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00:03:16,445\n今天這個認證法雖然是在討論香港的這個經濟貿易辦事處但是它背後隱藏了四個東西第一個當然就是討論在美國的香港的這個三個總領事館有沒有必須要維持這個地位的存在因為你如果香港只變成在反送中之後被認定為只為中國的一個城市的話\n\n8\n00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:43,875\n哪有一個國家的城市有可以取得這樣的特殊地位。所以這是外交地位的第一個檢討。第二個再來要考慮的美國要考慮的就是你香港貨物到美國的關稅能不能再享有跟中國不一樣的地位。尤其川普現在在選競選的期間他已經公開宣稱說如果他當選所有中國的關稅都要課60%以上。\n\n9\n00:03:47,128 --> 00:04:07,354\n那香港呢?所以香港會失去,如果這個東西也被檢討了之後,香港會失去轉口貿易的這個地位。香港這個港口會急速的衰落。他這個東方民族早就蒙城了,現在更被諷刺說有可能是未來金融中心的廢墟的一個遺址。這個是一個諷刺的說法。\n\n10\n00:04:10,269 --> 00:04:34,663\n第三點其實也是我們關心的一點就是過去很多西方的科技、高科技資訊進入中國是透過香港作為一個窗口那這個也會被檢討以後一樣要跟香港做這些交換的這些科技的這個學習的高科技的一樣也會受到相同狀況的處討的這個檢討最後一項是最嚴重的\n\n11\n00:04:39,770 --> 00:05:08,763\n美國甚至開始要討論將來港元能不能直接兌換美金。港幣能不能直接兌換美金。因為哪有一個國家的地方城市你自己發行貨幣然後還可以直接在國際上面這樣自由的兌換美金呢?有可能會被踢出美金的結算這樣的整體的機制。院長我今天花了這麼多的時間跟你做描述。謝謝你的分析我覺得這個分析很棒確實是如此。是要提醒我們的國家\n\n12\n00:05:09,585 --> 00:05:28,226\n一方面我們在經貿領域我們走出去了未來的日本美國這個德國台積電設廠之後還有更多的中下游廠商協力廠商也會到全世界去發展這對台灣當然對全世界影響一直在增加了\n\n13\n00:05:29,124 --> 00:05:52,899\n可是有的地方增加有的地方面臨的危機我們台灣過去因為跟隨了美國這樣的政策對香港也有很多的特殊的這個對待那美國現在一步一步檢討這個切香腸一刀一刀一直切那再想請教我們的行政單位有為這樣的\n\n14\n00:06:16,511 --> 00:06:36,910\n我們有密切在關注這個整個情勢的發展,確實港澳在中國化之後呢,漸漸的失去了它在政治、經濟,甚至在貿易上面的這個地位。那我們陸委會也有一直在監控,我們金管會也會注意到這個投資的情形。我是不是請陸委會的主委簡單的講一下?\n\n15\n00:06:37,731 --> 00:07:07,074\n感謝委員的關心確實香港整體的情勢呢自從這個反送中之後呢有急劇的變化那我們陸委會大概每年都會委託學者專家呢對香港分幾個面向的探討第一個他的政治的這樣的一個自由政治的自由度第二個他司法的獨立性第三個他社會的問題跟他經貿的一個整體包括金融地位的發展那有關於金融的部分我知道這個金管會他們有一套的監管的機制\n\n16\n00:07:07,934 --> 00:07:31,523\n我們大概也參考各國事實上這幾年我們都有跟各國珍貴香港的問題有一些的訊息的交換跟合作的機制那所以呢委員的關注我們確實都有持續的在做這樣的一個關注那政府相關部會也針對您剛剛所提的幾個問題他們都有一套自己的監管機制我們是請經管會主委簡單說一下目前\n\n17\n00:07:54,602 --> 00:08:22,323\n好謝謝你們的說明但是院長我要跟你提醒這個絕對不是部門部會一部分的工作這是一個國家整體的戰略層次的方向的思考那台灣作為這個一個自由世界的經濟體我們不可能不跟著美國的步伐假設港元不能夠直接兌換美金我想我們就不容許港元可以來兌換台幣因為\n\n18\n00:08:25,131 --> 00:08:51,006\n如果我們拿到了不能兌換美金的港元,我們是要幹嘛呢?這些事情必須由以待之。我當然知道我們現在因為江港本身它自己在衰弱。我們的負險是在降低,這是事實。那我們國安單位或是說陸委會也有在思考這個問題。問題是這需要國家甚至是國安整層面的國家的整體政府的整體的思考。我們要如何面對一個這樣子的變局。