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00:02:49,222\n他的重點就是要往北因為他很多是從花壇到南港或花壇到花蓮的這個車子如果在這個大渡的話他就要回車修理完要回車到這個這個可能是技術性的吧那是不是有可能去克服如果說按照目前的這個計畫可能要徵收可能有35公頃那徵收這個這個民地或者是民房可能是\n\n8\n00:02:49,862 --> 00:02:50,423\n﹚黃秀芳﹚黃秀芳﹚黃秀芳﹚\n\n9\n00:03:14,427 --> 00:03:15,108\n檢修場站\n\n10\n00:03:29,770 --> 00:03:29,790\n﹚國務委員﹚\n\n11\n00:03:48,203 --> 00:04:15,286\n第一屆我當立委到現在8年都還在討論這個我都覺得這個到底有沒有在動啊好像我是不是可以要求未來是不是也這個三個月兩個月至三個月也要跟我們辦公室報告你們目前的進度是怎樣目前就是最後在於這個檢修廠的位置我想最後大概這個問題綜合規範已經做差不多了最後就是靠這一個在三頁會做跟地方政府做最後的確定\n\n12\n00:04:15,546 --> 00:04:42,774\n所以3月份會做最後的確定。我想中央跟地方一定要坐下來好好談,然後要互相了解怎麼樣才是最好的方案。我也希望委員有機會的話也請縣政府也跟我們這邊能夠坐下來好好談。然後彼此了解需要,那如果真的是需要再發談的時候,那怎麼來解決。我是覺得溝通是很重要。\n\n13\n00:04:43,630 --> 00:04:44,952\n現在的檢修廠很多都是\n\n14\n00:05:00,009 --> 00:05:00,069\n﹚黃秀芳\n\n15\n00:05:15,450 --> 00:05:31,029\n我想這方面我們也有跟彰化縣政府做過討論那當然他最大的壓力來自於說這個拆遷啦拆遷這個是他最大的壓力但是我覺得要不要一起克服然後讓民眾也不要太吃虧我想這部分我們可以再跟他討論\n\n16\n00:05:32,014 --> 00:05:57,622\n那是全部都會在花壇還是有一部分會在這個大都或是有一部分會在二水目前我們是在花壇就是說因為你了解嗎漲化鐵路高架以後它爬不上去所以要往南跑所以有一塊基地做往北車輛的這個檢修廠現在目前我們是希望在花壇大都已經要往南因為它主要花車都往北的你這樣服務不到漲化\n\n17\n00:05:59,011 --> 00:06:11,561\n所以我這邊真的要再次的拜託行政院還有我們的交通部這邊真的針對這個議題這個重大的建設真的要費心一點而且\n\n18\n00:06:19,087 --> 00:06:42,457\n要定期跟地方政府要去溝通要不然地方政府如果說是中央卡他一直都不動的話其實我相信院長在這個這次的選舉你應該也聽到很多就是地方政府就一些重大建設都說中央卡中央卡地方政府的建設那我是認為這個重大建設是不論是中央跟地方是一起的\n\n19\n00:06:43,317 --> 00:07:08,417\n所有的民眾看到就是說這個到底有沒有進度,大家不會去分說這個是中央的權責或是地方的權責,不會。所以就是說拜託這個行政院這邊真的針對這個彰化的鐵路高架,真的要費心,因為讓它有進度。那我相信院長你在去年11月的時候你有自己親自到彰化的這個扇形車庫,\n\n20\n00:07:09,258 --> 00:07:09,458\n﹚黃秀芳\n\n21\n00:07:26,562 --> 00:07:38,667\n所以感覺就是說整個彰化影響最大就是整個鐵路高架彰化目前沒有比較重大的一個建設那就是鐵路高架還有捷運綠線還有捷運綠線所以我拜託這個院長\n\n22\n00:07:42,168 --> 00:07:48,394\n還有部長真的針對這部分真的要用心,那是不是可以給我們一個期程,譬如說剛剛部長講3月份你們會針對這個檢修廠的部分,會確定嗎?是會確定?