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三、3月5日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。）","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"立法院第11屆第1會期第3次會議","id":"院會-11-1-3","type":"院會","term":11,"sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":3},"date":"2024-03-01","duration":1825,"end_time":"2024-03-01T11:03:43+08:00","start_time":"2024-03-01T10:33:18+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":414,"blocks":[["牛委員煦庭：（10時33分）行政院長有請，謝謝。"],["主席：請陳院長備詢。"],["陳院長建仁：牛委員早，恭喜你當選立委。"],["牛委員煦庭：院長好，謝謝院長的祝賀。本席就有話直說了，請問院長覺得為什麼我會當選？"],["陳院長建仁：我覺得當選當然是有選民的支持。"],["牛委員煦庭：為什麼我可以得到選民的支持？"],["陳院長建仁：一定是你比你的對手更強。"],["牛委員煦庭：謝謝院長。我放一段影片給你看一下，這是我跟選民的約定，也是我在選舉當初能很快打開知名度非常重要的一支影片，我放給您看，您作一下參考，這跟我們今天總質詢的題目「看守內閣總檢討」高度相關，我們就請看影片。","（播放影片）"],["牛委員煦庭：跟院長報告，在過去1年的選舉中，我們辦了超過一百多場的街頭演講會，這支影片每一場演講會我們都放，搭配我們常常在演講中講、掛在嘴邊的一句話，叫作「皇親國戚發大財，升斗小民苦哈哈」，搭配這支影片，我們在選舉過程中講出了平民百姓的苦和怒。物價飛漲，房價飛漲，我們覺得不公平；各種國家隊爭議連連，我們覺得不公平；詐騙橫行，打擊不利，我們覺得不公平；論文造假、硬拗，我們覺得不公平。院長，可以等一下再回答，但是我要跟院長講，我剛剛問說為什麼我會當選，我告訴你我的答案，如果我們在選舉過程中，作為民意代表沒有辦法反映社會基層真實的心聲，我這個年輕人何德何能可以當選呢？也請院長理解，當選之後我們如果沒有把這樣子的心聲帶進國會，那是有負選民的託付。我現在要開始請問院長，民進黨雖然在這一次的選舉延續了中央的執政權力，但在國會的席次大幅地衰退，失去了完全執政的優勢，請問院長，這算勝選還是敗選？"],["陳院長建仁：有勝有輸。"],["牛委員煦庭：有勝有負，那你覺得總體來說是勝選，還是敗選？"],["陳院長建仁：其實三黨都是有勝利的部分，也有失敗的部分。"],["牛委員煦庭：你覺得你應不應該為這樣選舉的結果負起一定的責任？"],["陳院長建仁：我想每一個人在競選沒有辦法全勝的時候都應該要檢討。"],["牛委員煦庭：應該要檢討，對不對？這個講法真好。畢竟我們的國家要好，責任政治的精神，那是一定要確保的。所以前一段時間，本席看到你在媒體上面的報導說，你都會定期的和天主對話，反省自己過去1年是不是做了很多不對的事情。本席想要請問院長，你在跟天主對話的時候，反省是反省您的私事，還是領導統御的公家事？"],["陳院長建仁：我想這是我跟天主的事，你沒有辦法過問。"],["牛委員煦庭：不能過問是吧！好，這個本席願意尊重，但是我願意正面解讀剛剛院長講說面對這場選舉可能要檢討的事情，對！我尊重院長，這是您的信仰問題，但我們都非常非常的希望在這個檢討的過程中，您已經不再是單純的一個人，你是國家行政院長、領導統御一把手。"],["陳院長建仁：在這個議場來檢討國家的政務是對的，你不要來檢討個人跟信仰的問題。"],["牛委員煦庭：沒錯，本席當然不會在這裡跟你講個人的問題，就要談國家大政嘛！如果我們的院長願意在國家大政上面也把它納入深自檢討，我認為這對國家來講是一件好的事情。","2016年您當初聲望崇隆，是中研院的院士，您是執政團隊那個時候的副總統。2020年蔡英文總統競選連任的時候，遇到了政治風暴，您選擇成全禮讓，等於為黨解圍有功。到了蔡政府任期的最後，您接手行政院院長，能在這個當下為蔡政府的8年收尾……"],["陳院長建仁：這個都是個人的問題，我們談施政的問題比較好啦！"],["牛委員煦庭：等一下嘛！不用緊張……"],["陳院長建仁：你的時間很寶貴。"],["牛委員煦庭：總要讓我鋪排一下，對不對？"],["陳院長建仁：你的時間很寶貴。"],["牛委員煦庭：在這個當下，你可以為蔡英文政府的8年收尾，算是很難得的機緣，但同樣這8年的政府領導相關的責任，你當然也有一份，請教院長，為什麼民進黨會席次衰退？您剛剛有講有勝有敗，一定有些地方需要檢討，請問這段時間的施政有哪一些不得民心的地方？有沒有任何具體的檢討方案？我給您3分鐘的時間好好論述，但希望您可以提出具體的案例，院長，請發言。"],["陳院長建仁：太好了，時間開始3分鐘。實際上蔡總統上任以來，我們都可以看得到中華民國臺灣在世界上確實是響亮亮地受到國際的重視，我們從2016年開始，馬總統不敢做的年金改革，我們已經完成了；馬總統的任期內沒有辦法做的國家人權委員會，我們也已經成立了；然後在經濟發展上，特別是在COVID-19的這段期間，全世界都認同臺灣COVID-19的防疫，是全世界的典範，所以總統也被十幾個雜誌作為雜誌的封面。更重要的，在COVID-19的這段期間，根據美國經濟研究所的統計，在40個世界上最重要的國家當中，2020年時臺灣的COVID-19死亡率是全球最低，而在經濟衰退的情況下是唯一正成長的國家，所以在2020年到2023年，我們臺灣的歲入、歲出都有大量的盈餘，都在3,000億以上，特別是2022年的時候高達將近5,000億，因此我們有足夠的經費來推動所有的改善。我們也可以看到臺灣在這段期間所有的建設都增加，我們不再缺電、不再缺水，更重要的，我們民眾有很大的信心。當然我們自己講沒有用，更重要的是要來看國際的評比，在國際評比上，瑞士洛桑管理學院（IMD）的國際競爭力評比，臺灣在所有國家當中是排名第4名，而且更重要的你可以看到，在2,000萬人口以上的國家連續排名第1名有4年之多，這是臺灣人的光榮、臺灣人的驕傲，所以在這段期間的執政確確實實使臺灣在國際上被看見。","在外交上，我們可以看到，我們跟美國、歐盟、加拿大及日本都有很好、很好的溝通……"],["牛委員煦庭：院長，你還有1分鐘，我提醒你時間要到了。"],["陳院長建仁：沒有，我時間還沒有到，你給我3分鐘，如果你要打斷我也可以啦。"],["牛委員煦庭：OK，我提醒你還有1分鐘。"],["陳院長建仁：你要打斷我嗎？"],["牛委員煦庭：請繼續。"],["陳院長建仁：所以在這段期間我們看得到這樣。更重要的，你可以看得到，臺灣在轉型正義、在人權保障上是受到世界的重視，我們通過婚姻平權，而且我們在人權保障上已經被認為是亞洲自由、民主、人權、人道救援的燈塔，我們可以把自由民主的制度讓整個東亞地區來學習，我們的民主是亞洲第1名，我們的自由經濟是全世界的第4名、亞洲的第1名，我們的清廉印象從馬總統時代落後於28名以後，到現在一直在增加。所以不管在政治、經濟、文化、官箴等等都有很大的進步。"],["牛委員煦庭：好，時間到了。"],["陳院長建仁：那你剛才講的那些數據可能是以偏概全。謝謝你。"],["牛委員煦庭：時間到，謝謝院長願意尊重。不過院長，我覺得你剛才3分鐘的講話完全叫做答非所問，我剛剛問你的題目是民進黨有何不得民心的地方，以至於到最後國會選舉的席次大幅衰退，你有沒有相關的檢討方案？你花了3分鐘的時間大幅地論述我們成績有多麼好、評比有多麼地高，院長，這個不叫檢討，這個場合不是你的施政報告，也不是你大內宣的舞台，我願意給你時間，是因為我希望且我也相信院長是一個願意反省檢討，用嚴格的標準要求自己行政團隊的人。但是你把剛才3分鐘的時間，對不起，請你不要打斷我，你把3分鐘的時間拿來講自己有多好、多好，我實在很懷疑你心裡到底有沒有「檢討」兩個字？"],["陳院長建仁：我可以回答嗎？"],["牛委員煦庭：不行，你的時間已經過了。我舉一個例子給你聽，既然要談檢討我們就檢討，比如說，我講桃園的例子，我認為政府有若干可議之處，當初台積電說要來龍潭設廠，行政院當初在沒有完成任何龍科三期可行性評估的前提之下，更不用說在沒有完善徵收計畫的前提之下，內閣就急功近利，越俎代庖搶先宣布，一個廠要不要來這邊設廠是企業的事，不是政府的事，以至於人民焦慮、抗爭頻傳，最後讓台積電被迫宣布設廠計畫暫緩。"],["陳院長建仁：我不同意。"],["牛委員煦庭：政府卻是選擇在選舉期間大肆抹黑桃園市政府趕走台積電，這樣的說法無助於解決問題，反而加深中央跟地方的矛盾，這就是錯上加錯。事實證明……"],["陳院長建仁：我不同意。"],["牛委員煦庭：等一下嘛。天下雜誌也說龍潭台積電破局的案子，該檢討的是政治人物的急躁表態與粗糙的政策產製流程，讓園區的擴建計畫一波三折。這是天下雜誌的報導……"],["陳院長建仁：這是錯誤的觀點。"],["牛委員煦庭：我原句轉述。"],["陳院長建仁：這是錯誤的觀點。"],["牛委員煦庭：我告訴院長，事實證明，桃園鄉親的眼睛是雪亮的，我們都期待龍科擴大可以順利進行，我們都希望台積電可以順利來桃園，但是人民不會買單政府空泛的大內宣，因為人民期待的是務實、可行的政策，而不是空頭支票，更不是政治詐騙。本席要求政府未來在開發產專園區導引產業發展的同時，應該要務實地解決用地、能源、財務的問題，要低調的規劃，要確認所有程序完備之後再來宣布好消息，這樣才是做產業的後盾，這樣才是成就護國神山的正確方式。院長，我剛剛講這個案例，我舉個例子給你聽……"],["陳院長建仁：我可以回答嗎？"],["牛委員煦庭：如果你在剛剛3分鐘的時間裡面，你舉一個這樣的例子，我們的政府有做得不夠好的地方、有可以做得更好的地方……"],["陳院長建仁：你剛剛講的我都不同意，而且地方政府沒有盡到自己的責任……"],["牛委員煦庭：我覺得我們一問一答的質詢是有意義的，我們未來要理性問政是可以被期待的，未來我們桃園還有大矽谷的計畫。我現在問你一個問題，未來我們走這個大矽谷計畫，因為我看起來又是宣傳先行啊，但是實際上在做這些後續的行政程序完備的時候……"],["陳院長建仁：我不同意宣傳先行的想法。"],["牛委員煦庭：會不會更務實、會不會更低調、會不會先解決問題？而不是急著做政治操作，院長，給你回答一下。"],["陳院長建仁：我想桃竹苗大矽谷的計畫連桃園市政府都贊成。"],["牛委員煦庭：當然嘛，我當初也沒有反對龍科三期的擴大計畫。"],["陳院長建仁：對呀，所以呀！所以當時龍科也是大家都贊成，可是這件事情當國科會在準備這一個用地的時候、當廠商在努力的時候，地方政府有沒有幫忙來做協調呢？所以你剛才講的根本是不符合事實嘛！"],["牛委員煦庭：院長，地方政府要進入的前提條件……"],["陳院長建仁：所以我覺得以偏概全啊。"],["牛委員煦庭：前提條件是計畫要完備。"],["陳院長建仁：沒有錯。"],["牛委員煦庭：行政院在宣布龍科三期擴大、宣布台積電來桃園的時候……"],["陳院長建仁：各個縣市在爭取科學園區的時候，就只有桃園市沒有成功呀！"],["牛委員煦庭：院長，深呼吸。"],["陳院長建仁：我深呼吸了，我講的是事實……"],["牛委員煦庭：大家都說你是大仁哥，不要戰狼上身變成大狼哥啊！聖騎士就聖騎士，不要變聖戰士啊！"],["陳院長建仁：各個地方政府在爭取設……"],["牛委員煦庭：冷靜，院長，冷靜。"],["陳院長建仁：我可不可以回答？"],["牛委員煦庭：冷靜，我一問你一答嘛，好不好？質詢回到這樣子……"],["陳院長建仁：但是我答我要有時間呀。"],["牛委員煦庭：我跟院長說明，我會給你時間。"],["陳院長建仁：你這樣子就沒有讓我答的時間。"],["牛委員煦庭：我會給你時間，院長，你要先聽我說明嘛。當初行政院在宣布台積電要來桃園的時候，連可行性評估都還沒有做，請問這樣宣布是合理的嗎？請院長回答。"],["陳院長建仁：這個在宣布說哪一個地方要開科學園區，請問雲林縣政府有沒有說它想爭取科學園區，當然有……"],["牛委員煦庭：大家都……"],["陳院長建仁：嘉義也有，大家都在爭取……"],["牛委員煦庭：那請問院長……"],["陳院長建仁：所以地方政府要努力來配合嘛。"],["牛委員煦庭：請問院長，在所有程序都不完備的情況下……"],["陳院長建仁：你先不配合，現在把責任歸到中央政府……"],["牛委員煦庭：冷靜，好，那我再問你下一個問題，在所有的行政程序都不完備的情況下，貿然宣布的時候會發生什麼事，院長，你有觀察嗎？