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要開董事會。"],["薛部長瑞元：它們即將要召開董事會來決定是否同意及什麼時候要公開。"],["吳委員玉琴：所以這個部分我們還是要尊重高端這邊，因為我們畢竟也是一個雙方的合約。"],["陳院長建仁：對。"],["吳委員玉琴：我們不能強迫它一定要公開，但是我們看到國內的情勢，當然如果能公開，我們一起讓這個訊息能夠公開透明，讓高端也不要每次都變成大家的箭靶。"],["陳院長建仁：對，政府的立場也是主張可以公開，我們就儘量跟高端協商，然後希望它能夠公開，我們很高興看到它願意召開董事會來做決定。"],["吳委員玉琴：以一個上市公司來講，它們開董事會大概要花多長時間？以他們的預期？"],["陳院長建仁：我印象中是董事會召開前一個禮拜要通知、要說明，然後它們來開董事會。那像這件事情的話，我們很高興看到高端願意這樣來做了。"],["吳委員玉琴：它們已經要進行了。","院長，最後一點時間，因為最近疫情好像又再起，快要春節了，又要選舉，很多人來來往往的，是不是請院長這邊再宣導一次要趕快鼓勵大家再打疫苗？"],["陳院長建仁：對，我想這個很重要，所以謝謝委員，你一向很關心國人的健康。這個XBB的COVID-19疫苗對於最近在中國大陸的JN.1病毒株是有效果的，所以我也在這裡鼓勵所有民眾都一定要再來接種一次COVID-19 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00:01:39,142\n今天又重啟我覺得也好讓我們執政團隊可以針對高端的議題來好好說清楚所以今天有這個機會也來跟院長再請教一下現在這個疫苗的採購本來就涉及很多的商業的機密\n\n6\n00:01:40,123 --> 00:01:40,863\n吳玉琴議員吳玉琴議員吳玉琴議員\n\n7\n00:02:03,492 --> 00:02:32,038\n依照在野黨的要求完全不遮蔽那也不把個別的這個這個機密的資訊遮蔽的話會有什麼問題部長回答如果說沒有遮蔽的話那就沒有辦法避免洩露出去那這個洩露出去的話那會影響到以後我們在做採購疫苗的時候那對於這些國外的廠商對我們的信任度\n\n8\n00:02:32,598 --> 00:03:00,145\n那可能我們就會買不到疫苗買不到藥品這是一個合約的規定裡面這個保密的原則如果不遵守那接下來沒有人跟我們做生意了沒有人會賣疫苗給我們那當時我們在這個所謂的採購疫苗調閱專案小組上面其實也有相關的規定就是我們在調閱資料的時候我們其實是委員本身進去看資料也要負有保密的一個責任的但是當時其實\n\n9\n00:03:01,585 --> 00:03:03,366\n這位委員還是法律人出身\n\n10\n00:03:20,915 --> 00:03:21,115\n吳玉琴議員\n\n11\n00:03:42,085 --> 00:03:42,385\n吳玉琴議員\n\n12\n00:04:08,212 --> 00:04:11,513\n其他的呢?其他的應該有的都比高端還長\n\n13\n00:04:36,283 --> 00:05:03,148\nAZ5年NOVAVAX7年然後這個VNT10年然後莫德納是不公開委員在這裡我跟你補充說明一下我剛才講說是發射衛星的警報我再更正一下因為他講到發射我剛才看得很快所以我要更正一下但是剛才講的這個疫苗保存的期限確實是每一個公司他的要求都不一樣像莫德納他就是不公開\n\n14\n00:05:04,249 --> 00:05:19,559\n所以我們今天一直在談說要針對高端的這個保密要公開那我覺得如果這件事針對BNT好了或是針對我們的AZ說我們要求他公開你覺得對這些國際廠他為什麼態度看台灣\n\n15\n00:05:25,605 --> 00:05:48,556\n對,包括說鴻海也不敢去公開BNT的合約因為就沒有誠信嘛對,因為你看我們好不容易購買到像BNT這麼好的一個疫苗進來我們都不希望打破或打壞這個所謂國際的這個合約嘛所以沒有,現在我覺得在野黨沒有人在問說那為什麼不公開其他的疫苗\n\n16\n00:05:49,436 --> 00:05:49,957\n太明顯的選擇性了啦\n\n17\n00:06:12,312 --> 00:06:14,452\n有的人是文字是不太懂封存跟封\n\n18\n00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:37,941\n我們這些合約真的都不能公開嗎?