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一定的量，就不用勘災了，就可以直接去處理了，所以我們對這個部分會跟氣象的指數做連結。"],["陳院長建仁：人工智慧啦！"],["丁委員學忠：所以我在這裡要跟大家報告，其實我們雲林的農民不是硬要補助，並不是這樣。"],["陳代理部長駿季：瞭解。"],["陳院長建仁：對。"],["丁委員學忠：但是面對我們現在萬物漲價，農作物有價格不穩定的狀況，如果運氣不好遇到天然災害，中央照理說要以從優、從寬、從簡的方式來對待天然災害補助的項目。我跟你們報告，我們去年遇到小犬颱風來襲，你們也知道嘛！"],["陳院長建仁：是。"],["丁委員學忠：小犬颱風造成全國性農作物受損非常嚴重，小犬颱風是在10月5號造成災害，可是到11月還在公告補助品項，神經線的反應會不會太慢了？對嗎？竟然到11月！"],["陳代理部長駿季：我跟委員報告，小犬颱風因為吹的是鹹風，吹了鹹風會有一些延遲性的受損，就是說你當下看不出它有受損，但是差不多一個禮拜、兩個禮拜以後，葉子才會慢慢乾掉，所以這個小犬颱風是比較特例，就是說它有鹽分的部分，會造成一些延遲性的災損。"],["丁委員學忠：所以我現在要說的就是這樣，既然我們瞭解到這次颱風有造成天然災害，還有一項就是人工勘災，我現在要談人工勘災，我們地方的公所是不是在第一線幫農業部代辦來蒐集這些農民的資料？"],["陳代理部長駿季：是。"],["丁委員學忠：他是不是還要去看是否有損失到20%才可以幫他們送件，是不是這樣？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我跟委員報告，現在稍微有改了，就是當一些天然災害來臨的時候，我們的試驗單位會第一線去看，如果看到一些普遍性的災害，我們農業部就會主動公告了，就不用讓地方政府申請再來公告，這個會加快大概5天的時間。"],["丁委員學忠：那是其中有可能發生更嚴重的啦！"],["陳代理部長駿季：對。"],["丁委員學忠：因為現在的科技這麼進步，颱風什麼時候要走什麼路線我們都瞭解，雨量多大、風量多大我們都很瞭解，我們是不是可以依我們的氣象台，看看用什麼方式，我們農業部跟氣象署，我們可以依氣象署的數據來瞭解到這個區域性，只要風速、雨水量有達到我們天然災害救助辦法的規定，我們是不是就用全品項全面來補助？這樣不會造成農民和基層公所辦事人員的糾紛。","你知道嗎？這次小犬颱風剛好遇到選舉期，竟然有人有辦法煽動農民去公所抗議說公所的災害補助都不給他們過，是不是公所都要依照農業部的規定來做？是不是這樣？"],["陳代理部長駿季：瞭解，對。"],["丁委員學忠：既然我們公所對於農業部的規定，他們盡忠職守，他們非常認真的依照你們的規定在做，竟然對農民做選舉政治的操作，把農民「裝肖仔」，說錢都在公所了，公所都不把錢分給那些農民，用這種政治操作來愚弄那些農民，讓那些農民像瘋子一樣在那邊跑來跑去，這樣不對啦！我覺得這樣不對啦！未來我丁學忠不會去做這種事情，但是我希望我們對這個天然災害補助辦法一定要適時修改，不能再用人工勘災，我們中央決定的政策，我們中央自己來發布，我們中央來承擔，如果有什麼工作在地方，學忠來陪你們承擔，這樣好不好？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我跟委員報告，我們的天然災害救助辦法一直在滾動修改，這是第1點；第2點，我們現在已經儘量減少一些人工勘災，目前已經差不多9項……"],["丁委員學忠：不是減少，每次都是人工勘災啊！"],["陳代理部長駿季：因為有一些不用人工勘災，用氣象參數，它要有一些比較客觀的科學數據，就是說像虱目魚超過10度、24小時就不用勘災了，就知道一定穩死了，所以每一個作物對溫度、對風速都有影響，這個數字如果我們有抓到的話，我們就會用科學的氣象參數來處理，那就不用勘災了，所以這是一步一步這樣處理的，我們會儘量……"],["丁委員學忠：希望啦！希望我們可以依照現在先進科技的技術好好來運用，我們現在一直在說農業智慧、科技農業、科技漁業，我們已經開始一直在推廣這個了，為什麼只有勘災就要造成農民和基層公所人員這麼大的糾紛？我是鎮長出身所以我知道，如果真的遇到的時候，有時候農民的認知跟公所辦事人員的認知完全不同，當然農民是為了他的權利，但是公所的辦事人員是為了守法，所以我們要顧著農民的權利，還要顧及我們的員工對於害怕會卡到法令的事情，這真的造成很大的困擾，所以如果我們用科技勘災，全面性實施，不管是農業、漁業都用科技勘災，全面性實施，絕對沒有那些困擾，而且還有辦法達到我們從速、從寬、從優的補助要領，這樣好不好？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我們會朝這個方向執行，我也是要鼓勵我們農民用農業保險，因為農業保險都不用勘災，到時就看產量……"],["丁委員學忠：農業保險現在不是只有稻子才有嗎？"],["陳代理部長駿季：不是，現在有27個品項、54張保單，用這個都不用勘災，到時候產量低就賠了。"],["陳院長建仁：這個也需要委員一起推動。"],["丁委員學忠：這個部分再拜託農業部繼續研議。我們是要持續的進步，我們不要在原地踏步。"],["陳代理部長駿季：是，瞭解。"],["丁委員學忠：這樣好嗎？"],["陳院長建仁：當然。"],["丁委員學忠：再來是針對水利會的部分，水利會現在收回來公有，我們在基層都聽到很多聲音，以前水利會每一年總共有2億經費可以幫我們農民修繕農水路，現在收回國有了，你有空可以自己開車，不要有一大群隨扈，不要有隨從人員，你自己開車去我們雲林的水利站看，我們那些員工是不是閒閒的、大家閒閒沒事好做？而且過去只要水路損害需要施作，跟水利站說，水利站就有辦法發揮他們的公益性馬上協助農民，現在不是，現在都沒有。"],["陳代理部長駿季：我跟委員報告，你剛才說的經費，從過去水利會時代，到現在我們農水署的時代，經費從四十幾億變成每年127億，這是第一點，我們灌區的經費增加。第二個部分就是你剛才說的圳路修繕……"],["丁委員學忠：我們那邊沿海11個鄉鎮都聽到了，就是說水路若要做，就要聽一個人的話、要去拜託一個人，一個人才有辦法解決這些事情。"],["陳代理部長駿季：沒有，這完全不是事實喔！我們有解釋。"],["丁委員學忠：我相信不是事實，但是未來會這樣發生嗎？"],["陳代理部長駿季：絕對不會，因為我們有統計……"],["丁委員學忠：不會發生，所以未來針對我們雲林縣農水路的改善，你要怎麼樣讓我們有辦法得到比較多資源來改善我們的農水路？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我們每一年對於圳路的修理都會由一些地區管理處提報，提報了我們經費一定到位，這是第一點。第二點就是萬一圳路有壞掉的時候，如果通報了，在一個禮拜以內都會修理好，一個禮拜以內至少發包或是清淤。"],["丁委員學忠：我知道，你說的這個我都知道，未來呢？未來資源會更多嗎？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我剛剛說的，現在的資源從過去水利會時代的四十幾億，到現在變成平均1年有127億，另外我們還有運用特別預算……"],["丁委員學忠：部長，你說的編列這些預算是全國性的，還是只有雲林縣而已？"],["陳代理部長駿季：是全國性的。"],["陳院長建仁：全國性的。"],["丁委員學忠：對啊！是全國性的，雲林縣才分配得到多少？"],["陳代理部長駿季：分配的時候就是看各地方的圳路要不要修理，這個我們每年都會有統計，每個地區不太一樣。"],["陳院長建仁：我想最好的方法就是委員也可以反映。"],["丁委員學忠：剩下5分鐘而已，我在這裡要告訴部長，未來只要我們雲林縣有農水路的需求、計畫報上來，我希望我們部長這邊要全力幫忙。"],["陳代理部長駿季：對於報上來的計畫，我們大部分都會支持啦！"],["丁委員學忠：我會自己來拜託你。"],["陳院長建仁：對啦，委員如果替人民反映……"],["丁委員學忠：這個部分再拜託一下。"],["陳代理部長駿季：瞭解。"],["丁委員學忠：再來我要請教院長，我們現在是民意比較重要，還是廠商的利益比較重要？"],["陳院長建仁：我想兩邊都要兼顧啦！尤其是整個國家的發展，我們需要政府和民間一起合作。"],["丁委員學忠：我現在要向院長報告的是，關於我們口湖鄉謝厝村的升壓站、變電站，從去年1月我們的長輩就一直在那裡抗議了，後來經過瞭解之後，他們是為了他們的權利在抗議，水源距離這個變電站的施工處差不多只相差20公尺而已，近近的而已，他們為了他們的健康、為了水源不要受損，整村對這個案件做出相當的抗議，此外，我還沒聽說過有甲地開說明會、乙地施工的情形，但政府卻認定它甲地開說明會、乙地施工。有這件事情嗎？"],["王部長美花：我跟委員報告，它確實已經開了2次的說明會，對地方的疑慮其實也都有說明，而且變電站也沒有環境的風險……"],["丁委員學忠：就算沒有環境風險，它的程序就是不符合啊！甲地開會、乙地施工！住在這裡的人完全不知道要做這件事情，原來是到6公里以外的「庄頭」去開說明會，說明會主席說要簽名，大家莫名其妙簽一簽就回去了，我們這個「庄頭」完全沒有人去，這樣竟然算數！這樣算數嗎？"],["王部長美花：我們會確定它的說明會開得是否合法、有沒有按照規定……"],["丁委員學忠：這樣怎麼會合法？"],["王部長美花：所以它現在……"],["丁委員學忠：這樣就是完全不合法啊！"],["王部長美花：它現在……"],["丁委員學忠：要在我家門口做的事情照理說應該來說明，讓我知道到底是要做什麼、未來的用途是什麼、做起來會怎樣、會不會影響到什麼，或者是對我們有什麼好處，照理說我們有知的權利，結果要在我家做的事情我完全不知道，而是去別人家說要在我家做什麼，別人完全莫名其妙，不知道他們在說什麼。完全莫名其妙，卻以出席人員的身分簽名，這樣能算數？"],["王部長美花：相關的細節……"],["丁委員學忠：我們那邊的居民為了自己的權利到現在還在抗爭。我相信……"],["王部長美花：我跟委員報告……"],["丁委員學忠：我相信部長對這個案子非常瞭解。"],["王部長美花：大家要發展再生能源……"],["丁委員學忠：發展再生能源我們都同意……"],["王部長美花：讓綠電更多……"],["丁委員學忠：這個我們都認同。我們雲林縣是農業大縣，現在整個口湖被劃設兩千五百多甲的綠能專區……"],["王部長美花：沒有，不是這個樣子。"],["丁委員學忠：不是這個樣子？"],["王部長美花：對。所以委員這樣的講法要看地區，因為如果是在我們原來……"],["丁委員學忠：你們用一個什麼「低地力」、「不利耕種區」的講法，就多劃了很多面積耶！"],["陳代理部長駿季：沒有，我跟委員報告……"],["丁委員學忠：部長，按理說，你們應該要到地方去才對。你們有到地方會勘嗎？"],["陳代理部長駿季：有，我……"],["丁委員學忠：你們有和縣政府單位和地方公所去現場會勘？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我跟委員報告，有關你剛剛講的這些，在我們漁電共生專區20,950公頃當中，有在做光電的才兩千多公頃而已，不到兩萬多，其次，你剛剛說的低地力區有2,162公頃，其中有大概六百多公頃是做光電的地方，所以並不是所有的地方都在做這個。"],["丁委員學忠：我們現在的意思是，你們不要光在中央想要做什麼，就要做什麼，應該去地方瞭解地方上的人是否認同你們的想法，而且縣政府對地方比較瞭解，公所對地方也比較瞭解，如果要變更、希望在這個地方做什麼，可以邀集縣政府、地方公所一起去會勘，得到多方面的認同。"],["王部長美花：我們都有和地方合作，也去了很多遍……"],["丁委員學忠：不要坐在辦公室裡面自己劃一劃就算數！"],["陳院長建仁：不會、不會。"],["丁委員學忠：好不好？"],["陳院長建仁：好。一定會聯絡……"],["丁委員學忠：再麻煩你們。剛剛講的問題對我們那個地方真的都很重要，拜託院長和各部門幫忙。"],["陳院長建仁：好，謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝丁委員學忠的質詢。","接下來請登記第10位黃委員珊珊質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":466,"meet_id":"院會-11-1-2","speakers":["韓國瑜","吳秉叡","丁學忠","黃珊珊","林岱樺","陳雪生","張啓楷","徐富癸","謝衣鳯","林國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00:00:42,142\n還在討論的時候,你有沒有去關心?是,我也是,你也記得?對,三、2月27時再回家啦。知道說上禮拜我們議長啦,針對到我們這個瘦肉清,以及我們這個大陸漁船這兩航宿航,有可能像我們一些我們立院的一些同事,\n\n4\n00:00:55,881 --> 00:01:11,250\n言語上有一些比較衝動,我知道上禮拜會在吃飽也吃很多,所以我們今天用開講的方式,這樣好不好?