{"id":149100,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149100","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/20dc639cdbf6214f7349d600c1d34feb659e523f497a2948f8ba9b0039caa7a6a2a4a6212d4cdfaa5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"林楚茵","委員發言時間":"11:37:44 - 11:53:48","影片長度":"00:16:04","會議時間":"2023-09-22T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"第10屆第8會期第1次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出有關農業部辦理專案進口雞蛋相關事項專案報告並備質詢。（9月22日）\n二、行政院院長提出登革熱防治相關事宜專案報告並備質詢。（9月23日）\n三、行政院院長施政報告並備質詢。（9月26日）\n四、9月22日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。）","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"立法院第10屆第8會期第1次會議","id":"院會-10-8-1","type":"院會","term":10,"sessionPeriod":8,"sessionTimes":1},"date":"2023-09-22","duration":964,"end_time":"2023-09-22T11:53:48+08:00","start_time":"2023-09-22T11:37:44+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":789,"blocks":[["林委員楚茵：（11時38分）謝謝主席。主席有請陳建仁陳院、農委會陳代理部長以及衛福部薛部長。"],["主席：陳院長、代理部長、薛部長。"],["陳院長建仁：委員好。"],["林委員楚茵：院長好。首先先來請院長看一下，最新、剛剛今天早上公布的民調，我想這個民調對於行政團隊來講絕對是一個打擊，因為我相信政府很努力地希望要解決各方面的問題，尤其是這一次源於今年年初時候的缺蛋，但是政府很努力，可以看得到的是民眾不是很滿意，不滿意的程度高達了五成六。今天早上我們其實也看到了院長針對這個部分已經道歉，因為畢竟院長的專業就是在公衛，所以整體的民生或者是公共衛生的安全，一定是院長最在乎的。其實如果總計來說，現在所引發的恐慌原因，並不是我們在市面上真的看到了什麼所謂的不合格的、過期的進口蛋，而是整體的恐慌，是不是這樣，院長？"],["陳院長建仁：是。"],["林委員楚茵：所以我們可以感受到的是，截至目前為止你們的報告，我們從3月到7月進口的專案雞蛋其實只有1億4,531萬顆，而我們其實本身，每一天、每一天我們土產的國產雞蛋，一天就有2,300萬顆，言下之意就是我們現在進口的也只是等於……"],["陳院長建仁：6天的量。"],["林委員楚茵：6天的量。那麼也就是說，其實在這整個蔓延的恐慌當中，真正受傷害的不只是我們現在覺得政府的威信或者是民眾食的安全，而是這整個產業鏈底下，包括了我們國產雞蛋的業者，以及我們看到中秋節快要到了，很多的糕餅業者明明用的都是合格的好蛋，我們現在在倉庫裡面看到的那些就算是要報銷的過期蛋，他們也沒有留在市面上。所以我希望今天給院長一個時間，因為剛剛您在致詞的時候，國民黨就在前面不斷叫囂，聽不清楚您到底講了什麼，甚至於您真誠的，沒有寫在報告前面開頭的那個道歉，其實您也說了，但是整體來說，我們要維護的不只是國人的健康、學生的安全、全民的食安問題，還有我們整個跟雞蛋產業鏈有關的全體民生安全，是不是可以請院長再就這個部分，好好的說明一下？"],["陳院長建仁：好，謝謝委員給我這個機會來做說明。