發生了什麼事？"],["陳院長建仁：我想在……"],["牛委員煦庭：現在台積電確定了沒？還沒，對不對？可是我告訴你，院長，這是我們來自基層的觀察，宣布來龍科，龍潭土地大漲；宣布去嘉義，嘉義土地大漲；宣布去高雄，高雄土地大漲，通通炒地皮！但最後台積電請問去了哪裡？請問去了哪裡？"],["陳院長建仁：你認為雲林縣政府現在宣布歡迎科學園區也在炒地皮嗎？我不贊成！"],["牛委員煦庭：我告訴院長，大家都希望爭取，我也希望政府儘量來促成，但是手段程序要完備、作法要務實，完備之後你再來宣布好消息是不是比較正確？"],["陳院長建仁：我們當然是完備才來宣布啊，當然，但是地方政府可以宣布啊。"],["牛委員煦庭：桃園的案子就不是完備的時候就來宣布。"],["陳院長建仁：地方政府可以宣布它的努力方向，對不對？當然啦！"],["牛委員煦庭：你可以宣布……"],["陳院長建仁：它的努力方向啊。"],["牛委員煦庭：你可以宣布你的努力方向，但你不能在沒有完備程序的前提下就要硬幹嘛！現在狀況就是沒有可行性評估、沒有徵收計畫，連你國科會內部的文都講財務、用水有疑慮的情況，你為什麼可以宣布嘛？"],["陳院長建仁：雲林縣要設立科學園區有可行性評估嗎？也沒有，它只是它地方政府要努力爭取，所以它對選民有這樣的一個說明，這樣不可以嗎？"],["牛委員煦庭：院長，現在各縣市政府……"],["陳院長建仁：對嘛……"],["牛委員煦庭：你先讓我講嘛，各縣市政府要爭取歸要爭取……"],["陳院長建仁：苗栗縣也是啊。"],["牛委員煦庭：但是由中央來宣布，你宣布了嗎、要去雲林了嗎？你要不要現在宣布？還是現在宣布去嘉義？是不是由中央來宣布，是不是？應不應該？"],["陳院長建仁：我想就是我剛才講的嘛，地方政府要來宣布都是一樣的、這樣的方式啦，我跟你講，你現在不要找一個特別的例子來講，科學園區的發展國科會有自己主導的權力。"],["牛委員煦庭：對，好。"],["陳院長建仁：但是地方政府……我們也尊重地方政府的爭取，我在當國科會主委的時候……"],["牛委員煦庭：好，可以。"],["陳院長建仁：嘉義縣政府就已經來爭取、它也對外宣布，那我們很尊重，可是我們會告訴它要可行性評估、什麼叫……"],["牛委員煦庭：你知道差別在哪裡嗎？"],["陳院長建仁：什麼叫做環評。"],["牛委員煦庭：對嘛，這才是正確的流程，但問題是龍潭科學園區是誰宣布的？是內閣行政院親自會勘、親自宣布的，這就是有問題嘛，我現在講這就是不對的嘛！縣市政府可以爭取、你可以全力協助，真的有成績一起宣布，拍拍手，可是龍潭的問題是，還沒有程序的時候行政院就宣布，這就不對！","所以我拿這個例子告訴院長，政府的施政哪怕你剛剛花了3分鐘時間講有多好，都還是有很多地方是值得改進的、是值得商榷的，我希望在這一場質詢……"],["陳院長建仁：我沒有說我們多好啦，我們確實有該精進的地方啦。"],["牛委員煦庭：我們去談總檢討的時候，是可以聽到這樣的事情的嘛，對不對？好啦，院長，顯然看起來這個總質詢到這個時候，總檢討大概也講不出什麼東西啦，因為剛剛給你3分鐘、給你宣布、給你去講，你也講不出個東西來，我拿一個案例給你聽，你還非常強硬說你都是對的，所以顯然這8年民進黨沒有任何檢討！好吧！既然沒有任何檢討，那我們就面對未來好了，我最近發現你變滿多的，以前是溫文儒雅，現在很兇悍喔！大家都在想是不是政治上有新的考量，請問院長，新的總統上任之後你會不會續任行政院長？"],["陳院長建仁：不會！"],["牛委員煦庭：不會？賴清德總統親自邀請你，會不會續任？"],["陳院長建仁：不會！"],["牛委員煦庭：如果賴清德準總統……"],["陳院長建仁：不要再問了，不會就是不會！"],["牛委員煦庭：蔡英文總統也不會嗎？"],["陳院長建仁：不會！"],["牛委員煦庭：好，看來您的意志非常堅決……"],["陳院長建仁：當然……"],["牛委員煦庭：現在就是看守階段對不對？"],["陳院長建仁：是。"],["牛委員煦庭：看守對不對？請教院長……"],["陳院長建仁：但是看守還是要做事，要戰戰兢兢做到5月19日，而且每一件事情該推動的就推動，何況民進黨還繼續執政，賴總統跟蔡總統的執政是一貫的，所以我的內閣沒有任何一天可以怠惰，我們會來完全推動所有應該做的事情。"],["牛委員煦庭：好！非常好啊！本席要跟你講的就是看守內閣不應該是等待任期結束的空轉內閣，看守內閣要回應人民的期待……"],["陳院長建仁：這就是剛才講過啦！沒必要重複嘛……"],["牛委員煦庭：但是我為什麼要跟你檢討？因為人民不滿的政策，內閣有這個責任喊停緩議，所以我剛剛問你哪些做得不夠好，是因為看守內閣有為有守的過程中，福國立民的繼續做，但是政策有爭議的、民眾顯然不買單的，你要喊停緩議，讓新政府的意志來做決定，延續性的重大建設當然不能浪費時間。","院長，你在選舉前就是行政院長，根據責任政治的原則，如果我們用高標準要求你，你當然會因為國會席次的衰退、完全執政的喪失，你理應辭職下臺以示負責，但你沒有！這個沒有關係，但就是因為這樣，本席才花時間跟你討論要不要自我檢討一下，您剛剛的回應社會大眾都在看，人民自有公斷，我們就不在這裡浪費時間了！","我告訴院長，本席心目中看守內閣其實有一個滿不錯的例子來跟你分享，2016年的張善政內閣其實當初得到了不分朝野的正面評價，面對國民黨當初的敗選，張善政前院長在看守內閣的任內，他充分尊重了地方的意見，他支持林右昌前市長，核准基隆軍港部分移交基隆市政府，他支持林佳龍前市長因應臺中市的升格，核准了臺中市府公務人員的名額，他支持賴清德前市長，讓臺南會展中心的建設預算順利通過，儘管這些縣市當初都是綠營執政，但福國利民的事情，張善政前院長他沒有浪費時間，他也沒有大小眼，張善政市長面對不得選民支持的政策，他擔起責任即時喊停，桃園的鐵路高架化跟地下化之爭其實談了非常多，但人民在2014年跟2016年的兩場選舉中，用選票否定了國民黨提出的高架化方案，張善政前院長他就擔起了相關的責任，在他的任內喊停了高架化的行政程序，讓當初執政的鄭文燦前市長有空間可以去提出地下化的版本，張前院長的施政留下不分朝野的好評，也為當初敗選的國民黨稍微贏回了一些尊嚴。","這個證明了即便是看守內閣的看守期間，我們也依然期待內閣有為有守，院長，我說有為有守是有些事要做、有些事要停才叫有為有守。我現在給院長幾個建議，看看我們院長面對最新的民意是不是一樣能夠有為有守，院長看到這個投影片，你知道我常常搭機捷來立法院開會嗎？"],["陳院長建仁：我不曉得。"],["牛委員煦庭：我跟你講我常常搭，這都是我上班途中留下的剪影，這幾天的照片給你做一下參考，本席來自桃園，尖峰期間，桃園跟臺北通勤族的權益是非常重要的，機場捷運的列車還有國道客運常常是班班滿、大排長龍的情況，機場捷運線不只服務機場的觀光客，也要服務平常北桃之間的通勤客，現在的狀況是桃園捷運公司在張善政市長的領導下已經連續增班了七、八次，但是如果要再增班，讓桃園機場捷運的服務量能可以追上臺北捷運、好好服務通勤大眾的時候，我們必須有增購列車的需求，這一部分的經費本席希望得到中央的大力支持，請問一下院長或者是部長的想法，請回答。"],["陳院長建仁：好，我請部長回答。"],["王部長國材：現在機捷一天大概10萬以上。"],["牛委員煦庭：對。"],["王部長國材：尤其TPASS上路以後，桃園市政府也提出增購車廂的計畫，但是現在有一個題目是資產轉移，前任市長已經談好大概10億的轉移，所以我們是在內部討論，希望轉移後我們來支持直達車的車廂，我想這部分在去年12月12日行政院已經做這樣的結論，這個部分會再跟桃園市政府做一些溝通，目前就是直達車的部分會支持。"],["牛委員煦庭：直達車部分占當初提出的車廂採購需求多少？"],["王部長國材：它大概……"],["牛委員煦庭：你那邊有數據嗎？"],["王部長國材：總數是八十幾億，直達車應該是有50億吧，我在猜。"],["牛委員煦庭：我們當然站在地方的角度、站在桃園市發展的角度，而且這一條，其實憑良心講也不是只有服務桃園的旅客，我每天從A8搭到A1，其實新北的旅客也是被服務到的，臺北市的旅客也是被服務到，更不用講全臺灣要去機場、臨時有需求要去機場的這些旅客。所以我希望中央，這一條不是桃園市內部的捷運線而已，它是一個跨縣市的、中央級的運具嘛！是不是交通部可以再多給桃園市政府一些資源、多給桃園捷運公司一些關愛呢？有沒有機會我們再來進行進一步的協調跟徵詢？"],["王部長國材：跟委員說明，現在就是用它的財政，它現在三級就是84%，直達車就是購車費用的84%，普通車它自己處理，因為普通車是當時地方的捷運，大概初步是這樣。但是我們是希望資產移轉，在行政院討論是趕快來處理，因為這個不處理，變成營運或是活動都是地方政府在辦，資產還掛在中央。"],["牛委員煦庭：所以基本上至少會有直達車的五十多億補助就對了？"],["王部長國材：我們現在初步是這樣的一個方案，但是跟桃園市政府還在討論。"],["牛委員煦庭：還在討論？大概具體的時間表，交通部心裡有一個規劃嗎？"],["王部長國材：現在我們已經發函給桃園市政府，但是它現在針對……尤其資產轉移部分還沒有同意，所以我們是說轉移以後，營運都……因為現在的捷運都是地方啦！"],["牛委員煦庭：這一部分我們會後討論，因為今天時間有限，好不好？"],["王部長國材：是。"],["陳院長建仁：委員，最重要的是資產轉移這件事情……"],["牛委員煦庭：我同意。"],["陳院長建仁：請桃園市政府趕快來做……"],["牛委員煦庭：趕快協商嘛！"],["陳院長建仁：然後購車，再提出計畫，這樣子就是循序漸進。"],["牛委員煦庭：院長、部長，中央、地方好好合作啦！"],["陳院長建仁：當然啦！"],["牛委員煦庭：福國利民，不耽誤時間。"],["陳院長建仁：我完全同意。"],["牛委員煦庭：完全同意，好，謝謝。第二個，本席運氣還算不錯，我住的地方離機場捷運算近，但選區內很多的市民朋友，南崁的也好，大竹的也好，大檜溪的也好，鄉親非常需要穩定的國道客運來進行通勤。近年國道客運的狀況非常、非常不OK，遇到疫情，然後再來是通膨，成本大增，苦不堪言，以至於各個客運業者要退場，撂挑子不幹。今天早上南崁的5203A就出事了，因為前一個業者退場，接續的業者脫鉤，結果今天通勤客的權益馬上受到損害。這件事情在這裡談個案太小了，我們要談通案嘛！怎麼澈底的改善國道客運的品質，讓業者的營運困境、司機缺員的困境有一個系統性的解決方案？我想院長跟部長責無旁貸，也不用浪費時間，有沒有具體的時間表，要怎麼改善國道客運的營運狀況？請回答。"],["王部長國材：跟委員報告，目前第一個是司機不足的部分，我們每位司機大概花15萬在幫地方訓練，現在大概已經到2,000位，逐步進行，比如桃園的桃園客運部也是。第二個，現在它的整個成本提升，最近他們送了一個調價方案過來。"],["牛委員煦庭：新的版本進來，對不對？"],["王部長國材：我想這個部分我們也會來支持。"],["牛委員煦庭：本席要求從速啦！這個應該是最速審核嘛！因為現在的退場狀況很嚴重。"],["王部長國材：這意思是讓它有充分的收入來因應營運……"],["牛委員煦庭：殺頭生意有人做，賠錢生意沒人做，對不對？"],["王部長國材：這個部分現在就是公路局，然後交通部會來做審查。"],["牛委員煦庭：有沒有具體的時間表？這件事情我非常關心，國道客運的事。"],["王部長國材：現在初審已經審過，他們應該在幾個禮拜內會送到交通部來，我們會透過委員會來審查。"],["牛委員煦庭：透過委員會來審查？"],["王部長國材：對。"],["牛委員煦庭：這部分也希望部長多用點心，把它變成施政的第一優先順位啦！"],["王部長國材：對。"],["牛委員煦庭：TPASS 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00:01:06,470\n這7年他們過得很好但你過得好嗎?這幾年來你辛苦念書卻看到他們拿著假學歷在高位上思維素餐你每天收到詐騙簡訊他們卻開著詐騙集團的車用詐騙集團捐的法\n\n4\n00:01:11,474 --> 00:01:39,493\n連找份工作都要擔心會不會被凌虐、被性侵、被強災器官永遠回不了家而這些人卻只要10萬元就能交保回家你買不到的雞蛋他們只需要花1000元開個公司過一手就賺好幾千萬你買不到的快餐他們可以讓小吃店轉型轉手就拿16億的標案連你開燈吹冷氣他們都能找出方法讓自己有得賺\n\n5\n00:01:41,247 --> 00:02:05,789\n這7年你的薪水有增加嗎?你有感受到公平正義嗎?他們把8800億的負債留給你的孩子,把高昂的電費留給你的孩子,把充滿詐騙、低薪、貪腐、不公的台灣留給你的孩子,甚至讓你根本不敢生孩子。這7年他們過得很好,但你真的過得好嗎?\n\n6\n00:02:07,065 --> 00:02:12,377\n你想要就這樣算了嗎?