我一向親民氣和,我也覺得委員很重視婚禮的整個發展。\n\n5\n00:01:19,315 --> 00:01:29,461\n對呀,我在這裏探討這個機會,探討這陣燒肉精的情況。我為大家探討這個機會來欣賞我們的婚姻的影響力。我們的婚姻影響力,是當我們這裡用一股大家用先進的技術來飼養出來我們這裡最健康的豬。而且,我們的婚姻受到我們中央政府的關注之時,我們也是全國第一的\n\n6\n00:01:48,812 --> 00:01:52,957\n當非洲豬瘟疫情頭頂,我們第一次拒絕用處理來刺激的第一次。所以確實有來阻擋到我們這個非洲豬瘟,這應該大家都了解。\n\n7\n00:02:06,734 --> 00:02:17,641\n我相信院長對我們中內政管政的施政應該是這樣,我們知道了。對,我們他們的主任和管政部在對這個主任的照顧,我們都有感覺到很認真、很努力,也做得很好。像你在下面,因為這真的是高規格的\n\n8\n00:02:26,707 --> 00:02:53,235\n的養豬的產業。是,感謝我們議長的臨時訪問。剛好這陣子這個收入金的考慮,我們台中市政府收入錢,我們中央的想法是有不同的。我可以跟你建議一項,因為我不相信台湯是私產地,我不相信。我相信議長也不相信。我也不相信我們國家會建這個收入金的資料,未來給我們的豬肉。\n\n9\n00:02:54,355 --> 00:02:54,695\n﹚丁學忠\n\n10\n00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,382\n我相信我們必須要讓國人知道一個真相,這我可以跟我們議長建議。\n\n11\n00:03:38,197 --> 00:03:38,617\n委員．丁學忠\n\n12\n00:04:25,654 --> 00:04:46,303\n我們有進口,我會知道新聞過的,我們有進口到一些法規黨的微博地、工廠消息,結果讓我們的食安單位查到是怎樣,他分座意大利豬,意大利豬分座港島的地,切片發貨規範給市民上,讓我們的民眾去買回來吃。這件事我相信議長你也知道,所以我會說,\n\n13\n00:04:53,966 --> 00:04:54,246\n﹚丁學忠\n\n14\n00:05:16,454 --> 00:05:24,963\n我跟委員報告,你的建議是一個很好的,可以說那塊地也到底是台灣的地還是美國的地還是外國的地。但是因為我們台灣,我們現在的土地、市場、土宅、分層、市場\n\n15\n00:05:36,596 --> 00:05:39,518\n議長,議長所說的我都認同,我都認同,我們台灣在經過的留情安全的這個適用方式,我都認同,但是就是有出問題。\n\n16\n00:06:03,590 --> 00:06:08,955\n有出問題,我們是針對問題來解決。這五分鐘麻煩議長在研議一下。這不是重點,重點我是要介紹我們雲林的影響組。議員說,如果台中的力氣有低,\n\n17\n00:06:21,187 --> 00:06:32,841\n已經發生這個問題,我們想可以參考我們訓練的用電腦搜取出來的這個地方的三分,我相信一定會比較好。好來我現在訓練\n\n18\n00:06:35,885 --> 00:06:39,146\n我相信這幾年來,我們中央立委比較慷慨去講到的議題﹖我相信這幾年來,我們中央立委比較慷慨去講到的議題﹖\n\n19\n00:06:58,934 --> 00:06:59,555\n臨時發言委員：丁學忠\n\n20\n00:07:14,994 --> 00:07:21,959\n現在面對這麼多種的問題,黨軍農民意圖農業這塊這麼堅持在刮手中,所以當天我們高軍委員有去講到,我們這個公糧收購的問題,不知道我們院長你的感覺如何?\n\n21\n00:07:34,449 --> 00:07:36,691\n今天委員對農民的關心\n\n22\n00:07:53,680 --> 00:08:08,632\n我相信大家都希望說我們中央有做得更好的收入,這是我們都一定要想的。不過對於公牛來的,我們一直要蓋基準,我們100年那時候的經驗,100年那時候蓋3戶跟2戶的香港匯,結果5戶蓋下去以後,本來的中足的面積,本來差不多24萬公頃變成27萬公頃,結果\n\n23\n00:08:19,341 --> 00:08:26,268\n主席就說我們現在的公牛外面的收的價值要降價下去因為我們現在公牛的收的只有減30%而已剩下70%都是我們一些私人的收的紐價所以我是希望說私人收的紐價會越來越高\n\n24\n00:08:40,503 --> 00:08:52,110\n所以我們現在用我們會倒座四選三的時候,我們現在在控制,我們把地方的面積控制到23萬至24萬公頃。阿這個23萬至24萬公頃的這個水準裡面,我們的樹林的收入已經到每百台幣一千三百塊。已經超過我們的...進走面積,進走面積我們有辦法控制嗎?\n\n25\n00:09:03,836 --> 00:09:16,439\n以我們現在的倒座四選三,以及灌溉輪座的方式,可以控制到23至24。你現在說工人會介紹到休館起來的時候,很多人就起下去請。起下去請的時候,面積就休館起來了,就降價了。\n\n26\n00:09:26,022 --> 00:09:39,512\n我們不是每天都有事項進水中,不是這樣,因為水溫比較強烈的土地,他怎麼知道進水中。所以這個國分,要怎麼來控制這個量,可能我們都不知,我們可能也是有辦法,有研議一些方式,有辦法來控制這個範圍,這個進水中的範圍。\n\n27\n00:09:52,262 --> 00:10:03,707\n因為為什麼?我們已經12年沒有調整了。這12年當中,我們薪水有1萬7千多塊基金薪水啦。1萬7千多調整到現在已經2萬7千多了。我們所謂不計算法是已經調整14個月了。當然我們這個農園,因為你要知道,牛也起雞。牛也起雞,生豬也起雞。\n\n28\n00:10:19,593 --> 00:10:19,894\n：丁學忠\n\n29\n00:10:40,299 --> 00:10:45,922\n我跟委員報告,我們一定會去做一個整體的規劃,讓我們中央裡面的收益比較高,以今年的歷期做的時候,\n\n30\n00:10:58,610 --> 00:11:01,311\n我們會有一個更好的一個評估。\n\n31\n00:11:19,341 --> 00:11:22,282\n我們讓我們的農業部來辯骨一下,看怎麼樣,供量好,飼料好,都可以檢測,這實在是很麻煩。\n\n32\n00:11:38,248 --> 00:11:46,298\n您在我們婚姻選舉,您都拿了很多冠票。您都拿了很多冠票。總統選舉都拿了很多冠票。照您說,您要對我們婚姻,我們這裡的農民,我們這裡所有的建設,要對我們比較好才對。我相信,我相信,\n\n33\n00:11:58,692 --> 00:12:00,193\n發言委員：丁學忠發言委員：丁學忠\n\n34\n00:12:21,207 --> 00:12:41,905\n您有辦法給我們一個委員卡的一個答案嗎?我希望給我們農業部來幾位。我要向委員報告因為接近老總統他還是會怕到這個小英總統的落選。所以說我們的施政一定是會有連續的。更重要的就是說這個\n\n35\n00:12:44,887 --> 00:12:45,567\n我們可以逐年逐一來條件,因為我們現在有錢\n\n36\n00:13:06,394 --> 00:13:18,060\n我們有在這個範圍內,我們逐年逐一來調整啊,至少有辦法說,我們政府,我們當初總統的政府,因為留任啊,進行,讓我們農民,登記以來支持我們民進黨,這些農民,讓他們有得,立場上當,讓他們一個民黨的那個感覺。對啊,當你們在留任、進行,你們有辦法調整就好了。\n\n37\n00:13:32,927 --> 00:13:38,292\n我會認真來顧及認真來發表,希望能夠達到這個委員的要求。對啦,很麻煩的啦。對啦,因為你有可能到有可能,但是我還有4年的時間。\n\n38\n00:13:48,941 --> 00:13:59,047\n對呀,這件事我是一定委託,委託我們農民的管理我絕對會委託。還有一項,我們這個天然災害補助條例,我們這個條例到現在已經三十幾年了,其中有經過差不多將近十個的修改內容,每一項有修改的就是人工勘災。\n\n39\n00:14:13,874 --> 00:14:14,134\n人工勘測．．．．．．\n\n40\n00:14:32,722 --> 00:14:40,166\n我們現在的論壇,我們這個論壇教你講這個天然災害,我們不能再用這個零工砍災。我在這裡要跟佛教請教一下,說叫你去看那區分,那區分裏面說損失20%,你看得出來嗎?\n\n41\n00:14:49,932 --> 00:15:11,355\n我向委員報告,第一點就是說,現在的規定是20%都是工作,以及街上的專家去看,看在20%之下。我向委員報告,我們現在已經有用開發一種用手機及協商的部分,以及配合無人機去勘災的部分,來協助這個人工的勘災。\n\n42\n00:15:12,276 --> 00:15:13,496\n所以我直接要跟大家報告\n\n43\n00:15:34,881 --> 00:15:57,896\n其實我們本人都是人,他們不是因為要補助,不是這樣。但是人遇到,我們現在有很多的企業,只有這個農作業介紹沒有穩定的狀況。派人去遇到我們這個天然災害,我們中央照理說要重擁、重寬、重建的方式來對抗我們這個天然災害的過程。\n\n44\n00:16:28,055 --> 00:16:34,460\n我看我跟委員報告,那小選颱風因為它的檢控啦檢控出來有一些延遲性的受損,就是說你當下看不出來說它有受損,不過你差不多一禮拜、兩禮拜以後,它才會慢慢地打起來\n\n45\n00:16:49,531 --> 00:16:59,657\n所以這個小選臺方是比較特例,就是說有緣分的部分會造成一些延遲性的災損。所以我現在在說的就是這樣,就是這樣,我們既然我們了解到我們這次的方針有去造成到我們這個天然災害,還有一項臨間抗災,我現在在說臨間抗災就是什麼?\n\n46\n00:17:13,906 --> 00:17:28,271\n我們的工作是做第一屆,第一屆來推我們農業部來臺灣地區收集我們農民的資料。是。是,它是第一,要再去跨省的省市至20%才可以推人上京,是這樣。\n\n47\n00:17:29,031 --> 00:17:52,588\n我跟委員報告,現在稍微有改革,就是說若有一些天然災害來的時候,我們的施政單位會第一層去看,你若看有一些普遍性的災害的時候,我們農業部就主動公告,就不用叫地方政府來申請再來公告,這個會加快大概5天的時間。那是說基中有可能發生更加嚴重的啦,我是希望啦,\n\n48\n00:17:56,030 --> 00:17:56,190\n﹚丁學忠﹚\n\n49\n00:18:18,422 --> 00:18:26,210\n瞭解到說,這個區域上只要放縮、給水量,若有特徵,我們這個天然災補助的一個條例,我們是會用全面上全面來補助。我們會去做成就農民和基層公所的販輸領域的給分。你們知道這個小錢颱風,\n\n50\n00:18:38,181 --> 00:18:41,845\n這次小園颱風剛好遇到孫綺綺啦,剛好遇到孫綺綺,既然有發動人選黨農民去公訴要抗議,公訴都在這個在下過程中不犯規,是公訴都要照我們農業部的規定來做。\n\n51\n00:18:57,341 --> 00:19:11,027\n是否如此?對阿,既然我們公訴對到我們論壇的規定,他們盡忠職守,他們非常認真照我們的規定去做,既然讓人來論壇,會讓人來做這個選舉、政績的一個操作,我們要把論壇做小的,說什麼錢都要在公訴,公訴錢都要我負責論壇,\n\n52\n00:19:40,049 --> 00:19:59,184\n我希望,我們對這個天然災的保守條例,一定要事實來做修改。一定要事實來做修改,不可以再用這個人工勘測,我們中央決定的政策,我們中央自己來發布,我們中央來承擔。如果有什麼考慮,在地上,中央來承擔,這樣好不好?\n\n53\n00:20:00,825 --> 00:20:29,441\n我向委員報告我們的天然災害救助方法一直在滾動修改在第一點第二點就是說我們現在已經盡量減少一些人工勘栽已經目前已經差不多高了因為有一些人工勘栽用氣象參數的他要有一些比較客觀的科學數據就是說像紗白魚你如果超過十多二十四點鐘的時候你就不用看了我就知道說他一定是我們挑起的所以\n\n54\n00:20:29,741 --> 00:20:34,283\n希望啦,希望,我們可以教說我們現在先進的科技的技術,可以好好來運用,我們現在就都一直在說農業智慧,\n\n55\n00:20:56,790 --> 00:21:11,182\n科技、科技農業、科技漁業,我們就一直開始一直在推廣這啊。為什麼就只有這個判斷,就要組成農民和基層工作人員,組成協同的一個糾紛。這真的,我做定調起來我會知道,那真的遇到的時候,有時候農民的認定和工作人員的認定完全不同。