\n\n19\n00:06:50,556 --> 00:07:07,504\n時間到了就可以啊原則上時間到了就可以今天早上院長的報告裡面其實也談到監察院還有審計部其實都看過合約了因為那是公務上的需要跟司法上如果法院需要的話也是可以看的嘛\n\n20\n00:07:08,934 --> 00:07:34,599\n對不過在這邊也跟委員報告一下那今天下午的時候那個高端已經宣正式對外做聲明他會召開董事會來決定是否要公開是所以他們最近會召開那個董事會來決議說要不要公開嗎要不然提早公開啦因為我們有多次跟他聯繫那他今天也對外公布這樣子\n\n21\n00:07:35,772 --> 00:07:54,167\n所以表示國人希望及早知道但是我想也是要我們公司這邊我想這樣子雙方都有一個彼此的尊重就是合約裡面最重要的也顯示了我們中華民國政府對於合約的誠信對於未來我們要採購任何的藥物\n\n22\n00:07:54,767 --> 00:08:21,740\n疫苗等等或者甚至簽其他的商業企業的合約的時候呢那人家才會相信說中華民國政府是一個值得跟我們有交易的有很好的簽企業的對象也確實如果我們政府不講信用沒有人敢跟我們再做這個合約或契約的一個買賣那我想也不是要幫高端講就是說其實疫苗是一個非常專業的一個\n\n23\n00:08:23,401 --> 00:08:23,662\n吳玉琴\n\n24\n00:08:48,238 --> 00:09:03,428\n即使身為一個臺灣人也很焦慮的是說每次在選舉到了一次再一次的這個在野黨在操作這個疫苗或是操作這樣的仇恨我覺得那我們國內的國產的所謂的這個產業誰敢再讓我們國家賠錢\n\n25\n00:09:09,011 --> 00:09:13,135\n其實臺灣人的本性是慈悲善良還有謙讓然後也願意照顧弱勢像口罩的時候我們不是說我OK你先請\n\n26\n00:09:35,854 --> 00:09:52,592\n但是我們會發現在這個疫苗這件事情上的時候就變成了不斷的抹黑不斷的照說明了假錯假的訊息以至於民眾對於疫苗的這個副作用被誇大而不願意打疫苗\n\n27\n00:09:52,952 --> 00:10:08,122\n那像這樣的一個不正確的信息的傳播實際上是阻止了讓台灣的老人家不願意打疫苗一個很重要的原因我們的調查就說要有副作用還有人說打疫苗使得比感染的人多\n\n28\n00:10:08,502 --> 00:10:33,829\n那這些錯假消息到處漫步的時候呢實際上就使得這些老人家不願意去接受疫苗所以台灣的疫苗老人家的疫苗接種率只有7成多日本、韓國跟新加坡都到9成5以上當然我們這個到後來Omicron來的時候這些人就不幸會死亡這是讓我們很痛心的事情所以齁我完全贊成你的就是說完全要講科學的證據然後呢它的效果在哪裡\n\n29\n00:10:34,349 --> 00:10:45,482\n那不要製造分裂不要製造這個假消息那更不要製造仇恨那利用仇恨為了政治目的來製造仇恨我覺得這很不可取\n\n30\n00:10:46,617 --> 00:10:47,658\n高端的長病毒疫苗市佔率多少?