請您和我一起為了下一代找回公平正義。\n\n7\n00:02:17,196 --> 00:02:38,659\n跟院長報告在過去一年的選舉中我們辦了超過一百多場的街頭演講會這支影片每一場演講會我們都放搭配我們常常在演講中常講掛在嘴邊的一句話叫做黃青國氣發大財深斗小民苦哈哈搭配這支影片我們在選舉的過程中講出了平民百姓的苦和怒\n\n8\n00:02:39,724 --> 00:03:05,027\n物價飛漲房價飛漲我們覺得不公平各種國家對爭議連連我們覺得不公平詐騙橫行打擊不利我們覺得不公平論文造假硬拗我們覺得不公平院長可以等一下再回答但是我要跟院長講我剛剛問說為什麼我會當選我告訴你我的答案如果我們在選舉過程中作為民意代表沒有辦法反映社會基層真實的心聲\n\n9\n00:03:05,968 --> 00:03:28,162\n我這個年輕人何德何能可以當選呢?也請院長理解當選之後我們如果沒有把這樣子的心聲帶進國會那是有負選民的托付我現在要開始請問院長民進黨雖然在這一次的選舉延續了中央的執政權力但在國會的席次大幅的衰退失去了完全執政的優勢請問院長這算勝選還是敗選?有勝有輸有勝有負那你覺得總體來說是勝選還是敗選?\n\n10\n00:03:36,101 --> 00:03:39,743\n你覺得你不應該為這樣選舉的結果負起一定的責任?我想每一個人在競選沒有辦法這個全勝的時候都應該要檢討。\n\n11\n00:03:53,137 --> 00:03:54,917\n我想這是我跟天主的事你沒有辦法過問不能過問是吧\n\n12\n00:04:21,738 --> 00:04:37,068\n好這個本席願意尊重但是我願意正面解讀剛剛院長講說面對這一場選舉可能要檢討的事情我個人是非常希望對我尊重院長這是您的信仰的問題但我們都非常非常的希望在這個檢討的過程中您已經不再是單純的一個人\n\n13\n00:04:40,991 --> 00:05:04,266\n在這個議場來檢討國家的政務是對的你不要來檢討個人跟信仰的問題沒錯本期當然不會在這裡跟你講個人的問題就要談國家大政嘛如果我們的院長願意在國家大政上面也把他納入深自檢討我認為這對國家來講是一件好的事情2016年您當初聲望崇隆是中研院的院士您是執政團隊那個時候的副總統\n\n14\n00:05:06,647 --> 00:05:19,498\n2020年蔡英文總統競選連任的時候遇到了政治風暴,您選擇成全禮讓,等於為黨解圍有功。到了蔡政府任期的最後,您接手行政院院長,能在這個當下為蔡政府的八年受惠。\n\n15\n00:05:27,785 --> 00:05:54,231\n在這個當下你可以為蔡英文政府的8年收尾算是很難得的機緣但同樣這8年的政府領導相關的責任您當然也有一份請教院長為什麼民進黨會席次衰退您剛剛有講有勝有敗一定有些地方需要檢討請問這段時間的施政有哪一些不得民心的地方有沒有任何具體的檢討方案我給您3分鐘的時間好好論述但希望您可以提出具體的案例院長請發言太好了首先來開始3分鐘\n\n16\n00:05:56,111 --> 00:06:19,168\n實際上蔡總統上任以來我們都可以看得到中華民國臺灣在世界上確實是響亮亮的受到國際的重視。那我們就從2016年開始馬總統不敢做的年金改革我們已經完成了。馬總統的任期內沒有辦法做的國家人權委員會我們也已經成立了。\n\n17\n00:06:19,568 --> 00:06:34,649\n然後在經濟發展上特別是在COVID-19的這一段期間全世界都認同臺灣的COVID-19的防疫是全世界的典範所以總統也被十幾個雜誌作為雜誌的封面更重要的在COVID-19的這一段期間\n\n18\n00:06:35,029 --> 00:06:35,369\n美國經濟研究所\n\n19\n00:06:58,379 --> 00:07:20,368\n二年的時候高達將近五千億因此我們有足夠的經費來推動所有的改善那台灣我們也可以看得到在這一段期間我們所有的建設增加我們不再缺電我們不再缺水更重要的我們民眾有很大的信心那當然我們自己講是沒有用啦更重要的我們在看國際的評比在國際的評比上\n\n20\n00:07:22,609 --> 00:07:51,270\n瑞士洛桑管理學院的國際競爭力的評比臺灣在所有的國家當中是排名在第4名而且更重要的你可以看得到在2000萬人口以上的國家連續排名第一名有4年之多這是臺灣人的光榮臺灣人的驕傲所以在這一段期間的執政確確實實使臺灣在國際上看得見而且更重要的如果在外交上我們可以看得到我們跟美國、歐盟\n\n21\n00:07:51,790 --> 00:08:12,938\n跟加拿大跟日本都有很好很好。沒有沒有我時間還沒有到你給我三分鐘。如果你要打動我也可以啦。你要打動我嗎?所以在這一段期間我們看得到這樣。更重要的你可以看得到臺灣在轉型正義在人權保障上是受到世界上的重視。我們\n\n22\n00:08:13,638 --> 00:08:27,636\n有通過了這個分音平權而且更重要的我們在人權保障上已經被認為是亞洲自由民主人權人道救援的燈塔我們可以把我們自由民主的資助讓整個東亞地區來學習\n\n23\n00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:48,577\n所以我們的民主是亞洲第一名我們的自由經濟是全世界的第四名亞洲的第一名我們的青年的這個印象是從馬總統那個時候落後於28名以後一直到現在都在增加所以不管在政治經濟文化\n\n24\n00:08:49,518 --> 00:09:18,399\n關真等等都有很大的進步。那你剛才講的那一些數據可能是以偏概全。謝謝你。時間到。謝謝院長還願意尊重。不過院長我覺得你剛剛這三分鐘的講話基本上完全叫答非所問。我剛剛問你的題目是為什麼民進黨是有何不得民心的地方以至於你到最後國會選舉的席次大幅衰退。你有沒有相關的檢討方案。你花了三分鐘的時間大幅的論述我們的成績有多麼的好評比有多麼的高\n\n25\n00:09:19,020 --> 00:09:20,032\n院長這不叫檢討\n\n26\n00:09:22,201 --> 00:09:49,442\n這個場合不是你的施政報告也不是你大內宣的舞台我願意給你時間是因為我希望我也相信院長是一個願意反省檢討用嚴格的標準要求自己的行政團隊的人但是你把剛剛的三分鐘的時間對不起請你不要打斷我你把那三分鐘的時間拿來講自己有多好多好我實在很懷疑你心裡到底有沒有檢討兩個字我可以回答嗎不行你的時間已經過了我舉一個例子給你聽既然要談檢討我們就檢討比如說前一段時間我就講桃園的例子\n\n27\n00:09:50,639 --> 00:10:12,284\n政府我認為有若干可疑之處當初台積電當初說要來龍潭設廠行政院當時在沒有完成任何龍科三期可行性評估的前提之下更不用說沒有完善的徵收計畫的前提之下內閣就急功近利越組帶跑搶先宣布一個廠要不要來這邊設廠是企業的事不是政府的事以至於人民焦慮抗爭頻傳\n\n28\n00:10:14,224 --> 00:10:41,569\n最後讓台積電被迫宣布設廠計畫暫緩政府卻選擇在選舉期間大肆抹黑桃園市政府趕走台積電。這樣子的說法無助於解決問題反而加深中央跟地方的矛盾這就是錯上加錯。事實證明天下雜誌也說這個龍潭台積電破局的案子該檢討的是政治人物的急躁表態與粗糙的政策產製流程\n\n29\n00:10:44,210 --> 00:11:08,555\n這個讓園區的擴建計畫一波三折這是天下雜誌的報告我原句轉述我告訴院長事實證明桃園鄉親的眼睛是雪亮的我們都期待農科擴大可以順利的進行我們都希望台積電可以順利的來桃園但是人民不會買單政府空泛的大內宣因為人民期待的是務實可行的政策而不是空頭支票更不是政治詐騙\n\n30\n00:11:09,435 --> 00:11:36,378\n本席要求政府未來在開發產專園區導引產業發展的同時應該要務實的解決用地、能源、財務的問題要低調的規劃要確認所有的程序完備之後你再來宣布好消息這樣才是做產業的後盾這樣才是成就護國神山的正確方式院長我剛講這個案例我舉個例子給你聽\n\n31\n00:11:36,758 --> 00:11:40,901\n我可以回答嗎?你剛剛講的我不同意而且地方政府沒有盡到自己的責任未來我們桃園還有大矽谷的計畫我現在問你一個問題\n\n32\n00:11:54,893 --> 00:11:55,053\n我想﹖\n\n33\n00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:31,549\n桃園市政府都贊成嗎?當然嘛,我當時也沒有反對農科三期的誇大計畫。當時農科也是大家都贊成,可是這件事情當國科會在準備這個用地的時候,當廠商在努力的時候,地方政府有沒有幫忙來做協調呢?所以你剛才講的根本是不符合事實嘛。\n\n34\n00:12:31,869 --> 00:12:35,032\n所以我會覺得以偏蓋前啦沒有錯各個縣市在爭取科學園區的時候就只有桃園市沒有成功阿\n\n35\n00:12:48,627 --> 00:13:12,658\n院長深呼吸。大家都說你是大人哥,不要戰狼上身變成大狼哥啦。聖騎士就聖騎士,不要變聖戰士啦。冷靜,局長。院長,冷靜。冷靜,我一問你一答嘛,好不好。質詢,我們回到這樣子。但是我跟院長要有時間嗎?我跟院長說,我會給你時間。你這樣子就沒有讓我發的時間。我會給你時間,院長,你要先聽我說明嘛。\n\n36\n00:13:13,399 --> 00:13:19,278\n當初行政院在宣布台積電要來桃園的時候連可行性評估都還沒有做請問這樣宣布是合理的嗎?請院長回答\n\n37\n00:13:21,158 --> 00:13:39,392\n這個在宣布說哪一個地方要開科學園區,你現在請問雲林縣政府有沒有說他想爭取科學園區?當然有,嘉義也有,大家都在爭取,所以地方政府要努力來配合嘛。請問院長,在所有程序都不完備的情況下,在所有的行政程序都不完備的情況下,貿然宣布的時候會發生什麼事?院長你有觀察嗎?發生了什麼事?\n\n38\n00:13:51,114 --> 00:14:06,148\n現在台積電確定了沒?還沒對不對可是我告訴你院長這是我們來自基層的觀察宣布來榮科榮壇土地大廠宣布去嘉義嘉義土地大廠宣布去高雄高雄土地大廠通通炒地皮但最後台積電請問去了哪裡?請問去了哪裡?我告訴院長\n\n39\n00:14:14,076 --> 00:14:31,587\n大家都希望爭取,我也希望政府盡量來促成,但是手段程序要完備,做法要務實,完備之後你再來宣布好消息,是不是比較正確?我們當然是完備才來宣布啊,當然,但是立法政府可以宣布他的努力方向。\n\n40\n00:14:32,739 --> 00:14:33,479\n現在各縣市政府\n\n41\n00:15:02,939 --> 00:15:20,533\n各縣市政府要爭取,規要爭取,但是由中央來宣布,你宣布了嗎?要去雲林了嗎?你要不要現在宣布?還是現在宣布去嘉義?是不是由中央來宣布?是不是?應不應該?我想,就我剛才講的嘛,地方政府要來宣布,都是一樣的,這樣的方式啦。\n\n42\n00:15:21,813 --> 00:15:44,678\n我跟你講你現在不要找一個特別的例子來講科學園區的發展國科會有自己主導的權利但是地方政府我們也尊重地方政府的爭取我在當國科會主委的時候嘉義縣政府就已經來爭取他也對外宣布那我們很尊重可是我們會告訴他要可行性評估什麼叫做西部規劃什麼叫做環評\n\n43\n00:15:47,259 --> 00:15:56,432\n這才是正確的流程,但問題是,論壇科學人員是誰宣布的?是內閣行政院親自會刊親自宣布的?這就是問題嘛!我現在講就是不對的嘛!\n\n44\n00:15:57,672 --> 00:16:24,477\n見識政府可以爭取你可以全力協助真的有成績一起宣布拍拍手可是論壇的問題是還沒有程序的時候行政院就宣布這就不對了所以我拿這個例子告訴院長政府的施政哪怕你剛剛花了三分鐘時間講有多好都還是有很多地方是值得改進的是值得商榷的我希望在這場諮詢我們去談總檢討的時候是可以聽到這樣的事情的嘛對不對好啦院長顯然看起來齁這個總諮詢到這個時候\n\n45\n00:16:28,653 --> 00:16:43,908\n總檢討大概也講不出什麼東西啦因為剛剛給你三分鐘給你宣布給你去講你也講不出個東西來我拿一個案例給你聽你還非常強硬說你都是對的所以顯然這八年沒有任何檢討好吧既然沒有檢討那我們就面對未來好了我最近發現你變蠻多的\n\n46\n00:16:45,325 --> 00:17:04,047\n就以前溫文儒雅,現在很凶悍喔。大家都在想說是不是政治上有新的考量。請問院長,新的總統上任之後你會不會續任行政院長?不會。不會。賴清德總統親自邀請你,會不會續任?不會。