我想委員的這個圖表顯示得很好，實際上進口雞蛋占本土的量，即使在進口最多的這四個月裡面，只占1%，換句話說，在市場上的雞蛋99%都不是進口的蛋，所以中秋節到了，我們現在專案進口的蛋都已經沒有進入在市場上，所以大家可以安心食用，而且國產蛋在6月以後，實際上已經恢復足夠的產能，所以我相信國人在這一段期間，如果要食用雞蛋，請看一下蛋盒裡面，它一定是臺灣產的本土蛋，應該是充裕的，大家要安心的食用。政府當然也會加強食安的管控，所以我也請衛福部和地方政府一起來聯合稽查，希望廠商的標示一定要很正確，大家在採購的時候，稍微用點心力看一下，在效期內的，然後是國產的，那就可以安心食用。"],["林委員楚茵：其實民眾對於自己食的安全是最重視的，就像今天我如果走進便利性商店，我去買一個牛奶、生鮮食品，我一定都會先看一下製造日期、有效期限，然後還可以放多久，這其實都是大家一起來建立的SOP了，但是我們也知道行政團隊今天在這裡，有農委會、有衛福部，後面還有各個部會的首長都在這裡，其實大家是一個團隊，那麼就像剛剛院長所宣示的，現在在市面上，其實經過了包括衛福部的食安把關，都是健康、安全、合格的雞蛋，但是就像您在報告當中也特別提到的，因為目前我們的整個專案還會延續到明年，過去其實整個行政團隊對於整個食安的稽查或者是食安的把關是非常有經驗的。在野黨過去也曾經操作過許多的恐慌，比如美豬要進口、美牛要進口，又或者是日本的食品要開放的時候，他們也會操作一系列的恐慌，但是這些恐慌後來為什麼能夠被制止？那是因為政府拿出作為。剛剛院長特別提到有一個聯合稽查的動作，那麼現在我請薛部長聊一下聯合稽查的成效是如何，因為我們現在看到地方政府遍地開花，但是以本席過去在媒體的經驗，本來地方就是在做衛生食安把關的第一線，他們的衛生局本來就要主動出擊去做這些把關的動作，可是這些把關的動作是中央的法規，地方一起來執行，中央、地方要聯手，而且當你查到業者有問題的時候，怎麼會算到中央部會？這個問題其實我認為衛福部有義務要講清楚，目前聯合稽查的狀況是怎麼樣？真的有問題嗎？那麼問題在哪裡？"],["薛部長瑞元：如果指的是聯合稽查，那麼應該指的就是後市場的稽查，後市場的稽查主要是對所有的食品，並不分國內跟國外，國內也可能有違規標示，也可能有衛生不良的這種產品，所以我們對於聯合稽查是不分國內、國外都會去看的，國內、國外不一樣的地方只有在標示的部分，如果是進口的、輸入的蛋，到底它的標示是否正確，而效期的部分，我們也會去查，它所標示的效期有沒有超過原來進口時，在它的衛生證明上面、報驗單上面的話所揭示的這個效期。"],["林委員楚茵：其實我要講的重點是，院長，聯合稽查過之後，沒事沒新聞，但一樣出事就有新聞，就引發全臺恐慌，所以聯查、稽查之後的成果必須要公告，或者是必須要標示，這是我想講的。比如說像現在前一陣子有一個小攤販，他發生了一個拉肚子的事件，他其實最後發現是沙門桿菌，可是因為他點的菜裡面有一道是滑蛋，所以現在這些的蛋蛋危機變成是這邊穿鑿、那邊附會所引發出來的。","我要講的是聯合稽查的成效，如果說今天根本沒有問題，也要告訴大家、也要標示出來，因為這是一個整體的團隊合作。我要強調的是，因為進口蛋它的整個專案期程是還要到明年，如果有人要藉題發揮，有人要在媒體上特別地去製造錯誤的印象、引發雞蛋恐慌，我要強調的是，這些恐慌傷害到的是99%的國產雞農以及雞蛋商，但是這些事情是不應該發生的。更何況中秋節要到了，所以院長，可不可以請你宣示一下？"],["陳院長建仁：我答應這個委員的要求，我們最近剛好在聯合稽查。聯合稽查就我所瞭解，都是在架上都是很安全，而且不會影響健康的這個食品，都很好的食品。我們今天會請他們把這個相當稽查完的，你講得很對啦，剛剛講的就是稽查好後沒問題就沒有對外講，有一件事情我們就講。"],["林委員楚茵：是。"],["陳院長建仁：那我們就會把稽查了多少件、成果怎麼樣，我們會儘快地來發布相關的消息。"],["林委員楚茵：因為本席來自於媒體，大家也都知道媒體需要的是一個標題，需要的是一個民眾能夠理解數字化的最後的結果。那麼當稽查出現問題的時候，其實這些問題是不是真的來自於進口蛋，又或者是它是不是真正實質的一個問題？那麼其實是必須要被釐清的，而目前全民所產生的恐慌是，包括大家恐怕都不知道，我們在市面上看到的99%是臺灣優質的本土蛋。