\n\n19\n00:08:51,991 --> 00:09:14,633\n因為美國當然他現在只有兩院的外交委員會是再來下一步就是通過他們參議院跟眾議院的大會再來就是美國總統要不要簽署這個檢討的法案這個有可能會很快喔當然你有可能說不一定會到來但是存在著巨大的風險因為美國今年11月是他們的選舉年\n\n20\n00:09:16,340 --> 00:09:39,772\n阿現在兩黨都斷言堪比什麼人反共誰比較反中共把中共列為假想敵這是一個事實所以美國的政策如果做了一個很大的改變的時候台灣你如果不先準備在那邊遇到這樣的狀況我要如何處理的話我擔心的是到時候萬一措手不及就算你現在降低了投資你怎麼樣呢\n\n21\n00:09:41,069 --> 00:09:41,710\n那我知道今天不會有答案\n\n22\n00:09:54,924 --> 00:10:24,034\n我這個總質詢總是要提醒我們的行政團隊要存在著一樣這樣的觀念而不是說我們都是打造一段問題來了之後才處理這個問題如果來了你才處理是來不及的好不好謝謝您的提醒我們因為臺美關係現在不錯我們也了解美國的動向那更重要的我們會讓各部會就香港可能的發展的這個趨勢來預先採取相關的超前部署的措施\n\n23\n00:10:24,434 --> 00:10:49,583\n好謝謝你那作為區議員我也要為我的選區來做一些提醒那我一方上面有幾樣建設是我一直非常關心也非常注意也是我們新莊人非常重視的第一個就是五股交流道的改善那這個工程當然已經在進行甚至進度也超前這個非常感謝那我相信謝謝委員你積極爭取\n\n24\n00:10:52,004 --> 00:11:20,540\n我這個我也是一直在盯當然我知道進度是有比較比原來的預定進度要快但之前因為發報5次留標到第5次才標出去所以事實上如果能夠快但是當然要如此本質也是要維護我們當然是很歡迎而且溫子郡重劃區的開展現在已經工程做到一半未來會有更多人口遷入\n\n25\n00:11:21,508 --> 00:11:46,063\n西裝已經穿在身上要蓋齁,絕對很困難的,不過你沒辦法,而且很多的負擔要加進來,譬如說這個本來在三重的西北轉運站現在又要遷到新莊來,又要把那麼多要上高速公路的這些客運,又從原來三重交流道上高速公路的,現在又移到新莊從五股交流道又上。\n\n26\n00:11:47,559 --> 00:12:16,326\n另外一方面又是增加負擔這個也要必須要考慮在內所以這個東西我們新莊的這個這麼五股交流道其實已經是全台灣現在最擁擠的交流道他的他事實上每天幾乎都在塞車了那部長是不是就這兩個觀點跟我們解釋一下第一個這個五股交流道雖然劉標現在在趕工就116年事業完工了如果能提前就提前\n\n27\n00:12:17,196 --> 00:12:41,312\n那西北客運轉運站這是市政府他自己用BOT方式在進行他沒有申請中央在轉運站上面的補助那他重點當然是說把重陽路這些國道可以放在那邊不是補助的問題而已喔你要提醒他啊西北市政府他不能夠閉門召軍全台灣最擁擠的交流道已經在五股交流道那你要跟他中盤考慮我也不是一定反對\n\n28\n00:12:42,273 --> 00:13:07,047\n但是你裝盤考慮你又把這麼多的交通動線又移到新莊來然後新莊來一定從五穀藏交流道嘛不然你新莊沒有其他的交流道所以這一部分你要提醒他說你要一併考慮在內我們要來提醒雖然他是自己辦理的案子啦那就交通就尤其他跟五穀交流道關係密切以後他就上下嘛這部分我們來提醒整個交通的這些\n\n29\n00:13:25,220 --> 00:13:42,045\n方式上下交流道走台65從五谷上交流道一樣也是塞阿你也知道現在從台65向南到五谷接土城一樣也是塞阿所以兩方面都有困難考慮了再來\n\n30\n00:13:42,825 --> 00:14:09,804\n第二個重要的交通建設我們講到的是我們臺65線新庄征社南巷的第二個出口這個也是我很注重的拜託要跟新北市政府的溝通我知道現在已經基本上同意了可能今年就要發報司做了可行進行通過現在做中規要加油再來就是我們這個泰山板橋捷運輕軌的這個支線我叫他做後港西勝支線那\n\n31\n00:14:12,403 --> 00:14:24,693\n之前選前部長我也去跟你開過幾次會你也都贊成然後甚至提出一些方案是走塔留坑溪跟潭堤溝的這個高架做路廊\n\n32\n00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:50,234\n結果現在新北市政府你丟給他研究他的研究結果說要開一個30米的計畫道路開玩笑我們那邊的這個房子全部都已經蓋好了你要30米的計畫道路你要去猜誰的房子那要猜多少房子所以你沒有好好的做行政指導結果他自己閉門造句弄了一個根本就跟我希望的目標跟我們原來談好的東西越來越遠的東西啊\n\n33\n00:14:51,917 --> 00:14:56,221\n這一點是不是很遺憾是不是你要跟他加強溝通我們希望的是走\n\n34\n00:14:57,540 --> 00:14:58,060\n他目前就答應預留了。\n\n35\n00:15:59,469 --> 00:16:03,773\n謝謝吳委員秉慧的質詢。接下來我們請丁委員學中質詢。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9199\t38497\t主席麻煩請行政院陳院長麻煩請陳院長備選委員恭喜你當選連任謝謝你 院長早這幾天我想跟我有相同心情的臺灣人應該會有很多吧因為我看到2月24號台積電在日本熊本的一場落成\n39518\t63304\t這個大家看到那個典禮在讓日本政府要更加第二場要更大規模的這個補助那身為一個臺灣人對於臺灣的企業作為世界第一名然後揚名世界而且能夠協助日本的這個晶圓我覺得非常的與有榮焉啊大大的提高了臺灣身為臺灣人的自信跟對臺灣人對自我這個認識的一個層次這一點是要先\n70421\t94078\t說明我的心情。