如果賴清德總統再問了不會,這是不會。跟蔡英文總統也不會嗎?不會。\n\n47\n00:17:05,709 --> 00:17:15,657\n好,看來您的這個意志非常堅決。那麼現在就是看守階段對不對?是。但是看守還是要做事。要戰戰兢兢做到5月19日。戰戰兢兢。而且每一個事情該推動的就推動。何況民進黨繼續執政,所以賴總統跟\n\n48\n00:17:24,804 --> 00:17:31,130\n好非常好啊本期要跟你講的就是說看守內閣啊不應該是等待任期結束的空轉內閣看守內閣要回應人民的期待這就是我剛才講過啦但是我為什麼要跟你檢討\n\n49\n00:17:45,242 --> 00:18:10,548\n因為人民不滿的政策,內閣有這個責任喊停還議啊。所以我剛剛問你哪些做得不夠好,是因為看守內閣有為有守的過程中,浮過利民的繼續做。但是政策有爭議的,民眾顯然不買單的,你要喊停還議。讓新政府的意志來做決定,延續性的重大建設當然不能浪費時間。院長你在選舉前就是行政院長,根據責任政治的原則。\n\n50\n00:18:11,408 --> 00:18:14,188\n我告訴跟院長分享本席心目中看守內閣其實有一個蠻不錯的例子跟你分享2016年的張善政內閣其實當初得到了不分朝野的正面評價\n\n51\n00:18:41,053 --> 00:19:01,528\n面對國民黨當初的敗選張善政前院長在看守內閣的任內他充分尊重了地方的意見他支持林佑昌前市長核准基隆軍港部分移交基隆市政府他支持林佳龍前市長因應台中市的升格核准了台中市府公務人員的名額他支持賴清德前市長\n\n52\n00:19:02,488 --> 00:19:22,466\n讓臺南會展中心的建設預算順利通過。儘管這些縣市當初都是綠營執政但福國利民的事情張善政前院長他沒有浪費時間他也沒有大小眼張善政市長面對不得選民的支持的政策他擔起責任及時喊停桃園的鐵路高架化跟地下化之爭其實\n\n53\n00:19:23,607 --> 00:19:45,361\n談了非常多但人民在2014年跟2016年的兩場選舉用選票否定了國民黨提出的高價化方案。張善政前院長他就擔起了相關的責任在他的任內喊停了高價化的行政程序讓當初執政的鄭文燦前市長有那個空間可以去提出地下化的版本。\n\n54\n00:19:46,301 --> 00:20:14,632\n張前院長的施政留下不分朝野的好評也為當初敗選的國民黨稍微贏回了一些尊嚴這個證明了即便是看守內閣的看守期間我們也依然期待內閣有為有守院長我說有為有守是有些事要做有些事要停才叫有為有守我現在給院長幾個建議看看我們院長面對最新的民意是不是一樣能夠有為有守院長看到這個投影片你知道我常常搭集結來立法院開會嗎\n\n55\n00:20:16,383 --> 00:20:35,634\n我不曉得我常常搭這都是我上班途中留下的剪影這幾天的照片給你做一下參考尖峰期間本來是桃園桃園跟台北的通行組的權益是非常重要的機場捷運的列車還有國道客運常常是班班滿大排長龍的一個情況之下\n\n56\n00:20:36,774 --> 00:20:51,923\n﹗機場捷運線不只服務機場的觀光客,也要服務平常北桃之間的通勤客。現在的狀況是桃園捷運公司在張三正市長的領導下已經連續增班了七八次,但是如果要再增班讓桃園機場\n\n57\n00:20:52,904 --> 00:21:08,055\n的捷運的這個服務量能可以追上臺北捷運好好的服務通勤大眾的時候我們必須有徵購列車的需求這一部分的經費本席希望得到中央的大力支持請問一下院長或者是部長的想法請回答\n\n58\n00:21:08,675 --> 00:21:25,125\n我請部長回答。現在基檢一天大概10萬以上,尤其TPAS上路以後。臺灣市政府也提出徵購車廂的計畫。但是現在有一個題目就是說資產轉移,前任市長已經談好大概10億的轉移。\n\n59\n00:21:26,326 --> 00:21:44,680\n所以我們是在內部台灣希望轉移後我們來支持直達車的車廂我想這部分大概已經在去年12月12號行政院做這樣的結論那這個部分會再跟台灣市政府再做一些溝通目前就是支持直達車的部分會支持\n\n60\n00:21:45,180 --> 00:22:11,069\n這台車的部分佔全部當初提出的車廂採購需求的多少?總數是八十幾億,這台車應該是有五十億吧?我在猜。我們當然站在地方的角度啦,站在桃園市發展的角度。這一條其實憑良心講也不是只有服務桃園的旅客。我每天從A8搭到A1,其實新北的旅客他也是被服務到的,台北市的旅客他也是被服務到的,更不用講全台灣要去機場。\n\n61\n00:22:11,869 --> 00:22:14,130\n各位說明,現在就是用他的財政,他現在三級就是84%\n\n62\n00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:53,170\n指責貨車購車費用的84%,普通車他自己處理,因為普通車是他當時的地方的接應,大概初步,但是我們是希望那個資產移轉在我們行政委討論是趕快來處理,因為這個不處理變成營運或是活動都地方政府在辦,資產還掛在中央。\n\n63\n00:22:55,191 --> 00:23:13,356\n所以基本上至少會有自駕車的50多億的補助就對了?我們現在初步是這樣的一個方案但是這個跟台灣市政府還在討論。還在討論。大概具體的時間表交通部裡面心裡有一個規劃嗎?現在我們已經發案給台灣市政府但是他現在針對尤其那個資產轉移這部分還沒有\n\n64\n00:23:14,036 --> 00:23:19,119\n委員最重要的是資產轉移這件事情提醒桃園市政府趕快來做,然後要購車再提出計畫,這樣子就是循序漸進。\n\n65\n00:23:32,648 --> 00:24:01,677\n中央地方好好合作啦我完全同意好謝謝第二個是這個本期運氣還算不錯啦我住的地方離機場捷運算近但選區內很多市民朋友南崁的也好大竹的也好大塊溪的也好鄉親非常需要穩定的國道客運來進行通勤近年國道客運的狀況非常不OK遇到疫情然後再來是通膨成本大增苦不堪言以至於各個客運業者要退場撂挑子不幹今天早上南崁的5203A就出事啦\n\n66\n00:24:02,037 --> 00:24:26,360\n因為前一個業者退場啦接續的業者落高啊結果今天通勤客全員馬上受到損害啊這件事情談個案在這裡談個案太小了我們要談通案嘛怎麼徹底的改善國道客運的品質讓業者的營運困境司機缺員的困境有一個系統性的解決方案我想這個院長跟部長責務龐大也不用浪費時間有沒有具體的時間表要怎麼改善國道客運的營運狀況請回答\n\n67\n00:24:29,351 --> 00:24:42,228\n各位報告就是說目前第一個是司機不足的部分我們現在每位司機大概花15萬在幫地方訓練現在大概已經到2000位了逐步比如說桃園、桃園科研部也在那個\n\n68\n00:24:43,430 --> 00:25:08,980\n第二個現在那個他的這個整個成本提升最近他們送了一個這個條件新的版本進來對不對我想這部分我們會來支持本期要求重塑啦這應該是贅述審核嘛因為現在退場的狀況很嚴重意思是說讓他有充分的這個收入來營運來營運殺頭生意有人做賠錢生意沒人做嘛對不對這部分現在就是公路局然後交通部會來做審查\n\n69\n00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,862\n他現在初審已經審過,他們應該在幾個禮拜內會送到交通部來,那我們會透過委員會來審查。\n\n70\n00:25:20,063 --> 00:25:41,155\n通過委員會來審查。好不好,這部分也希望部長多永領心把它變成施政的第一優先順位啦。第一怕是1200是好政策,它是造福的通勤組。但你不要有好政策,就實際上配套跟不上,我覺得這就為德不足了好不好。所以不管是季節的列車增班,還有國道客運的營運困境的改善,我認為都是交通部第一要務要處理的事。地方政委要跟我們合作。\n\n71\n00:25:41,775 --> 00:25:42,436\n再來是大的建設院長\n\n72\n00:25:53,756 --> 00:26:14,262\n這龜山的中線捷運我幫他請起命這個規劃的比誰都早但核定的時間真的一直被超車桃園綠線規劃的晚核定的早台中藍線也超車甚至連綠線的延伸線都搶先核定那我龜山鄉親情何以堪這本席還是議員的時候我們要感謝一下副院長我們在最後一次的施政總詢詢的時候要求政前市長表態\n\n73\n00:26:14,762 --> 00:26:14,882\n很快\n\n74\n00:26:39,205 --> 00:27:04,208\n這個就是這個批了沒這個公文對很快就會有好消息很快有沒有一個具體的時間嘛鄉親很期待嘛我講這個福國利民的延續性的建設不久不久就會有好消息不久就會有好消息你這不能再透露一點嗎不可以為什麼不可以建設的好消息這都確定的是啊該宣布就你剛才講的嘛該宣布就宣布你現在又要我提前講所以你自己前後矛盾啊院長\n\n75\n00:27:05,389 --> 00:27:10,111\n這可是因為,來來來,你看一下這張圖表,可行性研究,輕軌改,中間環評通過,交通部審核通過,國發會審核通過,這叫程序完備\n\n76\n00:27:21,394 --> 00:27:29,878\n所以你如果批了就可以宣布?還沒有批就是沒有程序完備對不對?還在審查就是沒有程序完備對不對?現在在講這個我就跟你講你說什麼時候核定我說時間快了嘛\n\n77\n00:27:40,743 --> 00:28:07,004\n我這樣換一個角度問好了,院長,會不會核定?我們退一點,會不會核定?應不應該核定?在這個都已經前面專業的幕僚單位都處理完的情況下,會不會核定?當然核定,就是要經過各式各樣的審查的資料都完全的時候才能核定啊。但是我是跟你講說快了,我現在已經跟你講快了啊。雖然這個我們剛剛有吵架,但沒關係,只要大的建設能落地,我都敢騙你啦,好不好?\n\n78\n00:28:07,865 --> 00:28:29,458\n好,最後兩分鐘了好不好,我也要請教幾個爭議的議題,我們剛剛講看守內閣有為有守,剛剛這些扶國立民的政策叫有為啊,那有些爭議的題目啊,那叫有守啊,因為時間不多了啦,我們也就別吵了,我簡單講一下就好。比如說這段時間大家在討論的印度勞工來台,人心惶惶,它也許只是一個MOU啊,但是這個政策的溝通落地啊,\n\n79\n00:28:29,818 --> 00:28:55,750\n本席認為這個應該是交給新政府來處理嘛因為這剛好在看守期間的事情那也許新政府會有新政府的想法也許值得院長深入的考慮因為民進黨連續執政所以新舊政府之間有很好的溝通而且印度移工的這件事情我們也一再跟總統副總統有在討論所以不需要像你講的你講的張善政的事情是因為\n\n80\n00:28:57,191 --> 00:29:19,322\n沒有連續執政嘛,所以才需要這樣做,我們現在,現在我開始跟你講,印度移工就是要做。最後一分鐘啦,我把他講完啦。復路團客的經歷也是一樣,政府當然有決策的理由,你有你的模式我尊重,但這個政策的時間點啦,我要講的是時間點啦,你是預判賴清德政府會跟大陸烽火連天,所以壞帳先扛嗎?還是你要先言後寬,讓賴清德釋放善意?面價調漲也是如此嘛。\n\n81\n00:29:22,463 --> 00:29:49,694\n這個知識體大嚴重影響民生啊很有可能會導致下一次的通告膨脹看守期間你要幫賴清德當壞人嗎本期先提這幾個案例啊我只是嚴肅提醒啊我嚴肅提醒嚴肅提醒這些議題啊值得在國會有深入的討論而決策應該要尊重新政府的意志而不是看守內閣趁亂過關我希望院長聽得進勸不要一意孤行\n\n82\n00:29:50,074 --> 00:30:12,187\n但你如果非得要一意孤行,那我們只好國會見真章了好不好,謝謝啦。我想喔,這個還有16分鐘,16秒。實際上在這一個過去的這一段時間,總統、副總統跟行政院長都有很好的討論,再加上民進黨要繼續執政,所以這一些的政策實際上就有通盤的討論。所以你根本不只有擔心,講白了就是這樣嘛,謝謝啦。謝謝年委員雪婷的質詢,也謝謝陳院長的備詢。\n\n83\n00:30:20,500 --> 00:30:24,195\n接下來我們請登記第22號王委員定語質詢。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n726\t27089\t行政院長有請,謝謝。請陳院長背刑。好,謝謝院長的祝賀。那本席就有話直說了。請問院長你覺得為什麼我會當選?我覺得當選的話當然是有選民的支持。那為什麼我可以得到選民的支持?\n27728\t50848\t那一定是你比你的對手更強嗎?