醫師反映啊\n\n6\n00:01:46,591 --> 00:02:13,446\n氣候變遷導致疾病傳染途徑增加在原本是以前南部盛行的登革熱這個已逐漸到全臺地區而且出現了兩萬個這個病例有史以來最多的病例那臺灣民眾也深受空氣污染威脅我們必須強化公衛體系的資源所以首先請教環境部長\n\n7\n00:02:16,949 --> 00:02:24,764\n在這個明年開增碳費對不對那開增碳費使用在哪方面哪些面向上\n\n8\n00:02:26,008 --> 00:02:49,336\n氣候變遷因應法裏面有如列13項啦我非常支持剛剛張偉英影片裏面有提到事實上利用碳費也來支持整個健康方法的有嗎?我們的有嗎?國內的有支持健康公共衛生體系嗎?呃相關的一個有沒有?對啊這些開增碳費之後有沒有?\n\n9\n00:02:52,180 --> 00:03:08,567\n調適方面的用途是可以但是我們再來仔細研究一下我個人覺得只要碳費其中可以用在跟健康相關的或者利用環境部其他的基金事實上是可以目前沒有對不對\n\n10\n00:03:10,302 --> 00:03:29,088\n公委員報告目前是用於溫室氣體減量還有氣候變遷調適所以沒有公共衛生嘛醫療公共衛生這個碳費沒有放在那邊如果沒有就跟行政院爭取啊就是沒有嘛對不對我們來爭取看看未來有沒有可能把它納入\n\n11\n00:03:29,699 --> 00:03:48,786\n所以就是要爭取因為我覺得我們跟國際離得很遠並沒有把健康這個綠色健康醫療放進去所以碳費沒有放在醫療公共衛生上面所以請跟行政院爭取然後我再提醒本次大會\n\n12\n00:03:51,155 --> 00:04:08,120\n氣候與健康宣言這本次的大會那這個我提醒那另外一個我關心的面向就是醫療產業減碳的議題我們在去年3月公布的臺灣2050年淨零碳排路徑以及策略的總說明\n\n13\n00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:27,309\n中央社會福利及衛生福利部長、外交部、經濟部、金融監督管理委員會及財政部、金融監督管理委員會及財政部、金融監督管理委員會及財政部、金融監督管理委員會及財政部、金融監督管理委員會及財政部、金融監督管理委員會及財政部、金融監督管理委員\n\n14\n00:04:30,510 --> 00:04:56,605\n今天只有我請衛福部出席對不對只有我邀請你上來所以我要問衛福部那衛福部薛部長有提到說對於淨零碳排更直言說上一次我們問他的時候他說非操之在我的因素太多了你說綠色醫療你衛福部的角色說非操之在我的這個因素太多那站在醫療的綠色醫療關口上衛福部明年度值編列多少你知道嗎2000萬以內1965萬\n\n15\n00:04:59,346 --> 00:05:27,364\n所以這個六五萬的預算辦理什麼減碳教育所以在醫療還沒減碳轉型之前竟然好像代替了教育部在教育做減碳教育你是教育部在做減碳教育轉型所以請問次長在辦理減碳教育後你把一千九百六十萬在辦減碳教育在教育之後\n\n16\n00:05:29,205 --> 00:05:56,077\n醫療產業在近鄰路上能夠得到什麼的協助呢?公委員報告一下齁這裡面的教育其實應該是包含所謂的教育輔導教育什麼?