\n\n23\n00:07:59,445 --> 00:08:21,057\n那是不是未來是不是每三個月跟我們辦公室也跟我們報告一下你們目前的進度怎樣要不然真的我們也是要追著問那每次問好像都好像就是停在那邊都完全沒有動那地方也會很急那是不是可以請部長可以這樣好不好那另外一個我要問的是這個捷運這個捷運\n\n24\n00:08:23,298 --> 00:08:41,111\n院長你知道我知道這是綠線延伸嘛對綠線延伸彰化對那院長在這個去年在選舉的時候這個台中捷運綠線延伸到彰化北延到大坑南延到彰化那這個也是地方覺得\n\n25\n00:08:41,671 --> 00:08:41,691\n﹚國務委員﹚\n\n26\n00:08:59,284 --> 00:09:27,023\n那就是未來這個在綜合規劃之前這個東張的這個擴大都市計畫要連動要一起一起嘛那我也希望也要拜託就是說因為這個捷運綠線未來這個是也是影響到整個彰化的發展因為我們是期待台中捷運綠線延伸到彰化如果未來到彰化之後那未來再規劃到彰化的鹿港\n\n27\n00:09:27,603 --> 00:09:56,450\n那這個是可以整個帶動整個彰化的一個都市發展那我希望就是說也拜託院長針對這一部分也是要請中央跟地方要一起配合委員你講到很大的重點就是因為在這個延伸到彰化的這個部分的這個都市計畫的部分現政府扮演一個很關鍵的角色那當時我們也一直盼望著能夠在\n\n28\n00:09:57,310 --> 00:09:57,610\n﹚三、2月28日\n\n29\n00:10:15,687 --> 00:10:32,057\n所以我就說希望就是未來是鐵路高架或是台中捷運綠線因為一般的民眾他不會分說這個是中央權責或是地方的權責只要是地方政府說這中央卡他\n\n30\n00:10:33,297 --> 00:10:52,185\n因為院長你不覺得這一次就是你一直聽到就是中央在卡地方的這樣的聲音嗎?所以說我們也要拜託委員我本身也要來跟民眾講我情緒說一個建設可以成功或不能成功其實中央地方兩方面都很重要如果說是地方沒辦法配合、沒辦法做\n\n31\n00:10:56,307 --> 00:11:09,134\n這我們就要講清楚啦,像這個綠線的延伸彰化之地,我們真的很擔心的就是說中華營自己那個綠色計畫的部分是不是做好,這點是我們到現在還沒信心啦,說實在的,但是這一定,但是\n\n32\n00:11:15,658 --> 00:11:23,403\n所以我一家就是說我當一個民意代表那我也希望就是說中央跟地方一起合作那地方可能碰到一些問題那是不是也拜託中央這邊來協助讓進速讓這個鐵路高架還有台中捷運綠線能夠進速\n\n33\n00:11:43,915 --> 00:11:53,562\n這個能夠在綜合規劃之前,當然就是說這個章化的東章的這個都市計畫能夠趕快趕快來進行。那確實就是說。那都市計畫有什麼問題要請教,我也可以請那個賴正波來幫忙。\n\n34\n00:12:00,828 --> 00:12:08,092\n所以就是說我一件拜託就是說我們應該中央跟地方也要有一些時間比如說幾個月幾個月內大家一起合作一起討論碰到什麼樣的問題那那個期程那個時間期程也讓我們知道\n\n35\n00:12:24,642 --> 00:12:28,423\n我們看什麼事情是內建部國土署可以做的,什麼是交通部可以做的,什麼是管政府。\n\n36\n00:12:48,248 --> 00:13:01,356\n我們要做的,我們要分得清楚,像你說三個月給你們報告一次,這沒問題,但是這報告一次的時候,我們也要看說什麼地方應該負責的部分,是不是負責高鐵,如果沒有負責高鐵的時候,我們也要跟民眾說,這沒有負責高鐵,是我們溝通不做得好,\n\n37\n00:13:14,142 --> 00:13:24,705\n院長我要講的就是說軌道建設也是我們在這個前就是小英政府時期我們講的就是這個前瞻基礎建設裡面的軌道建設這個部分臺中捷運綠線是這個軌道建設之一\n\n38\n00:13:30,447 --> 00:13:59,566\n那78年都快過了那都還在都還在剛可行性評估才剛通過所以我是認為說這個應該是政府的一個重大建設是中央跟地方大家一起合作就是不分這個是地方的事情那當然就是說我們一起把他把這件建設把它完成因為我們知道說臺灣人很喜歡到日本去玩那為什麼很喜歡到日本去玩\n\n39\n00:14:00,006 --> 00:14:00,026\n韓國瑜議員\n\n40\n00:14:16,192 --> 00:14:41,240\n其實交通部,他說金要死去,說我國政府趕緊做什麼事情,那就是他們金,但是一邊金就不好,那要兩邊。我們交通部實際上在軌道建設,你看這一次綠線延伸,我們會可行性的核定,還有有條件性的核定,就是我們也急著要把它趕快推出來。所以說這個我們會全力以赴。\n\n41\n00:14:42,580 --> 00:15:08,757\n好,那剛剛部長也在這邊,其實在剩下幾秒鐘的時間,我希望說部長可能要去討論一下整個臺灣的這個道路,大家講的這個道路可能對行人很不友善,可能要去做一個整體的一個盤點,那如果說讓開車的人或者是這個行人都要安全,\n\n42\n00:15:09,397 --> 00:15:10,338\n觀眾委員報告現在院長的\n\n43\n00:15:42,369 --> 00:15:50,306\n謝謝黃委員秀芳的質詢。也謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第20號旅委員玉琳質詢。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9276\t12518\t謝謝院長。我們請陳院長跟交通部部長。請陳院長備詢。好,有完,恭喜你。來,當選人在。\n25618\t40288\t謝謝,謝謝院長。我記得我在2016年剛就職上任立法委員的時候,我在第一個會期同樣質詢林全院長,就是有關彰化的鐵路高架。\n41949\t59739\t時間也經過了8年我還是在第1會期這個第11屆的第1個會期同樣在質詢我們的陳院長彰化的鐵路高架真的講得非常的久在這個2年這個差不多接近2年的時候行政院已經這個合訂\n61580\t87572\t現在是進入到綜合規劃我看到綜合規劃將近兩年的時間這個綜合規劃還是停在到底是要三軌或四軌還沒有確定那我是不是可以請院長或者是部長跟我回答一下因為我覺得總是要有一個時間要不然可能時間再過了四年可能還在討論所以我覺得地方都等不及了是不是可以請院長來回答\n88132\t115038\t我目前是如果成整個臺鐵的營運來講要試軌因為山海縣的會期就是在彰化這個地方我們是朝這方面來進行那目前中國規劃已經到結束現在剩下最後一個課題就是現在的彰化檢修廠要移到哪裡那過去他是放在花壇花壇是因為他往北嘛往北他可以經過彰化台中\n115782\t142231\t那後來在這個縣政府是希望說能夠移到大渡去那大渡的話就是他往北就是這個臺中了所以彰化服務不到那兩個各有他的比如說在花壇有徵收的課題那目前這個部分我們是希望在山葉跟地方政府做一個討論我們初步還是希望在花壇以台鐵的營運來講現在的這個檢修廠就在彰化站的南端嘛\n142711\t169222\t他的重點就是要往北因為他很多是從花壇到南港或花壇到花蓮的這個車子如果在這個大渡的話他就要回車修理完要回車到這個這個可能是技術性的吧那是不是有可能去克服如果說按照目前的這個計畫可能要徵收可能有35公頃那徵收這個這個民地或者是民房可能是\n169862\t170423\t﹚黃秀芳﹚黃秀芳﹚黃秀芳﹚\n194427\t195108\t檢修場站\n209770\t209790\t﹚國務委員﹚\n228203\t255286\t第一屆我當立委到現在8年都還在討論這個我都覺得這個到底有沒有在動啊好像我是不是可以要求未來是不是也這個三個月兩個月至三個月也要跟我們辦公室報告你們目前的進度是怎樣目前就是最後在於這個檢修廠的位置我想最後大概這個問題綜合規範已經做差不多了最後就是靠這一個在三頁會做跟地方政府做最後的確定\n255546\t282774\t所以3月份會做最後的確定。我想中央跟地方一定要坐下來好好談,然後要互相了解怎麼樣才是最好的方案。我也希望委員有機會的話也請縣政府也跟我們這邊能夠坐下來好好談。然後彼此了解需要,那如果真的是需要再發談的時候,那怎麼來解決。我是覺得溝通是很重要。\n283630\t284952\t現在的檢修廠很多都是\n300009\t300069\t﹚黃秀芳\n315450\t331029\t我想這方面我們也有跟彰化縣政府做過討論那當然他最大的壓力來自於說這個拆遷啦拆遷這個是他最大的壓力但是我覺得要不要一起克服然後讓民眾也不要太吃虧我想這部分我們可以再跟他討論\n332014\t357622\t那是全部都會在花壇還是有一部分會在這個大都或是有一部分會在二水目前我們是在花壇就是說因為你了解嗎漲化鐵路高架以後它爬不上去所以要往南跑所以有一塊基地做往北車輛的這個檢修廠現在目前我們是希望在花壇大都已經要往南因為它主要花車都往北的你這樣服務不到漲化\n359011\t371561\t所以我這邊真的要再次的拜託行政院還有我們的交通部這邊真的針對這個議題這個重大的建設真的要費心一點而且\n379087\t402457\t要定期跟地方政府要去溝通要不然地方政府如果說是中央卡他一直都不動的話其實我相信院長在這個這次的選舉你應該也聽到很多就是地方政府就一些重大建設都說中央卡中央卡地方政府的建設那我是認為這個重大建設是不論是中央跟地方是一起的\n403317\t428417\t所有的民眾看到就是說這個到底有沒有進度,大家不會去分說這個是中央的權責或是地方的權責,不會。所以就是說拜託這個行政院這邊真的針對這個彰化的鐵路高架,真的要費心,因為讓它有進度。