謝謝院長我放一段影片給你看一下這個是我跟選民的約定也是我在選舉當初能夠很快的打開知名度非常重要的一支影片我放給您看您做一下參考這跟我們今天的總諮詢的題目叫看守內閣的總檢討高度相關那我們就請看影片囉\n53039\t66470\t這7年他們過得很好但你過得好嗎?這幾年來你辛苦念書卻看到他們拿著假學歷在高位上思維素餐你每天收到詐騙簡訊他們卻開著詐騙集團的車用詐騙集團捐的法\n71474\t99493\t連找份工作都要擔心會不會被凌虐、被性侵、被強災器官永遠回不了家而這些人卻只要10萬元就能交保回家你買不到的雞蛋他們只需要花1000元開個公司過一手就賺好幾千萬你買不到的快餐他們可以讓小吃店轉型轉手就拿16億的標案連你開燈吹冷氣他們都能找出方法讓自己有得賺\n101247\t125789\t這7年你的薪水有增加嗎?你有感受到公平正義嗎?他們把8800億的負債留給你的孩子,把高昂的電費留給你的孩子,把充滿詐騙、低薪、貪腐、不公的台灣留給你的孩子,甚至讓你根本不敢生孩子。這7年他們過得很好,但你真的過得好嗎?\n127065\t132377\t你想要就這樣算了嗎?請您和我一起為了下一代找回公平正義。\n137196\t158659\t跟院長報告在過去一年的選舉中我們辦了超過一百多場的街頭演講會這支影片每一場演講會我們都放搭配我們常常在演講中常講掛在嘴邊的一句話叫做黃青國氣發大財深斗小民苦哈哈搭配這支影片我們在選舉的過程中講出了平民百姓的苦和怒\n159724\t185027\t物價飛漲房價飛漲我們覺得不公平各種國家對爭議連連我們覺得不公平詐騙橫行打擊不利我們覺得不公平論文造假硬拗我們覺得不公平院長可以等一下再回答但是我要跟院長講我剛剛問說為什麼我會當選我告訴你我的答案如果我們在選舉過程中作為民意代表沒有辦法反映社會基層真實的心聲\n185968\t208162\t我這個年輕人何德何能可以當選呢?也請院長理解當選之後我們如果沒有把這樣子的心聲帶進國會那是有負選民的托付我現在要開始請問院長民進黨雖然在這一次的選舉延續了中央的執政權力但在國會的席次大幅的衰退失去了完全執政的優勢請問院長這算勝選還是敗選?有勝有輸有勝有負那你覺得總體來說是勝選還是敗選?\n216101\t219743\t你覺得你不應該為這樣選舉的結果負起一定的責任?我想每一個人在競選沒有辦法這個全勝的時候都應該要檢討。\n233137\t234917\t我想這是我跟天主的事你沒有辦法過問不能過問是吧\n261738\t277068\t好 這個本席願意尊重但是我願意正面解讀剛剛院長講說面對這一場選舉可能要檢討的事情我個人是非常希望對我尊重院長這是您的信仰的問題但我們都非常非常的希望在這個檢討的過程中您已經不再是單純的一個人\n280991\t304266\t在這個議場來檢討國家的政務是對的你不要來檢討個人跟信仰的問題沒錯本期當然不會在這裡跟你講個人的問題就要談國家大政嘛如果我們的院長願意在國家大政上面也把他納入深自檢討我認為這對國家來講是一件好的事情2016年您當初聲望崇隆是中研院的院士您是執政團隊那個時候的副總統\n306647\t319498\t2020年蔡英文總統競選連任的時候遇到了政治風暴,您選擇成全禮讓,等於為黨解圍有功。到了蔡政府任期的最後,您接手行政院院長,能在這個當下為蔡政府的八年受惠。\n327785\t354231\t在這個當下你可以為蔡英文政府的8年收尾算是很難得的機緣但同樣這8年的政府領導相關的責任您當然也有一份請教院長為什麼民進黨會席次衰退您剛剛有講有勝有敗一定有些地方需要檢討請問這段時間的施政有哪一些不得民心的地方有沒有任何具體的檢討方案我給您3分鐘的時間好好論述但希望您可以提出具體的案例院長請發言太好了首先來開始3分鐘\n356111\t379168\t實際上蔡總統上任以來我們都可以看得到中華民國臺灣在世界上確實是響亮亮的受到國際的重視。那我們就從2016年開始馬總統不敢做的年金改革我們已經完成了。馬總統的任期內沒有辦法做的國家人權委員會我們也已經成立了。\n379568\t394649\t然後在經濟發展上特別是在COVID-19的這一段期間全世界都認同臺灣的COVID-19的防疫是全世界的典範所以總統也被十幾個雜誌作為雜誌的封面更重要的在COVID-19的這一段期間\n395029\t395369\t美國經濟研究所\n418379\t440368\t二年的時候高達將近五千億因此我們有足夠的經費來推動所有的改善那台灣我們也可以看得到在這一段期間我們所有的建設增加我們不再缺電我們不再缺水更重要的我們民眾有很大的信心那當然我們自己講是沒有用啦更重要的我們在看國際的評比在國際的評比上\n442609\t471270\t瑞士洛桑管理學院的國際競爭力的評比臺灣在所有的國家當中是排名在第4名而且更重要的你可以看得到在2000萬人口以上的國家連續排名第一名有4年之多這是臺灣人的光榮臺灣人的驕傲所以在這一段期間的執政確確實實使臺灣在國際上看得見而且更重要的如果在外交上我們可以看得到我們跟美國、歐盟\n471790\t492938\t跟加拿大跟日本都有很好很好。沒有沒有我時間還沒有到你給我三分鐘。如果你要打動我也可以啦。你要打動我嗎?所以在這一段期間我們看得到這樣。更重要的你可以看得到臺灣在轉型正義在人權保障上是受到世界上的重視。我們\n493638\t507636\t有通過了這個分音平權而且更重要的我們在人權保障上已經被認為是亞洲自由民主人權人道救援的燈塔我們可以把我們自由民主的資助讓整個東亞地區來學習\n510680\t528577\t所以我們的民主是亞洲第一名我們的自由經濟是全世界的第四名亞洲的第一名我們的青年的這個印象是從馬總統那個時候落後於28名以後一直到現在都在增加所以不管在政治經濟文化\n529518\t558399\t關真等等都有很大的進步。那你剛才講的那一些數據可能是以偏概全。謝謝你。時間到。謝謝院長還願意尊重。不過院長我覺得你剛剛這三分鐘的講話基本上完全叫答非所問。我剛剛問你的題目是為什麼民進黨是有何不得民心的地方以至於你到最後國會選舉的席次大幅衰退。你有沒有相關的檢討方案。你花了三分鐘的時間大幅的論述我們的成績有多麼的好評比有多麼的高\n559020\t560032\t院長這不叫檢討\n562201\t589442\t這個場合不是你的施政報告也不是你大內宣的舞台我願意給你時間是因為我希望我也相信院長是一個願意反省檢討用嚴格的標準要求自己的行政團隊的人但是你把剛剛的三分鐘的時間對不起請你不要打斷我你把那三分鐘的時間拿來講自己有多好多好我實在很懷疑你心裡到底有沒有檢討兩個字我可以回答嗎不行你的時間已經過了我舉一個例子給你聽既然要談檢討我們就檢討比如說前一段時間我就講桃園的例子\n590639\t612284\t政府我認為有若干可疑之處當初台積電當初說要來龍潭設廠行政院當時在沒有完成任何龍科三期可行性評估的前提之下更不用說沒有完善的徵收計畫的前提之下內閣就急功近利越組帶跑搶先宣布一個廠要不要來這邊設廠是企業的事不是政府的事以至於人民焦慮抗爭頻傳\n614224\t641569\t最後讓台積電被迫宣布設廠計畫暫緩政府卻選擇在選舉期間大肆抹黑桃園市政府趕走台積電。這樣子的說法無助於解決問題反而加深中央跟地方的矛盾這就是錯上加錯。事實證明天下雜誌也說這個龍潭台積電破局的案子該檢討的是政治人物的急躁表態與粗糙的政策產製流程\n644210\t668555\t這個讓園區的擴建計畫一波三折這是天下雜誌的報告我原句轉述我告訴院長事實證明桃園鄉親的眼睛是雪亮的我們都期待農科擴大可以順利的進行我們都希望台積電可以順利的來桃園但是人民不會買單政府空泛的大內宣因為人民期待的是務實可行的政策而不是空頭支票更不是政治詐騙\n669435\t696378\t本席要求政府未來在開發產專園區導引產業發展的同時應該要務實的解決用地、能源、財務的問題要低調的規劃要確認所有的程序完備之後你再來宣布好消息這樣才是做產業的後盾這樣才是成就護國神山的正確方式院長我剛講這個案例我舉個例子給你聽\n696758\t700901\t我可以回答嗎?你剛剛講的我不同意而且地方政府沒有盡到自己的責任未來我們桃園還有大矽谷的計畫我現在問你一個問題\n714893\t715053\t我想﹖\n731680\t751549\t桃園市政府都贊成嗎?當然嘛,我當時也沒有反對農科三期的誇大計畫。當時農科也是大家都贊成,可是這件事情當國科會在準備這個用地的時候,當廠商在努力的時候,地方政府有沒有幫忙來做協調呢?所以你剛才講的根本是不符合事實嘛。\n751869\t755032\t所以我會覺得以偏蓋前啦沒有錯各個縣市在爭取科學園區的時候就只有桃園市沒有成功阿\n768627\t792658\t院長深呼吸。大家都說你是大人哥,不要戰狼上身變成大狼哥啦。聖騎士就聖騎士,不要變聖戰士啦。冷靜,局長。院長,冷靜。冷靜,我一問你一答嘛,好不好。質詢,我們回到這樣子。但是我跟院長要有時間嗎?我跟院長說,我會給你時間。你這樣子就沒有讓我發的時間。我會給你時間,院長,你要先聽我說明嘛。\n793399\t799278\t當初行政院在宣布台積電要來桃園的時候連可行性評估都還沒有做請問這樣宣布是合理的嗎?請院長回答\n801158\t819392\t這個在宣布說哪一個地方要開科學園區,你現在請問雲林縣政府有沒有說他想爭取科學園區?當然有,嘉義也有,大家都在爭取,所以地方政府要努力來配合嘛。請問院長,在所有程序都不完備的情況下,在所有的行政程序都不完備的情況下,貿然宣布的時候會發生什麼事?院長你有觀察嗎?發生了什麼事?\n831114\t846148\t現在台積電確定了沒?還沒對不對可是我告訴你院長這是我們來自基層的觀察宣布來榮科榮壇土地大廠宣布去嘉義嘉義土地大廠宣布去高雄高雄土地大廠通通炒地皮但最後台積電請問去了哪裡?請問去了哪裡?我告訴院長\n854076\t871587\t大家都希望爭取,我也希望政府盡量來促成,但是手段程序要完備,做法要務實,完備之後你再來宣布好消息,是不是比較正確?我們當然是完備才來宣布啊,當然,但是立法政府可以宣布他的努力方向。\n872739\t873479\t現在各縣市政府\n902939\t920533\t各縣市政府要爭取,規要爭取,但是由中央來宣布,你宣布了嗎?要去雲林了嗎?你要不要現在宣布?還是現在宣布去嘉義?是不是由中央來宣布?是不是?應不應該?我想,就我剛才講的嘛,地方政府要來宣布,都是一樣的,這樣的方式啦。\n921813\t944678\t我跟你講你現在不要找一個特別的例子來講科學園區的發展國科會有自己主導的權利但是地方政府我們也尊重地方政府的爭取我在當國科會主委的時候嘉義縣政府就已經來爭取他也對外宣布那我們很尊重可是我們會告訴他要可行性評估什麼叫做西部規劃什麼叫做環評\n947259\t956432\t這才是正確的流程,但問題是,論壇科學人員是誰宣布的?是內閣行政院親自會刊親自宣布的?這就是問題嘛!我現在講就是不對的嘛!\n957672\t984477\t見識政府可以爭取你可以全力協助真的有成績一起宣布拍拍手可是論壇的問題是還沒有程序的時候行政院就宣布這就不對了所以我拿這個例子告訴院長政府的施政哪怕你剛剛花了三分鐘時間講有多好都還是有很多地方是值得改進的是值得商榷的我希望在這場諮詢我們去談總檢討的時候是可以聽到這樣的事情的嘛對不對好啦院長顯然看起來齁這個總諮詢到這個時候\n988653\t1003908\t總檢討大概也講不出什麼東西啦因為剛剛給你三分鐘給你宣布給你去講你也講不出個東西來我拿一個案例給你聽你還非常強硬說你都是對的所以顯然這八年沒有任何檢討好吧既然沒有檢討那我們就面對未來好了我最近發現你變蠻多的\n1005325\t1024047\t就以前溫文儒雅,現在很凶悍喔。大家都在想說是不是政治上有新的考量。請問院長,新的總統上任之後你會不會續任行政院長?不會。不會。賴清德總統親自邀請你,會不會續任?不會。如果賴清德總統再問了不會,這是不會。跟蔡英文總統也不會嗎?不會。\n1025709\t1035657\t好,看來您的這個意志非常堅決。那麼現在就是看守階段對不對?是。但是看守還是要做事。要戰戰兢兢做到5月19日。戰戰兢兢。而且每一個事情該推動的就推動。何況民進黨繼續執政,所以賴總統跟\n1044804\t1051130\t好 非常好啊本期要跟你講的就是說看守內閣啊不應該是等待任期結束的空轉內閣看守內閣要回應人民的期待這就是我剛才講過啦但是我為什麼要跟你檢討\n1065242\t1090548\t因為人民不滿的政策,內閣有這個責任喊停還議啊。所以我剛剛問你哪些做得不夠好,是因為看守內閣有為有守的過程中,浮過利民的繼續做。但是政策有爭議的,民眾顯然不買單的,你要喊停還議。讓新政府的意志來做決定,延續性的重大建設當然不能浪費時間。院長你在選舉前就是行政院長,根據責任政治的原則。