教育以及輔導對啦,就是代替教育部的事情在教育嘛你並沒有爭取來做公共衛生的防治啊也不只是這樣綠色公共衛生也不只是這樣齁我們對於說醫院的時候他應該要怎麼做才對這裡面的檢探教育怎麼做對,這對檢探推廣觀念\n\n17\n00:05:58,418 --> 00:06:26,946\n對他第一個觀念要改變那這樣子他第一個就是第一個他成本降低嘛那第二個的話那他本身的對這個裡面的檢探的確是環境是有貢獻的那第一個就是說這裡面的輔導要讓他知道那尤其是他醫院裡面他哪些地方是他可以著手的那這裡面是基本上是有做一些的盤點的事項那經由我們請人然後到醫院裡面進行這輔導的時候那這方面是可以做一些事情的那當然部長所提到的有很多的地方不見得\n\n18\n00:06:27,546 --> 00:06:55,689\n以下就能夠做得到的地方那當然是包含我們的上下游採購整個涉及到社會產業的這部分層面的部分那這部分的話需要我們另外在後面後續在跨部會的對另外再需要其他不管還當然也包含跨部會那逐步的往這方面來推動所以我建議衛福部你知道在2030前子呢我們我們有多少預算嗎在在進行攤牌的預算9000億啊所以衛福部應該要去爭取啊做綠色醫療啊\n\n19\n00:06:57,150 --> 00:07:14,940\n對沒有錯那這部分的確是要讓不能不能像部長說的說這個不可非可操之的因素太多不能這樣講應該是我們要主動involve進去啊是循序漸進嘛我們能做的我們趕快先做我們不能做的那跨部會我們一起來看看是怎麼樣逐步的來推動\n\n20\n00:07:16,161 --> 00:07:32,319\n市長我提醒你為什麼因為醫療減碳方式太多了舉個例子我曾舉例子說噴一罐氣喘的噴劑呢這個碳排量大概等於汽車跑300公里做改成粉狀粉狀的話馬上降到4公里\n\n21\n00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:56,742\n馬上這個汽車跑四公里的這個排放量就夠所以呢這個醫療跟藥物的減量其實是非常是大有可為所以我們該花很多時間我們要來重視這個所以這個衛福部環保部呢都是在政策面向要給予醫療院所足夠的誘因誘因就是說告訴他們這樣做能夠帶來大家好\n\n22\n00:07:57,603 --> 00:08:26,035\n對不對要自主管理說對不對一方面讓他知道那一方面如果這部分可以的話那盡量提供他有營往這方面來走那請問你將來這個醫院如何進行探排查探盤查我們會委託或委託相關的團體然後逐漸進去來協助他來做這方面的盤查那這個我知道你有提到這個近鄰探排的指引了對不對但是沒有講到那個時間那個期程吧要多久內\n\n23\n00:08:27,035 --> 00:08:51,500\n我們先了解了之後再做排程因為這剛開始現在要再進行的時候先了解這樣排這個排程比較務實有沒有預計大概多久內有多島家醫院要達到探排查因為呢要不要從醫學中心開始啊等等我們先輔導10家然後看看他裡面的情形10家大概是先從醫學中心開始嘛對不對對從比較大的這個醫院開始所以呢表示我們衛福部\n\n24\n00:08:56,061 --> 00:09:16,964\n有注意到齁那這個COP28在12月落幕嘛對不對12日落幕本次會議六大宣言中健康議題就佔了兩項氣候與健康宣言我講議題啦齁還有氣候健康資金象徵著健康在氣候變化討論中從過去的配角\n\n25\n00:09:17,805 --> 00:09:36,375\n要身為氣候行動的核心所以期許我們的政府可以從綠色醫療和極端氣候下的健康威脅兩個面向來著手建立對氣候變遷具有高度韌性的醫療衛生系統醫療韌性是什麼呢就因應對策\n\n26\n00:09:40,837 --> 00:09:53,249\n要建立高度的醫療韌性的對策來建立醫療衛生系統在為我們國內的今後創造更大的生活福祉這樣兩位部長、部長、次長對嗎?