\n\n56\n00:21:20,834 --> 00:21:28,470\n對呀,當然他們是有他的管理,但是那個公所的管事人員,他是有的來修緩。\n\n57\n00:21:29,591 --> 00:21:41,920\n所以我們要顧農民的管理,我們要顧我們官工的這個法令,他們要去考慮這個法令的事情。這真的造成了很大的困擾。所以我們如果用這個科技來看齋,專研型的實施,不管黨黨合、非合,來對用這個科技看齋,專研型實施絕對有很大的困擾。而且還有發動特調我們的從事從寬從幼。\n\n58\n00:21:58,511 --> 00:22:04,117\n的這個過程的一個要領。我也是要說,我們農民用農藥保險,因為農藥保險都不用勘測啦。現在有27項的平衡,54張的保單,用這個都不用勘測,你到時候三年期你就不會了。\n\n59\n00:22:22,093 --> 00:22:35,840\n好,這個部分再拜託我們農業部再繼續嚴厲,我們是要持續的進步,我們不要在原地踏風,這樣好不好?好,再來針對我們這個水利費的部分啦,水利費現在稍等要公佑啦,問題之前我們都聽到很多聲音,以前水利費每一年都有兩個月的經費,可以下去給我們農民修繕,他們的農水樓,都可以修繕農水樓,現在稍等要公佑,\n\n60\n00:22:50,487 --> 00:23:16,099\n你可以贏,自己開車,人家又整頓水庫,人家又不用水庫人員,你自己開車去我們訓練的主理站看。我們那裡的員工想你贏贏,大家贏贏有事情好做。而且怎樣?你跟人家說過去只要水路、水海、熱水走,跟我們主理站說,我們主理站那裡就有辦法發揮到他們的共鳴聲,我相信來協助的都有人。現在不是,現在都沒有。\n\n61\n00:23:19,341 --> 00:23:27,448\n我向委員報告,你剛才說的經費從過去水利費的時代到現在我們農水水的時代,那個經費從40多億變成每年127億,在第一天,我們的經費增加在那裡冠區增加,第二部分就是說,你剛才說的這些巨數的施政：丁學忠\n\n62\n00:23:45,953 --> 00:23:51,517\n就要聽一個人的話,要去怪討一個人。這個完全不是事實。我相信是事實。未來會不會這樣發生?未來將對我們分明關這個農水路的改善,你會如何讓我們有辦法適度、比較多資源來改善我們的農水路?\n\n63\n00:24:10,492 --> 00:24:14,054\n我知你講的這些我都知啦。阿未來呢?未來主委會更多嗎?\n\n64\n00:24:36,367 --> 00:25:05,306\n我剛才講的齁,現在的租金全屆期的水利額是在40幾億,現在變27億,平均一年一百二十七億,另外我們有意好特別預算喔。那個,那個,那個,否定喔,你講的,可能在這裡以前這是全國性還是只有福林關而已啊?喔,全國性的。全國性福林關,你知道分配在哪裡?沒有,啊這個分配就是看各地方的郡路要不要修理,齁,這個會去,我們每年都會有,有統計啦,每個地區沒什麼工啦。\n\n65\n00:25:06,668 --> 00:25:07,469\n發言委員．丁學忠\n\n66\n00:25:14,144 --> 00:25:26,313\n未來只要我們分明館只要這個農水路的輸給啦有輸給啦,借位補起來,我希望我們國庭出行都要轉入來幫你做什麼。我會軍心來幫你拜託。對啦,因為我可以退營。這個補份再拜託一下。好,再來我要請教我們議長,我們現在是運營比較重要還是廠商的利益比較重要?\n\n67\n00:25:42,005 --> 00:25:54,616\n我認為兩邊都要兼顧,尤其是整個國家的發展,我們有需要政府和民間做的來合作。我現在要跟議長報告的就是這樣,我們現在高屋鄉這個社區的生育層、這個県電層\n\n68\n00:26:03,336 --> 00:26:07,557\n臨時提案時間臨時提案時間臨時提案時間臨時提案時間臨時提案時間臨時提案時間臨時提案\n\n69\n00:26:32,822 --> 00:26:38,448\n對這件案件來做最重要的一個抗議。還有一項,我聽過說假地開說明會以地來施工,政府臨時在假地開說明會以地施工。\n\n70\n00:26:53,704 --> 00:26:56,126\n我跟委員報告他確實已經開了兩次的說明會那對地方的這些疑慮其實也都有說明那變電站這個環境的風險\n\n71\n00:27:10,576 --> 00:27:31,544\n但是,但是他的程序就是有不符合啊,假定開會議定是說,當天我到這裏的人我完全不知道要做這件事,結果是去跟六公里以外的政策去開社運會,那些社運會那些人說出事,去請人家沒人情要去請人家請請人,回來,完全我們這政策的人完全沒人去,這樣就尊崇。\n\n72\n00:27:35,081 --> 00:27:44,611\n這樣可以遵守嗎?我們要確定他的說明會開後有合法嗎?就是這樣怎麼會有合法?這樣就是完全的合法啊!當我們台灣比較好要做的工作,叫你說你要來說明給我知道說你這是要做什麼,未來就是要做什麼,做起來會怎麼樣?\n\n73\n00:28:18,391 --> 00:28:30,074\n相信,相信,我們的經營有他們的管理,跟這個要求在控制。我相信我跟這案你互相了解。他們發展這個再生能源,讓地鐵更多,我們當然是支持。我們分離關,我們分離關事節都要大關,現在我們整個考核,\n\n74\n00:28:46,178 --> 00:29:08,932\n那位做2500多個這個利潤專區沒有不是這個樣子不是這個樣子對所以委員這樣的講法要看這個地區因為如果是在我們原來共產區那邊那只是同一個發展你用一個像是地地利啦福利跟專區啦只要用這個講法就給位很多人了我告訴你欸不對告訴你你是要去德雲你不是去德雲回鄉喔\n\n75\n00:29:12,915 --> 00:29:21,981\n我跟委員補講,你剛才說的這個我們的專區裡面,漁電工廠裡面兩萬九百五千,基中有在做光電的兩千多公頃而已,沒有到兩萬多,第二點你剛才說的滴滴地區裡面有兩千一百六十二公頃,基中有大概六百多公頃去做漁電,就是做這個光電的地方,所以不是說所有的東西都去做這個,\n\n76\n00:29:42,884 --> 00:29:51,415\n所以我現在要講的意思是我們不要只想著我們要做什麼,我們就要做什麼。你要去地方,去了解到地方的人。\n\n77\n00:29:53,559 --> 00:30:06,332\n他們對我們的事情他們有認同,而且我們管政府他們對地方比較了解啊,公訴對地方比較了解,我們只要我們更強,我們希望說這個地方會做什麼,我們可以找管政府找地方公訴,做的機會康,在國中方面的一個認同。\n\n78\n00:30:33,735 --> 00:30:40,822\n謝謝丁委員學忠的質詢。接下來我們請登記第十位黃委員三三質詢。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n282\t2686\t還有我們陳建良院長麻煩請陳院長備詢\n8732\t29351\t丁學忠、郭先生、董事長、李委員市長,我剛才看到三個例子。第一次當候委員的時候,我做代表會主席的時候,運動社會院議長、副議員的時候,你有去跟他談。第二次就是我做病長的時候,我們黨無法聊天文潮。\n31673\t42142\t還在討論的時候,你有沒有去關心?是,我也是,你也記得?對,三、2月27時再回家啦。知道說上禮拜我們議長啦,針對到我們這個瘦肉清,以及我們這個大陸漁船這兩航宿航,有可能像我們一些我們立院的一些同事,\n55881\t71250\t言語上有一些比較衝動,我知道上禮拜會在吃飽也吃很多,所以我們今天用開講的方式,這樣好不好?我一向親民氣和,我也覺得委員很重視婚禮的整個發展。\n79315\t89461\t對呀,我在這裏探討這個機會,探討這陣燒肉精的情況。我為大家探討這個機會來欣賞我們的婚姻的影響力。我們的婚姻影響力,是當我們這裡用一股大家用先進的技術來飼養出來我們這裡最健康的豬。而且,我們的婚姻受到我們中央政府的關注之時,我們也是全國第一的\n108812\t112957\t當非洲豬瘟疫情頭頂,我們第一次拒絕用處理來刺激的第一次。所以確實有來阻擋到我們這個非洲豬瘟,這應該大家都了解。\n126734\t137641\t我相信院長對我們中內政管政的施政應該是這樣,我們知道了。對,我們他們的主任和管政部在對這個主任的照顧,我們都有感覺到很認真、很努力,也做得很好。像你在下面,因為這真的是高規格的\n146707\t173235\t的養豬的產業。是,感謝我們議長的臨時訪問。剛好這陣子這個收入金的考慮,我們台中市政府收入錢,我們中央的想法是有不同的。我可以跟你建議一項,因為我不相信台湯是私產地,我不相信。我相信議長也不相信。我也不相信我們國家會建這個收入金的資料,未來給我們的豬肉。\n174355\t174695\t﹚丁學忠\n196440\t198382\t我相信我們必須要讓國人知道一個真相,這我可以跟我們議長建議。\n218197\t218617\t委員．丁學忠\n248097\t265094\t﹗\n265654\t286303\t我們有進口,我會知道新聞過的,我們有進口到一些法規黨的微博地、工廠消息,結果讓我們的食安單位查到是怎樣,他分座意大利豬,意大利豬分座港島的地,切片發貨規範給市民上,讓我們的民眾去買回來吃。這件事我相信議長你也知道,所以我會說,\n293966\t294246\t﹚丁學忠\n316454\t324963\t我跟委員報告,你的建議是一個很好的,可以說那塊地也到底是台灣的地還是美國的地還是外國的地。但是因為我們台灣,我們現在的土地、市場、土宅、分層、市場\n336596\t339518\t議長,議長所說的我都認同,我都認同,我們台灣在經過的留情安全的這個適用方式,我都認同,但是就是有出問題。\n363590\t368955\t有出問題,我們是針對問題來解決。這五分鐘麻煩議長在研議一下。這不是重點,重點我是要介紹我們雲林的影響組。議員說,如果台中的力氣有低,\n381187\t392841\t已經發生這個問題,我們想可以參考我們訓練的用電腦搜取出來的這個地方的三分,我相信一定會比較好。好來我現在訓練\n395885\t399146\t我相信這幾年來,我們中央立委比較慷慨去講到的議題﹖我相信這幾年來,我們中央立委比較慷慨去講到的議題﹖\n418934\t419555\t臨時發言委員：丁學忠\n434994\t441959\t現在面對這麼多種的問題,黨軍農民意圖農業這塊這麼堅持在刮手中,所以當天我們高軍委員有去講到,我們這個公糧收購的問題,不知道我們院長你的感覺如何?\n454449\t456691\t今天委員對農民的關心\n473680\t488632\t我相信大家都希望說我們中央有做得更好的收入,這是我們都一定要想的。不過對於公牛來的,我們一直要蓋基準,我們100年那時候的經驗,100年那時候蓋3戶跟2戶的香港匯,結果5戶蓋下去以後,本來的中足的面積,本來差不多24萬公頃變成27萬公頃,結果\n499341\t506268\t主席就說我們現在的公牛外面的收的價值要降價下去因為我們現在公牛的收的只有減30%而已剩下70%都是我們一些私人的收的紐價所以我是希望說私人收的紐價會越來越高\n520503\t532110\t所以我們現在用我們會倒座四選三的時候,我們現在在控制,我們把地方的面積控制到23萬至24萬公頃。阿這個23萬至24萬公頃的這個水準裡面,我們的樹林的收入已經到每百台幣一千三百塊。已經超過我們的...進走面積,進走面積我們有辦法控制嗎?\n543836\t556439\t以我們現在的倒座四選三,以及灌溉輪座的方式,可以控制到23至24。你現在說工人會介紹到休館起來的時候,很多人就起下去請。起下去請的時候,面積就休館起來了,就降價了。\n566022\t579512\t我們不是每天都有事項進水中,不是這樣,因為水溫比較強烈的土地,他怎麼知道進水中。所以這個國分,要怎麼來控制這個量,可能我們都不知,我們可能也是有辦法,有研議一些方式,有辦法來控制這個範圍,這個進水中的範圍。\n592262\t603707\t因為為什麼?我們已經12年沒有調整了。這12年當中,我們薪水有1萬7千多塊基金薪水啦。1萬7千多調整到現在已經2萬7千多了。我們所謂不計算法是已經調整14個月了。當然我們這個農園,因為你要知道,牛也起雞。牛也起雞,生豬也起雞。\n619593\t619894\t：丁學忠\n640299\t645922\t我跟委員報告,我們一定會去做一個整體的規劃,讓我們中央裡面的收益比較高,以今年的歷期做的時候,\n658610\t661311\t我們會有一個更好的一個評估。\n679341\t682282\t我們讓我們的農業部來辯骨一下,看怎麼樣,供量好,飼料好,都可以檢測,這實在是很麻煩。\n698248\t706298\t您在我們婚姻選舉,您都拿了很多冠票。您都拿了很多冠票。總統選舉都拿了很多冠票。照您說,您要對我們婚姻,我們這裡的農民,我們這裡所有的建設,要對我們比較好才對。我相信,我相信,\n718692\t720193\t發言委員：丁學忠發言委員：丁學忠\n741207\t761905\t您有辦法給我們一個委員卡的一個答案嗎?