顯現這些年來我們國家的施政在這一方面一定有相當的成功跟成就的地方要先跟你恭喜。那謝謝我有看到工政委也有去所以這個是很辛苦的為了臺灣事實上這件事情不是只有臺灣跟日本重視全世界都非常的重視所以\n94673\t96675\t對於他們的香港經濟貿易辦事處的認證法在做了檢討。\n122526\t145587\t這裏面最嚴重的表面上看起來是對於香港在美國的三個總理事館能不能維持的問題。另外一個深層原理是,院長你知道這個法為什麼會通過嗎?是因為1997的時候英國跟中國要訂約香港要回歸給中國。\n147605\t171158\t那時候有做了保證中國有做了保證說香港的經濟地位50年不變所以他很明顯的跟中國的這個政治跟中國的經濟處理方法各式方向都不一樣所以美國為了這個東西來定了這個特別法那給了香港非常多的優惠\n173305\t196445\t今天這個認證法雖然是在討論香港的這個經濟貿易辦事處但是它背後隱藏了四個東西第一個當然就是討論在美國的香港的這個三個總領事館有沒有必須要維持這個地位的存在因為你如果香港只變成在反送中之後被認定為只為中國的一個城市的話\n197639\t223875\t哪有一個國家的城市有可以取得這樣的特殊地位。所以這是外交地位的第一個檢討。第二個再來要考慮的美國要考慮的就是你香港貨物到美國的關稅能不能再享有跟中國不一樣的地位。尤其川普現在在選競選的期間他已經公開宣稱說如果他當選所有中國的關稅都要課60%以上。\n227128\t247354\t那香港呢?所以香港會失去,如果這個東西也被檢討了之後,香港會失去轉口貿易的這個地位。香港這個港口會急速的衰落。他這個東方民族早就蒙城了,現在更被諷刺說有可能是未來金融中心的廢墟的一個遺址。這個是一個諷刺的說法。\n250269\t274663\t第三點其實也是我們關心的一點就是過去很多西方的科技、高科技資訊進入中國是透過香港作為一個窗口那這個也會被檢討以後一樣要跟香港做這些交換的這些科技的這個學習的高科技的一樣也會受到相同狀況的處討的這個檢討最後一項是最嚴重的\n279770\t308763\t美國甚至開始要討論將來港元能不能直接兌換美金。港幣能不能直接兌換美金。因為哪有一個國家的地方城市你自己發行貨幣然後還可以直接在國際上面這樣自由的兌換美金呢?有可能會被踢出美金的結算這樣的整體的機制。院長我今天花了這麼多的時間跟你做描述。謝謝你的分析我覺得這個分析很棒確實是如此。是要提醒我們的國家\n309585\t328226\t一方面我們在經貿領域我們走出去了未來的日本美國這個德國台積電設廠之後還有更多的中下游廠商協力廠商也會到全世界去發展這對台灣當然對全世界影響一直在增加了\n329124\t352899\t可是有的地方增加有的地方面臨的危機我們台灣過去因為跟隨了美國這樣的政策對香港也有很多的特殊的這個對待那美國現在一步一步檢討這個切香腸一刀一刀一直切那再想請教我們的行政單位有為這樣的\n354991\t376391\t吳秉叡\n376511\t396910\t我們有密切在關注這個整個情勢的發展,確實港澳在中國化之後呢,漸漸的失去了它在政治、經濟,甚至在貿易上面的這個地位。那我們陸委會也有一直在監控,我們金管會也會注意到這個投資的情形。我是不是請陸委會的主委簡單的講一下?\n397731\t427074\t感謝委員的關心確實香港整體的情勢呢自從這個反送中之後呢有急劇的變化那我們陸委會大概每年都會委託學者專家呢對香港分幾個面向的探討第一個他的政治的這樣的一個自由政治的自由度第二個他司法的獨立性第三個他社會的問題跟他經貿的一個整體包括金融地位的發展那有關於金融的部分我知道這個金管會他們有一套的監管的機制\n427934\t451523\t我們大概也參考各國事實上這幾年我們都有跟各國珍貴香港的問題有一些的訊息的交換跟合作的機制那所以呢委員的關注我們確實都有持續的在做這樣的一個關注那政府相關部會也針對您剛剛所提的幾個問題他們都有一套自己的監管機制我們是請經管會主委簡單說一下目前\n454224\t474258\t吳秉叡\n474602\t502323\t好謝謝你們的說明但是院長我要跟你提醒這個絕對不是部門部會一部分的工作這是一個國家整體的戰略層次的方向的思考那台灣作為這個一個自由世界的經濟體我們不可能不跟著美國的步伐假設港元不能夠直接兌換美金我想我們就不容許港元可以來兌換台幣因為\n505131\t531006\t如果我們拿到了不能兌換美金的港元,我們是要幹嘛呢?這些事情必須由以待之。我當然知道我們現在因為江港本身它自己在衰弱。我們的負險是在降低,這是事實。那我們國安單位或是說陸委會也有在思考這個問題。問題是這需要國家甚至是國安整層面的國家的整體政府的整體的思考。我們要如何面對一個這樣子的變局。