對!謝謝!請關心綠色醫療!謝謝!\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1069\t3170\t剛剛落幕的聯合國第28 COP28\n19000\t39321\t首度將健康納入討論議程根據世界衛生組織估計由於氣候變遷導致空汙、高溫以及疾病的傳播加劇每年有1.9億人的生命健康安全受到衝擊呼籲各國來加速加強醫療體系的\n42864\t60795\t應對資源 資源就是說投入經費本次大會有124個國家簽署氣候與健康宣言政府還有開放銀行、慈善機構等等共同承諾投資投入10億美金來對抗氣候變遷帶來的健康危機\n63817\t76169\t其中,全球基金提供3億美元,路克斐勒基金也打算投入1億美元。還有,主辦國阿拉伯聯合大公國和數家慈善機構預計投入7.7億美元,用於因升溫惡化的熱帶疾病。\n86940\t105377\t大公國內比較熱嘛所以他要投入這個升溫惡化帶來的熱帶疾病那我們回頭來檢視我們國內這幾年來台灣高溫report記錄隨之而來的熱傷害還有高溫疾病越來越多第一線醫師反映啊\n106591\t133446\t氣候變遷導致疾病傳染途徑增加在原本是以前南部盛行的登革熱這個已逐漸到全臺地區而且出現了兩萬個這個病例有史以來最多的病例那臺灣民眾也深受空氣污染威脅我們必須強化公衛體系的資源所以首先請教環境部長\n136949\t144764\t在這個明年開增碳費對不對那開增碳費使用在哪方面哪些面向上\n146008\t169336\t氣候變遷因應法裏面有如列13項啦我非常支持剛剛張偉英影片裏面有提到事實上利用碳費也來支持整個健康方法的有嗎?我們的有嗎?國內的有支持健康公共衛生體系嗎?呃相關的一個有沒有?對啊這些開增碳費之後有沒有?\n172180\t188567\t調適方面的用途是可以但是我們再來仔細研究一下我個人覺得只要碳費其中可以用在跟健康相關的或者利用環境部其他的基金事實上是可以目前沒有對不對\n190302\t209088\t公委員報告目前是用於溫室氣體減量還有氣候變遷調適所以沒有公共衛生嘛醫療公共衛生這個碳費沒有放在那邊如果沒有就跟行政院爭取啊就是沒有嘛對不對我們來爭取看看未來有沒有可能把它納入\n209699\t228786\t所以就是要爭取因為我覺得我們跟國際離得很遠並沒有把健康這個綠色健康醫療放進去所以碳費沒有放在醫療公共衛生上面所以請跟行政院爭取然後我再提醒本次大會\n231155\t248120\t氣候與健康宣言這本次的大會那這個我提醒那另外一個我關心的面向就是醫療產業減碳的議題我們在去年3月公布的臺灣2050年淨零碳排路徑以及策略的總說明\n249800\t267309\t中央社會福利及衛生福利部長、外交部、經濟部、金融監督管理委員會及財政部、金融監督管理委員會及財政部、金融監督管理委員會及財政部、金融監督管理委員會及財政部、金融監督管理委員會及財政部、金融監督管理委員會及財政部、金融監督管理委員\n270510\t296605\t今天只有我請衛福部出席對不對只有我邀請你上來所以我要問衛福部那衛福部薛部長有提到說對於淨零碳排更直言說上一次我們問他的時候他說非操之在我的因素太多了你說綠色醫療你衛福部的角色說非操之在我的這個因素太多那站在醫療的綠色醫療關口上衛福部明年度值編列多少你知道嗎2000萬以內1965萬\n299346\t327364\t所以這個六五萬的預算辦理什麼減碳教育所以在醫療還沒減碳轉型之前竟然好像代替了教育部在教育做減碳教育你是教育部在做減碳教育轉型所以請問次長在辦理減碳教育後你把一千九百六十萬在辦減碳教育在教育之後\n329205\t356077\t醫療產業在近鄰路上能夠得到什麼的協助呢?