我希望給我們農業部來幾位。我要向委員報告因為接近老總統他還是會怕到這個小英總統的落選。所以說我們的施政一定是會有連續的。更重要的就是說這個\n764887\t765567\t我們可以逐年逐一來條件,因為我們現在有錢\n786394\t798060\t我們有在這個範圍內,我們逐年逐一來調整啊,至少有辦法說,我們政府,我們當初總統的政府,因為留任啊,進行,讓我們農民,登記以來支持我們民進黨,這些農民,讓他們有得,立場上當,讓他們一個民黨的那個感覺。對啊,當你們在留任、進行,你們有辦法調整就好了。\n812927\t818292\t我會認真來顧及認真來發表,希望能夠達到這個委員的要求。對啦,很麻煩的啦。對啦,因為你有可能到有可能,但是我還有4年的時間。\n828941\t839047\t對呀,這件事我是一定委託,委託我們農民的管理我絕對會委託。還有一項,我們這個天然災害補助條例,我們這個條例到現在已經三十幾年了,其中有經過差不多將近十個的修改內容,每一項有修改的就是人工勘災。\n853874\t854134\t人工勘測．．．．．．\n872722\t880166\t我們現在的論壇,我們這個論壇教你講這個天然災害,我們不能再用這個零工砍災。我在這裡要跟佛教請教一下,說叫你去看那區分,那區分裏面說損失20%,你看得出來嗎?\n889932\t911355\t我向委員報告,第一點就是說,現在的規定是20%都是工作,以及街上的專家去看,看在20%之下。我向委員報告,我們現在已經有用開發一種用手機及協商的部分,以及配合無人機去勘災的部分,來協助這個人工的勘災。\n912276\t913496\t所以我直接要跟大家報告\n934881\t957896\t其實我們本人都是人,他們不是因為要補助,不是這樣。但是人遇到,我們現在有很多的企業,只有這個農作業介紹沒有穩定的狀況。派人去遇到我們這個天然災害,我們中央照理說要重擁、重寬、重建的方式來對抗我們這個天然災害的過程。\n960367\t987995\t這……這……\n988055\t994460\t我看我跟委員報告,那小選颱風因為它的檢控啦檢控出來有一些延遲性的受損,就是說你當下看不出來說它有受損,不過你差不多一禮拜、兩禮拜以後,它才會慢慢地打起來\n1009531\t1019657\t所以這個小選臺方是比較特例,就是說有緣分的部分會造成一些延遲性的災損。所以我現在在說的就是這樣,就是這樣,我們既然我們了解到我們這次的方針有去造成到我們這個天然災害,還有一項臨間抗災,我現在在說臨間抗災就是什麼?\n1033906\t1048271\t我們的工作是做第一屆,第一屆來推我們農業部來臺灣地區收集我們農民的資料。是。是,它是第一,要再去跨省的省市至20%才可以推人上京,是這樣。\n1049031\t1072588\t我跟委員報告,現在稍微有改革,就是說若有一些天然災害來的時候,我們的施政單位會第一層去看,你若看有一些普遍性的災害的時候,我們農業部就主動公告,就不用叫地方政府來申請再來公告,這個會加快大概5天的時間。那是說基中有可能發生更加嚴重的啦,我是希望啦,\n1076030\t1076190\t﹚丁學忠﹚\n1098422\t1106210\t瞭解到說,這個區域上只要放縮、給水量,若有特徵,我們這個天然災補助的一個條例,我們是會用全面上全面來補助。我們會去做成就農民和基層公所的販輸領域的給分。你們知道這個小錢颱風,\n1118181\t1121845\t這次小園颱風剛好遇到孫綺綺啦,剛好遇到孫綺綺,既然有發動人選黨農民去公訴要抗議,公訴都在這個在下過程中不犯規,是公訴都要照我們農業部的規定來做。\n1137341\t1151027\t是否如此?對阿,既然我們公訴對到我們論壇的規定,他們盡忠職守,他們非常認真照我們的規定去做,既然讓人來論壇,會讓人來做這個選舉、政績的一個操作,我們要把論壇做小的,說什麼錢都要在公訴,公訴錢都要我負責論壇,\n1164189\t1179753\t﹗\n1180049\t1199184\t我希望,我們對這個天然災的保守條例,一定要事實來做修改。一定要事實來做修改,不可以再用這個人工勘測,我們中央決定的政策,我們中央自己來發布,我們中央來承擔。如果有什麼考慮,在地上,中央來承擔,這樣好不好?\n1200825\t1229441\t我向委員報告我們的天然災害救助方法一直在滾動修改在第一點第二點就是說我們現在已經盡量減少一些人工勘栽已經目前已經差不多高了因為有一些人工勘栽用氣象參數的他要有一些比較客觀的科學數據就是說像紗白魚你如果超過十多二十四點鐘的時候你就不用看了我就知道說他一定是我們挑起的所以\n1229741\t1234283\t希望啦,希望,我們可以教說我們現在先進的科技的技術,可以好好來運用,我們現在就都一直在說農業智慧,\n1256790\t1271182\t科技、科技農業、科技漁業,我們就一直開始一直在推廣這啊。為什麼就只有這個判斷,就要組成農民和基層工作人員,組成協同的一個糾紛。這真的,我做定調起來我會知道,那真的遇到的時候,有時候農民的認定和工作人員的認定完全不同。\n1280834\t1288470\t對呀,當然他們是有他的管理,但是那個公所的管事人員,他是有的來修緩。\n1289591\t1301920\t所以我們要顧農民的管理,我們要顧我們官工的這個法令,他們要去考慮這個法令的事情。這真的造成了很大的困擾。所以我們如果用這個科技來看齋,專研型的實施,不管黨黨合、非合,來對用這個科技看齋,專研型實施絕對有很大的困擾。而且還有發動特調我們的從事從寬從幼。\n1318511\t1324117\t的這個過程的一個要領。我也是要說,我們農民用農藥保險,因為農藥保險都不用勘測啦。現在有27項的平衡,54張的保單,用這個都不用勘測,你到時候三年期你就不會了。\n1342093\t1355840\t好,這個部分再拜託我們農業部再繼續嚴厲,我們是要持續的進步,我們不要在原地踏風,這樣好不好?好,再來針對我們這個水利費的部分啦,水利費現在稍等要公佑啦,問題之前我們都聽到很多聲音,以前水利費每一年都有兩個月的經費,可以下去給我們農民修繕,他們的農水樓,都可以修繕農水樓,現在稍等要公佑,\n1370487\t1396099\t你可以贏,自己開車,人家又整頓水庫,人家又不用水庫人員,你自己開車去我們訓練的主理站看。我們那裡的員工想你贏贏,大家贏贏有事情好做。而且怎樣?你跟人家說過去只要水路、水海、熱水走,跟我們主理站說,我們主理站那裡就有辦法發揮到他們的共鳴聲,我相信來協助的都有人。現在不是,現在都沒有。\n1399341\t1407448\t我向委員報告,你剛才說的經費從過去水利費的時代到現在我們農水水的時代,那個經費從40多億變成每年127億,在第一天,我們的經費增加在那裡冠區增加,第二部分就是說,你剛才說的這些巨數的施政：丁學忠\n1425953\t1431517\t就要聽一個人的話,要去怪討一個人。這個完全不是事實。我相信是事實。未來會不會這樣發生?未來將對我們分明關這個農水路的改善,你會如何讓我們有辦法適度、比較多資源來改善我們的農水路?\n1450492\t1454054\t我知你講的這些我都知啦。阿未來呢?未來主委會更多嗎?\n1476367\t1505306\t我剛才講的齁,現在的租金全屆期的水利額是在40幾億,現在變27億,平均一年一百二十七億,另外我們有意好特別預算喔。那個,那個,那個,否定喔,你講的,可能在這裡以前這是全國性還是只有福林關而已啊?喔,全國性的。全國性福林關,你知道分配在哪裡?沒有,啊這個分配就是看各地方的郡路要不要修理,齁,這個會去,我們每年都會有,有統計啦,每個地區沒什麼工啦。\n1506668\t1507469\t發言委員．丁學忠\n1514144\t1526313\t未來只要我們分明館只要這個農水路的輸給啦有輸給啦,借位補起來,我希望我們國庭出行都要轉入來幫你做什麼。我會軍心來幫你拜託。對啦,因為我可以退營。這個補份再拜託一下。好,再來我要請教我們議長,我們現在是運營比較重要還是廠商的利益比較重要?\n1542005\t1554616\t我認為兩邊都要兼顧,尤其是整個國家的發展,我們有需要政府和民間做的來合作。我現在要跟議長報告的就是這樣,我們現在高屋鄉這個社區的生育層、這個県電層\n1563336\t1567557\t臨時提案時間臨時提案時間臨時提案時間臨時提案時間臨時提案時間臨時提案時間臨時提案\n1592822\t1598448\t對這件案件來做最重要的一個抗議。還有一項,我聽過說假地開說明會以地來施工,政府臨時在假地開說明會以地施工。\n1613704\t1616126\t我跟委員報告他確實已經開了兩次的說明會那對地方的這些疑慮其實也都有說明那變電站這個環境的風險\n1630576\t1651544\t但是,但是他的程序就是有不符合啊,假定開會議定是說,當天我到這裏的人我完全不知道要做這件事,結果是去跟六公里以外的政策去開社運會,那些社運會那些人說出事,去請人家沒人情要去請人家請請人,回來,完全我們這政策的人完全沒人去,這樣就尊崇。\n1655081\t1664611\t這樣可以遵守嗎?我們要確定他的說明會開後有合法嗎?就是這樣怎麼會有合法?這樣就是完全的合法啊!當我們台灣比較好要做的工作,叫你說你要來說明給我知道說你這是要做什麼,未來就是要做什麼,做起來會怎麼樣?\n1675862\t1698251\t響鐘響鐘\n1698391\t1710074\t相信,相信,我們的經營有他們的管理,跟這個要求在控制。我相信我跟這案你互相了解。他們發展這個再生能源,讓地鐵更多,我們當然是支持。我們分離關,我們分離關事節都要大關,現在我們整個考核,\n1726178\t1748932\t那位做2500多個這個利潤專區沒有不是這個樣子不是這個樣子對所以委員這樣的講法要看這個地區因為如果是在我們原來共產區那邊那只是同一個發展你用一個像是地地利啦福利跟專區啦只要用這個講法就給位很多人了我告訴你 欸不對 告訴你 你是要去德雲你不是去德雲回鄉喔\n1752915\t1761981\t我跟委員補講,你剛才說的這個我們的專區裡面,漁電工廠裡面兩萬九百五千,基中有在做光電的兩千多公頃而已,沒有到兩萬多,第二點你剛才說的滴滴地區裡面有兩千一百六十二公頃,基中有大概六百多公頃去做漁電,就是做這個光電的地方,所以不是說所有的東西都去做這個,\n1782884\t1791415\t所以我現在要講的意思是我們不要只想著我們要做什麼,我們就要做什麼。你要去地方,去了解到地方的人。\n1793559\t1806332\t他們對我們的事情他們有認同,而且我們管政府他們對地方比較了解啊,公訴對地方比較了解,我們只要我們更強,我們希望說這個地方會做什麼,我們可以找管政府找地方公訴,做的機會康,在國中方面的一個認同。\n1833735\t1840822\t謝謝丁委員學忠的質詢。接下來我們請登記第十位黃委員三三質詢。\n","txt":"還有我們陳建良院長麻煩請陳院長備詢\n丁學忠、郭先生、董事長、李委員市長,我剛才看到三個例子。第一次當候委員的時候,我做代表會主席的時候,運動社會院議長、副議員的時候,你有去跟他談。第二次就是我做病長的時候,我們黨無法聊天文潮。\n還在討論的時候,你有沒有去關心?是,我也是,你也記得?對,三、2月27時再回家啦。知道說上禮拜我們議長啦,針對到我們這個瘦肉清,以及我們這個大陸漁船這兩航宿航,有可能像我們一些我們立院的一些同事,\n言語上有一些比較衝動,我知道上禮拜會在吃飽也吃很多,所以我們今天用開講的方式,這樣好不好?我一向親民氣和,我也覺得委員很重視婚禮的整個發展。\n對呀,我在這裏探討這個機會,探討這陣燒肉精的情況。我為大家探討這個機會來欣賞我們的婚姻的影響力。我們的婚姻影響力,是當我們這裡用一股大家用先進的技術來飼養出來我們這裡最健康的豬。而且,我們的婚姻受到我們中央政府的關注之時,我們也是全國第一的\n當非洲豬瘟疫情頭頂,我們第一次拒絕用處理來刺激的第一次。所以確實有來阻擋到我們這個非洲豬瘟,這應該大家都了解。\n我相信院長對我們中內政管政的施政應該是這樣,我們知道了。對,我們他們的主任和管政部在對這個主任的照顧,我們都有感覺到很認真、很努力,也做得很好。像你在下面,因為這真的是高規格的\n的養豬的產業。是,感謝我們議長的臨時訪問。剛好這陣子這個收入金的考慮,我們台中市政府收入錢,我們中央的想法是有不同的。我可以跟你建議一項,因為我不相信台湯是私產地,我不相信。我相信議長也不相信。我也不相信我們國家會建這個收入金的資料,未來給我們的豬肉。\n﹚丁學忠\n我相信我們必須要讓國人知道一個真相,這我可以跟我們議長建議。\n委員．丁學忠\n﹗\n我們有進口,我會知道新聞過的,我們有進口到一些法規黨的微博地、工廠消息,結果讓我們的食安單位查到是怎樣,他分座意大利豬,意大利豬分座港島的地,切片發貨規範給市民上,讓我們的民眾去買回來吃。這件事我相信議長你也知道,所以我會說,\n﹚丁學忠\n我跟委員報告,你的建議是一個很好的,可以說那塊地也到底是台灣的地還是美國的地還是外國的地。但是因為我們台灣,我們現在的土地、市場、土宅、分層、市場\n議長,議長所說的我都認同,我都認同,我們台灣在經過的留情安全的這個適用方式,我都認同,但是就是有出問題。