\n\n31\n00:11:10,900 --> 00:11:24,334\n目前長病毒71的疫苗台灣有兩支一支是安特羅一支是高端總共已經封建檢驗的大概是23萬高端佔22萬3千\n\n32\n00:11:27,465 --> 00:11:44,854\n所以大概在9成左右的市佔率對是已經9成多了所以這很專業嘛能不能研發出一個長病毒的疫苗所以剛才那個委員講說他就只有靠COVID-19疫苗他那個是自費的而且價格也不低\n\n33\n00:11:46,635 --> 00:12:02,836\n高端有它研發的能力它自己也研發了長病毒的疫苗我覺得這個就是我們要培植的國產的一個公司疫苗因為疫苗是戰略物資啊如果當真的有狀況的時候台灣自己要有自己的疫苗\n\n34\n00:12:03,297 --> 00:12:04,077\n吳玉琴議員吳玉琴議員\n\n35\n00:12:23,453 --> 00:12:51,968\n確實這是當時我們在決定COVID-19的疫苗要國際採購以及國內發展的時候就公開徵求國內所有的生醫產是這疫苗製造者能夠進來所以有國光有聯亞還有高端有四家但是有一家後來安特羅他不願意進來所以有三家所以政府是全面的來照顧臺灣的生醫產業鼓勵他們好好做研發成為世界一流的疫苗廠\n\n36\n00:12:52,967 --> 00:12:54,108\n做到這麼好的疫苗很好喔美國4千億\n\n37\n00:13:14,450 --> 00:13:42,472\n所以我覺得我們投入的並沒有很多但是國內的廠商真的這個算是厲害啦有自己的研發的能力而且產出很好的一個疫苗能夠我想接下來全世界應該會對於我們的疫苗是很認同的那當然我們看到那個賴副總統也提到說我們高端的合約要這個公布那我剛剛也再請部長再說一次就是高端下午的公布是說\n\n38\n00:13:43,812 --> 00:14:11,225\n他們即將要召開董事會來決定是否同意跟什麼時候要公開所以這個部分我們還是要尊重高端這邊因為我們畢竟也是雙方的一個合約我們不能強迫說他一定要公開但是我們看到國內的情勢當然如果能公開我們一起讓這個訊息能夠公開透明讓高端也不要每次都變成大家的箭靶\n\n39\n00:14:12,346 --> 00:14:13,286\n以一個上市公司來講他們開這個董事會大概要花多長的時間與他們一起\n\n40\n00:14:34,392 --> 00:14:49,197\n我印象中是說董事會召開前的一個禮拜要通知要說明然後他們來開董事會那像這一件事情的話我們很高興看到高端願意這樣來做了\n\n41\n00:14:50,037 --> 00:15:05,492\n院長最後一點時間因為最近疫情好像又再起所以整個又快要春節了又要選舉所以很多人來來往往的我們是不是要請院長這邊再宣導一次就是要趕快鼓勵大家再打疫苗\n\n42\n00:15:06,703 --> 00:15:07,224\n謝謝謝謝院長辛苦了\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4849\t23660\t謝謝游院長我請陳院長還有衛務部薛部長薛部長請陳院長辛苦了好我也很好不好意思因為剛才我接到一個簡訊說中國發射這個飛彈\n27935\t32830\t是 我剛剛也看到這個警訊了對所以中共對我們的威脅是一直在的確實 確實時時都在\n36203\t61599\t院長我想今天在總統大選的前4天召開這樣的臨時會其實是相當罕見的那我想今天又針對高端的議題又再重啟我想很多的不許的一個訊息其實希望藉這一次的這個臨時會也能夠跟國人做的一個清楚的說明事實上從第10屆我們在這個衛黃委員會或是在院會的這個報告裡面\n63280\t81987\t院長已經做3次報告了我們在胃環委員會調閱小組就開了6次我幾乎常我們都一直在胃環嘛那這個胃環裡面的專報或是這個公聽會也開了12次所以其實疫苗的事情我們在第3會期第4會期其實非常密集的討論\n83187\t99142\t今天又重啟我覺得也好讓我們執政團隊可以針對高端的議題來好好說清楚所以今天有這個機會也來跟院長再請教一下現在這個疫苗的採購本來就涉及很多的商業的機密\n100123\t100863\t吳玉琴議員吳玉琴議員吳玉琴議員\n123492\t152038\t依照在野黨的要求完全不遮蔽那也不把個別的這個這個機密的資訊遮蔽的話會有什麼問題部長回答如果說沒有遮蔽的話那就沒有辦法避免洩露出去那這個洩露出去的話那會影響到以後我們在做採購疫苗的時候那對於這些國外的廠商對我們的信任度\n152598\t180145\t那可能我們就會買不到疫苗買不到藥品這是一個合約的規定裡面這個保密的原則如果不遵守那接下來沒有人跟我們做生意了沒有人會賣疫苗給我們那當時我們在這個所謂的採購疫苗調閱專案小組上面其實也有相關的規定就是我們在調閱資料的時候我們其實是委員本身進去看資料也要負有保密的一個責任的但是當時其實\n181585\t183366\t這位委員還是法律人出身\n200915\t201115\t吳玉琴議員\n222085\t222385\t吳玉琴議員\n248212\t251513\t其他的呢?