公委員報告一下齁這裡面的教育其實應該是包含所謂的教育輔導教育什麼?教育以及輔導對啦,就是代替教育部的事情在教育嘛你並沒有爭取來做公共衛生的防治啊也不只是這樣綠色公共衛生也不只是這樣齁我們對於說醫院的時候他應該要怎麼做才對這裡面的檢探教育怎麼做對,這對檢探推廣觀念\n358418\t386946\t對他第一個觀念要改變那這樣子他第一個就是第一個他成本降低嘛那第二個的話那他本身的對這個裡面的檢探的確是環境是有貢獻的那第一個就是說這裡面的輔導要讓他知道那尤其是他醫院裡面他哪些地方是他可以著手的那這裡面是基本上是有做一些的盤點的事項那經由我們請人然後到醫院裡面進行這輔導的時候那這方面是可以做一些事情的那當然部長所提到的有很多的地方不見得\n387546\t415689\t以下就能夠做得到的地方那當然是包含我們的上下游採購整個涉及到社會產業的這部分層面的部分那這部分的話需要我們另外在後面後續在 跨部會的對另外再需要其他不管還當然也包含跨部會那逐步的往這方面來推動所以我建議衛福部你知道在2030前子呢我們我們有多少預算嗎在在進行攤牌的預算9000億啊所以衛福部應該要去爭取啊做綠色醫療啊\n417150\t434940\t對沒有錯那這部分的確是要讓不能不能像部長說的說這個不可非可操之的因素太多不能這樣講應該是我們要主動involve進去啊是循序漸進嘛我們能做的我們趕快先做我們不能做的那跨部會我們一起來看看是怎麼樣逐步的來推動\n436161\t452319\t市長我提醒你為什麼因為醫療減碳方式太多了舉個例子我曾舉例子說噴一罐氣喘的噴劑呢這個碳排量大概等於汽車跑300公里做改成粉狀粉狀的話馬上降到4公里\n453400\t476742\t馬上這個汽車跑四公里的這個排放量就夠所以呢這個醫療跟藥物的減量其實是非常是大有可為所以我們該花很多時間我們要來重視這個所以這個衛福部環保部呢都是在政策面向要給予醫療院所足夠的誘因誘因就是說告訴他們這樣做能夠帶來大家好\n477603\t506035\t對不對要自主管理說對不對一方面讓他知道那一方面如果這部分可以的話那盡量提供他有營往這方面來走那請問你將來這個醫院如何進行探排查探盤查我們會委託或委託相關的團體然後逐漸進去來協助他來做這方面的盤查那這個我知道你有提到這個近鄰探排的指引了對不對但是沒有講到那個時間那個期程吧要多久內\n507035\t531500\t我們先了解了之後再做排程因為這剛開始現在要再進行的時候先了解這樣排這個排程比較務實有沒有預計大概多久內有多島家醫院要達到探排查因為呢要不要從醫學中心開始啊等等我們先輔導10家然後看看他裡面的情形10家大概是先從醫學中心開始嘛對不對對從比較大的這個醫院開始所以呢表示我們衛福部\n536061\t556964\t有注意到齁那這個COP28在12月落幕嘛對不對12日落幕本次會議六大宣言中健康議題就佔了兩項氣候與健康宣言我講議題啦齁還有氣候健康資金象徵著健康在氣候變化討論中從過去的配角\n557805\t576375\t要身為氣候行動的核心所以期許我們的政府可以從綠色醫療和極端氣候下的健康威脅兩個面向來著手建立對氣候變遷具有高度韌性的醫療衛生系統醫療韌性是什麼呢就因應對策\n580837\t593249\t要建立高度的醫療韌性的對策來建立醫療衛生系統在為我們國內的今後創造更大的生活福祉這樣兩位部長、部長、次長對嗎?