今天早上大家吃的早餐，可能裡面就有一顆雞蛋，而這一顆雞蛋，它一定是沒有問題人家才敢賣，但是那種害怕的心態會影響到後續的部分。","好，接下來我們來看下一張。其實整體的過程我用簡短的時間來幫大家回顧一下，這是我在今年的2月23號在超市當時拍到的，這就是當時的蛋的價格，10顆125塊，然後12顆228塊，然後6顆120塊。我要講的是，當時臺灣也不缺蛋啊，但是缺的是便宜蛋，我想這也是為什麼政府要來進口。","來看下一張，所以這是為什麼農委員會會決定要進口雞蛋，但是過去我相信，在雞蛋的零售價格創新高的時候，整體影響到的也是就像現在如果恐慌造成蛋價的浮動，都是對於整體的、整個產業的市場都是很大的傷害的。那麼因為疾病不是我們所能控制的，包括雞的禽流感等等，所以為什麼我們現在要拉長了期限。","院長，我這邊會點到這一點是，過去農委會站上第一線把雞蛋進口進來了，可是進來之後，它就變成是來到臺灣國內本地的一個食品，而食安的管控，包括現在衛福部的薛部長出來了。那麼過去，我相信今天會有這麼多的官員坐在這裡，不論是財政部、交通部、經濟部，言下之意是，一個雞蛋影響的是整體的產業，我們接下來如果還要有進口雞蛋的時候，本席要詢問院長的是，有沒有責成一個更有效率的跨部會的方式來進行？","我所提出的問題是說，因為未來我們的期限還要到明年，也許接下來我們不需要了，因為國內的雞蛋生產可以很穩定，可以供需平衡，也不會達到需過於供給的部分，但是如果還有下一個進口的時候，這個時候是不是應該更專業地跨部會來進行，甚至由院長您這種公衛專家來做一個整體的督導跟協調？"],["陳院長建仁：好，跟委員報告，在今年2月份開始要進口的時候，因為這個進口的部分除了農業部以外，跟經濟部、跟衛福部、跟外交部都有關係，所以我們行政院當時也就有一個雞蛋進口相關的專案小組，是由鄭文燦副院長在協調各個部會，後來因為雞蛋進口很順利了，所以這個小組目前是沒有定期在開會，可是未來我們會繼續的定期來檢討，因為我們還是要維持足夠的供應量，目前每一個月大概160萬顆，我們會按照這樣的方式來進行，我們也要加強這個預測，因為我們也在管控、看看、監視全世界禽流感的疫情是怎麼樣，還有全世界雞隻的疫病是怎麼樣，來預測看看未來的進口量是多少，這個我們會遵照委員的這個建議，我們這個跨部會的小組雖然不是像以前那麼密集，但是可以定期大概一個月或者半個月來做，像禽流感來了，我們的禽流感聯繫會報就是一個禮拜1次，沒有的話，大概每一個月我們會來檢討。"],["林委員楚茵：好，因為有這樣的事件之後，我們也都知道雞蛋這種民生必須品影響的非常大，缺蛋的時候，蛋會飆漲，就像你在坊間看到的，1顆蛋20元、30元，都有可能，但是一旦雞蛋進口之後，過去網路上曾經有人講，為什麼陳吉仲這一次會遭受這麼大的攻擊，我們來看下一張，是不是也是因為他擋了某些人的財路？本席在國會殿堂當然不會特別的去做這種無端的指控，但是當時在媒體也都可以看到，居然在內科可以出現這種1袋100元，就是有小貨車擺攤的即期蛋，那就表示也確實出現了我們過去知道的，在農產品的銷售過程當中，常常出現了所謂的有人囤積、想要藉機哄抬價格，因此本席才會特別提醒，行政團隊跟行政單位在整體跨部會的監控當中，除了更透明、更團隊合作之外，也要定期的讓媒體感受到政府在做哪些。","最後剩下的一點點時間，來看下一張，那就是我認為在這樣的過程當中願意幫國家做事的人真的受到了傷害，這些人絕對不單單只是我們講到的行政官員，因為身為行政官員，大家都喜歡講行政官員就是人民的公僕，但是在這樣的一個過程當中，還有許多願意站出來幫國家做事的，比如第一時間願意臨危受命，它從本身只是一個進口蛋的蛋商或者是貿易商加入了所謂的雞蛋國家隊，但是遭受到的惡意攻擊跟抹黑讓他們也必須自己站出來自清。","最後的三十秒，我還是希望把這個時間留給院長，因為政府做事是應該的，但是民眾也必須讓願意為國家付出的人能夠藉機獲得必要的肯定，而不是無理的栽贓跟抹黑。"],["陳院長建仁：我在這裡真的要謝謝所有協助我們專案進口的這些廠商，他們在最緊急的狀況下要在很短的時間內進口那麼大量的雞蛋確實是相當的不容易，我記得在當時很多的廠商都是到處飛，譬如要到巴西，要到不同的地方，他們花了很多的心血，我想我們全民特別是政府要感謝他們跟我們合作。