那我相信院長你在去年11月的時候你有自己親自到彰化的這個扇形車庫,\n429258\t429458\t﹚黃秀芳\n446562\t458667\t所以感覺就是說整個彰化影響最大就是整個鐵路高架彰化目前沒有比較重大的一個建設那就是鐵路高架還有捷運綠線還有捷運綠線所以我拜託這個院長\n462168\t468394\t還有部長真的針對這部分真的要用心,那是不是可以給我們一個期程,譬如說剛剛部長講3月份你們會針對這個檢修廠的部分,會確定嗎?是會確定?\n479445\t501057\t那是不是未來是不是每三個月跟我們辦公室也跟我們報告一下你們目前的進度怎樣要不然真的我們也是要追著問那每次問好像都好像就是停在那邊都完全沒有動那地方也會很急那是不是可以請部長可以這樣好不好那另外一個我要問的是這個捷運這個捷運\n503298\t521111\t院長你知道我知道這是綠線延伸嘛對綠線延伸彰化對那院長在這個去年在選舉的時候這個台中捷運綠線延伸到彰化北延到大坑南延到彰化那這個也是地方覺得\n521671\t521691\t﹚國務委員﹚\n539284\t567023\t那就是未來這個在綜合規劃之前這個東張的這個擴大都市計畫要連動要一起一起嘛那我也希望也要拜託就是說因為這個捷運綠線未來這個是也是影響到整個彰化的發展因為我們是期待台中捷運綠線延伸到彰化如果未來到彰化之後那未來再規劃到彰化的鹿港\n567603\t596450\t那這個是可以整個帶動整個彰化的一個都市發展那我希望就是說也拜託院長針對這一部分也是要請中央跟地方要一起配合委員你講到很大的重點就是因為在這個延伸到彰化的這個部分的這個都市計畫的部分現政府扮演一個很關鍵的角色那當時我們也一直盼望著能夠在\n597310\t597610\t﹚三、2月28日\n615687\t632057\t所以我就說希望就是未來是鐵路高架或是台中捷運綠線因為一般的民眾他不會分說這個是中央權責或是地方的權責只要是地方政府說這中央卡他\n633297\t652185\t因為院長你不覺得這一次就是你一直聽到就是中央在卡地方的這樣的聲音嗎?所以說我們也要拜託委員我本身也要來跟民眾講我情緒說一個建設可以成功或不能成功其實中央地方兩方面都很重要如果說是地方沒辦法配合、沒辦法做\n656307\t669134\t這我們就要講清楚啦,像這個綠線的延伸彰化之地,我們真的很擔心的就是說中華營自己那個綠色計畫的部分是不是做好,這點是我們到現在還沒信心啦,說實在的,但是這一定,但是\n675658\t683403\t所以我一家就是說我當一個民意代表那我也希望就是說中央跟地方一起合作那地方可能碰到一些問題那是不是也拜託中央這邊來協助讓進速讓這個鐵路高架還有台中捷運綠線能夠進速\n703915\t713562\t這個能夠在綜合規劃之前,當然就是說這個章化的東章的這個都市計畫能夠趕快趕快來進行。那確實就是說。那都市計畫有什麼問題要請教,我也可以請那個賴正波來幫忙。\n720828\t728092\t所以就是說我一件拜託就是說我們應該中央跟地方也要有一些時間比如說幾個月幾個月內大家一起合作一起討論碰到什麼樣的問題那那個期程那個時間期程也讓我們知道\n744642\t748423\t我們看什麼事情是內建部國土署可以做的,什麼是交通部可以做的,什麼是管政府。\n768248\t781356\t我們要做的,我們要分得清楚,像你說三個月給你們報告一次,這沒問題,但是這報告一次的時候,我們也要看說什麼地方應該負責的部分,是不是負責高鐵,如果沒有負責高鐵的時候,我們也要跟民眾說,這沒有負責高鐵,是我們溝通不做得好,\n794142\t804705\t院長我要講的就是說軌道建設也是我們在這個前就是小英政府時期我們講的就是這個前瞻基礎建設裡面的軌道建設這個部分臺中捷運綠線是這個軌道建設之一\n810447\t839566\t那78年都快過了那都還在都還在剛可行性評估才剛通過所以我是認為說這個應該是政府的一個重大建設是中央跟地方大家一起合作就是不分這個是地方的事情那當然就是說我們一起把他把這件建設把它完成因為我們知道說臺灣人很喜歡到日本去玩那為什麼很喜歡到日本去玩\n840006\t840026\t韓國瑜議員\n856192\t881240\t其實交通部,他說金要死去,說我國政府趕緊做什麼事情,那就是他們金,但是一邊金就不好,那要兩邊。我們交通部實際上在軌道建設,你看這一次綠線延伸,我們會可行性的核定,還有有條件性的核定,就是我們也急著要把它趕快推出來。所以說這個我們會全力以赴。