對!謝謝!請關心綠色醫療!謝謝!\n","txt":"剛剛落幕的聯合國第28 COP28\n首度將健康納入討論議程根據世界衛生組織估計由於氣候變遷導致空汙、高溫以及疾病的傳播加劇每年有1.9億人的生命健康安全受到衝擊呼籲各國來加速加強醫療體系的\n應對資源 資源就是說投入經費本次大會有124個國家簽署氣候與健康宣言政府還有開放銀行、慈善機構等等共同承諾投資投入10億美金來對抗氣候變遷帶來的健康危機\n其中,全球基金提供3億美元,路克斐勒基金也打算投入1億美元。還有,主辦國阿拉伯聯合大公國和數家慈善機構預計投入7.7億美元,用於因升溫惡化的熱帶疾病。\n大公國內比較熱嘛所以他要投入這個升溫惡化帶來的熱帶疾病那我們回頭來檢視我們國內這幾年來台灣高溫report記錄隨之而來的熱傷害還有高溫疾病越來越多第一線醫師反映啊\n氣候變遷導致疾病傳染途徑增加在原本是以前南部盛行的登革熱這個已逐漸到全臺地區而且出現了兩萬個這個病例有史以來最多的病例那臺灣民眾也深受空氣污染威脅我們必須強化公衛體系的資源所以首先請教環境部長\n在這個明年開增碳費對不對那開增碳費使用在哪方面哪些面向上\n氣候變遷因應法裏面有如列13項啦我非常支持剛剛張偉英影片裏面有提到事實上利用碳費也來支持整個健康方法的有嗎?我們的有嗎?國內的有支持健康公共衛生體系嗎?呃相關的一個有沒有?對啊這些開增碳費之後有沒有?\n調適方面的用途是可以但是我們再來仔細研究一下我個人覺得只要碳費其中可以用在跟健康相關的或者利用環境部其他的基金事實上是可以目前沒有對不對\n公委員報告目前是用於溫室氣體減量還有氣候變遷調適所以沒有公共衛生嘛醫療公共衛生這個碳費沒有放在那邊如果沒有就跟行政院爭取啊就是沒有嘛對不對我們來爭取看看未來有沒有可能把它納入\n所以就是要爭取因為我覺得我們跟國際離得很遠並沒有把健康這個綠色健康醫療放進去所以碳費沒有放在醫療公共衛生上面所以請跟行政院爭取然後我再提醒本次大會\n氣候與健康宣言這本次的大會那這個我提醒那另外一個我關心的面向就是醫療產業減碳的議題我們在去年3月公布的臺灣2050年淨零碳排路徑以及策略的總說明\n中央社會福利及衛生福利部長、外交部、經濟部、金融監督管理委員會及財政部、金融監督管理委員會及財政部、金融監督管理委員會及財政部、金融監督管理委員會及財政部、金融監督管理委員會及財政部、金融監督管理委員會及財政部、金融監督管理委員\n今天只有我請衛福部出席對不對只有我邀請你上來所以我要問衛福部那衛福部薛部長有提到說對於淨零碳排更直言說上一次我們問他的時候他說非操之在我的因素太多了你說綠色醫療你衛福部的角色說非操之在我的這個因素太多那站在醫療的綠色醫療關口上衛福部明年度值編列多少你知道嗎2000萬以內1965萬\n所以這個六五萬的預算辦理什麼減碳教育所以在醫療還沒減碳轉型之前竟然好像代替了教育部在教育做減碳教育你是教育部在做減碳教育轉型所以請問次長在辦理減碳教育後你把一千九百六十萬在辦減碳教育在教育之後\n醫療產業在近鄰路上能夠得到什麼的協助呢?公委員報告一下齁這裡面的教育其實應該是包含所謂的教育輔導教育什麼?