\n有出問題,我們是針對問題來解決。這五分鐘麻煩議長在研議一下。這不是重點,重點我是要介紹我們雲林的影響組。議員說,如果台中的力氣有低,\n已經發生這個問題,我們想可以參考我們訓練的用電腦搜取出來的這個地方的三分,我相信一定會比較好。好來我現在訓練\n我相信這幾年來,我們中央立委比較慷慨去講到的議題﹖我相信這幾年來,我們中央立委比較慷慨去講到的議題﹖\n臨時發言委員：丁學忠\n現在面對這麼多種的問題,黨軍農民意圖農業這塊這麼堅持在刮手中,所以當天我們高軍委員有去講到,我們這個公糧收購的問題,不知道我們院長你的感覺如何?\n今天委員對農民的關心\n我相信大家都希望說我們中央有做得更好的收入,這是我們都一定要想的。不過對於公牛來的,我們一直要蓋基準,我們100年那時候的經驗,100年那時候蓋3戶跟2戶的香港匯,結果5戶蓋下去以後,本來的中足的面積,本來差不多24萬公頃變成27萬公頃,結果\n主席就說我們現在的公牛外面的收的價值要降價下去因為我們現在公牛的收的只有減30%而已剩下70%都是我們一些私人的收的紐價所以我是希望說私人收的紐價會越來越高\n所以我們現在用我們會倒座四選三的時候,我們現在在控制,我們把地方的面積控制到23萬至24萬公頃。阿這個23萬至24萬公頃的這個水準裡面,我們的樹林的收入已經到每百台幣一千三百塊。已經超過我們的...進走面積,進走面積我們有辦法控制嗎?\n以我們現在的倒座四選三,以及灌溉輪座的方式,可以控制到23至24。你現在說工人會介紹到休館起來的時候,很多人就起下去請。起下去請的時候,面積就休館起來了,就降價了。\n我們不是每天都有事項進水中,不是這樣,因為水溫比較強烈的土地,他怎麼知道進水中。所以這個國分,要怎麼來控制這個量,可能我們都不知,我們可能也是有辦法,有研議一些方式,有辦法來控制這個範圍,這個進水中的範圍。\n因為為什麼?我們已經12年沒有調整了。這12年當中,我們薪水有1萬7千多塊基金薪水啦。1萬7千多調整到現在已經2萬7千多了。我們所謂不計算法是已經調整14個月了。當然我們這個農園,因為你要知道,牛也起雞。牛也起雞,生豬也起雞。\n：丁學忠\n我跟委員報告,我們一定會去做一個整體的規劃,讓我們中央裡面的收益比較高,以今年的歷期做的時候,\n我們會有一個更好的一個評估。\n我們讓我們的農業部來辯骨一下,看怎麼樣,供量好,飼料好,都可以檢測,這實在是很麻煩。\n您在我們婚姻選舉,您都拿了很多冠票。您都拿了很多冠票。總統選舉都拿了很多冠票。照您說,您要對我們婚姻,我們這裡的農民,我們這裡所有的建設,要對我們比較好才對。我相信,我相信,\n發言委員：丁學忠發言委員：丁學忠\n您有辦法給我們一個委員卡的一個答案嗎?我希望給我們農業部來幾位。我要向委員報告因為接近老總統他還是會怕到這個小英總統的落選。所以說我們的施政一定是會有連續的。更重要的就是說這個\n我們可以逐年逐一來條件,因為我們現在有錢\n我們有在這個範圍內,我們逐年逐一來調整啊,至少有辦法說,我們政府,我們當初總統的政府,因為留任啊,進行,讓我們農民,登記以來支持我們民進黨,這些農民,讓他們有得,立場上當,讓他們一個民黨的那個感覺。對啊,當你們在留任、進行,你們有辦法調整就好了。\n我會認真來顧及認真來發表,希望能夠達到這個委員的要求。對啦,很麻煩的啦。對啦,因為你有可能到有可能,但是我還有4年的時間。\n對呀,這件事我是一定委託,委託我們農民的管理我絕對會委託。還有一項,我們這個天然災害補助條例,我們這個條例到現在已經三十幾年了,其中有經過差不多將近十個的修改內容,每一項有修改的就是人工勘災。\n人工勘測．．．．．．\n我們現在的論壇,我們這個論壇教你講這個天然災害,我們不能再用這個零工砍災。我在這裡要跟佛教請教一下,說叫你去看那區分,那區分裏面說損失20%,你看得出來嗎?\n我向委員報告,第一點就是說,現在的規定是20%都是工作,以及街上的專家去看,看在20%之下。我向委員報告,我們現在已經有用開發一種用手機及協商的部分,以及配合無人機去勘災的部分,來協助這個人工的勘災。\n所以我直接要跟大家報告\n其實我們本人都是人,他們不是因為要補助,不是這樣。但是人遇到,我們現在有很多的企業,只有這個農作業介紹沒有穩定的狀況。派人去遇到我們這個天然災害,我們中央照理說要重擁、重寬、重建的方式來對抗我們這個天然災害的過程。\n這……這……\n我看我跟委員報告,那小選颱風因為它的檢控啦檢控出來有一些延遲性的受損,就是說你當下看不出來說它有受損,不過你差不多一禮拜、兩禮拜以後,它才會慢慢地打起來\n所以這個小選臺方是比較特例,就是說有緣分的部分會造成一些延遲性的災損。所以我現在在說的就是這樣,就是這樣,我們既然我們了解到我們這次的方針有去造成到我們這個天然災害,還有一項臨間抗災,我現在在說臨間抗災就是什麼?\n我們的工作是做第一屆,第一屆來推我們農業部來臺灣地區收集我們農民的資料。是。是,它是第一,要再去跨省的省市至20%才可以推人上京,是這樣。\n我跟委員報告,現在稍微有改革,就是說若有一些天然災害來的時候,我們的施政單位會第一層去看,你若看有一些普遍性的災害的時候,我們農業部就主動公告,就不用叫地方政府來申請再來公告,這個會加快大概5天的時間。那是說基中有可能發生更加嚴重的啦,我是希望啦,\n﹚丁學忠﹚\n瞭解到說,這個區域上只要放縮、給水量,若有特徵,我們這個天然災補助的一個條例,我們是會用全面上全面來補助。我們會去做成就農民和基層公所的販輸領域的給分。你們知道這個小錢颱風,\n這次小園颱風剛好遇到孫綺綺啦,剛好遇到孫綺綺,既然有發動人選黨農民去公訴要抗議,公訴都在這個在下過程中不犯規,是公訴都要照我們農業部的規定來做。\n是否如此?對阿,既然我們公訴對到我們論壇的規定,他們盡忠職守,他們非常認真照我們的規定去做,既然讓人來論壇,會讓人來做這個選舉、政績的一個操作,我們要把論壇做小的,說什麼錢都要在公訴,公訴錢都要我負責論壇,\n﹗\n我希望,我們對這個天然災的保守條例,一定要事實來做修改。一定要事實來做修改,不可以再用這個人工勘測,我們中央決定的政策,我們中央自己來發布,我們中央來承擔。如果有什麼考慮,在地上,中央來承擔,這樣好不好?\n我向委員報告我們的天然災害救助方法一直在滾動修改在第一點第二點就是說我們現在已經盡量減少一些人工勘栽已經目前已經差不多高了因為有一些人工勘栽用氣象參數的他要有一些比較客觀的科學數據就是說像紗白魚你如果超過十多二十四點鐘的時候你就不用看了我就知道說他一定是我們挑起的所以\n希望啦,希望,我們可以教說我們現在先進的科技的技術,可以好好來運用,我們現在就都一直在說農業智慧,\n科技、科技農業、科技漁業,我們就一直開始一直在推廣這啊。為什麼就只有這個判斷,就要組成農民和基層工作人員,組成協同的一個糾紛。這真的,我做定調起來我會知道,那真的遇到的時候,有時候農民的認定和工作人員的認定完全不同。\n對呀,當然他們是有他的管理,但是那個公所的管事人員,他是有的來修緩。\n所以我們要顧農民的管理,我們要顧我們官工的這個法令,他們要去考慮這個法令的事情。這真的造成了很大的困擾。所以我們如果用這個科技來看齋,專研型的實施,不管黨黨合、非合,來對用這個科技看齋,專研型實施絕對有很大的困擾。而且還有發動特調我們的從事從寬從幼。\n的這個過程的一個要領。我也是要說,我們農民用農藥保險,因為農藥保險都不用勘測啦。現在有27項的平衡,54張的保單,用這個都不用勘測,你到時候三年期你就不會了。\n好,這個部分再拜託我們農業部再繼續嚴厲,我們是要持續的進步,我們不要在原地踏風,這樣好不好?好,再來針對我們這個水利費的部分啦,水利費現在稍等要公佑啦,問題之前我們都聽到很多聲音,以前水利費每一年都有兩個月的經費,可以下去給我們農民修繕,他們的農水樓,都可以修繕農水樓,現在稍等要公佑,\n你可以贏,自己開車,人家又整頓水庫,人家又不用水庫人員,你自己開車去我們訓練的主理站看。我們那裡的員工想你贏贏,大家贏贏有事情好做。而且怎樣?你跟人家說過去只要水路、水海、熱水走,跟我們主理站說,我們主理站那裡就有辦法發揮到他們的共鳴聲,我相信來協助的都有人。現在不是,現在都沒有。\n我向委員報告,你剛才說的經費從過去水利費的時代到現在我們農水水的時代,那個經費從40多億變成每年127億,在第一天,我們的經費增加在那裡冠區增加,第二部分就是說,你剛才說的這些巨數的施政：丁學忠\n就要聽一個人的話,要去怪討一個人。這個完全不是事實。我相信是事實。未來會不會這樣發生?未來將對我們分明關這個農水路的改善,你會如何讓我們有辦法適度、比較多資源來改善我們的農水路?\n我知你講的這些我都知啦。阿未來呢?未來主委會更多嗎?\n我剛才講的齁,現在的租金全屆期的水利額是在40幾億,現在變27億,平均一年一百二十七億,另外我們有意好特別預算喔。那個,那個,那個,否定喔,你講的,可能在這裡以前這是全國性還是只有福林關而已啊?喔,全國性的。全國性福林關,你知道分配在哪裡?沒有,啊這個分配就是看各地方的郡路要不要修理,齁,這個會去,我們每年都會有,有統計啦,每個地區沒什麼工啦。\n發言委員．丁學忠\n未來只要我們分明館只要這個農水路的輸給啦有輸給啦,借位補起來,我希望我們國庭出行都要轉入來幫你做什麼。我會軍心來幫你拜託。對啦,因為我可以退營。這個補份再拜託一下。好,再來我要請教我們議長,我們現在是運營比較重要還是廠商的利益比較重要?\n我認為兩邊都要兼顧,尤其是整個國家的發展,我們有需要政府和民間做的來合作。我現在要跟議長報告的就是這樣,我們現在高屋鄉這個社區的生育層、這個県電層\n臨時提案時間臨時提案時間臨時提案時間臨時提案時間臨時提案時間臨時提案時間臨時提案\n對這件案件來做最重要的一個抗議。還有一項,我聽過說假地開說明會以地來施工,政府臨時在假地開說明會以地施工。\n我跟委員報告他確實已經開了兩次的說明會那對地方的這些疑慮其實也都有說明那變電站這個環境的風險\n但是,但是他的程序就是有不符合啊,假定開會議定是說,當天我到這裏的人我完全不知道要做這件事,結果是去跟六公里以外的政策去開社運會,那些社運會那些人說出事,去請人家沒人情要去請人家請請人,回來,完全我們這政策的人完全沒人去,這樣就尊崇。\n這樣可以遵守嗎?我們要確定他的說明會開後有合法嗎?就是這樣怎麼會有合法?這樣就是完全的合法啊!當我們台灣比較好要做的工作,叫你說你要來說明給我知道說你這是要做什麼,未來就是要做什麼,做起來會怎麼樣?\n響鐘響鐘\n相信,相信,我們的經營有他們的管理,跟這個要求在控制。我相信我跟這案你互相了解。他們發展這個再生能源,讓地鐵更多,我們當然是支持。我們分離關,我們分離關事節都要大關,現在我們整個考核,\n那位做2500多個這個利潤專區沒有不是這個樣子不是這個樣子對所以委員這樣的講法要看這個地區因為如果是在我們原來共產區那邊那只是同一個發展你用一個像是地地利啦福利跟專區啦只要用這個講法就給位很多人了我告訴你 欸不對 告訴你 你是要去德雲你不是去德雲回鄉喔\n我跟委員補講,你剛才說的這個我們的專區裡面,漁電工廠裡面兩萬九百五千,基中有在做光電的兩千多公頃而已,沒有到兩萬多,第二點你剛才說的滴滴地區裡面有兩千一百六十二公頃,基中有大概六百多公頃去做漁電,就是做這個光電的地方,所以不是說所有的東西都去做這個,\n所以我現在要講的意思是我們不要只想著我們要做什麼,我們就要做什麼。你要去地方,去了解到地方的人。\n他們對我們的事情他們有認同,而且我們管政府他們對地方比較了解啊,公訴對地方比較了解,我們只要我們更強,我們希望說這個地方會做什麼,我們可以找管政府找地方公訴,做的機會康,在國中方面的一個認同。\n謝謝丁委員學忠的質詢。接下來我們請登記第十位黃委員三三質詢。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.282 --> 00:02.686\n還有我們陳建良院長麻煩請陳院長備詢\n\n00:08.732 --> 00:29.351\n丁學忠、郭先生、董事長、李委員市長,我剛才看到三個例子。第一次當候委員的時候,我做代表會主席的時候,運動社會院議長、副議員的時候,你有去跟他談。第二次就是我做病長的時候,我們黨無法聊天文潮。\n\n00:31.673 --> 00:42.142\n還在討論的時候,你有沒有去關心?是,我也是,你也記得?對,三、2月27時再回家啦。知道說上禮拜我們議長啦,針對到我們這個瘦肉清,以及我們這個大陸漁船這兩航宿航,有可能像我們一些我們立院的一些同事,\n\n00:55.881 --> 01:11.250\n言語上有一些比較衝動,我知道上禮拜會在吃飽也吃很多,所以我們今天用開講的方式,這樣好不好?我一向親民氣和,我也覺得委員很重視婚禮的整個發展。\n\n01:19.315 --> 01:29.461\n對呀,我在這裏探討這個機會,探討這陣燒肉精的情況。我為大家探討這個機會來欣賞我們的婚姻的影響力。我們的婚姻影響力,是當我們這裡用一股大家用先進的技術來飼養出來我們這裡最健康的豬。而且,我們的婚姻受到我們中央政府的關注之時,我們也是全國第一的\n\n01:48.812 --> 01:52.957\n當非洲豬瘟疫情頭頂,我們第一次拒絕用處理來刺激的第一次。