\n531991\t554633\t因為美國當然他現在只有兩院的外交委員會是再來下一步就是通過他們參議院跟眾議院的大會再來就是美國總統要不要簽署這個檢討的法案這個有可能會很快喔當然你有可能說不一定會到來但是存在著巨大的風險因為美國今年11月是他們的選舉年\n556340\t579772\t阿現在兩黨都斷言堪比什麼人反共誰比較反中共把中共列為假想敵這是一個事實所以美國的政策如果做了一個很大的改變的時候台灣你如果不先準備在那邊遇到這樣的狀況我要如何處理的話我擔心的是到時候萬一措手不及就算你現在降低了投資你怎麼樣呢\n581069\t581710\t那我知道今天不會有答案\n594924\t624034\t我這個總質詢總是要提醒我們的行政團隊要存在著一樣這樣的觀念而不是說我們都是打造一段問題來了之後才處理這個問題如果來了你才處理是來不及的好不好謝謝您的提醒我們因為臺美關係現在不錯我們也了解美國的動向那更重要的我們會讓各部會就香港可能的發展的這個趨勢來預先採取相關的超前部署的措施\n624434\t649583\t好謝謝你那作為區議員我也要為我的選區來做一些提醒那我一方上面有幾樣建設是我一直非常關心也非常注意也是我們新莊人非常重視的第一個就是五股交流道的改善那這個工程當然已經在進行甚至進度也超前這個非常感謝那我相信謝謝委員你積極爭取\n652004\t680540\t我這個我也是一直在盯當然我知道進度是有比較比原來的預定進度要快但之前因為發報5次留標到第5次才標出去所以事實上如果能夠快但是當然要如此本質也是要維護我們當然是很歡迎而且溫子郡重劃區的開展現在已經工程做到一半未來會有更多人口遷入\n681508\t706063\t西裝已經穿在身上要蓋齁,絕對很困難的,不過你沒辦法,而且很多的負擔要加進來,譬如說這個本來在三重的西北轉運站現在又要遷到新莊來,又要把那麼多要上高速公路的這些客運,又從原來三重交流道上高速公路的,現在又移到新莊從五股交流道又上。\n707559\t736326\t另外一方面又是增加負擔這個也要必須要考慮在內所以這個東西我們新莊的這個這麼五股交流道其實已經是全台灣現在最擁擠的交流道他的他事實上每天幾乎都在塞車了那部長是不是就這兩個觀點跟我們解釋一下第一個這個五股交流道雖然劉標現在在趕工就116年事業完工了如果能提前就提前\n737196\t761312\t那西北客運轉運站這是市政府他自己用BOT方式在進行他沒有申請中央在轉運站上面的補助那他重點當然是說把重陽路這些國道可以放在那邊不是補助的問題而已喔你要提醒他啊 西北市政府他不能夠閉門召軍全台灣最擁擠的交流道已經在五股交流道那你要跟他中盤考慮我也不是一定反對\n762273\t787047\t但是你裝盤考慮你又把這麼多的交通動線又移到新莊來然後新莊來一定從五穀藏交流道嘛不然你新莊沒有其他的交流道所以這一部分你要提醒他說你要一併考慮在內我們要來提醒雖然他是自己辦理的案子啦那就交通就尤其他跟五穀交流道關係密切以後他就上下嘛這部分我們來提醒整個交通的這些\n788268\t805060\t吳秉叡吳秉叡吳秉叡\n805220\t822045\t方式上下交流道走台65從五谷上交流道一樣也是塞阿你也知道現在從台65向南到五谷接土城一樣也是塞阿所以兩方面都有困難考慮了再來\n822825\t849804\t第二個重要的交通建設我們講到的是我們臺65線新庄征社南巷的第二個出口這個也是我很注重的拜託要跟新北市政府的溝通我知道現在已經基本上同意了可能今年就要發報司做了可行進行通過現在做中規要加油再來就是我們這個泰山板橋捷運輕軌的這個支線我叫他做後港西勝支線那\n852403\t864693\t之前選前部長我也去跟你開過幾次會你也都贊成然後甚至提出一些方案是走塔留坑溪跟潭堤溝的這個高架做路廊\n865640\t890234\t結果現在新北市政府你丟給他研究他的研究結果說要開一個30米的計畫道路開玩笑我們那邊的這個房子全部都已經蓋好了你要30米的計畫道路你要去猜誰的房子那要猜多少房子所以你沒有好好的做行政指導結果他自己閉門造句弄了一個根本就跟我希望的目標跟我們原來談好的東西越來越遠的東西啊\n891917\t896221\t這一點是不是很遺憾是不是你要跟他加強溝通我們希望的是走\n897540\t898060\t他目前就答應預留了。\n959469\t963773\t謝謝吳委員秉慧的質詢。接下來我們請丁委員學中質詢。\n","txt":"主席麻煩請行政院陳院長麻煩請陳院長備選委員恭喜你當選連任謝謝你 院長早這幾天我想跟我有相同心情的臺灣人應該會有很多吧因為我看到2月24號台積電在日本熊本的一場落成\n這個大家看到那個典禮在讓日本政府要更加第二場要更大規模的這個補助那身為一個臺灣人對於臺灣的企業作為世界第一名然後揚名世界而且能夠協助日本的這個晶圓我覺得非常的與有榮焉啊大大的提高了臺灣身為臺灣人的自信跟對臺灣人對自我這個認識的一個層次這一點是要先\n說明我的心情。顯現這些年來我們國家的施政在這一方面一定有相當的成功跟成就的地方要先跟你恭喜。那謝謝我有看到工政委也有去所以這個是很辛苦的為了臺灣事實上這件事情不是只有臺灣跟日本重視全世界都非常的重視所以\n對於他們的香港經濟貿易辦事處的認證法在做了檢討。\n這裏面最嚴重的表面上看起來是對於香港在美國的三個總理事館能不能維持的問題。另外一個深層原理是,院長你知道這個法為什麼會通過嗎?