教育以及輔導對啦,就是代替教育部的事情在教育嘛你並沒有爭取來做公共衛生的防治啊也不只是這樣綠色公共衛生也不只是這樣齁我們對於說醫院的時候他應該要怎麼做才對這裡面的檢探教育怎麼做對,這對檢探推廣觀念\n對他第一個觀念要改變那這樣子他第一個就是第一個他成本降低嘛那第二個的話那他本身的對這個裡面的檢探的確是環境是有貢獻的那第一個就是說這裡面的輔導要讓他知道那尤其是他醫院裡面他哪些地方是他可以著手的那這裡面是基本上是有做一些的盤點的事項那經由我們請人然後到醫院裡面進行這輔導的時候那這方面是可以做一些事情的那當然部長所提到的有很多的地方不見得\n以下就能夠做得到的地方那當然是包含我們的上下游採購整個涉及到社會產業的這部分層面的部分那這部分的話需要我們另外在後面後續在 跨部會的對另外再需要其他不管還當然也包含跨部會那逐步的往這方面來推動所以我建議衛福部你知道在2030前子呢我們我們有多少預算嗎在在進行攤牌的預算9000億啊所以衛福部應該要去爭取啊做綠色醫療啊\n對沒有錯那這部分的確是要讓不能不能像部長說的說這個不可非可操之的因素太多不能這樣講應該是我們要主動involve進去啊是循序漸進嘛我們能做的我們趕快先做我們不能做的那跨部會我們一起來看看是怎麼樣逐步的來推動\n市長我提醒你為什麼因為醫療減碳方式太多了舉個例子我曾舉例子說噴一罐氣喘的噴劑呢這個碳排量大概等於汽車跑300公里做改成粉狀粉狀的話馬上降到4公里\n馬上這個汽車跑四公里的這個排放量就夠所以呢這個醫療跟藥物的減量其實是非常是大有可為所以我們該花很多時間我們要來重視這個所以這個衛福部環保部呢都是在政策面向要給予醫療院所足夠的誘因誘因就是說告訴他們這樣做能夠帶來大家好\n對不對要自主管理說對不對一方面讓他知道那一方面如果這部分可以的話那盡量提供他有營往這方面來走那請問你將來這個醫院如何進行探排查探盤查我們會委託或委託相關的團體然後逐漸進去來協助他來做這方面的盤查那這個我知道你有提到這個近鄰探排的指引了對不對但是沒有講到那個時間那個期程吧要多久內\n我們先了解了之後再做排程因為這剛開始現在要再進行的時候先了解這樣排這個排程比較務實有沒有預計大概多久內有多島家醫院要達到探排查因為呢要不要從醫學中心開始啊等等我們先輔導10家然後看看他裡面的情形10家大概是先從醫學中心開始嘛對不對對從比較大的這個醫院開始所以呢表示我們衛福部\n有注意到齁那這個COP28在12月落幕嘛對不對12日落幕本次會議六大宣言中健康議題就佔了兩項氣候與健康宣言我講議題啦齁還有氣候健康資金象徵著健康在氣候變化討論中從過去的配角\n要身為氣候行動的核心所以期許我們的政府可以從綠色醫療和極端氣候下的健康威脅兩個面向來著手建立對氣候變遷具有高度韌性的醫療衛生系統醫療韌性是什麼呢就因應對策\n要建立高度的醫療韌性的對策來建立醫療衛生系統在為我們國內的今後創造更大的生活福祉這樣兩位部長、部長、次長對嗎?對!謝謝!請關心綠色醫療!謝謝!\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.069 --> 00:03.170\n剛剛落幕的聯合國第28COP28\n\n00:19.000 --> 00:39.321\n首度將健康納入討論議程根據世界衛生組織估計由於氣候變遷導致空汙、高溫以及疾病的傳播加劇每年有1.9億人的生命健康安全受到衝擊呼籲各國來加速加強醫療體系的\n\n00:42.864 --> 01:00.795\n應對資源資源就是說投入經費本次大會有124個國家簽署氣候與健康宣言政府還有開放銀行、慈善機構等等共同承諾投資投入10億美金來對抗氣候變遷帶來的健康危機\n\n01:03.817 --> 01:16.169\n其中,全球基金提供3億美元,路克斐勒基金也打算投入1億美元。還有,主辦國阿拉伯聯合大公國和數家慈善機構預計投入7.7億美元,用於因升溫惡化的熱帶疾病。