所以確實有來阻擋到我們這個非洲豬瘟,這應該大家都了解。\n\n02:06.734 --> 02:17.641\n我相信院長對我們中內政管政的施政應該是這樣,我們知道了。對,我們他們的主任和管政部在對這個主任的照顧,我們都有感覺到很認真、很努力,也做得很好。像你在下面,因為這真的是高規格的\n\n02:26.707 --> 02:53.235\n的養豬的產業。是,感謝我們議長的臨時訪問。剛好這陣子這個收入金的考慮,我們台中市政府收入錢,我們中央的想法是有不同的。我可以跟你建議一項,因為我不相信台湯是私產地,我不相信。我相信議長也不相信。我也不相信我們國家會建這個收入金的資料,未來給我們的豬肉。\n\n02:54.355 --> 02:54.695\n﹚丁學忠\n\n03:16.440 --> 03:18.382\n我相信我們必須要讓國人知道一個真相,這我可以跟我們議長建議。\n\n03:38.197 --> 03:38.617\n委員．丁學忠\n\n04:25.654 --> 04:46.303\n我們有進口,我會知道新聞過的,我們有進口到一些法規黨的微博地、工廠消息,結果讓我們的食安單位查到是怎樣,他分座意大利豬,意大利豬分座港島的地,切片發貨規範給市民上,讓我們的民眾去買回來吃。這件事我相信議長你也知道,所以我會說,\n\n04:53.966 --> 04:54.246\n﹚丁學忠\n\n05:16.454 --> 05:24.963\n我跟委員報告,你的建議是一個很好的,可以說那塊地也到底是台灣的地還是美國的地還是外國的地。但是因為我們台灣,我們現在的土地、市場、土宅、分層、市場\n\n05:36.596 --> 05:39.518\n議長,議長所說的我都認同,我都認同,我們台灣在經過的留情安全的這個適用方式,我都認同,但是就是有出問題。\n\n06:03.590 --> 06:08.955\n有出問題,我們是針對問題來解決。這五分鐘麻煩議長在研議一下。這不是重點,重點我是要介紹我們雲林的影響組。議員說,如果台中的力氣有低,\n\n06:21.187 --> 06:32.841\n已經發生這個問題,我們想可以參考我們訓練的用電腦搜取出來的這個地方的三分,我相信一定會比較好。好來我現在訓練\n\n06:35.885 --> 06:39.146\n我相信這幾年來,我們中央立委比較慷慨去講到的議題﹖我相信這幾年來,我們中央立委比較慷慨去講到的議題﹖\n\n06:58.934 --> 06:59.555\n臨時發言委員：丁學忠\n\n07:14.994 --> 07:21.959\n現在面對這麼多種的問題,黨軍農民意圖農業這塊這麼堅持在刮手中,所以當天我們高軍委員有去講到,我們這個公糧收購的問題,不知道我們院長你的感覺如何?\n\n07:34.449 --> 07:36.691\n今天委員對農民的關心\n\n07:53.680 --> 08:08.632\n我相信大家都希望說我們中央有做得更好的收入,這是我們都一定要想的。不過對於公牛來的,我們一直要蓋基準,我們100年那時候的經驗,100年那時候蓋3戶跟2戶的香港匯,結果5戶蓋下去以後,本來的中足的面積,本來差不多24萬公頃變成27萬公頃,結果\n\n08:19.341 --> 08:26.268\n主席就說我們現在的公牛外面的收的價值要降價下去因為我們現在公牛的收的只有減30%而已剩下70%都是我們一些私人的收的紐價所以我是希望說私人收的紐價會越來越高\n\n08:40.503 --> 08:52.110\n所以我們現在用我們會倒座四選三的時候,我們現在在控制,我們把地方的面積控制到23萬至24萬公頃。阿這個23萬至24萬公頃的這個水準裡面,我們的樹林的收入已經到每百台幣一千三百塊。已經超過我們的...進走面積,進走面積我們有辦法控制嗎?\n\n09:03.836 --> 09:16.439\n以我們現在的倒座四選三,以及灌溉輪座的方式,可以控制到23至24。你現在說工人會介紹到休館起來的時候,很多人就起下去請。起下去請的時候,面積就休館起來了,就降價了。\n\n09:26.022 --> 09:39.512\n我們不是每天都有事項進水中,不是這樣,因為水溫比較強烈的土地,他怎麼知道進水中。所以這個國分,要怎麼來控制這個量,可能我們都不知,我們可能也是有辦法,有研議一些方式,有辦法來控制這個範圍,這個進水中的範圍。\n\n09:52.262 --> 10:03.707\n因為為什麼?我們已經12年沒有調整了。這12年當中,我們薪水有1萬7千多塊基金薪水啦。1萬7千多調整到現在已經2萬7千多了。我們所謂不計算法是已經調整14個月了。當然我們這個農園,因為你要知道,牛也起雞。牛也起雞,生豬也起雞。\n\n10:19.593 --> 10:19.894\n：丁學忠\n\n10:40.299 --> 10:45.922\n我跟委員報告,我們一定會去做一個整體的規劃,讓我們中央裡面的收益比較高,以今年的歷期做的時候,\n\n10:58.610 --> 11:01.311\n我們會有一個更好的一個評估。\n\n11:19.341 --> 11:22.282\n我們讓我們的農業部來辯骨一下,看怎麼樣,供量好,飼料好,都可以檢測,這實在是很麻煩。\n\n11:38.248 --> 11:46.298\n您在我們婚姻選舉,您都拿了很多冠票。您都拿了很多冠票。總統選舉都拿了很多冠票。照您說,您要對我們婚姻,我們這裡的農民,我們這裡所有的建設,要對我們比較好才對。我相信,我相信,\n\n11:58.692 --> 12:00.193\n發言委員：丁學忠發言委員：丁學忠\n\n12:21.207 --> 12:41.905\n您有辦法給我們一個委員卡的一個答案嗎?我希望給我們農業部來幾位。我要向委員報告因為接近老總統他還是會怕到這個小英總統的落選。所以說我們的施政一定是會有連續的。更重要的就是說這個\n\n12:44.887 --> 12:45.567\n我們可以逐年逐一來條件,因為我們現在有錢\n\n13:06.394 --> 13:18.060\n我們有在這個範圍內,我們逐年逐一來調整啊,至少有辦法說,我們政府,我們當初總統的政府,因為留任啊,進行,讓我們農民,登記以來支持我們民進黨,這些農民,讓他們有得,立場上當,讓他們一個民黨的那個感覺。對啊,當你們在留任、進行,你們有辦法調整就好了。\n\n13:32.927 --> 13:38.292\n我會認真來顧及認真來發表,希望能夠達到這個委員的要求。對啦,很麻煩的啦。對啦,因為你有可能到有可能,但是我還有4年的時間。\n\n13:48.941 --> 13:59.047\n對呀,這件事我是一定委託,委託我們農民的管理我絕對會委託。還有一項,我們這個天然災害補助條例,我們這個條例到現在已經三十幾年了,其中有經過差不多將近十個的修改內容,每一項有修改的就是人工勘災。\n\n14:13.874 --> 14:14.134\n人工勘測．．．．．．\n\n14:32.722 --> 14:40.166\n我們現在的論壇,我們這個論壇教你講這個天然災害,我們不能再用這個零工砍災。我在這裡要跟佛教請教一下,說叫你去看那區分,那區分裏面說損失20%,你看得出來嗎?\n\n14:49.932 --> 15:11.355\n我向委員報告,第一點就是說,現在的規定是20%都是工作,以及街上的專家去看,看在20%之下。我向委員報告,我們現在已經有用開發一種用手機及協商的部分,以及配合無人機去勘災的部分,來協助這個人工的勘災。\n\n15:12.276 --> 15:13.496\n所以我直接要跟大家報告\n\n15:34.881 --> 15:57.896\n其實我們本人都是人,他們不是因為要補助,不是這樣。但是人遇到,我們現在有很多的企業,只有這個農作業介紹沒有穩定的狀況。派人去遇到我們這個天然災害,我們中央照理說要重擁、重寬、重建的方式來對抗我們這個天然災害的過程。\n\n16:28.055 --> 16:34.460\n我看我跟委員報告,那小選颱風因為它的檢控啦檢控出來有一些延遲性的受損,就是說你當下看不出來說它有受損,不過你差不多一禮拜、兩禮拜以後,它才會慢慢地打起來\n\n16:49.531 --> 16:59.657\n所以這個小選臺方是比較特例,就是說有緣分的部分會造成一些延遲性的災損。所以我現在在說的就是這樣,就是這樣,我們既然我們了解到我們這次的方針有去造成到我們這個天然災害,還有一項臨間抗災,我現在在說臨間抗災就是什麼?\n\n17:13.906 --> 17:28.271\n我們的工作是做第一屆,第一屆來推我們農業部來臺灣地區收集我們農民的資料。是。是,它是第一,要再去跨省的省市至20%才可以推人上京,是這樣。\n\n17:29.031 --> 17:52.588\n我跟委員報告,現在稍微有改革,就是說若有一些天然災害來的時候,我們的施政單位會第一層去看,你若看有一些普遍性的災害的時候,我們農業部就主動公告,就不用叫地方政府來申請再來公告,這個會加快大概5天的時間。那是說基中有可能發生更加嚴重的啦,我是希望啦,\n\n17:56.030 --> 17:56.190\n﹚丁學忠﹚\n\n18:18.422 --> 18:26.210\n瞭解到說,這個區域上只要放縮、給水量,若有特徵,我們這個天然災補助的一個條例,我們是會用全面上全面來補助。我們會去做成就農民和基層公所的販輸領域的給分。你們知道這個小錢颱風,\n\n18:38.181 --> 18:41.845\n這次小園颱風剛好遇到孫綺綺啦,剛好遇到孫綺綺,既然有發動人選黨農民去公訴要抗議,公訴都在這個在下過程中不犯規,是公訴都要照我們農業部的規定來做。\n\n18:57.341 --> 19:11.027\n是否如此?對阿,既然我們公訴對到我們論壇的規定,他們盡忠職守,他們非常認真照我們的規定去做,既然讓人來論壇,會讓人來做這個選舉、政績的一個操作,我們要把論壇做小的,說什麼錢都要在公訴,公訴錢都要我負責論壇,\n\n19:40.049 --> 19:59.184\n我希望,我們對這個天然災的保守條例,一定要事實來做修改。一定要事實來做修改,不可以再用這個人工勘測,我們中央決定的政策,我們中央自己來發布,我們中央來承擔。如果有什麼考慮,在地上,中央來承擔,這樣好不好?\n\n20:00.825 --> 20:29.441\n我向委員報告我們的天然災害救助方法一直在滾動修改在第一點第二點就是說我們現在已經盡量減少一些人工勘栽已經目前已經差不多高了因為有一些人工勘栽用氣象參數的他要有一些比較客觀的科學數據就是說像紗白魚你如果超過十多二十四點鐘的時候你就不用看了我就知道說他一定是我們挑起的所以\n\n20:29.741 --> 20:34.283\n希望啦,希望,我們可以教說我們現在先進的科技的技術,可以好好來運用,我們現在就都一直在說農業智慧,\n\n20:56.790 --> 21:11.182\n科技、科技農業、科技漁業,我們就一直開始一直在推廣這啊。為什麼就只有這個判斷,就要組成農民和基層工作人員,組成協同的一個糾紛。這真的,我做定調起來我會知道,那真的遇到的時候,有時候農民的認定和工作人員的認定完全不同。\n\n21:20.834 --> 21:28.470\n對呀,當然他們是有他的管理,但是那個公所的管事人員,他是有的來修緩。\n\n21:29.591 --> 21:41.920\n所以我們要顧農民的管理,我們要顧我們官工的這個法令,他們要去考慮這個法令的事情。這真的造成了很大的困擾。所以我們如果用這個科技來看齋,專研型的實施,不管黨黨合、非合,來對用這個科技看齋,專研型實施絕對有很大的困擾。而且還有發動特調我們的從事從寬從幼。\n\n21:58.511 --> 22:04.117\n的這個過程的一個要領。我也是要說,我們農民用農藥保險,因為農藥保險都不用勘測啦。現在有27項的平衡,54張的保單,用這個都不用勘測,你到時候三年期你就不會了。\n\n22:22.093 --> 22:35.840\n好,這個部分再拜託我們農業部再繼續嚴厲,我們是要持續的進步,我們不要在原地踏風,這樣好不好?好,再來針對我們這個水利費的部分啦,水利費現在稍等要公佑啦,問題之前我們都聽到很多聲音,以前水利費每一年都有兩個月的經費,可以下去給我們農民修繕,他們的農水樓,都可以修繕農水樓,現在稍等要公佑,\n\n22:50.487 --> 23:16.099\n你可以贏,自己開車,人家又整頓水庫,人家又不用水庫人員,你自己開車去我們訓練的主理站看。我們那裡的員工想你贏贏,大家贏贏有事情好做。而且怎樣?你跟人家說過去只要水路、水海、熱水走,跟我們主理站說,我們主理站那裡就有辦法發揮到他們的共鳴聲,我相信來協助的都有人。現在不是,現在都沒有。\n\n23:19.341 --> 23:27.448\n我向委員報告,你剛才說的經費從過去水利費的時代到現在我們農水水的時代,那個經費從40多億變成每年127億,在第一天,我們的經費增加在那裡冠區增加,第二部分就是說,你剛才說的這些巨數的施政：丁學忠\n\n23:45.953 --> 23:51.517\n就要聽一個人的話,要去怪討一個人。