謝謝！"],["林委員楚茵：好，謝謝院長，謝謝！"],["主席：謝謝林委員，接下來請邱委員顯智質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":18,"meet_id":"院會-10-8-1","speakers":["游錫堃"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2023-09-22"],"gazette_id":"1126301","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1126301_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第10屆第8會期第1次會議紀錄","content":"報告事項","agenda_id":"1126301_00001"}},"transcript":{"id":"149100","pyannote":{"name":"ronny","tool":"pyannote","data":{"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149100","tool":"pyannote","id":"149100-pyannote"},"job_id":"Xa47ffzKGX7QIMpG","queued_at":"2024-06-02 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00:03:30,416\n謝謝委員給我這一個機會來說明我想委員的這一個圖表顯示的很好實際上進口雞蛋呢占本土的量在即使在進口最多的這個四個月裡面只占1%\n\n11\n00:03:31,585 --> 00:03:59,979\n換句話說在市場上的雞蛋99%都是一個都不是進口的蛋所以呢中秋節到了我們現在專案進口的這個蛋呢都已經沒有進入在市場上所以大家可以安心的使用而且國產蛋呢在6月以後呢實際上已經恢復他的足夠的這個產能所以我相信在國人在這一段期間如果要使用雞蛋請開一下那個蛋盒裡面\n\n12\n00:04:00,438 --> 00:04:00,999\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n13\n00:04:14,178 --> 00:04:14,278\n字幕提供\n\n14\n00:04:39,944 --> 00:04:40,885\n消息。（9月23日（\n\n15\n00:05:05,896 --> 00:05:23,770\n但是就像您在報告當中也特別提到的因為目前我們的整個專案還會延續到明年過去其實整個行政團隊對於整個食安的稽查或者是食安的把關是非常有經驗的在野黨過去也曾經操作過許多的恐慌比如美豬要進口\n\n16\n00:05:24,491 --> 00:05:53,322\n媒牛要進口又或者是日本的食品要開放的時候他們也會操作一系列的恐慌但是這些恐慌後來為什麼能夠被制止那是因為政府拿出作為剛剛院長你有特別提到了有一個聯合稽查的一個動作那麼我請現在薛部長聊一下聯合稽查的成效是如何因為我們現在看到地方政府遍地開花但是以本席過去在媒體的經驗本來地方就是在做\n\n17\n00:05:54,402 --> 00:06:20,427\n衛生時安把關的第一線他們的衛生局他們本來就要主動出擊去做這些把關的工作可是這些把關的動作是中央的法規地方一起來執行中央地方要聯手而且當你查到業者有問題的時候怎麼會算到中央部會這個問題其實我認為衛福部有義務要講清楚目前聯合機場的狀況是怎麼樣真的有問題嗎那麼問題在哪裡\n\n18\n00:06:24,648 --> 00:06:30,312\n主要是對所有的食品並不分國內跟國外國內也有可能有違規標示也有可能有這個那個衛生不良的這種產品所以\n\n19\n00:06:46,414 --> 00:07:12,369\n我們對於這個聯合稽查是不分國內國外都會去看的那跟有國內國外有不一樣的地方只有在標示的部分那如果是進口的輸入的這個蛋那到底他的標示是否正確那然後效期的部分我們也會去查那他所標示的效期有沒有超過原來的進口的時候\n\n20\n00:07:13,922 --> 