\n882580\t908757\t好,那剛剛部長也在這邊,其實在剩下幾秒鐘的時間,我希望說部長可能要去討論一下整個臺灣的這個道路,大家講的這個道路可能對行人很不友善,可能要去做一個整體的一個盤點,那如果說讓開車的人或者是這個行人都要安全,\n909397\t910338\t觀眾委員報告現在院長的\n942369\t950306\t謝謝黃委員秀芳的質詢。也謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第20號旅委員玉琳質詢。\n","txt":"謝謝院長。我們請陳院長跟交通部部長。請陳院長備詢。好,有完,恭喜你。來,當選人在。\n謝謝,謝謝院長。我記得我在2016年剛就職上任立法委員的時候,我在第一個會期同樣質詢林全院長,就是有關彰化的鐵路高架。\n時間也經過了8年我還是在第1會期這個第11屆的第1個會期同樣在質詢我們的陳院長彰化的鐵路高架真的講得非常的久在這個2年這個差不多接近2年的時候行政院已經這個合訂\n現在是進入到綜合規劃我看到綜合規劃將近兩年的時間這個綜合規劃還是停在到底是要三軌或四軌還沒有確定那我是不是可以請院長或者是部長跟我回答一下因為我覺得總是要有一個時間要不然可能時間再過了四年可能還在討論所以我覺得地方都等不及了是不是可以請院長來回答\n我目前是如果成整個臺鐵的營運來講要試軌因為山海縣的會期就是在彰化這個地方我們是朝這方面來進行那目前中國規劃已經到結束現在剩下最後一個課題就是現在的彰化檢修廠要移到哪裡那過去他是放在花壇花壇是因為他往北嘛往北他可以經過彰化台中\n那後來在這個縣政府是希望說能夠移到大渡去那大渡的話就是他往北就是這個臺中了所以彰化服務不到那兩個各有他的比如說在花壇有徵收的課題那目前這個部分我們是希望在山葉跟地方政府做一個討論我們初步還是希望在花壇以台鐵的營運來講現在的這個檢修廠就在彰化站的南端嘛\n他的重點就是要往北因為他很多是從花壇到南港或花壇到花蓮的這個車子如果在這個大渡的話他就要回車修理完要回車到這個這個可能是技術性的吧那是不是有可能去克服如果說按照目前的這個計畫可能要徵收可能有35公頃那徵收這個這個民地或者是民房可能是\n﹚黃秀芳﹚黃秀芳﹚黃秀芳﹚\n檢修場站\n﹚國務委員﹚\n第一屆我當立委到現在8年都還在討論這個我都覺得這個到底有沒有在動啊好像我是不是可以要求未來是不是也這個三個月兩個月至三個月也要跟我們辦公室報告你們目前的進度是怎樣目前就是最後在於這個檢修廠的位置我想最後大概這個問題綜合規範已經做差不多了最後就是靠這一個在三頁會做跟地方政府做最後的確定\n所以3月份會做最後的確定。我想中央跟地方一定要坐下來好好談,然後要互相了解怎麼樣才是最好的方案。我也希望委員有機會的話也請縣政府也跟我們這邊能夠坐下來好好談。然後彼此了解需要,那如果真的是需要再發談的時候,那怎麼來解決。我是覺得溝通是很重要。\n現在的檢修廠很多都是\n﹚黃秀芳\n我想這方面我們也有跟彰化縣政府做過討論那當然他最大的壓力來自於說這個拆遷啦拆遷這個是他最大的壓力但是我覺得要不要一起克服然後讓民眾也不要太吃虧我想這部分我們可以再跟他討論\n那是全部都會在花壇還是有一部分會在這個大都或是有一部分會在二水目前我們是在花壇就是說因為你了解嗎漲化鐵路高架以後它爬不上去所以要往南跑所以有一塊基地做往北車輛的這個檢修廠現在目前我們是希望在花壇大都已經要往南因為它主要花車都往北的你這樣服務不到漲化\n所以我這邊真的要再次的拜託行政院還有我們的交通部這邊真的針對這個議題這個重大的建設真的要費心一點而且\n要定期跟地方政府要去溝通要不然地方政府如果說是中央卡他一直都不動的話其實我相信院長在這個這次的選舉你應該也聽到很多就是地方政府就一些重大建設都說中央卡中央卡地方政府的建設那我是認為這個重大建設是不論是中央跟地方是一起的\n所有的民眾看到就是說這個到底有沒有進度,大家不會去分說這個是中央的權責或是地方的權責,不會。所以就是說拜託這個行政院這邊真的針對這個彰化的鐵路高架,真的要費心,因為讓它有進度。那我相信院長你在去年11月的時候你有自己親自到彰化的這個扇形車庫,\n﹚黃秀芳\n所以感覺就是說整個彰化影響最大就是整個鐵路高架彰化目前沒有比較重大的一個建設那就是鐵路高架還有捷運綠線還有捷運綠線所以我拜託這個院長\n還有部長真的針對這部分真的要用心,那是不是可以給我們一個期程,譬如說剛剛部長講3月份你們會針對這個檢修廠的部分,會確定嗎?是會確定?