其他的應該有的都比高端還長\n276283\t303148\tAZ5年 NOVAVAX7年然後這個VNT10年然後莫德納是不公開委員在這裡我跟你補充說明一下我剛才講說是發射衛星的警報我再更正一下因為他講到發射我剛才看得很快所以我要更正一下但是剛才講的這個疫苗保存的期限確實是每一個公司他的要求都不一樣像莫德納他就是不公開\n304249\t319559\t所以我們今天一直在談說要針對高端的這個保密要公開那我覺得如果這件事針對BNT好了或是針對我們的AZ說我們要求他公開你覺得對這些國際廠他為什麼態度看台灣\n325605\t348556\t對,包括說鴻海也不敢去公開BNT的合約因為就沒有誠信嘛對,因為你看我們好不容易購買到像BNT這麼好的一個疫苗進來我們都不希望打破或打壞這個所謂國際的這個合約嘛所以沒有,現在我覺得在野黨沒有人在問說那為什麼不公開其他的疫苗\n349436\t349957\t太明顯的選擇性了啦\n372312\t374452\t有的人是文字是不太懂封存跟封\n396720\t397941\t我們這些合約真的都不能公開嗎?\n410556\t427504\t時間到了就可以啊原則上時間到了就可以今天早上院長的報告裡面其實也談到監察院還有審計部其實都看過合約了因為那是公務上的需要跟司法上如果法院需要的話也是可以看的嘛\n428934\t454599\t對不過在這邊也跟委員報告一下那今天下午的時候那個高端已經宣 正式對外做聲明他會召開董事會來決定是否要公開是 所以他們最近會召開那個董事會來決議說要不要公開嗎要不然提早公開啦因為我們有多次跟他聯繫那他今天也對外公布這樣子\n455772\t474167\t所以表示國人希望及早知道但是我想也是要我們公司這邊我想這樣子雙方都有一個彼此的尊重就是合約裡面最重要的也顯示了我們中華民國政府對於合約的誠信對於未來我們要採購任何的藥物\n474767\t501740\t疫苗等等或者甚至簽其他的商業企業的合約的時候呢那人家才會相信說中華民國政府是一個值得跟我們有交易的有很好的簽企業的對象也確實如果我們政府不講信用沒有人敢跟我們再做這個合約或契約的一個買賣那我想也不是要幫高端講就是說其實疫苗是一個非常專業的一個\n503401\t503662\t吳玉琴\n528238\t543428\t即使身為一個臺灣人也很焦慮的是說每次在選舉到了一次再一次的這個在野黨在操作這個疫苗或是操作這樣的仇恨我覺得那我們國內的國產的所謂的這個產業誰敢再讓我們國家賠錢\n549011\t553135\t其實臺灣人的本性是慈悲善良還有謙讓然後也願意照顧弱勢像口罩的時候我們不是說我OK你先請\n575854\t592592\t但是我們會發現在這個疫苗這件事情上的時候就變成了不斷的抹黑不斷的照說明了假 錯假的訊息以至於民眾對於疫苗的這個副作用被誇大而不願意打疫苗\n592952\t608122\t那像這樣的一個不正確的信息的傳播實際上是阻止了讓台灣的老人家不願意打疫苗一個很重要的原因我們的調查就說要有副作用還有人說打疫苗使得比感染的人多\n608502\t633829\t那這些錯假消息到處漫步的時候呢實際上就使得這些老人家不願意去接受疫苗所以台灣的疫苗老人家的疫苗接種率只有7成多日本、韓國跟新加坡都到9成5以上當然我們這個到後來Omicron來的時候這些人就不幸會死亡這是讓我們很痛心的事情所以齁我完全贊成你的就是說完全要講科學的證據然後呢它的效果在哪裡\n634349\t645482\t那不要製造分裂不要製造這個假消息那更不要製造仇恨那利用仇恨為了政治目的來製造仇恨我覺得這很不可取\n646617\t647658\t高端的長病毒疫苗市佔率多少?