是因為1997的時候英國跟中國要訂約香港要回歸給中國。\n那時候有做了保證中國有做了保證說香港的經濟地位50年不變所以他很明顯的跟中國的這個政治跟中國的經濟處理方法各式方向都不一樣所以美國為了這個東西來定了這個特別法那給了香港非常多的優惠\n今天這個認證法雖然是在討論香港的這個經濟貿易辦事處但是它背後隱藏了四個東西第一個當然就是討論在美國的香港的這個三個總領事館有沒有必須要維持這個地位的存在因為你如果香港只變成在反送中之後被認定為只為中國的一個城市的話\n哪有一個國家的城市有可以取得這樣的特殊地位。所以這是外交地位的第一個檢討。第二個再來要考慮的美國要考慮的就是你香港貨物到美國的關稅能不能再享有跟中國不一樣的地位。尤其川普現在在選競選的期間他已經公開宣稱說如果他當選所有中國的關稅都要課60%以上。\n那香港呢?所以香港會失去,如果這個東西也被檢討了之後,香港會失去轉口貿易的這個地位。香港這個港口會急速的衰落。他這個東方民族早就蒙城了,現在更被諷刺說有可能是未來金融中心的廢墟的一個遺址。這個是一個諷刺的說法。\n第三點其實也是我們關心的一點就是過去很多西方的科技、高科技資訊進入中國是透過香港作為一個窗口那這個也會被檢討以後一樣要跟香港做這些交換的這些科技的這個學習的高科技的一樣也會受到相同狀況的處討的這個檢討最後一項是最嚴重的\n美國甚至開始要討論將來港元能不能直接兌換美金。港幣能不能直接兌換美金。因為哪有一個國家的地方城市你自己發行貨幣然後還可以直接在國際上面這樣自由的兌換美金呢?有可能會被踢出美金的結算這樣的整體的機制。院長我今天花了這麼多的時間跟你做描述。謝謝你的分析我覺得這個分析很棒確實是如此。是要提醒我們的國家\n一方面我們在經貿領域我們走出去了未來的日本美國這個德國台積電設廠之後還有更多的中下游廠商協力廠商也會到全世界去發展這對台灣當然對全世界影響一直在增加了\n可是有的地方增加有的地方面臨的危機我們台灣過去因為跟隨了美國這樣的政策對香港也有很多的特殊的這個對待那美國現在一步一步檢討這個切香腸一刀一刀一直切那再想請教我們的行政單位有為這樣的\n吳秉叡\n我們有密切在關注這個整個情勢的發展,確實港澳在中國化之後呢,漸漸的失去了它在政治、經濟,甚至在貿易上面的這個地位。那我們陸委會也有一直在監控,我們金管會也會注意到這個投資的情形。我是不是請陸委會的主委簡單的講一下?\n感謝委員的關心確實香港整體的情勢呢自從這個反送中之後呢有急劇的變化那我們陸委會大概每年都會委託學者專家呢對香港分幾個面向的探討第一個他的政治的這樣的一個自由政治的自由度第二個他司法的獨立性第三個他社會的問題跟他經貿的一個整體包括金融地位的發展那有關於金融的部分我知道這個金管會他們有一套的監管的機制\n我們大概也參考各國事實上這幾年我們都有跟各國珍貴香港的問題有一些的訊息的交換跟合作的機制那所以呢委員的關注我們確實都有持續的在做這樣的一個關注那政府相關部會也針對您剛剛所提的幾個問題他們都有一套自己的監管機制我們是請經管會主委簡單說一下目前\n吳秉叡\n好謝謝你們的說明但是院長我要跟你提醒這個絕對不是部門部會一部分的工作這是一個國家整體的戰略層次的方向的思考那台灣作為這個一個自由世界的經濟體我們不可能不跟著美國的步伐假設港元不能夠直接兌換美金我想我們就不容許港元可以來兌換台幣因為\n如果我們拿到了不能兌換美金的港元,我們是要幹嘛呢?這些事情必須由以待之。我當然知道我們現在因為江港本身它自己在衰弱。我們的負險是在降低,這是事實。那我們國安單位或是說陸委會也有在思考這個問題。問題是這需要國家甚至是國安整層面的國家的整體政府的整體的思考。我們要如何面對一個這樣子的變局。\n因為美國當然他現在只有兩院的外交委員會是再來下一步就是通過他們參議院跟眾議院的大會再來就是美國總統要不要簽署這個檢討的法案這個有可能會很快喔當然你有可能說不一定會到來但是存在著巨大的風險因為美國今年11月是他們的選舉年\n阿現在兩黨都斷言堪比什麼人反共誰比較反中共把中共列為假想敵這是一個事實所以美國的政策如果做了一個很大的改變的時候台灣你如果不先準備在那邊遇到這樣的狀況我要如何處理的話我擔心的是到時候萬一措手不及就算你現在降低了投資你怎麼樣呢\n那我知道今天不會有答案\n我這個總質詢總是要提醒我們的行政團隊要存在著一樣這樣的觀念而不是說我們都是打造一段問題來了之後才處理這個問題如果來了你才處理是來不及的好不好謝謝您的提醒我們因為臺美關係現在不錯我們也了解美國的動向那更重要的我們會讓各部會就香港可能的發展的這個趨勢來預先採取相關的超前部署的措施\n好謝謝你那作為區議員我也要為我的選區來做一些提醒那我一方上面有幾樣建設是我一直非常關心也非常注意也是我們新莊人非常重視的第一個就是五股交流道的改善那這個工程當然已經在進行甚至進度也超前這個非常感謝那我相信謝謝委員你積極爭取\n我這個我也是一直在盯當然我知道進度是有比較比原來的預定進度要快但之前因為發報5次留標到第5次才標出去所以事實上如果能夠快但是當然要如此本質也是要維護我們當然是很歡迎而且溫子郡重劃區的開展現在已經工程做到一半未來會有更多人口遷入\n西裝已經穿在身上要蓋齁,絕對很困難的,不過你沒辦法,而且很多的負擔要加進來,譬如說這個本來在三重的西北轉運站現在又要遷到新莊來,又要把那麼多要上高速公路的這些客運,又從原來三重交流道上高速公路的,現在又移到新莊從五股交流道又上。