\n那是不是未來是不是每三個月跟我們辦公室也跟我們報告一下你們目前的進度怎樣要不然真的我們也是要追著問那每次問好像都好像就是停在那邊都完全沒有動那地方也會很急那是不是可以請部長可以這樣好不好那另外一個我要問的是這個捷運這個捷運\n院長你知道我知道這是綠線延伸嘛對綠線延伸彰化對那院長在這個去年在選舉的時候這個台中捷運綠線延伸到彰化北延到大坑南延到彰化那這個也是地方覺得\n﹚國務委員﹚\n那就是未來這個在綜合規劃之前這個東張的這個擴大都市計畫要連動要一起一起嘛那我也希望也要拜託就是說因為這個捷運綠線未來這個是也是影響到整個彰化的發展因為我們是期待台中捷運綠線延伸到彰化如果未來到彰化之後那未來再規劃到彰化的鹿港\n那這個是可以整個帶動整個彰化的一個都市發展那我希望就是說也拜託院長針對這一部分也是要請中央跟地方要一起配合委員你講到很大的重點就是因為在這個延伸到彰化的這個部分的這個都市計畫的部分現政府扮演一個很關鍵的角色那當時我們也一直盼望著能夠在\n﹚三、2月28日\n所以我就說希望就是未來是鐵路高架或是台中捷運綠線因為一般的民眾他不會分說這個是中央權責或是地方的權責只要是地方政府說這中央卡他\n因為院長你不覺得這一次就是你一直聽到就是中央在卡地方的這樣的聲音嗎?所以說我們也要拜託委員我本身也要來跟民眾講我情緒說一個建設可以成功或不能成功其實中央地方兩方面都很重要如果說是地方沒辦法配合、沒辦法做\n這我們就要講清楚啦,像這個綠線的延伸彰化之地,我們真的很擔心的就是說中華營自己那個綠色計畫的部分是不是做好,這點是我們到現在還沒信心啦,說實在的,但是這一定,但是\n所以我一家就是說我當一個民意代表那我也希望就是說中央跟地方一起合作那地方可能碰到一些問題那是不是也拜託中央這邊來協助讓進速讓這個鐵路高架還有台中捷運綠線能夠進速\n這個能夠在綜合規劃之前,當然就是說這個章化的東章的這個都市計畫能夠趕快趕快來進行。那確實就是說。那都市計畫有什麼問題要請教,我也可以請那個賴正波來幫忙。\n所以就是說我一件拜託就是說我們應該中央跟地方也要有一些時間比如說幾個月幾個月內大家一起合作一起討論碰到什麼樣的問題那那個期程那個時間期程也讓我們知道\n我們看什麼事情是內建部國土署可以做的,什麼是交通部可以做的,什麼是管政府。\n我們要做的,我們要分得清楚,像你說三個月給你們報告一次,這沒問題,但是這報告一次的時候,我們也要看說什麼地方應該負責的部分,是不是負責高鐵,如果沒有負責高鐵的時候,我們也要跟民眾說,這沒有負責高鐵,是我們溝通不做得好,\n院長我要講的就是說軌道建設也是我們在這個前就是小英政府時期我們講的就是這個前瞻基礎建設裡面的軌道建設這個部分臺中捷運綠線是這個軌道建設之一\n那78年都快過了那都還在都還在剛可行性評估才剛通過所以我是認為說這個應該是政府的一個重大建設是中央跟地方大家一起合作就是不分這個是地方的事情那當然就是說我們一起把他把這件建設把它完成因為我們知道說臺灣人很喜歡到日本去玩那為什麼很喜歡到日本去玩\n韓國瑜議員\n其實交通部,他說金要死去,說我國政府趕緊做什麼事情,那就是他們金,但是一邊金就不好,那要兩邊。我們交通部實際上在軌道建設,你看這一次綠線延伸,我們會可行性的核定,還有有條件性的核定,就是我們也急著要把它趕快推出來。所以說這個我們會全力以赴。\n好,那剛剛部長也在這邊,其實在剩下幾秒鐘的時間,我希望說部長可能要去討論一下整個臺灣的這個道路,大家講的這個道路可能對行人很不友善,可能要去做一個整體的一個盤點,那如果說讓開車的人或者是這個行人都要安全,\n觀眾委員報告現在院長的\n謝謝黃委員秀芳的質詢。也謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第20號旅委員玉琳質詢。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.276 --> 00:12.518\n謝謝院長。我們請陳院長跟交通部部長。請陳院長備詢。好,有完,恭喜你。來,當選人在。\n\n00:25.618 --> 00:40.288\n謝謝,謝謝院長。我記得我在2016年剛就職上任立法委員的時候,我在第一個會期同樣質詢林全院長,就是有關彰化的鐵路高架。