\n\n01:26.940 --> 01:45.377\n大公國內比較熱嘛所以他要投入這個升溫惡化帶來的熱帶疾病那我們回頭來檢視我們國內這幾年來台灣高溫report記錄隨之而來的熱傷害還有高溫疾病越來越多第一線醫師反映啊\n\n01:46.591 --> 02:13.446\n氣候變遷導致疾病傳染途徑增加在原本是以前南部盛行的登革熱這個已逐漸到全臺地區而且出現了兩萬個這個病例有史以來最多的病例那臺灣民眾也深受空氣污染威脅我們必須強化公衛體系的資源所以首先請教環境部長\n\n02:16.949 --> 02:24.764\n在這個明年開增碳費對不對那開增碳費使用在哪方面哪些面向上\n\n02:26.008 --> 02:49.336\n氣候變遷因應法裏面有如列13項啦我非常支持剛剛張偉英影片裏面有提到事實上利用碳費也來支持整個健康方法的有嗎?我們的有嗎?國內的有支持健康公共衛生體系嗎?呃相關的一個有沒有?對啊這些開增碳費之後有沒有?\n\n02:52.180 --> 03:08.567\n調適方面的用途是可以但是我們再來仔細研究一下我個人覺得只要碳費其中可以用在跟健康相關的或者利用環境部其他的基金事實上是可以目前沒有對不對\n\n03:10.302 --> 03:29.088\n公委員報告目前是用於溫室氣體減量還有氣候變遷調適所以沒有公共衛生嘛醫療公共衛生這個碳費沒有放在那邊如果沒有就跟行政院爭取啊就是沒有嘛對不對我們來爭取看看未來有沒有可能把它納入\n\n03:29.699 --> 03:48.786\n所以就是要爭取因為我覺得我們跟國際離得很遠並沒有把健康這個綠色健康醫療放進去所以碳費沒有放在醫療公共衛生上面所以請跟行政院爭取然後我再提醒本次大會\n\n03:51.155 --> 04:08.120\n氣候與健康宣言這本次的大會那這個我提醒那另外一個我關心的面向就是醫療產業減碳的議題我們在去年3月公布的臺灣2050年淨零碳排路徑以及策略的總說明\n\n04:09.800 --> 04:27.309\n中央社會福利及衛生福利部長、外交部、經濟部、金融監督管理委員會及財政部、金融監督管理委員會及財政部、金融監督管理委員會及財政部、金融監督管理委員會及財政部、金融監督管理委員會及財政部、金融監督管理委員會及財政部、金融監督管理委員\n\n04:30.510 --> 04:56.605\n今天只有我請衛福部出席對不對只有我邀請你上來所以我要問衛福部那衛福部薛部長有提到說對於淨零碳排更直言說上一次我們問他的時候他說非操之在我的因素太多了你說綠色醫療你衛福部的角色說非操之在我的這個因素太多那站在醫療的綠色醫療關口上衛福部明年度值編列多少你知道嗎2000萬以內1965萬\n\n04:59.346 --> 05:27.364\n所以這個六五萬的預算辦理什麼減碳教育所以在醫療還沒減碳轉型之前竟然好像代替了教育部在教育做減碳教育你是教育部在做減碳教育轉型所以請問次長在辦理減碳教育後你把一千九百六十萬在辦減碳教育在教育之後\n\n05:29.205 --> 05:56.077\n醫療產業在近鄰路上能夠得到什麼的協助呢?公委員報告一下齁這裡面的教育其實應該是包含所謂的教育輔導教育什麼?教育以及輔導對啦,就是代替教育部的事情在教育嘛你並沒有爭取來做公共衛生的防治啊也不只是這樣綠色公共衛生也不只是這樣齁我們對於說醫院的時候他應該要怎麼做才對這裡面的檢探教育怎麼做對,這對檢探推廣觀念\n\n05:58.418 --> 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