\n670900\t684334\t目前長病毒71的疫苗台灣有兩支一支是安特羅一支是高端總共已經封建檢驗的大概是23萬高端佔22萬3千\n687465\t704854\t所以大概在9成左右的市佔率對 是已經9成多了所以這很專業嘛能不能研發出一個長病毒的疫苗所以剛才那個委員講說他就只有靠COVID-19疫苗他那個是自費的而且價格也不低\n706635\t722836\t高端有它研發的能力它自己也研發了長病毒的疫苗我覺得這個就是我們要培植的國產的一個公司疫苗因為疫苗是戰略物資啊如果當真的有狀況的時候台灣自己要有自己的疫苗\n723297\t724077\t吳玉琴議員吳玉琴議員\n743453\t771968\t確實這是當時我們在決定COVID-19的疫苗要國際採購以及國內發展的時候就公開徵求國內所有的生醫產是這疫苗製造者能夠進來所以有國光 有聯亞還有高端有四家但是有一家後來安特羅他不願意進來所以有三家所以政府是全面的來照顧臺灣的生醫產業鼓勵他們好好做研發成為世界一流的疫苗廠\n772967\t774108\t做到這麼好的疫苗很好喔美國4千億\n794450\t822472\t所以我覺得我們投入的並沒有很多但是國內的廠商真的這個算是厲害啦有自己的研發的能力而且產出很好的一個疫苗能夠我想接下來全世界應該會對於我們的疫苗是很認同的那當然我們看到那個賴副總統也提到說我們高端的合約要這個公布那我剛剛也再請部長再說一次就是高端下午的公布是說\n823812\t851225\t他們即將要召開董事會來決定是否同意跟什麼時候要公開所以這個部分我們還是要尊重高端這邊因為我們畢竟也是雙方的一個合約我們不能強迫說他一定要公開但是我們看到國內的情勢當然如果能公開我們一起讓這個訊息能夠公開透明讓高端也不要每次都變成大家的箭靶\n852346\t853286\t以一個上市公司來講他們開這個董事會大概要花多長的時間與他們一起\n874392\t889197\t我印象中是說董事會召開前的一個禮拜要通知要說明然後他們來開董事會那像這一件事情的話我們很高興看到高端願意這樣來做了\n890037\t905492\t院長最後一點時間因為最近疫情好像又再起所以整個又快要春節了又要選舉所以很多人來來往往的我們是不是要請院長這邊再宣導一次就是要趕快鼓勵大家再打疫苗\n906703\t907224\t謝謝 謝謝院長 辛苦了\n","txt":"謝謝游院長我請陳院長還有衛務部薛部長薛部長請陳院長辛苦了好我也很好不好意思因為剛才我接到一個簡訊說中國發射這個飛彈\n是 我剛剛也看到這個警訊了對所以中共對我們的威脅是一直在的確實 確實時時都在\n院長我想今天在總統大選的前4天召開這樣的臨時會其實是相當罕見的那我想今天又針對高端的議題又再重啟我想很多的不許的一個訊息其實希望藉這一次的這個臨時會也能夠跟國人做的一個清楚的說明事實上從第10屆我們在這個衛黃委員會或是在院會的這個報告裡面\n院長已經做3次報告了我們在胃環委員會調閱小組就開了6次我幾乎常我們都一直在胃環嘛那這個胃環裡面的專報或是這個公聽會也開了12次所以其實疫苗的事情我們在第3會期第4會期其實非常密集的討論\n今天又重啟我覺得也好讓我們執政團隊可以針對高端的議題來好好說清楚所以今天有這個機會也來跟院長再請教一下現在這個疫苗的採購本來就涉及很多的商業的機密\n吳玉琴議員吳玉琴議員吳玉琴議員\n依照在野黨的要求完全不遮蔽那也不把個別的這個這個機密的資訊遮蔽的話會有什麼問題部長回答如果說沒有遮蔽的話那就沒有辦法避免洩露出去那這個洩露出去的話那會影響到以後我們在做採購疫苗的時候那對於這些國外的廠商對我們的信任度\n那可能我們就會買不到疫苗買不到藥品這是一個合約的規定裡面這個保密的原則如果不遵守那接下來沒有人跟我們做生意了沒有人會賣疫苗給我們那當時我們在這個所謂的採購疫苗調閱專案小組上面其實也有相關的規定就是我們在調閱資料的時候我們其實是委員本身進去看資料也要負有保密的一個責任的但是當時其實\n這位委員還是法律人出身\n吳玉琴議員\n吳玉琴議員\n其他的呢?