\n\n00:41.949 --> 00:59.739\n時間也經過了8年我還是在第1會期這個第11屆的第1個會期同樣在質詢我們的陳院長彰化的鐵路高架真的講得非常的久在這個2年這個差不多接近2年的時候行政院已經這個合訂\n\n01:01.580 --> 01:27.572\n現在是進入到綜合規劃我看到綜合規劃將近兩年的時間這個綜合規劃還是停在到底是要三軌或四軌還沒有確定那我是不是可以請院長或者是部長跟我回答一下因為我覺得總是要有一個時間要不然可能時間再過了四年可能還在討論所以我覺得地方都等不及了是不是可以請院長來回答\n\n01:28.132 --> 01:55.038\n我目前是如果成整個臺鐵的營運來講要試軌因為山海縣的會期就是在彰化這個地方我們是朝這方面來進行那目前中國規劃已經到結束現在剩下最後一個課題就是現在的彰化檢修廠要移到哪裡那過去他是放在花壇花壇是因為他往北嘛往北他可以經過彰化台中\n\n01:55.782 --> 02:22.231\n那後來在這個縣政府是希望說能夠移到大渡去那大渡的話就是他往北就是這個臺中了所以彰化服務不到那兩個各有他的比如說在花壇有徵收的課題那目前這個部分我們是希望在山葉跟地方政府做一個討論我們初步還是希望在花壇以台鐵的營運來講現在的這個檢修廠就在彰化站的南端嘛\n\n02:22.711 --> 02:49.222\n他的重點就是要往北因為他很多是從花壇到南港或花壇到花蓮的這個車子如果在這個大渡的話他就要回車修理完要回車到這個這個可能是技術性的吧那是不是有可能去克服如果說按照目前的這個計畫可能要徵收可能有35公頃那徵收這個這個民地或者是民房可能是\n\n02:49.862 --> 02:50.423\n﹚黃秀芳﹚黃秀芳﹚黃秀芳﹚\n\n03:14.427 --> 03:15.108\n檢修場站\n\n03:29.770 --> 03:29.790\n﹚國務委員﹚\n\n03:48.203 --> 04:15.286\n第一屆我當立委到現在8年都還在討論這個我都覺得這個到底有沒有在動啊好像我是不是可以要求未來是不是也這個三個月兩個月至三個月也要跟我們辦公室報告你們目前的進度是怎樣目前就是最後在於這個檢修廠的位置我想最後大概這個問題綜合規範已經做差不多了最後就是靠這一個在三頁會做跟地方政府做最後的確定\n\n04:15.546 --> 04:42.774\n所以3月份會做最後的確定。我想中央跟地方一定要坐下來好好談,然後要互相了解怎麼樣才是最好的方案。我也希望委員有機會的話也請縣政府也跟我們這邊能夠坐下來好好談。然後彼此了解需要,那如果真的是需要再發談的時候,那怎麼來解決。我是覺得溝通是很重要。\n\n04:43.630 --> 04:44.952\n現在的檢修廠很多都是\n\n05:00.009 --> 05:00.069\n﹚黃秀芳\n\n05:15.450 --> 05:31.029\n我想這方面我們也有跟彰化縣政府做過討論那當然他最大的壓力來自於說這個拆遷啦拆遷這個是他最大的壓力但是我覺得要不要一起克服然後讓民眾也不要太吃虧我想這部分我們可以再跟他討論\n\n05:32.014 --> 05:57.622\n那是全部都會在花壇還是有一部分會在這個大都或是有一部分會在二水目前我們是在花壇就是說因為你了解嗎漲化鐵路高架以後它爬不上去所以要往南跑所以有一塊基地做往北車輛的這個檢修廠現在目前我們是希望在花壇大都已經要往南因為它主要花車都往北的你這樣服務不到漲化\n\n05:59.011 --> 06:11.561\n所以我這邊真的要再次的拜託行政院還有我們的交通部這邊真的針對這個議題這個重大的建設真的要費心一點而且\n\n06:19.087 --> 06:42.457\n要定期跟地方政府要去溝通要不然地方政府如果說是中央卡他一直都不動的話其實我相信院長在這個這次的選舉你應該也聽到很多就是地方政府就一些重大建設都說中央卡中央卡地方政府的建設那我是認為這個重大建設是不論是中央跟地方是一起的\n\n06:43.317 --> 07:08.417\n所有的民眾看到就是說這個到底有沒有進度,大家不會去分說這個是中央的權責或是地方的權責,不會。所以就是說拜託這個行政院這邊真的針對這個彰化的鐵路高架,真的要費心,因為讓它有進度。那我相信院長你在去年11月的時候你有自己親自到彰化的這個扇形車庫,\n\n07:09.258 --> 07:09.458\n﹚黃秀芳\n\n07:26.562 --> 07:38.667\n所以感覺就是說整個彰化影響最大就是整個鐵路高架彰化目前沒有比較重大的一個建設那就是鐵路高架還有捷運綠線還有捷運綠線所以我拜託這個院長\n\n07:42.168 --> 07:48.394\n還有部長真的針對這部分真的要用心,那是不是可以給我們一個期程,譬如說剛剛部長講3月份你們會針對這個檢修廠的部分,會確定嗎?是會確定?