\n1091408\t1094188\t我告訴跟院長分享本席心目中看守內閣其實有一個蠻不錯的例子跟你分享2016年的張善政內閣其實當初得到了不分朝野的正面評價\n1121053\t1141528\t面對國民黨當初的敗選張善政前院長在看守內閣的任內他充分尊重了地方的意見他支持林佑昌前市長核准基隆軍港部分移交基隆市政府他支持林佳龍前市長因應台中市的升格核准了台中市府公務人員的名額他支持賴清德前市長\n1142488\t1162466\t讓臺南會展中心的建設預算順利通過。儘管這些縣市當初都是綠營執政但福國利民的事情張善政前院長他沒有浪費時間他也沒有大小眼張善政市長面對不得選民的支持的政策他擔起責任及時喊停桃園的鐵路高架化跟地下化之爭其實\n1163607\t1185361\t談了非常多但人民在2014年跟2016年的兩場選舉用選票否定了國民黨提出的高價化方案。張善政前院長他就擔起了相關的責任在他的任內喊停了高價化的行政程序讓當初執政的鄭文燦前市長有那個空間可以去提出地下化的版本。\n1186301\t1214632\t張前院長的施政留下不分朝野的好評也為當初敗選的國民黨稍微贏回了一些尊嚴這個證明了即便是看守內閣的看守期間我們也依然期待內閣有為有守院長我說有為有守是有些事要做有些事要停才叫有為有守我現在給院長幾個建議看看我們院長面對最新的民意是不是一樣能夠有為有守院長看到這個投影片你知道我常常搭集結來立法院開會嗎\n1216383\t1235634\t我不曉得我常常搭這都是我上班途中留下的剪影這幾天的照片給你做一下參考尖峰期間本來是桃園桃園跟台北的通行組的權益是非常重要的機場捷運的列車還有國道客運常常是班班滿大排長龍的一個情況之下\n1236774\t1251923\t﹗機場捷運線不只服務機場的觀光客,也要服務平常北桃之間的通勤客。現在的狀況是桃園捷運公司在張三正市長的領導下已經連續增班了七八次,但是如果要再增班讓桃園機場\n1252904\t1268055\t的捷運的這個服務量能可以追上臺北捷運好好的服務通勤大眾的時候我們必須有徵購列車的需求這一部分的經費本席希望得到中央的大力支持請問一下院長或者是部長的想法請回答\n1268675\t1285125\t我請部長回答。現在基檢一天大概10萬以上,尤其TPAS上路以後。臺灣市政府也提出徵購車廂的計畫。但是現在有一個題目就是說資產轉移,前任市長已經談好大概10億的轉移。\n1286326\t1304680\t所以我們是在內部台灣希望轉移後我們來支持直達車的車廂我想這部分大概已經在去年12月12號行政院做這樣的結論那這個部分會再跟台灣市政府再做一些溝通目前就是支持直達車的部分會支持\n1305180\t1331069\t這台車的部分佔全部當初提出的車廂採購需求的多少?總數是八十幾億,這台車應該是有五十億吧?我在猜。我們當然站在地方的角度啦,站在桃園市發展的角度。這一條其實憑良心講也不是只有服務桃園的旅客。我每天從A8搭到A1,其實新北的旅客他也是被服務到的,台北市的旅客他也是被服務到的,更不用講全台灣要去機場。\n1331869\t1334130\t各位說明,現在就是用他的財政,他現在三級就是84%\n1356040\t1373170\t指責貨車購車費用的84%,普通車他自己處理,因為普通車是他當時的地方的接應,大概初步,但是我們是希望那個資產移轉在我們行政委討論是趕快來處理,因為這個不處理變成營運或是活動都地方政府在辦,資產還掛在中央。\n1375191\t1393356\t所以基本上至少會有自駕車的50多億的補助就對了?我們現在初步是這樣的一個方案但是這個跟台灣市政府還在討論。還在討論。大概具體的時間表交通部裡面心裡有一個規劃嗎?現在我們已經發案給台灣市政府但是他現在針對尤其那個資產轉移這部分還沒有\n1394036\t1399119\t委員 最重要的是資產轉移這件事情提醒桃園市政府趕快來做,然後要購車再提出計畫,這樣子就是循序漸進。\n1412648\t1441677\t中央地方好好合作啦我完全同意好謝謝第二個是這個本期運氣還算不錯啦我住的地方離機場捷運算近但選區內很多市民朋友南崁的也好大竹的也好大塊溪的也好鄉親非常需要穩定的國道客運來進行通勤近年國道客運的狀況非常不OK遇到疫情然後再來是通膨成本大增苦不堪言以至於各個客運業者要退場撂挑子不幹今天早上南崁的5203A就出事啦\n1442037\t1466360\t因為前一個業者退場啦接續的業者落高啊結果今天通勤客全員馬上受到損害啊這件事情談個案在這裡談個案太小了我們要談通案嘛怎麼徹底的改善國道客運的品質讓業者的營運困境司機缺員的困境有一個系統性的解決方案我想這個院長跟部長責務龐大也不用浪費時間有沒有具體的時間表要怎麼改善國道客運的營運狀況請回答\n1469351\t1482228\t各位報告就是說目前第一個是司機不足的部分我們現在每位司機大概花15萬在幫地方訓練現在大概已經到2000位了逐步比如說桃園、桃園科研部也在那個\n1483430\t1508980\t第二個現在那個他的這個整個成本提升最近他們送了一個這個條件新的版本進來對不對我想這部分我們會來支持本期要求重塑啦這應該是贅述審核嘛因為現在退場的狀況很嚴重意思是說讓他有充分的這個收入來營運來營運殺頭生意有人做賠錢生意沒人做嘛對不對這部分現在就是公路局然後交通部會來做審查\n1509960\t1511862\t他現在初審已經審過,他們應該在幾個禮拜內會送到交通部來,那我們會透過委員會來審查。\n1520063\t1541155\t通過委員會來審查。好不好,這部分也希望部長多永領心把它變成施政的第一優先順位啦。第一怕是1200是好政策,它是造福的通勤組。但你不要有好政策,就實際上配套跟不上,我覺得這就為德不足了好不好。所以不管是季節的列車增班,還有國道客運的營運困境的改善,我認為都是交通部第一要務要處理的事。地方政委要跟我們合作。\n1541775\t1542436\t再來是大的建設院長\n1553756\t1574262\t這龜山的中線捷運我幫他請起命這個規劃的比誰都早但核定的時間真的一直被超車桃園綠線規劃的晚核定的早台中藍線也超車甚至連綠線的延伸線都搶先核定那我龜山鄉親情何以堪這本席還是議員的時候我們要感謝一下副院長我們在最後一次的施政總詢詢的時候要求政前市長表態\n1574762\t1574882\t很快\n1599205\t1624208\t這個就是 這個批了沒 這個公文對 很快就會有好消息很快 有沒有一個具體的時間嘛 鄉親很期待嘛 我講這個福國利民的延續性的建設不久 不久就會有好消息不久就會有好消息 你這不能再透露一點嗎 不可以為什麼不可以 建設的好消息 這都確定的是啊該宣布 就你剛才講的嘛 該宣布就宣布你現在又要我提前講 所以你自己前後矛盾啊 院長\n1625389\t1630111\t這可是因為,來來來,你看一下這張圖表,可行性研究,輕軌改,中間環評通過,交通部審核通過,國發會審核通過,這叫程序完備\n1641394\t1649878\t所以你如果批了就可以宣布?還沒有批就是沒有程序完備對不對?還在審查就是沒有程序完備對不對?現在在講這個我就跟你講你說什麼時候核定我說時間快了嘛\n1660743\t1687004\t我這樣換一個角度問好了,院長,會不會核定?我們退一點,會不會核定?應不應該核定?在這個都已經前面專業的幕僚單位都處理完的情況下,會不會核定?當然核定,就是要經過各式各樣的審查的資料都完全的時候才能核定啊。但是我是跟你講說快了,我現在已經跟你講快了啊。雖然這個我們剛剛有吵架,但沒關係,只要大的建設能落地,我都敢騙你啦,好不好?\n1687865\t1709458\t好,最後兩分鐘了好不好,我也要請教幾個爭議的議題,我們剛剛講看守內閣有為有守,剛剛這些扶國立民的政策叫有為啊,那有些爭議的題目啊,那叫有守啊,因為時間不多了啦,我們也就別吵了,我簡單講一下就好。比如說這段時間大家在討論的印度勞工來台,人心惶惶,它也許只是一個MOU啊,但是這個政策的溝通落地啊,\n1709818\t1735750\t本席認為這個應該是交給新政府來處理嘛因為這剛好在看守期間的事情那也許新政府會有新政府的想法也許值得院長深入的考慮因為民進黨連續執政所以新舊政府之間有很好的溝通而且印度移工的這件事情我們也一再跟總統副總統有在討論所以不需要像你講的你講的張善政的事情是因為\n1737191\t1759322\t沒有連續執政嘛,所以才需要這樣做,我們現在,現在我開始跟你講,印度移工就是要做。最後一分鐘啦,我把他講完啦。復路團客的經歷也是一樣,政府當然有決策的理由,你有你的模式我尊重,但這個政策的時間點啦,我要講的是時間點啦,你是預判賴清德政府會跟大陸烽火連天,所以壞帳先扛嗎?還是你要先言後寬,讓賴清德釋放善意?面價調漲也是如此嘛。\n1762463\t1789694\t這個知識體大嚴重影響民生啊很有可能會導致下一次的通告膨脹看守期間你要幫賴清德當壞人嗎本期先提這幾個案例啊我只是嚴肅提醒啊我嚴肅提醒嚴肅提醒這些議題啊值得在國會有深入的討論而決策應該要尊重新政府的意志而不是看守內閣趁亂過關我希望院長聽得進勸不要一意孤行\n1790074\t1812187\t但你如果非得要一意孤行,那我們只好國會見真章了好不好,謝謝啦。我想喔,這個還有16分鐘,16秒。實際上在這一個過去的這一段時間,總統、副總統跟行政院長都有很好的討論,再加上民進黨要繼續執政,所以這一些的政策實際上就有通盤的討論。所以你根本不只有擔心,講白了就是這樣嘛,謝謝啦。謝謝年委員雪婷的質詢,也謝謝陳院長的備詢。\n1820500\t1824195\t接下來我們請登記第22號王委員定語質詢。\n","txt":"行政院長有請,謝謝。請陳院長背刑。好,謝謝院長的祝賀。那本席就有話直說了。請問院長你覺得為什麼我會當選?我覺得當選的話當然是有選民的支持。那為什麼我可以得到選民的支持?\n那一定是你比你的對手更強嗎?謝謝院長我放一段影片給你看一下這個是我跟選民的約定也是我在選舉當初能夠很快的打開知名度非常重要的一支影片我放給您看您做一下參考這跟我們今天的總諮詢的題目叫看守內閣的總檢討高度相關那我們就請看影片囉\n這7年他們過得很好但你過得好嗎?這幾年來你辛苦念書卻看到他們拿著假學歷在高位上思維素餐你每天收到詐騙簡訊他們卻開著詐騙集團的車用詐騙集團捐的法\n連找份工作都要擔心會不會被凌虐、被性侵、被強災器官永遠回不了家而這些人卻只要10萬元就能交保回家你買不到的雞蛋他們只需要花1000元開個公司過一手就賺好幾千萬你買不到的快餐他們可以讓小吃店轉型轉手就拿16億的標案連你開燈吹冷氣他們都能找出方法讓自己有得賺\n這7年你的薪水有增加嗎?你有感受到公平正義嗎?他們把8800億的負債留給你的孩子,把高昂的電費留給你的孩子,把充滿詐騙、低薪、貪腐、不公的台灣留給你的孩子,甚至讓你根本不敢生孩子。這7年他們過得很好,但你真的過得好嗎?\n你想要就這樣算了嗎?請您和我一起為了下一代找回公平正義。\n跟院長報告在過去一年的選舉中我們辦了超過一百多場的街頭演講會這支影片每一場演講會我們都放搭配我們常常在演講中常講掛在嘴邊的一句話叫做黃青國氣發大財深斗小民苦哈哈搭配這支影片我們在選舉的過程中講出了平民百姓的苦和怒\n物價飛漲房價飛漲我們覺得不公平各種國家對爭議連連我們覺得不公平詐騙橫行打擊不利我們覺得不公平論文造假硬拗我們覺得不公平院長可以等一下再回答但是我要跟院長講我剛剛問說為什麼我會當選我告訴你我的答案如果我們在選舉過程中作為民意代表沒有辦法反映社會基層真實的心聲\n我這個年輕人何德何能可以當選呢?也請院長理解當選之後我們如果沒有把這樣子的心聲帶進國會那是有負選民的托付我現在要開始請問院長民進黨雖然在這一次的選舉延續了中央的執政權力但在國會的席次大幅的衰退失去了完全執政的優勢請問院長這算勝選還是敗選?有勝有輸有勝有負那你覺得總體來說是勝選還是敗選?\n你覺得你不應該為這樣選舉的結果負起一定的責任?我想每一個人在競選沒有辦法這個全勝的時候都應該要檢討。\n我想這是我跟天主的事你沒有辦法過問不能過問是吧\n好 這個本席願意尊重但是我願意正面解讀剛剛院長講說面對這一場選舉可能要檢討的事情我個人是非常希望對我尊重院長這是您的信仰的問題但我們都非常非常的希望在這個檢討的過程中您已經不再是單純的一個人\n在這個議場來檢討國家的政務是對的你不要來檢討個人跟信仰的問題沒錯本期當然不會在這裡跟你講個人的問題就要談國家大政嘛如果我們的院長願意在國家大政上面也把他納入深自檢討我認為這對國家來講是一件好的事情2016年您當初聲望崇隆是中研院的院士您是執政團隊那個時候的副總統\n2020年蔡英文總統競選連任的時候遇到了政治風暴,您選擇成全禮讓,等於為黨解圍有功。到了蔡政府任期的最後,您接手行政院院長,能在這個當下為蔡政府的八年受惠。\n在這個當下你可以為蔡英文政府的8年收尾算是很難得的機緣但同樣這8年的政府領導相關的責任您當然也有一份請教院長為什麼民進黨會席次衰退您剛剛有講有勝有敗一定有些地方需要檢討請問這段時間的施政有哪一些不得民心的地方有沒有任何具體的檢討方案我給您3分鐘的時間好好論述但希望您可以提出具體的案例院長請發言太好了首先來開始3分鐘\n實際上蔡總統上任以來我們都可以看得到中華民國臺灣在世界上確實是響亮亮的受到國際的重視。