00:07:34,812\n那在他的衛生證明上面報應單上面的話所揭示的這個這個這個其實我要講的重點是院長聯合稽查過之後沒事沒新聞但一樣出事就有新聞就引發全台恐慌所以聯查稽查之後的成果\n\n21\n00:07:37,793 --> 00:07:58,319\n出了一個小攤販他發生了一個拉肚子的事件他其實最後發現是沙門桿菌可是因為他點的菜裡面有一道是滑蛋所以現在這些的蛋蛋危機變成是\n\n22\n00:08:00,422 --> 00:08:14,454\n這篇穿鑿那邊附會所引發出來的我要講的是聯合雞茶的成效如果說今天根本沒有問題也要告訴大家也要標示出來因為這是一個整體的團隊合作我要強調的是因為進口蛋\n\n23\n00:08:16,736 --> 00:08:43,951\n的整個專案期程是還要到明年如果有人要借題發揮有人要在媒體上特別的去製造錯誤的印象引發雞蛋恐慌我要強調的是這些恐慌傷害到的是99%的國產雞農以及雞蛋商但是這些事情是不應該發生的更何況中秋節要到了所以院長可不可以請你宣示一下\n\n24\n00:08:44,691 --> 00:08:55,174\n我答應這個委員的要求我們最近剛好在聯合機場那聯合機場就我所了解都是在駕上上都是很安全\n\n25\n00:08:55,728 --> 00:08:55,808\n消息\n\n26\n00:09:16,940 --> 00:09:31,980\n因為本席來自於媒體大家也都知道媒體需要的是一個標題需要的是一個民眾能夠理解數字化的最後的結果那麼當稽查出現問題的時候其實這些問題是不是真的來自於進口蛋\n\n27\n00:09:32,481 --> 00:09:32,661\n字幕提供\n\n28\n00:09:57,424 --> 00:10:14,960\n但是那種害怕的心態會影響到後續的部分好接下來我們來看下一張喔其實整體的過程我用簡短的時間來幫大家回顧一下這是我當年在2在今年的2月23號在超市當時拍到的這就是當時的蛋的價格10顆125塊然後12顆228塊\n\n29\n00:10:18,763 --> 00:10:18,783\n訊息\n\n30\n00:10:48,743 --> 00:11:02,859\n那麼因為疾病不是我們所能控制的,包括雞的禽流感等等,所以為什麼我們現在要拉長了期限?院長我在這邊點到這一點是,過去農委會站上第一線,把雞蛋進口進來了。\n\n31\n00:11:03,700 --> 00:11:23,849\n可是進來之後他就變成是來到臺灣國內本地的一個食品而食安的管控包括現在衛福部的薛部長出來了那麼過去我相信今天會有這麼多的官員坐在這裡不論是財政部交通部經濟部言下之意是一個雞蛋影響的是整體的產業\n\n32\n00:11:24,989 --> 00:11:53,971\n我們接下來如果還要有進口雞蛋的時候本席要詢問院長的是有沒有責成一個更有效率的跨部會的方式來進行我所提出的問題是說因為還有未來我們的期限還要到明年也許接下來我們不需要了因為國內的雞蛋生產可以很穩定可以供需平衡也不會達到需過於供給的部分\n\n33\n00:11:54,491 --> 00:12:20,060\n但是如果還有下一個進口的時候這個時候是不是應該更專業的跨部會來進行甚至於有院長您這種公衛專家來做一個整體的督導跟協調好跟委員報告在今年2月份開始要進口的時候我們行政院也是因為這個進口的部分除了農業部以外跟經濟部跟衛福部跟\n\n34\n00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:21,120\n報告並備質詢。（9月24日（\n\n35\n00:12:41,386 --> 00:12:49,409\n（9月24日（9月25日（9月28日（9月29日（9月30日（9月31日（9月31日（9月32日（9月33日（9月34日（9月35日（9月35日（9月36日（9月36日（9月37日（9月38日（9月39日（9月40日（9月40日（9月40日（9月41日（9月42日（9月43日（9月44日（9月45日（9月45日（9月46日（9月46日（9月47日（9月47日（9月48日（9月49日\n\n36\n00:13:07,074 --> 00:13:26,050\n此外,我們會遵照委員的建議,我們這個跨部會的小組,雖然不是像以前那麼密集,但是可以定期大概一個月或者半個月來做。