\n\n07:59.445 --> 08:21.057\n那是不是未來是不是每三個月跟我們辦公室也跟我們報告一下你們目前的進度怎樣要不然真的我們也是要追著問那每次問好像都好像就是停在那邊都完全沒有動那地方也會很急那是不是可以請部長可以這樣好不好那另外一個我要問的是這個捷運這個捷運\n\n08:23.298 --> 08:41.111\n院長你知道我知道這是綠線延伸嘛對綠線延伸彰化對那院長在這個去年在選舉的時候這個台中捷運綠線延伸到彰化北延到大坑南延到彰化那這個也是地方覺得\n\n08:41.671 --> 08:41.691\n﹚國務委員﹚\n\n08:59.284 --> 09:27.023\n那就是未來這個在綜合規劃之前這個東張的這個擴大都市計畫要連動要一起一起嘛那我也希望也要拜託就是說因為這個捷運綠線未來這個是也是影響到整個彰化的發展因為我們是期待台中捷運綠線延伸到彰化如果未來到彰化之後那未來再規劃到彰化的鹿港\n\n09:27.603 --> 09:56.450\n那這個是可以整個帶動整個彰化的一個都市發展那我希望就是說也拜託院長針對這一部分也是要請中央跟地方要一起配合委員你講到很大的重點就是因為在這個延伸到彰化的這個部分的這個都市計畫的部分現政府扮演一個很關鍵的角色那當時我們也一直盼望著能夠在\n\n09:57.310 --> 09:57.610\n﹚三、2月28日\n\n10:15.687 --> 10:32.057\n所以我就說希望就是未來是鐵路高架或是台中捷運綠線因為一般的民眾他不會分說這個是中央權責或是地方的權責只要是地方政府說這中央卡他\n\n10:33.297 --> 10:52.185\n因為院長你不覺得這一次就是你一直聽到就是中央在卡地方的這樣的聲音嗎?所以說我們也要拜託委員我本身也要來跟民眾講我情緒說一個建設可以成功或不能成功其實中央地方兩方面都很重要如果說是地方沒辦法配合、沒辦法做\n\n10:56.307 --> 11:09.134\n這我們就要講清楚啦,像這個綠線的延伸彰化之地,我們真的很擔心的就是說中華營自己那個綠色計畫的部分是不是做好,這點是我們到現在還沒信心啦,說實在的,但是這一定,但是\n\n11:15.658 --> 11:23.403\n所以我一家就是說我當一個民意代表那我也希望就是說中央跟地方一起合作那地方可能碰到一些問題那是不是也拜託中央這邊來協助讓進速讓這個鐵路高架還有台中捷運綠線能夠進速\n\n11:43.915 --> 11:53.562\n這個能夠在綜合規劃之前,當然就是說這個章化的東章的這個都市計畫能夠趕快趕快來進行。那確實就是說。那都市計畫有什麼問題要請教,我也可以請那個賴正波來幫忙。\n\n12:00.828 --> 12:08.092\n所以就是說我一件拜託就是說我們應該中央跟地方也要有一些時間比如說幾個月幾個月內大家一起合作一起討論碰到什麼樣的問題那那個期程那個時間期程也讓我們知道\n\n12:24.642 --> 12:28.423\n我們看什麼事情是內建部國土署可以做的,什麼是交通部可以做的,什麼是管政府。\n\n12:48.248 --> 13:01.356\n我們要做的,我們要分得清楚,像你說三個月給你們報告一次,這沒問題,但是這報告一次的時候,我們也要看說什麼地方應該負責的部分,是不是負責高鐵,如果沒有負責高鐵的時候,我們也要跟民眾說,這沒有負責高鐵,是我們溝通不做得好,\n\n13:14.142 --> 13:24.705\n院長我要講的就是說軌道建設也是我們在這個前就是小英政府時期我們講的就是這個前瞻基礎建設裡面的軌道建設這個部分臺中捷運綠線是這個軌道建設之一\n\n13:30.447 --> 13:59.566\n那78年都快過了那都還在都還在剛可行性評估才剛通過所以我是認為說這個應該是政府的一個重大建設是中央跟地方大家一起合作就是不分這個是地方的事情那當然就是說我們一起把他把這件建設把它完成因為我們知道說臺灣人很喜歡到日本去玩那為什麼很喜歡到日本去玩\n\n14:00.006 --> 14:00.026\n韓國瑜議員\n\n14:16.192 --> 14:41.240\n其實交通部,他說金要死去,說我國政府趕緊做什麼事情,那就是他們金,但是一邊金就不好,那要兩邊。我們交通部實際上在軌道建設,你看這一次綠線延伸,我們會可行性的核定,還有有條件性的核定,就是我們也急著要把它趕快推出來。所以說這個我們會全力以赴。\n\n14:42.580 --> 15:08.757\n好,那剛剛部長也在這邊,其實在剩下幾秒鐘的時間,我希望說部長可能要去討論一下整個臺灣的這個道路,大家講的這個道路可能對行人很不友善,可能要去做一個整體的一個盤點,那如果說讓開車的人或者是這個行人都要安全,\n\n15:09.397 --> 15:10.338\n觀眾委員報告現在院長的\n\n15:42.369 --> 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