那我們就從2016年開始馬總統不敢做的年金改革我們已經完成了。馬總統的任期內沒有辦法做的國家人權委員會我們也已經成立了。\n然後在經濟發展上特別是在COVID-19的這一段期間全世界都認同臺灣的COVID-19的防疫是全世界的典範所以總統也被十幾個雜誌作為雜誌的封面更重要的在COVID-19的這一段期間\n美國經濟研究所\n二年的時候高達將近五千億因此我們有足夠的經費來推動所有的改善那台灣我們也可以看得到在這一段期間我們所有的建設增加我們不再缺電我們不再缺水更重要的我們民眾有很大的信心那當然我們自己講是沒有用啦更重要的我們在看國際的評比在國際的評比上\n瑞士洛桑管理學院的國際競爭力的評比臺灣在所有的國家當中是排名在第4名而且更重要的你可以看得到在2000萬人口以上的國家連續排名第一名有4年之多這是臺灣人的光榮臺灣人的驕傲所以在這一段期間的執政確確實實使臺灣在國際上看得見而且更重要的如果在外交上我們可以看得到我們跟美國、歐盟\n跟加拿大跟日本都有很好很好。沒有沒有我時間還沒有到你給我三分鐘。如果你要打動我也可以啦。你要打動我嗎?所以在這一段期間我們看得到這樣。更重要的你可以看得到臺灣在轉型正義在人權保障上是受到世界上的重視。我們\n有通過了這個分音平權而且更重要的我們在人權保障上已經被認為是亞洲自由民主人權人道救援的燈塔我們可以把我們自由民主的資助讓整個東亞地區來學習\n所以我們的民主是亞洲第一名我們的自由經濟是全世界的第四名亞洲的第一名我們的青年的這個印象是從馬總統那個時候落後於28名以後一直到現在都在增加所以不管在政治經濟文化\n關真等等都有很大的進步。那你剛才講的那一些數據可能是以偏概全。謝謝你。時間到。謝謝院長還願意尊重。不過院長我覺得你剛剛這三分鐘的講話基本上完全叫答非所問。我剛剛問你的題目是為什麼民進黨是有何不得民心的地方以至於你到最後國會選舉的席次大幅衰退。你有沒有相關的檢討方案。你花了三分鐘的時間大幅的論述我們的成績有多麼的好評比有多麼的高\n院長這不叫檢討\n這個場合不是你的施政報告也不是你大內宣的舞台我願意給你時間是因為我希望我也相信院長是一個願意反省檢討用嚴格的標準要求自己的行政團隊的人但是你把剛剛的三分鐘的時間對不起請你不要打斷我你把那三分鐘的時間拿來講自己有多好多好我實在很懷疑你心裡到底有沒有檢討兩個字我可以回答嗎不行你的時間已經過了我舉一個例子給你聽既然要談檢討我們就檢討比如說前一段時間我就講桃園的例子\n政府我認為有若干可疑之處當初台積電當初說要來龍潭設廠行政院當時在沒有完成任何龍科三期可行性評估的前提之下更不用說沒有完善的徵收計畫的前提之下內閣就急功近利越組帶跑搶先宣布一個廠要不要來這邊設廠是企業的事不是政府的事以至於人民焦慮抗爭頻傳\n最後讓台積電被迫宣布設廠計畫暫緩政府卻選擇在選舉期間大肆抹黑桃園市政府趕走台積電。這樣子的說法無助於解決問題反而加深中央跟地方的矛盾這就是錯上加錯。事實證明天下雜誌也說這個龍潭台積電破局的案子該檢討的是政治人物的急躁表態與粗糙的政策產製流程\n這個讓園區的擴建計畫一波三折這是天下雜誌的報告我原句轉述我告訴院長事實證明桃園鄉親的眼睛是雪亮的我們都期待農科擴大可以順利的進行我們都希望台積電可以順利的來桃園但是人民不會買單政府空泛的大內宣因為人民期待的是務實可行的政策而不是空頭支票更不是政治詐騙\n本席要求政府未來在開發產專園區導引產業發展的同時應該要務實的解決用地、能源、財務的問題要低調的規劃要確認所有的程序完備之後你再來宣布好消息這樣才是做產業的後盾這樣才是成就護國神山的正確方式院長我剛講這個案例我舉個例子給你聽\n我可以回答嗎?你剛剛講的我不同意而且地方政府沒有盡到自己的責任未來我們桃園還有大矽谷的計畫我現在問你一個問題\n我想﹖\n桃園市政府都贊成嗎?當然嘛,我當時也沒有反對農科三期的誇大計畫。當時農科也是大家都贊成,可是這件事情當國科會在準備這個用地的時候,當廠商在努力的時候,地方政府有沒有幫忙來做協調呢?所以你剛才講的根本是不符合事實嘛。\n所以我會覺得以偏蓋前啦沒有錯各個縣市在爭取科學園區的時候就只有桃園市沒有成功阿\n院長深呼吸。大家都說你是大人哥,不要戰狼上身變成大狼哥啦。聖騎士就聖騎士,不要變聖戰士啦。冷靜,局長。院長,冷靜。冷靜,我一問你一答嘛,好不好。質詢,我們回到這樣子。但是我跟院長要有時間嗎?我跟院長說,我會給你時間。你這樣子就沒有讓我發的時間。我會給你時間,院長,你要先聽我說明嘛。\n當初行政院在宣布台積電要來桃園的時候連可行性評估都還沒有做請問這樣宣布是合理的嗎?請院長回答\n這個在宣布說哪一個地方要開科學園區,你現在請問雲林縣政府有沒有說他想爭取科學園區?當然有,嘉義也有,大家都在爭取,所以地方政府要努力來配合嘛。請問院長,在所有程序都不完備的情況下,在所有的行政程序都不完備的情況下,貿然宣布的時候會發生什麼事?院長你有觀察嗎?發生了什麼事?\n現在台積電確定了沒?還沒對不對可是我告訴你院長這是我們來自基層的觀察宣布來榮科榮壇土地大廠宣布去嘉義嘉義土地大廠宣布去高雄高雄土地大廠通通炒地皮但最後台積電請問去了哪裡?請問去了哪裡?我告訴院長\n大家都希望爭取,我也希望政府盡量來促成,但是手段程序要完備,做法要務實,完備之後你再來宣布好消息,是不是比較正確?我們當然是完備才來宣布啊,當然,但是立法政府可以宣布他的努力方向。\n現在各縣市政府\n各縣市政府要爭取,規要爭取,但是由中央來宣布,你宣布了嗎?要去雲林了嗎?你要不要現在宣布?還是現在宣布去嘉義?是不是由中央來宣布?是不是?應不應該?我想,就我剛才講的嘛,地方政府要來宣布,都是一樣的,這樣的方式啦。\n我跟你講你現在不要找一個特別的例子來講科學園區的發展國科會有自己主導的權利但是地方政府我們也尊重地方政府的爭取我在當國科會主委的時候嘉義縣政府就已經來爭取他也對外宣布那我們很尊重可是我們會告訴他要可行性評估什麼叫做西部規劃什麼叫做環評\n這才是正確的流程,但問題是,論壇科學人員是誰宣布的?是內閣行政院親自會刊親自宣布的?這就是問題嘛!我現在講就是不對的嘛!\n見識政府可以爭取你可以全力協助真的有成績一起宣布拍拍手可是論壇的問題是還沒有程序的時候行政院就宣布這就不對了所以我拿這個例子告訴院長政府的施政哪怕你剛剛花了三分鐘時間講有多好都還是有很多地方是值得改進的是值得商榷的我希望在這場諮詢我們去談總檢討的時候是可以聽到這樣的事情的嘛對不對好啦院長顯然看起來齁這個總諮詢到這個時候\n總檢討大概也講不出什麼東西啦因為剛剛給你三分鐘給你宣布給你去講你也講不出個東西來我拿一個案例給你聽你還非常強硬說你都是對的所以顯然這八年沒有任何檢討好吧既然沒有檢討那我們就面對未來好了我最近發現你變蠻多的\n就以前溫文儒雅,現在很凶悍喔。大家都在想說是不是政治上有新的考量。請問院長,新的總統上任之後你會不會續任行政院長?不會。不會。賴清德總統親自邀請你,會不會續任?不會。如果賴清德總統再問了不會,這是不會。跟蔡英文總統也不會嗎?不會。\n好,看來您的這個意志非常堅決。那麼現在就是看守階段對不對?是。但是看守還是要做事。要戰戰兢兢做到5月19日。戰戰兢兢。而且每一個事情該推動的就推動。何況民進黨繼續執政,所以賴總統跟\n好 非常好啊本期要跟你講的就是說看守內閣啊不應該是等待任期結束的空轉內閣看守內閣要回應人民的期待這就是我剛才講過啦但是我為什麼要跟你檢討\n因為人民不滿的政策,內閣有這個責任喊停還議啊。所以我剛剛問你哪些做得不夠好,是因為看守內閣有為有守的過程中,浮過利民的繼續做。但是政策有爭議的,民眾顯然不買單的,你要喊停還議。讓新政府的意志來做決定,延續性的重大建設當然不能浪費時間。院長你在選舉前就是行政院長,根據責任政治的原則。\n我告訴跟院長分享本席心目中看守內閣其實有一個蠻不錯的例子跟你分享2016年的張善政內閣其實當初得到了不分朝野的正面評價\n面對國民黨當初的敗選張善政前院長在看守內閣的任內他充分尊重了地方的意見他支持林佑昌前市長核准基隆軍港部分移交基隆市政府他支持林佳龍前市長因應台中市的升格核准了台中市府公務人員的名額他支持賴清德前市長\n讓臺南會展中心的建設預算順利通過。儘管這些縣市當初都是綠營執政但福國利民的事情張善政前院長他沒有浪費時間他也沒有大小眼張善政市長面對不得選民的支持的政策他擔起責任及時喊停桃園的鐵路高架化跟地下化之爭其實\n談了非常多但人民在2014年跟2016年的兩場選舉用選票否定了國民黨提出的高價化方案。張善政前院長他就擔起了相關的責任在他的任內喊停了高價化的行政程序讓當初執政的鄭文燦前市長有那個空間可以去提出地下化的版本。\n張前院長的施政留下不分朝野的好評也為當初敗選的國民黨稍微贏回了一些尊嚴這個證明了即便是看守內閣的看守期間我們也依然期待內閣有為有守院長我說有為有守是有些事要做有些事要停才叫有為有守我現在給院長幾個建議看看我們院長面對最新的民意是不是一樣能夠有為有守院長看到這個投影片你知道我常常搭集結來立法院開會嗎\n我不曉得我常常搭這都是我上班途中留下的剪影這幾天的照片給你做一下參考尖峰期間本來是桃園桃園跟台北的通行組的權益是非常重要的機場捷運的列車還有國道客運常常是班班滿大排長龍的一個情況之下\n﹗機場捷運線不只服務機場的觀光客,也要服務平常北桃之間的通勤客。現在的狀況是桃園捷運公司在張三正市長的領導下已經連續增班了七八次,但是如果要再增班讓桃園機場\n的捷運的這個服務量能可以追上臺北捷運好好的服務通勤大眾的時候我們必須有徵購列車的需求這一部分的經費本席希望得到中央的大力支持請問一下院長或者是部長的想法請回答\n我請部長回答。現在基檢一天大概10萬以上,尤其TPAS上路以後。臺灣市政府也提出徵購車廂的計畫。但是現在有一個題目就是說資產轉移,前任市長已經談好大概10億的轉移。\n所以我們是在內部台灣希望轉移後我們來支持直達車的車廂我想這部分大概已經在去年12月12號行政院做這樣的結論那這個部分會再跟台灣市政府再做一些溝通目前就是支持直達車的部分會支持\n這台車的部分佔全部當初提出的車廂採購需求的多少?總數是八十幾億,這台車應該是有五十億吧?我在猜。我們當然站在地方的角度啦,站在桃園市發展的角度。這一條其實憑良心講也不是只有服務桃園的旅客。我每天從A8搭到A1,其實新北的旅客他也是被服務到的,台北市的旅客他也是被服務到的,更不用講全台灣要去機場。\n各位說明,現在就是用他的財政,他現在三級就是84%\n指責貨車購車費用的84%,普通車他自己處理,因為普通車是他當時的地方的接應,大概初步,但是我們是希望那個資產移轉在我們行政委討論是趕快來處理,因為這個不處理變成營運或是活動都地方政府在辦,資產還掛在中央。\n所以基本上至少會有自駕車的50多億的補助就對了?我們現在初步是這樣的一個方案但是這個跟台灣市政府還在討論。還在討論。大概具體的時間表交通部裡面心裡有一個規劃嗎?現在我們已經發案給台灣市政府但是他現在針對尤其那個資產轉移這部分還沒有\n委員 最重要的是資產轉移這件事情提醒桃園市政府趕快來做,然後要購車再提出計畫,這樣子就是循序漸進。\n中央地方好好合作啦我完全同意好謝謝第二個是這個本期運氣還算不錯啦我住的地方離機場捷運算近但選區內很多市民朋友南崁的也好大竹的也好大塊溪的也好鄉親非常需要穩定的國道客運來進行通勤近年國道客運的狀況非常不OK遇到疫情然後再來是通膨成本大增苦不堪言以至於各個客運業者要退場撂挑子不幹今天早上南崁的5203A就出事啦\n因為前一個業者退場啦接續的業者落高啊結果今天通勤客全員馬上受到損害啊這件事情談個案在這裡談個案太小了我們要談通案嘛怎麼徹底的改善國道客運的品質讓業者的營運困境司機缺員的困境有一個系統性的解決方案我想這個院長跟部長責務龐大也不用浪費時間有沒有具體的時間表要怎麼改善國道客運的營運狀況請回答\n各位報告就是說目前第一個是司機不足的部分我們現在每位司機大概花15萬在幫地方訓練現在大概已經到2000位了逐步比如說桃園、桃園科研部也在那個\n第二個現在那個他的這個整個成本提升最近他們送了一個這個條件新的版本進來對不對我想這部分我們會來支持本期要求重塑啦這應該是贅述審核嘛因為現在退場的狀況很嚴重意思是說讓他有充分的這個收入來營運來營運殺頭生意有人做賠錢生意沒人做嘛對不對這部分現在就是公路局然後交通部會來做審查\n他現在初審已經審過,他們應該在幾個禮拜內會送到交通部來,那我們會透過委員會來審查。\n通過委員會來審查。好不好,這部分也希望部長多永領心把它變成施政的第一優先順位啦。第一怕是1200是好政策,它是造福的通勤組。但你不要有好政策,就實際上配套跟不上,我覺得這就為德不足了好不好。所以不管是季節的列車增班,還有國道客運的營運困境的改善,我認為都是交通部第一要務要處理的事。