（9月24日（像禽流港來了,我們的禽流港聯繫匯報就是一個禮拜一次,那沒有的話大概每一個月我們會來檢討。\n\n37\n00:13:27,318 --> 00:13:46,194\n好因為有這樣的事件之後我們也都知道雞蛋這種名稱必需品影響的非常大缺蛋的時候蛋會飆漲就在你的房間看到的一顆蛋20塊30塊都有可能但是一旦雞蛋進口之後過去曾經有網路上有人講為什麼陳吉仲這一次會遭受這麼大的攻擊我們來看下一張\n\n38\n00:13:47,475 --> 00:13:47,675\n字幕提供\n\n39\n00:14:12,421 --> 00:14:13,122\n一張那就是\n\n40\n00:14:33,806 --> 00:14:56,499\n我認為在這樣一個過程當中願意幫國家做事的人真的受到了傷害這些人絕對不單單只是我們講到的行政官員因為身為行政官員大家都喜歡講說行政官員就是人民的公僕但是在這樣的一個過程當中還有許多願意站出來幫國家做事的比如說第一時間願意臨危受命\n\n41\n00:14:57,279 --> 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簡短的時間來幫大家回顧一下這是我當年在2在今年的2月23號在超市當時拍到的這就是當時的蛋的價格10顆125塊然後12顆228塊\n訊息\n那麼因為疾病不是我們所能控制的,包括雞的禽流感等等,所以為什麼我們現在要拉長了期限?院長我在這邊點到這一點是,過去農委會站上第一線,把雞蛋進口進來了。\n可是進來之後他就變成是來到臺灣國內本地的一個食品而食安的管控包括現在衛福部的薛部長出來了那麼過去我相信今天會有這麼多的官員坐在這裡不論是財政部交通部經濟部言下之意是一個雞蛋影響的是整體的產業\n我們接下來如果還要有進口雞蛋的時候本席要詢問院長的是有沒有責成一個更有效率的跨部會的方式來進行我所提出的問題是說因為還有未來我們的期限還要到明年也許接下來我們不需要了因為國內的雞蛋生產可以很穩定可以供需平衡也不會達到需過於供給的部分\n但是如果還有下一個進口的時候這個時候是不是應該更專業的跨部會來進行甚至於有院長您這種公衛專家來做一個整體的督導跟協調好跟委員報告在今年2月份開始要進口的時候我們行政院也是因為這個進口的部分除了農業部以外跟經濟部跟衛福部跟\n報告並備質詢。（9月24日（\n（9月24日（9月25日（9月28日（9月29日（9月30日（9月31日（9月31日（9月32日（9月33日（9月34日（9月35日（9月35日（9月36日（9月36日（9月37日（9月38日（9月39日（9月40日（9月40日（9月40日（9月41日（9月42日（9月43日（9月44日（9月45日（9月45日（9月46日（9月46日（9月47日（9月47日（9月48日（9月49日\n此外,我們會遵照委員的建議,我們這個跨部會的小組,雖然不是像以前那麼密集,但是可以定期大概一個月或者半個月來做。（9月24日（像禽流港來了,我們的禽流港聯繫匯報就是一個禮拜一次,那沒有的話大概每一個月我們會來檢討。\n好因為有這樣的事件之後我們也都知道雞蛋這種名稱必需品影響的非常大缺蛋的時候蛋會飆漲就在你的房間看到的一顆蛋20塊30塊都有可能但是一旦雞蛋進口之後過去曾經有網路上有人講為什麼陳吉仲這一次會遭受這麼大的攻擊我們來看下一張\n字幕提供\n一張那就是\n我認為在這樣一個過程當中願意幫國家做事的人真的受到了傷害這些人絕對不單單只是我們講到的行政官員因為身為行政官員大家都喜歡講說行政官員就是人民的公僕但是在這樣的一個過程當中還有許多願意站出來幫國家做事的比如說第一時間願意臨危受命\n消息\n響鐘\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.104 --> 00:00.367\n林委員處應質詢\n\n00:27.468 --> 00:47.445\n謝謝主席主席有請陳建成部長農委會陳代理部長以及微服部薛部長陳院長陳代理部長薛部長委員好院長好委員好部長好\n\n00:50.526 --> 01:04.905\n呃首先先來請院長看一下這個最新剛剛今天早上公佈的民調啊呃我想這個民調對於行政團隊來講絕對是一個打擊因為畢竟我相信政府很努力的希望要解決各方面的問題尤其是這一次\n\n01:05.834 --> 01:05.854\n訊息\n\n01:30.037 --> 01:55.097\n其實如果總計來說現在所引發的恐慌原因並不是真的我們在市面上真的看到了什麼所謂的不合格的過期的進口蛋而是整體的一個恐慌是不是這樣院長是好所以我們可以感受到的是如果截至目前為止您的報告我們從3月到7月進口的專案雞蛋其實只有一億\n\n01:56.533 --> 01:56.913\n消息報告\n\n02:14.159 --> 02:33.415\n一兩那麼也就是說其實在這整個蔓延的恐慌當中真正受傷害的不只是我們現在覺得政府的威信或者是民眾時的安全而是這整個產業鏈底下包括了我們國產的雞蛋的業者以及我們看到了中秋節快要到了\n\n02:33.775 --> 02:33.895\n字幕提供\n\n02:54.428 --> 02:55.088\n好（9月24日（9月25日\n\n03:18.941 --> 03:30.416\n謝謝委員給我這一個機會來說明我想委員的這一個圖表顯示的很好實際上進口雞蛋呢占本土的量在即使在進口最多的這個四個月裡面只占1%\n\n03:31.585 --> 03:59.979\n換句話說在市場上的雞蛋99%都是一個都不是進口的蛋所以呢中秋節到了我們現在專案進口的這個蛋呢都已經沒有進入在市場上所以大家可以安心的使用而且國產蛋呢在6月以後呢實際上已經恢復他的足夠的這個產能所以我相信在國人在這一段期間如果要使用雞蛋請開一下那個蛋盒裡面\n\n04:00.438 --> 04:00.999\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n04:14.178 --> 04:14.278\n字幕提供\n\n04:39.944 --> 04:40.885\n消息。（9月23日（\n\n05:05.896 --> 05:23.770\n但是就像您在報告當中也特別提到的因為目前我們的整個專案還會延續到明年過去其實整個行政團隊對於整個食安的稽查或者是食安的把關是非常有經驗的在野黨過去也曾經操作過許多的恐慌比如美豬要進口\n\n05:24.491 --> 05:53.322\n媒牛要進口又或者是日本的食品要開放的時候他們也會操作一系列的恐慌但是這些恐慌後來為什麼能夠被制止那是因為政府拿出作為剛剛院長你有特別提到了有一個聯合稽查的一個動作那麼我請現在薛部長聊一下聯合稽查的成效是如何因為我們現在看到地方政府遍地開花但是以本席過去在媒體的經驗本來地方就是在做\n\n05:54.402 --> 06:20.427\n衛生時安把關的第一線他們的衛生局他們本來就要主動出擊去做這些把關的工作可是這些把關的動作是中央的法規地方一起來執行中央地方要聯手而且當你查到業者有問題的時候怎麼會算到中央部會這個問題其實我認為衛福部有義務要講清楚目前聯合機場的狀況是怎麼樣真的有問題嗎那麼問題在哪裡\n\n06:24.648 --> 06:30.312\n主要是對所有的食品並不分國內跟國外國內也有可能有違規標示也有可能有這個那個衛生不良的這種產品所以\n\n06:46.414 --> 07:12.369\n我們對於這個聯合稽查是不分國內國外都會去看的那跟有國內國外有不一樣的地方只有在標示的部分那如果是進口的輸入的這個蛋那到底他的標示是否正確那然後效期的部分我們也會去查那他所標示的效期有沒有超過原來的進口的時候\n\n07:13.922 --> 07:34.812\n那在他的衛生證明上面報應單上面的話所揭示的這個這個這個其實我要講的重點是院長聯合稽查過之後沒事沒新聞但一樣出事就有新聞就引發全台恐慌所以聯查稽查之後的成果\n\n07:37.793 --> 07:58.319\n出了一個小攤販他發生了一個拉肚子的事件他其實最後發現是沙門桿菌可是因為他點的菜裡面有一道是滑蛋所以現在這些的蛋蛋危機變成是\n\n08:00.422 --> 08:14.454\n這篇穿鑿那邊附會所引發出來的我要講的是聯合雞茶的成效如果說今天根本沒有問題也要告訴大家也要標示出來因為這是一個整體的團隊合作我要強調的是因為進口蛋\n\n08:16.736 --> 