其他的應該有的都比高端還長\nAZ5年 NOVAVAX7年然後這個VNT10年然後莫德納是不公開委員在這裡我跟你補充說明一下我剛才講說是發射衛星的警報我再更正一下因為他講到發射我剛才看得很快所以我要更正一下但是剛才講的這個疫苗保存的期限確實是每一個公司他的要求都不一樣像莫德納他就是不公開\n所以我們今天一直在談說要針對高端的這個保密要公開那我覺得如果這件事針對BNT好了或是針對我們的AZ說我們要求他公開你覺得對這些國際廠他為什麼態度看台灣\n對,包括說鴻海也不敢去公開BNT的合約因為就沒有誠信嘛對,因為你看我們好不容易購買到像BNT這麼好的一個疫苗進來我們都不希望打破或打壞這個所謂國際的這個合約嘛所以沒有,現在我覺得在野黨沒有人在問說那為什麼不公開其他的疫苗\n太明顯的選擇性了啦\n有的人是文字是不太懂封存跟封\n我們這些合約真的都不能公開嗎?\n時間到了就可以啊原則上時間到了就可以今天早上院長的報告裡面其實也談到監察院還有審計部其實都看過合約了因為那是公務上的需要跟司法上如果法院需要的話也是可以看的嘛\n對不過在這邊也跟委員報告一下那今天下午的時候那個高端已經宣 正式對外做聲明他會召開董事會來決定是否要公開是 所以他們最近會召開那個董事會來決議說要不要公開嗎要不然提早公開啦因為我們有多次跟他聯繫那他今天也對外公布這樣子\n所以表示國人希望及早知道但是我想也是要我們公司這邊我想這樣子雙方都有一個彼此的尊重就是合約裡面最重要的也顯示了我們中華民國政府對於合約的誠信對於未來我們要採購任何的藥物\n疫苗等等或者甚至簽其他的商業企業的合約的時候呢那人家才會相信說中華民國政府是一個值得跟我們有交易的有很好的簽企業的對象也確實如果我們政府不講信用沒有人敢跟我們再做這個合約或契約的一個買賣那我想也不是要幫高端講就是說其實疫苗是一個非常專業的一個\n吳玉琴\n即使身為一個臺灣人也很焦慮的是說每次在選舉到了一次再一次的這個在野黨在操作這個疫苗或是操作這樣的仇恨我覺得那我們國內的國產的所謂的這個產業誰敢再讓我們國家賠錢\n其實臺灣人的本性是慈悲善良還有謙讓然後也願意照顧弱勢像口罩的時候我們不是說我OK你先請\n但是我們會發現在這個疫苗這件事情上的時候就變成了不斷的抹黑不斷的照說明了假 錯假的訊息以至於民眾對於疫苗的這個副作用被誇大而不願意打疫苗\n那像這樣的一個不正確的信息的傳播實際上是阻止了讓台灣的老人家不願意打疫苗一個很重要的原因我們的調查就說要有副作用還有人說打疫苗使得比感染的人多\n那這些錯假消息到處漫步的時候呢實際上就使得這些老人家不願意去接受疫苗所以台灣的疫苗老人家的疫苗接種率只有7成多日本、韓國跟新加坡都到9成5以上當然我們這個到後來Omicron來的時候這些人就不幸會死亡這是讓我們很痛心的事情所以齁我完全贊成你的就是說完全要講科學的證據然後呢它的效果在哪裡\n那不要製造分裂不要製造這個假消息那更不要製造仇恨那利用仇恨為了政治目的來製造仇恨我覺得這很不可取\n高端的長病毒疫苗市佔率多少?\n目前長病毒71的疫苗台灣有兩支一支是安特羅一支是高端總共已經封建檢驗的大概是23萬高端佔22萬3千\n所以大概在9成左右的市佔率對 是已經9成多了所以這很專業嘛能不能研發出一個長病毒的疫苗所以剛才那個委員講說他就只有靠COVID-19疫苗他那個是自費的而且價格也不低\n高端有它研發的能力它自己也研發了長病毒的疫苗我覺得這個就是我們要培植的國產的一個公司疫苗因為疫苗是戰略物資啊如果當真的有狀況的時候台灣自己要有自己的疫苗\n吳玉琴議員吳玉琴議員\n確實這是當時我們在決定COVID-19的疫苗要國際採購以及國內發展的時候就公開徵求國內所有的生醫產是這疫苗製造者能夠進來所以有國光 