這個完全不是事實。我相信是事實。未來會不會這樣發生?未來將對我們分明關這個農水路的改善,你會如何讓我們有辦法適度、比較多資源來改善我們的農水路?\n\n24:10.492 --> 24:14.054\n我知你講的這些我都知啦。阿未來呢?未來主委會更多嗎?\n\n24:36.367 --> 25:05.306\n我剛才講的齁,現在的租金全屆期的水利額是在40幾億,現在變27億,平均一年一百二十七億,另外我們有意好特別預算喔。那個,那個,那個,否定喔,你講的,可能在這裡以前這是全國性還是只有福林關而已啊?喔,全國性的。全國性福林關,你知道分配在哪裡?沒有,啊這個分配就是看各地方的郡路要不要修理,齁,這個會去,我們每年都會有,有統計啦,每個地區沒什麼工啦。\n\n25:06.668 --> 25:07.469\n發言委員．丁學忠\n\n25:14.144 --> 25:26.313\n未來只要我們分明館只要這個農水路的輸給啦有輸給啦,借位補起來,我希望我們國庭出行都要轉入來幫你做什麼。我會軍心來幫你拜託。對啦,因為我可以退營。這個補份再拜託一下。好,再來我要請教我們議長,我們現在是運營比較重要還是廠商的利益比較重要?\n\n25:42.005 --> 25:54.616\n我認為兩邊都要兼顧,尤其是整個國家的發展,我們有需要政府和民間做的來合作。我現在要跟議長報告的就是這樣,我們現在高屋鄉這個社區的生育層、這個県電層\n\n26:03.336 --> 26:07.557\n臨時提案時間臨時提案時間臨時提案時間臨時提案時間臨時提案時間臨時提案時間臨時提案\n\n26:32.822 --> 26:38.448\n對這件案件來做最重要的一個抗議。還有一項,我聽過說假地開說明會以地來施工,政府臨時在假地開說明會以地施工。\n\n26:53.704 --> 26:56.126\n我跟委員報告他確實已經開了兩次的說明會那對地方的這些疑慮其實也都有說明那變電站這個環境的風險\n\n27:10.576 --> 27:31.544\n但是,但是他的程序就是有不符合啊,假定開會議定是說,當天我到這裏的人我完全不知道要做這件事,結果是去跟六公里以外的政策去開社運會,那些社運會那些人說出事,去請人家沒人情要去請人家請請人,回來,完全我們這政策的人完全沒人去,這樣就尊崇。\n\n27:35.081 --> 27:44.611\n這樣可以遵守嗎?我們要確定他的說明會開後有合法嗎?就是這樣怎麼會有合法?這樣就是完全的合法啊!當我們台灣比較好要做的工作,叫你說你要來說明給我知道說你這是要做什麼,未來就是要做什麼,做起來會怎麼樣?\n\n28:18.391 --> 28:30.074\n相信,相信,我們的經營有他們的管理,跟這個要求在控制。我相信我跟這案你互相了解。他們發展這個再生能源,讓地鐵更多,我們當然是支持。我們分離關,我們分離關事節都要大關,現在我們整個考核,\n\n28:46.178 --> 29:08.932\n那位做2500多個這個利潤專區沒有不是這個樣子不是這個樣子對所以委員這樣的講法要看這個地區因為如果是在我們原來共產區那邊那只是同一個發展你用一個像是地地利啦福利跟專區啦只要用這個講法就給位很多人了我告訴你欸不對告訴你你是要去德雲你不是去德雲回鄉喔\n\n29:12.915 --> 29:21.981\n我跟委員補講,你剛才說的這個我們的專區裡面,漁電工廠裡面兩萬九百五千,基中有在做光電的兩千多公頃而已,沒有到兩萬多,第二點你剛才說的滴滴地區裡面有兩千一百六十二公頃,基中有大概六百多公頃去做漁電,就是做這個光電的地方,所以不是說所有的東西都去做這個,\n\n29:42.884 --> 29:51.415\n所以我現在要講的意思是我們不要只想著我們要做什麼,我們就要做什麼。你要去地方,去了解到地方的人。\n\n29:53.559 --> 30:06.332\n他們對我們的事情他們有認同,而且我們管政府他們對地方比較了解啊,公訴對地方比較了解,我們只要我們更強,我們希望說這個地方會做什麼,我們可以找管政府找地方公訴,做的機會康,在國中方面的一個認同。\n\n30:33.735 --> 30:40.822\n謝謝丁委員學忠的質詢。接下來我們請登記第十位黃委員三三質詢。\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.282,"end":2.686,"text":"還有我們陳建良院長麻煩請陳院長備詢"},{"start":8.732,"end":29.351,"text":"丁學忠、郭先生、董事長、李委員市長,我剛才看到三個例子。第一次當候委員的時候,我做代表會主席的時候,運動社會院議長、副議員的時候,你有去跟他談。第二次就是我做病長的時候,我們黨無法聊天文潮。"},{"start":31.673,"end":42.142,"text":"還在討論的時候,你有沒有去關心?是,我也是,你也記得?對,三、2月27時再回家啦。知道說上禮拜我們議長啦,針對到我們這個瘦肉清,以及我們這個大陸漁船這兩航宿航,有可能像我們一些我們立院的一些同事,"},{"start":55.881,"end":71.25,"text":"言語上有一些比較衝動,我知道上禮拜會在吃飽也吃很多,所以我們今天用開講的方式,這樣好不好?我一向親民氣和,我也覺得委員很重視婚禮的整個發展。"},{"start":79.315,"end":89.461,"text":"對呀,我在這裏探討這個機會,探討這陣燒肉精的情況。我為大家探討這個機會來欣賞我們的婚姻的影響力。我們的婚姻影響力,是當我們這裡用一股大家用先進的技術來飼養出來我們這裡最健康的豬。而且,我們的婚姻受到我們中央政府的關注之時,我們也是全國第一的"},{"start":108.812,"end":112.957,"text":"當非洲豬瘟疫情頭頂,我們第一次拒絕用處理來刺激的第一次。所以確實有來阻擋到我們這個非洲豬瘟,這應該大家都了解。"},{"start":126.734,"end":137.641,"text":"我相信院長對我們中內政管政的施政應該是這樣,我們知道了。對,我們他們的主任和管政部在對這個主任的照顧,我們都有感覺到很認真、很努力,也做得很好。像你在下面,因為這真的是高規格的"},{"start":146.707,"end":173.235,"text":"的養豬的產業。是,感謝我們議長的臨時訪問。剛好這陣子這個收入金的考慮,我們台中市政府收入錢,我們中央的想法是有不同的。我可以跟你建議一項,因為我不相信台湯是私產地,我不相信。我相信議長也不相信。我也不相信我們國家會建這個收入金的資料,未來給我們的豬肉。"},{"start":174.355,"end":174.695,"text":"﹚丁學忠"},{"start":196.44,"end":198.382,"text":"我相信我們必須要讓國人知道一個真相,這我可以跟我們議長建議。"},{"start":218.197,"end":218.617,"text":"委員．丁學忠"},{"start":248.097,"end":265.094,"text":"﹗"},{"start":265.654,"end":286.303,"text":"我們有進口,我會知道新聞過的,我們有進口到一些法規黨的微博地、工廠消息,結果讓我們的食安單位查到是怎樣,他分座意大利豬,意大利豬分座港島的地,切片發貨規範給市民上,讓我們的民眾去買回來吃。這件事我相信議長你也知道,所以我會說,"},{"start":293.966,"end":294.246,"text":"﹚丁學忠"},{"start":316.454,"end":324.963,"text":"我跟委員報告,你的建議是一個很好的,可以說那塊地也到底是台灣的地還是美國的地還是外國的地。但是因為我們台灣,我們現在的土地、市場、土宅、分層、市場"},{"start":336.596,"end":339.518,"text":"議長,議長所說的我都認同,我都認同,我們台灣在經過的留情安全的這個適用方式,我都認同,但是就是有出問題。"},{"start":363.59,"end":368.955,"text":"有出問題,我們是針對問題來解決。這五分鐘麻煩議長在研議一下。這不是重點,重點我是要介紹我們雲林的影響組。議員說,如果台中的力氣有低,"},{"start":381.187,"end":392.841,"text":"已經發生這個問題,我們想可以參考我們訓練的用電腦搜取出來的這個地方的三分,我相信一定會比較好。好來我現在訓練"},{"start":395.885,"end":399.146,"text":"我相信這幾年來,我們中央立委比較慷慨去講到的議題﹖我相信這幾年來,我們中央立委比較慷慨去講到的議題﹖"},{"start":418.934,"end":419.555,"text":"臨時發言委員：丁學忠"},{"start":434.994,"end":441.959,"text":"現在面對這麼多種的問題,黨軍農民意圖農業這塊這麼堅持在刮手中,所以當天我們高軍委員有去講到,我們這個公糧收購的問題,不知道我們院長你的感覺如何?"},{"start":454.449,"end":456.691,"text":"今天委員對農民的關心"},{"start":473.68,"end":488.632,"text":"我相信大家都希望說我們中央有做得更好的收入,這是我們都一定要想的。不過對於公牛來的,我們一直要蓋基準,我們100年那時候的經驗,100年那時候蓋3戶跟2戶的香港匯,結果5戶蓋下去以後,本來的中足的面積,本來差不多24萬公頃變成27萬公頃,結果"},{"start":499.341,"end":506.268,"text":"主席就說我們現在的公牛外面的收的價值要降價下去因為我們現在公牛的收的只有減30%而已剩下70%都是我們一些私人的收的紐價所以我是希望說私人收的紐價會越來越高"},{"start":520.503,"end":532.11,"text":"所以我們現在用我們會倒座四選三的時候,我們現在在控制,我們把地方的面積控制到23萬至24萬公頃。阿這個23萬至24萬公頃的這個水準裡面,我們的樹林的收入已經到每百台幣一千三百塊。已經超過我們的...進走面積,進走面積我們有辦法控制嗎?"},{"start":543.836,"end":556.439,"text":"以我們現在的倒座四選三,以及灌溉輪座的方式,可以控制到23至24。你現在說工人會介紹到休館起來的時候,很多人就起下去請。起下去請的時候,面積就休館起來了,就降價了。"},{"start":566.022,"end":579.512,"text":"我們不是每天都有事項進水中,不是這樣,因為水溫比較強烈的土地,他怎麼知道進水中。所以這個國分,要怎麼來控制這個量,可能我們都不知,我們可能也是有辦法,有研議一些方式,有辦法來控制這個範圍,這個進水中的範圍。"},{"start":592.262,"end":603.707,"text":"因為為什麼?我們已經12年沒有調整了。這12年當中,我們薪水有1萬7千多塊基金薪水啦。1萬7千多調整到現在已經2萬7千多了。我們所謂不計算法是已經調整14個月了。當然我們這個農園,因為你要知道,牛也起雞。牛也起雞,生豬也起雞。"},{"start":619.593,"end":619.894,"text":"：丁學忠"},{"start":640.299,"end":645.922,"text":"我跟委員報告,我們一定會去做一個整體的規劃,讓我們中央裡面的收益比較高,以今年的歷期做的時候,"},{"start":658.61,"end":661.311,"text":"我們會有一個更好的一個評估。"},{"start":679.341,"end":682.282,"text":"我們讓我們的農業部來辯骨一下,看怎麼樣,供量好,飼料好,都可以檢測,這實在是很麻煩。"},{"start":698.248,"end":706.298,"text":"您在我們婚姻選舉,您都拿了很多冠票。您都拿了很多冠票。總統選舉都拿了很多冠票。照您說,您要對我們婚姻,我們這裡的農民,我們這裡所有的建設,要對我們比較好才對。我相信,我相信,"},{"start":718.692,"end":720.193,"text":"發言委員：丁學忠發言委員：丁學忠"},{"start":741.207,"end":761.905,"text":"您有辦法給我們一個委員卡的一個答案嗎?我希望給我們農業部來幾位。我要向委員報告因為接近老總統他還是會怕到這個小英總統的落選。所以說我們的施政一定是會有連續的。更重要的就是說這個"},{"start":764.887,"end":765.567,"text":"我們可以逐年逐一來條件,因為我們現在有錢"},{"start":786.394,"end":798.06,"text":"我們有在這個範圍內,我們逐年逐一來調整啊,至少有辦法說,我們政府,我們當初總統的政府,因為留任啊,進行,讓我們農民,登記以來支持我們民進黨,這些農民,讓他們有得,立場上當,讓他們一個民黨的那個感覺。