\n另外一方面又是增加負擔這個也要必須要考慮在內所以這個東西我們新莊的這個這麼五股交流道其實已經是全台灣現在最擁擠的交流道他的他事實上每天幾乎都在塞車了那部長是不是就這兩個觀點跟我們解釋一下第一個這個五股交流道雖然劉標現在在趕工就116年事業完工了如果能提前就提前\n那西北客運轉運站這是市政府他自己用BOT方式在進行他沒有申請中央在轉運站上面的補助那他重點當然是說把重陽路這些國道可以放在那邊不是補助的問題而已喔你要提醒他啊 西北市政府他不能夠閉門召軍全台灣最擁擠的交流道已經在五股交流道那你要跟他中盤考慮我也不是一定反對\n但是你裝盤考慮你又把這麼多的交通動線又移到新莊來然後新莊來一定從五穀藏交流道嘛不然你新莊沒有其他的交流道所以這一部分你要提醒他說你要一併考慮在內我們要來提醒雖然他是自己辦理的案子啦那就交通就尤其他跟五穀交流道關係密切以後他就上下嘛這部分我們來提醒整個交通的這些\n吳秉叡吳秉叡吳秉叡\n方式上下交流道走台65從五谷上交流道一樣也是塞阿你也知道現在從台65向南到五谷接土城一樣也是塞阿所以兩方面都有困難考慮了再來\n第二個重要的交通建設我們講到的是我們臺65線新庄征社南巷的第二個出口這個也是我很注重的拜託要跟新北市政府的溝通我知道現在已經基本上同意了可能今年就要發報司做了可行進行通過現在做中規要加油再來就是我們這個泰山板橋捷運輕軌的這個支線我叫他做後港西勝支線那\n之前選前部長我也去跟你開過幾次會你也都贊成然後甚至提出一些方案是走塔留坑溪跟潭堤溝的這個高架做路廊\n結果現在新北市政府你丟給他研究他的研究結果說要開一個30米的計畫道路開玩笑我們那邊的這個房子全部都已經蓋好了你要30米的計畫道路你要去猜誰的房子那要猜多少房子所以你沒有好好的做行政指導結果他自己閉門造句弄了一個根本就跟我希望的目標跟我們原來談好的東西越來越遠的東西啊\n這一點是不是很遺憾是不是你要跟他加強溝通我們希望的是走\n他目前就答應預留了。\n謝謝吳委員秉慧的質詢。接下來我們請丁委員學中質詢。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.199 --> 00:38.497\n主席麻煩請行政院陳院長麻煩請陳院長備選委員恭喜你當選連任謝謝你院長早這幾天我想跟我有相同心情的臺灣人應該會有很多吧因為我看到2月24號台積電在日本熊本的一場落成\n\n00:39.518 --> 01:03.304\n這個大家看到那個典禮在讓日本政府要更加第二場要更大規模的這個補助那身為一個臺灣人對於臺灣的企業作為世界第一名然後揚名世界而且能夠協助日本的這個晶圓我覺得非常的與有榮焉啊大大的提高了臺灣身為臺灣人的自信跟對臺灣人對自我這個認識的一個層次這一點是要先\n\n01:10.421 --> 01:34.078\n說明我的心情。顯現這些年來我們國家的施政在這一方面一定有相當的成功跟成就的地方要先跟你恭喜。那謝謝我有看到工政委也有去所以這個是很辛苦的為了臺灣事實上這件事情不是只有臺灣跟日本重視全世界都非常的重視所以\n\n01:34.673 --> 01:36.675\n對於他們的香港經濟貿易辦事處的認證法在做了檢討。\n\n02:02.526 --> 02:25.587\n這裏面最嚴重的表面上看起來是對於香港在美國的三個總理事館能不能維持的問題。另外一個深層原理是,院長你知道這個法為什麼會通過嗎?是因為1997的時候英國跟中國要訂約香港要回歸給中國。\n\n02:27.605 --> 02:51.158\n那時候有做了保證中國有做了保證說香港的經濟地位50年不變所以他很明顯的跟中國的這個政治跟中國的經濟處理方法各式方向都不一樣所以美國為了這個東西來定了這個特別法那給了香港非常多的優惠\n\n02:53.305 --> 03:16.445\n今天這個認證法雖然是在討論香港的這個經濟貿易辦事處但是它背後隱藏了四個東西第一個當然就是討論在美國的香港的這個三個總領事館有沒有必須要維持這個地位的存在因為你如果香港只變成在反送中之後被認定為只為中國的一個城市的話\n\n03:17.639 --> 03:43.875\n哪有一個國家的城市有可以取得這樣的特殊地位。所以這是外交地位的第一個檢討。第二個再來要考慮的美國要考慮的就是你香港貨物到美國的關稅能不能再享有跟中國不一樣的地位。尤其川普現在在選競選的期間他已經公開宣稱說如果他當選所有中國的關稅都要課60%以上。\n\n03:47.128 --> 04:07.354\n那香港呢?所以香港會失去,如果這個東西也被檢討了之後,香港會失去轉口貿易的這個地位。香港這個港口會急速的衰落。他這個東方民族早就蒙城了,現在更被諷刺說有可能是未來金融中心的廢墟的一個遺址。這個是一個諷刺的說法。\n\n04:10.269 --> 04:34.663\n第三點其實也是我們關心的一點就是過去很多西方的科技、高科技資訊進入中國是透過香港作為一個窗口那這個也會被檢討以後一樣要跟香港做這些交換的這些科技的這個學習的高科技的一樣也會受到相同狀況的處討的這個檢討最後一項是最嚴重的\n\n04:39.770 --> 05:08.763\n美國甚至開始要討論將來港元能不能直接兌換美金。