有聯亞還有高端有四家但是有一家後來安特羅他不願意進來所以有三家所以政府是全面的來照顧臺灣的生醫產業鼓勵他們好好做研發成為世界一流的疫苗廠\n做到這麼好的疫苗很好喔美國4千億\n所以我覺得我們投入的並沒有很多但是國內的廠商真的這個算是厲害啦有自己的研發的能力而且產出很好的一個疫苗能夠我想接下來全世界應該會對於我們的疫苗是很認同的那當然我們看到那個賴副總統也提到說我們高端的合約要這個公布那我剛剛也再請部長再說一次就是高端下午的公布是說\n他們即將要召開董事會來決定是否同意跟什麼時候要公開所以這個部分我們還是要尊重高端這邊因為我們畢竟也是雙方的一個合約我們不能強迫說他一定要公開但是我們看到國內的情勢當然如果能公開我們一起讓這個訊息能夠公開透明讓高端也不要每次都變成大家的箭靶\n以一個上市公司來講他們開這個董事會大概要花多長的時間與他們一起\n我印象中是說董事會召開前的一個禮拜要通知要說明然後他們來開董事會那像這一件事情的話我們很高興看到高端願意這樣來做了\n院長最後一點時間因為最近疫情好像又再起所以整個又快要春節了又要選舉所以很多人來來往往的我們是不是要請院長這邊再宣導一次就是要趕快鼓勵大家再打疫苗\n謝謝 謝謝院長 辛苦了\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.849 --> 00:23.660\n謝謝游院長我請陳院長還有衛務部薛部長薛部長請陳院長辛苦了好我也很好不好意思因為剛才我接到一個簡訊說中國發射這個飛彈\n\n00:27.935 --> 00:32.830\n是我剛剛也看到這個警訊了對所以中共對我們的威脅是一直在的確實確實時時都在\n\n00:36.203 --> 01:01.599\n院長我想今天在總統大選的前4天召開這樣的臨時會其實是相當罕見的那我想今天又針對高端的議題又再重啟我想很多的不許的一個訊息其實希望藉這一次的這個臨時會也能夠跟國人做的一個清楚的說明事實上從第10屆我們在這個衛黃委員會或是在院會的這個報告裡面\n\n01:03.280 --> 01:21.987\n院長已經做3次報告了我們在胃環委員會調閱小組就開了6次我幾乎常我們都一直在胃環嘛那這個胃環裡面的專報或是這個公聽會也開了12次所以其實疫苗的事情我們在第3會期第4會期其實非常密集的討論\n\n01:23.187 --> 01:39.142\n今天又重啟我覺得也好讓我們執政團隊可以針對高端的議題來好好說清楚所以今天有這個機會也來跟院長再請教一下現在這個疫苗的採購本來就涉及很多的商業的機密\n\n01:40.123 --> 01:40.863\n吳玉琴議員吳玉琴議員吳玉琴議員\n\n02:03.492 --> 02:32.038\n依照在野黨的要求完全不遮蔽那也不把個別的這個這個機密的資訊遮蔽的話會有什麼問題部長回答如果說沒有遮蔽的話那就沒有辦法避免洩露出去那這個洩露出去的話那會影響到以後我們在做採購疫苗的時候那對於這些國外的廠商對我們的信任度\n\n02:32.598 --> 03:00.145\n那可能我們就會買不到疫苗買不到藥品這是一個合約的規定裡面這個保密的原則如果不遵守那接下來沒有人跟我們做生意了沒有人會賣疫苗給我們那當時我們在這個所謂的採購疫苗調閱專案小組上面其實也有相關的規定就是我們在調閱資料的時候我們其實是委員本身進去看資料也要負有保密的一個責任的但是當時其實\n\n03:01.585 --> 03:03.366\n這位委員還是法律人出身\n\n03:20.915 --> 03:21.115\n吳玉琴議員\n\n03:42.085 --> 03:42.385\n吳玉琴議員\n\n04:08.212 --> 04:11.513\n其他的呢?其他的應該有的都比高端還長\n\n04:36.283 --> 05:03.148\nAZ5年NOVAVAX7年然後這個VNT10年然後莫德納是不公開委員在這裡我跟你補充說明一下我剛才講說是發射衛星的警報我再更正一下因為他講到發射我剛才看得很快所以我要更正一下但是剛才講的這個疫苗保存的期限確實是每一個公司他的要求都不一樣像莫德納他就是不公開\n\n05:04.249 --> 05:19.559\n所以我們今天一直在談說要針對高端的這個保密要公開那我覺得如果這件事針對BNT好了或是針對我們的AZ說我們要求他公開你覺得對這些國際廠他為什麼態度看台灣\n\n05:25.605 --> 05:48.556\n對,包括說鴻海也不敢去公開BNT的合約因為就沒有誠信嘛對,因為你看我們好不容易購買到像BNT這麼好的一個疫苗進來我們都不希望打破或打壞這個所謂國際的這個合約嘛所以沒有,現在我覺得在野黨沒有人在問說那為什麼不公開其他的疫苗\n\n05:49.436 --> 05:49.957\n太明顯的選擇性了啦\n\n06:12.312 --> 06:14.452\n有的人是文字是不太懂封存跟封\n\n06:36.720 --> 06:37.941\n我們這些合約真的都不能公開嗎?