對啊,當你們在留任、進行,你們有辦法調整就好了。"},{"start":812.927,"end":818.292,"text":"我會認真來顧及認真來發表,希望能夠達到這個委員的要求。對啦,很麻煩的啦。對啦,因為你有可能到有可能,但是我還有4年的時間。"},{"start":828.941,"end":839.047,"text":"對呀,這件事我是一定委託,委託我們農民的管理我絕對會委託。還有一項,我們這個天然災害補助條例,我們這個條例到現在已經三十幾年了,其中有經過差不多將近十個的修改內容,每一項有修改的就是人工勘災。"},{"start":853.874,"end":854.134,"text":"人工勘測．．．．．．"},{"start":872.722,"end":880.166,"text":"我們現在的論壇,我們這個論壇教你講這個天然災害,我們不能再用這個零工砍災。我在這裡要跟佛教請教一下,說叫你去看那區分,那區分裏面說損失20%,你看得出來嗎?"},{"start":889.932,"end":911.355,"text":"我向委員報告,第一點就是說,現在的規定是20%都是工作,以及街上的專家去看,看在20%之下。我向委員報告,我們現在已經有用開發一種用手機及協商的部分,以及配合無人機去勘災的部分,來協助這個人工的勘災。"},{"start":912.276,"end":913.496,"text":"所以我直接要跟大家報告"},{"start":934.881,"end":957.896,"text":"其實我們本人都是人,他們不是因為要補助,不是這樣。但是人遇到,我們現在有很多的企業,只有這個農作業介紹沒有穩定的狀況。派人去遇到我們這個天然災害,我們中央照理說要重擁、重寬、重建的方式來對抗我們這個天然災害的過程。"},{"start":960.367,"end":987.995,"text":"這……這……"},{"start":988.055,"end":994.46,"text":"我看我跟委員報告,那小選颱風因為它的檢控啦檢控出來有一些延遲性的受損,就是說你當下看不出來說它有受損,不過你差不多一禮拜、兩禮拜以後,它才會慢慢地打起來"},{"start":1009.531,"end":1019.657,"text":"所以這個小選臺方是比較特例,就是說有緣分的部分會造成一些延遲性的災損。所以我現在在說的就是這樣,就是這樣,我們既然我們了解到我們這次的方針有去造成到我們這個天然災害,還有一項臨間抗災,我現在在說臨間抗災就是什麼?"},{"start":1033.906,"end":1048.271,"text":"我們的工作是做第一屆,第一屆來推我們農業部來臺灣地區收集我們農民的資料。是。是,它是第一,要再去跨省的省市至20%才可以推人上京,是這樣。"},{"start":1049.031,"end":1072.588,"text":"我跟委員報告,現在稍微有改革,就是說若有一些天然災害來的時候,我們的施政單位會第一層去看,你若看有一些普遍性的災害的時候,我們農業部就主動公告,就不用叫地方政府來申請再來公告,這個會加快大概5天的時間。那是說基中有可能發生更加嚴重的啦,我是希望啦,"},{"start":1076.03,"end":1076.19,"text":"﹚丁學忠﹚"},{"start":1098.422,"end":1106.21,"text":"瞭解到說,這個區域上只要放縮、給水量,若有特徵,我們這個天然災補助的一個條例,我們是會用全面上全面來補助。我們會去做成就農民和基層公所的販輸領域的給分。你們知道這個小錢颱風,"},{"start":1118.181,"end":1121.845,"text":"這次小園颱風剛好遇到孫綺綺啦,剛好遇到孫綺綺,既然有發動人選黨農民去公訴要抗議,公訴都在這個在下過程中不犯規,是公訴都要照我們農業部的規定來做。"},{"start":1137.341,"end":1151.027,"text":"是否如此?對阿,既然我們公訴對到我們論壇的規定,他們盡忠職守,他們非常認真照我們的規定去做,既然讓人來論壇,會讓人來做這個選舉、政績的一個操作,我們要把論壇做小的,說什麼錢都要在公訴,公訴錢都要我負責論壇,"},{"start":1164.189,"end":1179.753,"text":"﹗"},{"start":1180.049,"end":1199.184,"text":"我希望,我們對這個天然災的保守條例,一定要事實來做修改。一定要事實來做修改,不可以再用這個人工勘測,我們中央決定的政策,我們中央自己來發布,我們中央來承擔。如果有什麼考慮,在地上,中央來承擔,這樣好不好?"},{"start":1200.825,"end":1229.441,"text":"我向委員報告我們的天然災害救助方法一直在滾動修改在第一點第二點就是說我們現在已經盡量減少一些人工勘栽已經目前已經差不多高了因為有一些人工勘栽用氣象參數的他要有一些比較客觀的科學數據就是說像紗白魚你如果超過十多二十四點鐘的時候你就不用看了我就知道說他一定是我們挑起的所以"},{"start":1229.741,"end":1234.283,"text":"希望啦,希望,我們可以教說我們現在先進的科技的技術,可以好好來運用,我們現在就都一直在說農業智慧,"},{"start":1256.79,"end":1271.182,"text":"科技、科技農業、科技漁業,我們就一直開始一直在推廣這啊。為什麼就只有這個判斷,就要組成農民和基層工作人員,組成協同的一個糾紛。這真的,我做定調起來我會知道,那真的遇到的時候,有時候農民的認定和工作人員的認定完全不同。"},{"start":1280.834,"end":1288.47,"text":"對呀,當然他們是有他的管理,但是那個公所的管事人員,他是有的來修緩。"},{"start":1289.591,"end":1301.92,"text":"所以我們要顧農民的管理,我們要顧我們官工的這個法令,他們要去考慮這個法令的事情。這真的造成了很大的困擾。所以我們如果用這個科技來看齋,專研型的實施,不管黨黨合、非合,來對用這個科技看齋,專研型實施絕對有很大的困擾。而且還有發動特調我們的從事從寬從幼。"},{"start":1318.511,"end":1324.117,"text":"的這個過程的一個要領。我也是要說,我們農民用農藥保險,因為農藥保險都不用勘測啦。現在有27項的平衡,54張的保單,用這個都不用勘測,你到時候三年期你就不會了。"},{"start":1342.093,"end":1355.84,"text":"好,這個部分再拜託我們農業部再繼續嚴厲,我們是要持續的進步,我們不要在原地踏風,這樣好不好?好,再來針對我們這個水利費的部分啦,水利費現在稍等要公佑啦,問題之前我們都聽到很多聲音,以前水利費每一年都有兩個月的經費,可以下去給我們農民修繕,他們的農水樓,都可以修繕農水樓,現在稍等要公佑,"},{"start":1370.487,"end":1396.099,"text":"你可以贏,自己開車,人家又整頓水庫,人家又不用水庫人員,你自己開車去我們訓練的主理站看。我們那裡的員工想你贏贏,大家贏贏有事情好做。而且怎樣?你跟人家說過去只要水路、水海、熱水走,跟我們主理站說,我們主理站那裡就有辦法發揮到他們的共鳴聲,我相信來協助的都有人。現在不是,現在都沒有。"},{"start":1399.341,"end":1407.448,"text":"我向委員報告,你剛才說的經費從過去水利費的時代到現在我們農水水的時代,那個經費從40多億變成每年127億,在第一天,我們的經費增加在那裡冠區增加,第二部分就是說,你剛才說的這些巨數的施政：丁學忠"},{"start":1425.953,"end":1431.517,"text":"就要聽一個人的話,要去怪討一個人。這個完全不是事實。我相信是事實。未來會不會這樣發生?未來將對我們分明關這個農水路的改善,你會如何讓我們有辦法適度、比較多資源來改善我們的農水路?"},{"start":1450.492,"end":1454.054,"text":"我知你講的這些我都知啦。阿未來呢?未來主委會更多嗎?"},{"start":1476.367,"end":1505.306,"text":"我剛才講的齁,現在的租金全屆期的水利額是在40幾億,現在變27億,平均一年一百二十七億,另外我們有意好特別預算喔。那個,那個,那個,否定喔,你講的,可能在這裡以前這是全國性還是只有福林關而已啊?喔,全國性的。全國性福林關,你知道分配在哪裡?沒有,啊這個分配就是看各地方的郡路要不要修理,齁,這個會去,我們每年都會有,有統計啦,每個地區沒什麼工啦。"},{"start":1506.668,"end":1507.469,"text":"發言委員．丁學忠"},{"start":1514.144,"end":1526.313,"text":"未來只要我們分明館只要這個農水路的輸給啦有輸給啦,借位補起來,我希望我們國庭出行都要轉入來幫你做什麼。我會軍心來幫你拜託。對啦,因為我可以退營。這個補份再拜託一下。好,再來我要請教我們議長,我們現在是運營比較重要還是廠商的利益比較重要?"},{"start":1542.005,"end":1554.616,"text":"我認為兩邊都要兼顧,尤其是整個國家的發展,我們有需要政府和民間做的來合作。我現在要跟議長報告的就是這樣,我們現在高屋鄉這個社區的生育層、這個県電層"},{"start":1563.336,"end":1567.557,"text":"臨時提案時間臨時提案時間臨時提案時間臨時提案時間臨時提案時間臨時提案時間臨時提案"},{"start":1592.822,"end":1598.448,"text":"對這件案件來做最重要的一個抗議。還有一項,我聽過說假地開說明會以地來施工,政府臨時在假地開說明會以地施工。"},{"start":1613.704,"end":1616.126,"text":"我跟委員報告他確實已經開了兩次的說明會那對地方的這些疑慮其實也都有說明那變電站這個環境的風險"},{"start":1630.576,"end":1651.544,"text":"但是,但是他的程序就是有不符合啊,假定開會議定是說,當天我到這裏的人我完全不知道要做這件事,結果是去跟六公里以外的政策去開社運會,那些社運會那些人說出事,去請人家沒人情要去請人家請請人,回來,完全我們這政策的人完全沒人去,這樣就尊崇。"},{"start":1655.081,"end":1664.611,"text":"這樣可以遵守嗎?我們要確定他的說明會開後有合法嗎?就是這樣怎麼會有合法?這樣就是完全的合法啊!當我們台灣比較好要做的工作,叫你說你要來說明給我知道說你這是要做什麼,未來就是要做什麼,做起來會怎麼樣?"},{"start":1675.862,"end":1698.251,"text":"響鐘響鐘"},{"start":1698.391,"end":1710.074,"text":"相信,相信,我們的經營有他們的管理,跟這個要求在控制。我相信我跟這案你互相了解。他們發展這個再生能源,讓地鐵更多,我們當然是支持。我們分離關,我們分離關事節都要大關,現在我們整個考核,"},{"start":1726.178,"end":1748.932,"text":"那位做2500多個這個利潤專區沒有不是這個樣子不是這個樣子對所以委員這樣的講法要看這個地區因為如果是在我們原來共產區那邊那只是同一個發展你用一個像是地地利啦福利跟專區啦只要用這個講法就給位很多人了我告訴你 欸不對 告訴你 你是要去德雲你不是去德雲回鄉喔"},{"start":1752.915,"end":1761.981,"text":"我跟委員補講,你剛才說的這個我們的專區裡面,漁電工廠裡面兩萬九百五千,基中有在做光電的兩千多公頃而已,沒有到兩萬多,第二點你剛才說的滴滴地區裡面有兩千一百六十二公頃,基中有大概六百多公頃去做漁電,就是做這個光電的地方,所以不是說所有的東西都去做這個,"},{"start":1782.884,"end":1791.415,"text":"所以我現在要講的意思是我們不要只想著我們要做什麼,我們就要做什麼。你要去地方,去了解到地方的人。"},{"start":1793.559,"end":1806.332,"text":"他們對我們的事情他們有認同,而且我們管政府他們對地方比較了解啊,公訴對地方比較了解,我們只要我們更強,我們希望說這個地方會做什麼,我們可以找管政府找地方公訴,做的機會康,在國中方面的一個認同。"},{"start":1833.735,"end":1840.822,"text":"謝謝丁委員學忠的質詢。接下來我們請登記第十位黃委員三三質詢。"}]}}}}