港幣能不能直接兌換美金。因為哪有一個國家的地方城市你自己發行貨幣然後還可以直接在國際上面這樣自由的兌換美金呢?有可能會被踢出美金的結算這樣的整體的機制。院長我今天花了這麼多的時間跟你做描述。謝謝你的分析我覺得這個分析很棒確實是如此。是要提醒我們的國家\n\n05:09.585 --> 05:28.226\n一方面我們在經貿領域我們走出去了未來的日本美國這個德國台積電設廠之後還有更多的中下游廠商協力廠商也會到全世界去發展這對台灣當然對全世界影響一直在增加了\n\n05:29.124 --> 05:52.899\n可是有的地方增加有的地方面臨的危機我們台灣過去因為跟隨了美國這樣的政策對香港也有很多的特殊的這個對待那美國現在一步一步檢討這個切香腸一刀一刀一直切那再想請教我們的行政單位有為這樣的\n\n06:16.511 --> 06:36.910\n我們有密切在關注這個整個情勢的發展,確實港澳在中國化之後呢,漸漸的失去了它在政治、經濟,甚至在貿易上面的這個地位。那我們陸委會也有一直在監控,我們金管會也會注意到這個投資的情形。我是不是請陸委會的主委簡單的講一下?\n\n06:37.731 --> 07:07.074\n感謝委員的關心確實香港整體的情勢呢自從這個反送中之後呢有急劇的變化那我們陸委會大概每年都會委託學者專家呢對香港分幾個面向的探討第一個他的政治的這樣的一個自由政治的自由度第二個他司法的獨立性第三個他社會的問題跟他經貿的一個整體包括金融地位的發展那有關於金融的部分我知道這個金管會他們有一套的監管的機制\n\n07:07.934 --> 07:31.523\n我們大概也參考各國事實上這幾年我們都有跟各國珍貴香港的問題有一些的訊息的交換跟合作的機制那所以呢委員的關注我們確實都有持續的在做這樣的一個關注那政府相關部會也針對您剛剛所提的幾個問題他們都有一套自己的監管機制我們是請經管會主委簡單說一下目前\n\n07:54.602 --> 08:22.323\n好謝謝你們的說明但是院長我要跟你提醒這個絕對不是部門部會一部分的工作這是一個國家整體的戰略層次的方向的思考那台灣作為這個一個自由世界的經濟體我們不可能不跟著美國的步伐假設港元不能夠直接兌換美金我想我們就不容許港元可以來兌換台幣因為\n\n08:25.131 --> 08:51.006\n如果我們拿到了不能兌換美金的港元,我們是要幹嘛呢?這些事情必須由以待之。我當然知道我們現在因為江港本身它自己在衰弱。我們的負險是在降低,這是事實。那我們國安單位或是說陸委會也有在思考這個問題。問題是這需要國家甚至是國安整層面的國家的整體政府的整體的思考。我們要如何面對一個這樣子的變局。\n\n08:51.991 --> 09:14.633\n因為美國當然他現在只有兩院的外交委員會是再來下一步就是通過他們參議院跟眾議院的大會再來就是美國總統要不要簽署這個檢討的法案這個有可能會很快喔當然你有可能說不一定會到來但是存在著巨大的風險因為美國今年11月是他們的選舉年\n\n09:16.340 --> 09:39.772\n阿現在兩黨都斷言堪比什麼人反共誰比較反中共把中共列為假想敵這是一個事實所以美國的政策如果做了一個很大的改變的時候台灣你如果不先準備在那邊遇到這樣的狀況我要如何處理的話我擔心的是到時候萬一措手不及就算你現在降低了投資你怎麼樣呢\n\n09:41.069 --> 09:41.710\n那我知道今天不會有答案\n\n09:54.924 --> 10:24.034\n我這個總質詢總是要提醒我們的行政團隊要存在著一樣這樣的觀念而不是說我們都是打造一段問題來了之後才處理這個問題如果來了你才處理是來不及的好不好謝謝您的提醒我們因為臺美關係現在不錯我們也了解美國的動向那更重要的我們會讓各部會就香港可能的發展的這個趨勢來預先採取相關的超前部署的措施\n\n10:24.434 --> 10:49.583\n好謝謝你那作為區議員我也要為我的選區來做一些提醒那我一方上面有幾樣建設是我一直非常關心也非常注意也是我們新莊人非常重視的第一個就是五股交流道的改善那這個工程當然已經在進行甚至進度也超前這個非常感謝那我相信謝謝委員你積極爭取\n\n10:52.004 --> 11:20.540\n我這個我也是一直在盯當然我知道進度是有比較比原來的預定進度要快但之前因為發報5次留標到第5次才標出去所以事實上如果能夠快但是當然要如此本質也是要維護我們當然是很歡迎而且溫子郡重劃區的開展現在已經工程做到一半未來會有更多人口遷入\n\n11:21.508 --> 11:46.063\n西裝已經穿在身上要蓋齁,絕對很困難的,不過你沒辦法,而且很多的負擔要加進來,譬如說這個本來在三重的西北轉運站現在又要遷到新莊來,又要把那麼多要上高速公路的這些客運,又從原來三重交流道上高速公路的,現在又移到新莊從五股交流道又上。