\n\n06:50.556 --> 07:07.504\n時間到了就可以啊原則上時間到了就可以今天早上院長的報告裡面其實也談到監察院還有審計部其實都看過合約了因為那是公務上的需要跟司法上如果法院需要的話也是可以看的嘛\n\n07:08.934 --> 07:34.599\n對不過在這邊也跟委員報告一下那今天下午的時候那個高端已經宣正式對外做聲明他會召開董事會來決定是否要公開是所以他們最近會召開那個董事會來決議說要不要公開嗎要不然提早公開啦因為我們有多次跟他聯繫那他今天也對外公布這樣子\n\n07:35.772 --> 07:54.167\n所以表示國人希望及早知道但是我想也是要我們公司這邊我想這樣子雙方都有一個彼此的尊重就是合約裡面最重要的也顯示了我們中華民國政府對於合約的誠信對於未來我們要採購任何的藥物\n\n07:54.767 --> 08:21.740\n疫苗等等或者甚至簽其他的商業企業的合約的時候呢那人家才會相信說中華民國政府是一個值得跟我們有交易的有很好的簽企業的對象也確實如果我們政府不講信用沒有人敢跟我們再做這個合約或契約的一個買賣那我想也不是要幫高端講就是說其實疫苗是一個非常專業的一個\n\n08:23.401 --> 08:23.662\n吳玉琴\n\n08:48.238 --> 09:03.428\n即使身為一個臺灣人也很焦慮的是說每次在選舉到了一次再一次的這個在野黨在操作這個疫苗或是操作這樣的仇恨我覺得那我們國內的國產的所謂的這個產業誰敢再讓我們國家賠錢\n\n09:09.011 --> 09:13.135\n其實臺灣人的本性是慈悲善良還有謙讓然後也願意照顧弱勢像口罩的時候我們不是說我OK你先請\n\n09:35.854 --> 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有聯亞還有高端有四家但是有一家後來安特羅他不願意進來所以有三家所以政府是全面的來照顧臺灣的生醫產業鼓勵他們好好做研發成為世界一流的疫苗廠"},{"start":772.967,"end":774.108,"text":"做到這麼好的疫苗很好喔美國4千億"},{"start":794.45,"end":822.472,"text":"所以我覺得我們投入的並沒有很多但是國內的廠商真的這個算是厲害啦有自己的研發的能力而且產出很好的一個疫苗能夠我想接下來全世界應該會對於我們的疫苗是很認同的那當然我們看到那個賴副總統也提到說我們高端的合約要這個公布那我剛剛也再請部長再說一次就是高端下午的公布是說"},{"start":823.812,"end":851.225,"text":"他們即將要召開董事會來決定是否同意跟什麼時候要公開所以這個部分我們還是要尊重高端這邊因為我們畢竟也是雙方的一個合約我們不能強迫說他一定要公開但是我們看到國內的情勢當然如果能公開我們一起讓這個訊息能夠公開透明讓高端也不要每次都變成大家的箭靶"},{"start":852.346,"end":853.286,"text":"以一個上市公司來講他們開這個董事會大概要花多長的時間與他們一起"},{"start":874.392,"end":889.197,"text":"我印象中是說董事會召開前的一個禮拜要通知要說明然後他們來開董事會那像這一件事情的話我們很高興看到高端願意這樣來做了"},{"start":890.037,"end":905.492,"text":"院長最後一點時間因為最近疫情好像又再起所以整個又快要春節了又要選舉所以很多人來來往往的我們是不是要請院長這邊再宣導一次就是要趕快鼓勵大家再打疫苗"},{"start":906.703,"end":907.224,"text":"謝謝 謝謝院長 辛苦了"}]}}}}