08:43.951\n的整個專案期程是還要到明年如果有人要借題發揮有人要在媒體上特別的去製造錯誤的印象引發雞蛋恐慌我要強調的是這些恐慌傷害到的是99%的國產雞農以及雞蛋商但是這些事情是不應該發生的更何況中秋節要到了所以院長可不可以請你宣示一下\n\n08:44.691 --> 08:55.174\n我答應這個委員的要求我們最近剛好在聯合機場那聯合機場就我所了解都是在駕上上都是很安全\n\n08:55.728 --> 08:55.808\n消息\n\n09:16.940 --> 09:31.980\n因為本席來自於媒體大家也都知道媒體需要的是一個標題需要的是一個民眾能夠理解數字化的最後的結果那麼當稽查出現問題的時候其實這些問題是不是真的來自於進口蛋\n\n09:32.481 --> 09:32.661\n字幕提供\n\n09:57.424 --> 10:14.960\n但是那種害怕的心態會影響到後續的部分好接下來我們來看下一張喔其實整體的過程我用簡短的時間來幫大家回顧一下這是我當年在2在今年的2月23號在超市當時拍到的這就是當時的蛋的價格10顆125塊然後12顆228塊\n\n10:18.763 --> 10:18.783\n訊息\n\n10:48.743 --> 11:02.859\n那麼因為疾病不是我們所能控制的,包括雞的禽流感等等,所以為什麼我們現在要拉長了期限?院長我在這邊點到這一點是,過去農委會站上第一線,把雞蛋進口進來了。\n\n11:03.700 --> 11:23.849\n可是進來之後他就變成是來到臺灣國內本地的一個食品而食安的管控包括現在衛福部的薛部長出來了那麼過去我相信今天會有這麼多的官員坐在這裡不論是財政部交通部經濟部言下之意是一個雞蛋影響的是整體的產業\n\n11:24.989 --> 11:53.971\n我們接下來如果還要有進口雞蛋的時候本席要詢問院長的是有沒有責成一個更有效率的跨部會的方式來進行我所提出的問題是說因為還有未來我們的期限還要到明年也許接下來我們不需要了因為國內的雞蛋生產可以很穩定可以供需平衡也不會達到需過於供給的部分\n\n11:54.491 --> 12:20.060\n但是如果還有下一個進口的時候這個時候是不是應該更專業的跨部會來進行甚至於有院長您這種公衛專家來做一個整體的督導跟協調好跟委員報告在今年2月份開始要進口的時候我們行政院也是因為這個進口的部分除了農業部以外跟經濟部跟衛福部跟\n\n12:20.720 --> 12:21.120\n報告並備質詢。（9月24日（\n\n12:41.386 --> 12:49.409\n（9月24日（9月25日（9月28日（9月29日（9月30日（9月31日（9月31日（9月32日（9月33日（9月34日（9月35日（9月35日（9月36日（9月36日（9月37日（9月38日（9月39日（9月40日（9月40日（9月40日（9月41日（9月42日（9月43日（9月44日（9月45日（9月45日（9月46日（9月46日（9月47日（9月47日（9月48日（9月49日\n\n13:07.074 --> 13:26.050\n此外,我們會遵照委員的建議,我們這個跨部會的小組,雖然不是像以前那麼密集,但是可以定期大概一個月或者半個月來做。（9月24日（像禽流港來了,我們的禽流港聯繫匯報就是一個禮拜一次,那沒有的話大概每一個月我們會來檢討。\n\n13:27.318 --> 13:46.194\n好因為有這樣的事件之後我們也都知道雞蛋這種名稱必需品影響的非常大缺蛋的時候蛋會飆漲就在你的房間看到的一顆蛋20塊30塊都有可能但是一旦雞蛋進口之後過去曾經有網路上有人講為什麼陳吉仲這一次會遭受這麼大的攻擊我們來看下一張\n\n13:47.475 --> 13:47.675\n字幕提供\n\n14:12.421 --> 14:13.122\n一張那就是\n\n14:33.806 --> 14:56.499\n我認為在這樣一個過程當中願意幫國家做事的人真的受到了傷害這些人絕對不單單只是我們講到的行政官員因為身為行政官員大家都喜歡講說行政官員就是人民的公僕但是在這樣的一個過程當中還有許多願意站出來幫國家做事的比如說第一時間願意臨危受命\n\n14:57.279 --> 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