\n\n11:47.559 --> 12:16.326\n另外一方面又是增加負擔這個也要必須要考慮在內所以這個東西我們新莊的這個這麼五股交流道其實已經是全台灣現在最擁擠的交流道他的他事實上每天幾乎都在塞車了那部長是不是就這兩個觀點跟我們解釋一下第一個這個五股交流道雖然劉標現在在趕工就116年事業完工了如果能提前就提前\n\n12:17.196 --> 12:41.312\n那西北客運轉運站這是市政府他自己用BOT方式在進行他沒有申請中央在轉運站上面的補助那他重點當然是說把重陽路這些國道可以放在那邊不是補助的問題而已喔你要提醒他啊西北市政府他不能夠閉門召軍全台灣最擁擠的交流道已經在五股交流道那你要跟他中盤考慮我也不是一定反對\n\n12:42.273 --> 13:07.047\n但是你裝盤考慮你又把這麼多的交通動線又移到新莊來然後新莊來一定從五穀藏交流道嘛不然你新莊沒有其他的交流道所以這一部分你要提醒他說你要一併考慮在內我們要來提醒雖然他是自己辦理的案子啦那就交通就尤其他跟五穀交流道關係密切以後他就上下嘛這部分我們來提醒整個交通的這些\n\n13:25.220 --> 13:42.045\n方式上下交流道走台65從五谷上交流道一樣也是塞阿你也知道現在從台65向南到五谷接土城一樣也是塞阿所以兩方面都有困難考慮了再來\n\n13:42.825 --> 14:09.804\n第二個重要的交通建設我們講到的是我們臺65線新庄征社南巷的第二個出口這個也是我很注重的拜託要跟新北市政府的溝通我知道現在已經基本上同意了可能今年就要發報司做了可行進行通過現在做中規要加油再來就是我們這個泰山板橋捷運輕軌的這個支線我叫他做後港西勝支線那\n\n14:12.403 --> 14:24.693\n之前選前部長我也去跟你開過幾次會你也都贊成然後甚至提出一些方案是走塔留坑溪跟潭堤溝的這個高架做路廊\n\n14:25.640 --> 14:50.234\n結果現在新北市政府你丟給他研究他的研究結果說要開一個30米的計畫道路開玩笑我們那邊的這個房子全部都已經蓋好了你要30米的計畫道路你要去猜誰的房子那要猜多少房子所以你沒有好好的做行政指導結果他自己閉門造句弄了一個根本就跟我希望的目標跟我們原來談好的東西越來越遠的東西啊\n\n14:51.917 --> 14:56.221\n這一點是不是很遺憾是不是你要跟他加強溝通我們希望的是走\n\n14:57.540 --> 14:58.060\n他目前就答應預留了。\n\n15:59.469 --> 16:03.773\n謝謝吳委員秉慧的質詢。接下來我們請丁委員學中質詢。\n\n","segments":[{"start":9.199,"end":38.497,"text":"主席麻煩請行政院陳院長麻煩請陳院長備選委員恭喜你當選連任謝謝你 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西北市政府他不能夠閉門召軍全台灣最擁擠的交流道已經在五股交流道那你要跟他中盤考慮我也不是一定反對"},{"start":762.273,"end":787.047,"text":"但是你裝盤考慮你又把這麼多的交通動線又移到新莊來然後新莊來一定從五穀藏交流道嘛不然你新莊沒有其他的交流道所以這一部分你要提醒他說你要一併考慮在內我們要來提醒雖然他是自己辦理的案子啦那就交通就尤其他跟五穀交流道關係密切以後他就上下嘛這部分我們來提醒整個交通的這些"},{"start":788.268,"end":805.06,"text":"吳秉叡吳秉叡吳秉叡"},{"start":805.22,"end":822.045,"text":"方式上下交流道走台65從五谷上交流道一樣也是塞阿你也知道現在從台65向南到五谷接土城一樣也是塞阿所以兩方面都有困難考慮了再來"},{"start":822.825,"end":849.804,"text":"第二個重要的交通建設我們講到的是我們臺65線新庄征社南巷的第二個出口這個也是我很注重的拜託要跟新北市政府的溝通我知道現在已經基本上同意了可能今年就要發報司做了可行進行通過現在做中規要加油再來就是我們這個泰山板橋捷運輕軌的這個支線我叫他做後港西勝支線那"},{"start":852.403,"end":864.693,"text":"之前選前部長我也去跟你開過幾次會你也都贊成然後甚至提出一些方案是走塔留坑溪跟潭堤溝的這個高架做路廊"},{"start":865.64,"end":890.234,"text":"結果現在新北市政府你丟給他研究他的研究結果說要開一個30米的計畫道路開玩笑我們那邊的這個房子全部都已經蓋好了你要30米的計畫道路你要去猜誰的房子那要猜多少房子所以你沒有好好的做行政指導結果他自己閉門造句弄了一個根本就跟我希望的目標跟我們原來談好的東西越來越遠的東西啊"},{"start":891.917,"end":896.221,"text":"這一點是不是很遺憾是不是你要跟他加強溝通我們希望的是走"},{"start":897.54,"end":898.06,"text":"他目前就答應預留了。"},{"start":959.469,"end":963.773,"text":"謝謝吳委員秉慧的質詢。接下來我們請丁委員學中質詢。"}]}}}}