地方政委要跟我們合作。\n再來是大的建設院長\n這龜山的中線捷運我幫他請起命這個規劃的比誰都早但核定的時間真的一直被超車桃園綠線規劃的晚核定的早台中藍線也超車甚至連綠線的延伸線都搶先核定那我龜山鄉親情何以堪這本席還是議員的時候我們要感謝一下副院長我們在最後一次的施政總詢詢的時候要求政前市長表態\n很快\n這個就是 這個批了沒 這個公文對 很快就會有好消息很快 有沒有一個具體的時間嘛 鄉親很期待嘛 我講這個福國利民的延續性的建設不久 不久就會有好消息不久就會有好消息 你這不能再透露一點嗎 不可以為什麼不可以 建設的好消息 這都確定的是啊該宣布 就你剛才講的嘛 該宣布就宣布你現在又要我提前講 所以你自己前後矛盾啊 院長\n這可是因為,來來來,你看一下這張圖表,可行性研究,輕軌改,中間環評通過,交通部審核通過,國發會審核通過,這叫程序完備\n所以你如果批了就可以宣布?還沒有批就是沒有程序完備對不對?還在審查就是沒有程序完備對不對?現在在講這個我就跟你講你說什麼時候核定我說時間快了嘛\n我這樣換一個角度問好了,院長,會不會核定?我們退一點,會不會核定?應不應該核定?在這個都已經前面專業的幕僚單位都處理完的情況下,會不會核定?當然核定,就是要經過各式各樣的審查的資料都完全的時候才能核定啊。但是我是跟你講說快了,我現在已經跟你講快了啊。雖然這個我們剛剛有吵架,但沒關係,只要大的建設能落地,我都敢騙你啦,好不好?\n好,最後兩分鐘了好不好,我也要請教幾個爭議的議題,我們剛剛講看守內閣有為有守,剛剛這些扶國立民的政策叫有為啊,那有些爭議的題目啊,那叫有守啊,因為時間不多了啦,我們也就別吵了,我簡單講一下就好。比如說這段時間大家在討論的印度勞工來台,人心惶惶,它也許只是一個MOU啊,但是這個政策的溝通落地啊,\n本席認為這個應該是交給新政府來處理嘛因為這剛好在看守期間的事情那也許新政府會有新政府的想法也許值得院長深入的考慮因為民進黨連續執政所以新舊政府之間有很好的溝通而且印度移工的這件事情我們也一再跟總統副總統有在討論所以不需要像你講的你講的張善政的事情是因為\n沒有連續執政嘛,所以才需要這樣做,我們現在,現在我開始跟你講,印度移工就是要做。最後一分鐘啦,我把他講完啦。復路團客的經歷也是一樣,政府當然有決策的理由,你有你的模式我尊重,但這個政策的時間點啦,我要講的是時間點啦,你是預判賴清德政府會跟大陸烽火連天,所以壞帳先扛嗎?還是你要先言後寬,讓賴清德釋放善意?面價調漲也是如此嘛。\n這個知識體大嚴重影響民生啊很有可能會導致下一次的通告膨脹看守期間你要幫賴清德當壞人嗎本期先提這幾個案例啊我只是嚴肅提醒啊我嚴肅提醒嚴肅提醒這些議題啊值得在國會有深入的討論而決策應該要尊重新政府的意志而不是看守內閣趁亂過關我希望院長聽得進勸不要一意孤行\n但你如果非得要一意孤行,那我們只好國會見真章了好不好,謝謝啦。我想喔,這個還有16分鐘,16秒。實際上在這一個過去的這一段時間,總統、副總統跟行政院長都有很好的討論,再加上民進黨要繼續執政,所以這一些的政策實際上就有通盤的討論。所以你根本不只有擔心,講白了就是這樣嘛,謝謝啦。謝謝年委員雪婷的質詢,也謝謝陳院長的備詢。\n接下來我們請登記第22號王委員定語質詢。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.726 --> 00:27.089\n行政院長有請,謝謝。請陳院長背刑。好,謝謝院長的祝賀。那本席就有話直說了。請問院長你覺得為什麼我會當選?我覺得當選的話當然是有選民的支持。那為什麼我可以得到選民的支持?\n\n00:27.728 --> 00:50.848\n那一定是你比你的對手更強嗎?謝謝院長我放一段影片給你看一下這個是我跟選民的約定也是我在選舉當初能夠很快的打開知名度非常重要的一支影片我放給您看您做一下參考這跟我們今天的總諮詢的題目叫看守內閣的總檢討高度相關那我們就請看影片囉\n\n00:53.039 --> 01:06.470\n這7年他們過得很好但你過得好嗎?這幾年來你辛苦念書卻看到他們拿著假學歷在高位上思維素餐你每天收到詐騙簡訊他們卻開著詐騙集團的車用詐騙集團捐的法\n\n01:11.474 --> 01:39.493\n連找份工作都要擔心會不會被凌虐、被性侵、被強災器官永遠回不了家而這些人卻只要10萬元就能交保回家你買不到的雞蛋他們只需要花1000元開個公司過一手就賺好幾千萬你買不到的快餐他們可以讓小吃店轉型轉手就拿16億的標案連你開燈吹冷氣他們都能找出方法讓自己有得賺\n\n01:41.247 --> 02:05.789\n這7年你的薪水有增加嗎?你有感受到公平正義嗎?他們把8800億的負債留給你的孩子,把高昂的電費留給你的孩子,把充滿詐騙、低薪、貪腐、不公的台灣留給你的孩子,甚至讓你根本不敢生孩子。這7年他們過得很好,但你真的過得好嗎?\n\n02:07.065 --> 02:12.377\n你想要就這樣算了嗎?請您和我一起為了下一代找回公平正義。\n\n02:17.196 --> 02:38.659\n跟院長報告在過去一年的選舉中我們辦了超過一百多場的街頭演講會這支影片每一場演講會我們都放搭配我們常常在演講中常講掛在嘴邊的一句話叫做黃青國氣發大財深斗小民苦哈哈搭配這支影片我們在選舉的過程中講出了平民百姓的苦和怒\n\n02:39.724 --> 03:05.027\n物價飛漲房價飛漲我們覺得不公平各種國家對爭議連連我們覺得不公平詐騙橫行打擊不利我們覺得不公平論文造假硬拗我們覺得不公平院長可以等一下再回答但是我要跟院長講我剛剛問說為什麼我會當選我告訴你我的答案如果我們在選舉過程中作為民意代表沒有辦法反映社會基層真實的心聲\n\n03:05.968 --> 03:28.162\n我這個年輕人何德何能可以當選呢?也請院長理解當選之後我們如果沒有把這樣子的心聲帶進國會那是有負選民的托付我現在要開始請問院長民進黨雖然在這一次的選舉延續了中央的執政權力但在國會的席次大幅的衰退失去了完全執政的優勢請問院長這算勝選還是敗選?有勝有輸有勝有負那你覺得總體來說是勝選還是敗選?\n\n03:36.101 --> 03:39.743\n你覺得你不應該為這樣選舉的結果負起一定的責任?我想每一個人在競選沒有辦法這個全勝的時候都應該要檢討。\n\n03:53.137 --> 03:54.917\n我想這是我跟天主的事你沒有辦法過問不能過問是吧\n\n04:21.738 --> 04:37.068\n好這個本席願意尊重但是我願意正面解讀剛剛院長講說面對這一場選舉可能要檢討的事情我個人是非常希望對我尊重院長這是您的信仰的問題但我們都非常非常的希望在這個檢討的過程中您已經不再是單純的一個人\n\n04:40.991 --> 05:04.266\n在這個議場來檢討國家的政務是對的你不要來檢討個人跟信仰的問題沒錯本期當然不會在這裡跟你講個人的問題就要談國家大政嘛如果我們的院長願意在國家大政上面也把他納入深自檢討我認為這對國家來講是一件好的事情2016年您當初聲望崇隆是中研院的院士您是執政團隊那個時候的副總統\n\n05:06.647 --> 05:19.498\n2020年蔡英文總統競選連任的時候遇到了政治風暴,您選擇成全禮讓,等於為黨解圍有功。到了蔡政府任期的最後,您接手行政院院長,能在這個當下為蔡政府的八年受惠。\n\n05:27.785 --> 05:54.231\n在這個當下你可以為蔡英文政府的8年收尾算是很難得的機緣但同樣這8年的政府領導相關的責任您當然也有一份請教院長為什麼民進黨會席次衰退您剛剛有講有勝有敗一定有些地方需要檢討請問這段時間的施政有哪一些不得民心的地方有沒有任何具體的檢討方案我給您3分鐘的時間好好論述但希望您可以提出具體的案例院長請發言太好了首先來開始3分鐘\n\n05:56.111 --> 06:19.168\n實際上蔡總統上任以來我們都可以看得到中華民國臺灣在世界上確實是響亮亮的受到國際的重視。那我們就從2016年開始馬總統不敢做的年金改革我們已經完成了。馬總統的任期內沒有辦法做的國家人權委員會我們也已經成立了。\n\n06:19.568 --> 06:34.649\n然後在經濟發展上特別是在COVID-19的這一段期間全世界都認同臺灣的COVID-19的防疫是全世界的典範所以總統也被十幾個雜誌作為雜誌的封面更重要的在COVID-19的這一段期間\n\n06:35.029 --> 06:35.369\n美國經濟研究所\n\n06:58.379 --> 07:20.368\n二年的時候高達將近五千億因此我們有足夠的經費來推動所有的改善那台灣我們也可以看得到在這一段期間我們所有的建設增加我們不再缺電我們不再缺水更重要的我們民眾有很大的信心那當然我們自己講是沒有用啦更重要的我們在看國際的評比在國際的評比上\n\n07:22.609 --> 07:51.270\n瑞士洛桑管理學院的國際競爭力的評比臺灣在所有的國家當中是排名在第4名而且更重要的你可以看得到在2000萬人口以上的國家連續排名第一名有4年之多這是臺灣人的光榮臺灣人的驕傲所以在這一段期間的執政確確實實使臺灣在國際上看得見而且更重要的如果在外交上我們可以看得到我們跟美國、歐盟\n\n07:51.790 --> 08:12.938\n跟加拿大跟日本都有很好很好。沒有沒有我時間還沒有到你給我三分鐘。如果你要打動我也可以啦。你要打動我嗎?所以在這一段期間我們看得到這樣。更重要的你可以看得到臺灣在轉型正義在人權保障上是受到世界上的重視。我們\n\n08:13.638 --> 08:27.636\n有通過了這個分音平權而且更重要的我們在人權保障上已經被認為是亞洲自由民主人權人道救援的燈塔我們可以把我們自由民主的資助讓整個東亞地區來學習\n\n08:30.680 --> 08:48.577\n所以我們的民主是亞洲第一名我們的自由經濟是全世界的第四名亞洲的第一名我們的青年的這個印象是從馬總統那個時候落後於28名以後一直到現在都在增加所以不管在政治經濟文化\n\n08:49.518 --> 09:18.399\n關真等等都有很大的進步。那你剛才講的那一些數據可能是以偏概全。謝謝你。時間到。謝謝院長還願意尊重。不過院長我覺得你剛剛這三分鐘的講話基本上完全叫答非所問。我剛剛問你的題目是為什麼民進黨是有何不得民心的地方以至於你到最後國會選舉的席次大幅衰退。你有沒有相關的檢討方案。你花了三分鐘的時間大幅的論述我們的成績有多麼的好評比有多麼的高\n\n09:19.020 --> 09:20.032\n院長這不叫檢討\n\n09:22.201 --> 09:49.442\n這個場合不是你的施政報告也不是你大內宣的舞台我願意給你時間是因為我希望我也相信院長是一個願意反省檢討用嚴格的標準要求自己的行政團隊的人但是你把剛剛的三分鐘的時間對不起請你不要打斷我你把那三分鐘的時間拿來講自己有多好多好我實在很懷疑你心裡到底有沒有檢討兩個字我可以回答嗎不行你的時間已經過了我舉一個例子給你聽既然要談檢討我們就檢討比如說前一段時間我就講桃園的例子\n\n09:50.639 --> 10:12.284\n政府我認為有若干可疑之處當初台積電當初說要來龍潭設廠行政院當時在沒有完成任何龍科三期可行性評估的前提之下更不用說沒有完善的徵收計畫的前提之下內閣就急功近利越組帶跑搶先宣布一個廠要不要來這邊設廠是企業的事不是政府的事以至於人民焦慮抗爭頻傳\n\n10:14.224 --> 10:41.569\n最後讓台積電被迫宣布設廠計畫暫緩政府卻選擇在選舉期間大肆抹黑桃園市政府趕走台積電。這樣子的說法無助於解決問題反而加深中央跟地方的矛盾這就是錯上加錯。事實證明天下雜誌也說這個龍潭台積電破局的案子該檢討的是政治人物的急躁表態與粗糙的政策產製流程\n\n10:44.210 --> 11:08.555\n這個讓園區的擴建計畫一波三折這是天下雜誌的報告我原句轉述我告訴院長事實證明桃園鄉親的眼睛是雪亮的我們都期待農科擴大可以順利的進行我們都希望台積電可以順利的來桃園但是人民不會買單政府空泛的大內宣因為人民期待的是務實可行的政策而不是空頭支票更不是政治詐騙\n\n11:09.435 --> 11:36.378\n本席要求政府未來在開發產專園區導引產業發展的同時應該要務實的解決用地、能源、財務的問題要低調的規劃要確認所有的程序完備之後你再來宣布好消息這樣才是做產業的後盾這樣才是成就護國神山的正確方式院長我剛講這個案例我舉個例子給你聽\n\n11:36.758 --> 11:40.901\n我可以回答嗎?你剛剛講的我不同意而且地方政府沒有盡到自己的責任未來我們桃園還有大矽谷的計畫我現在問你一個問題\n\n11:54.893 --> 11:55.053\n我想﹖\n\n12:11.680 --> 12:31.549\n桃園市政府都贊成嗎?當然嘛,我當時也沒有反對農科三期的誇大計畫。當時農科也是大家都贊成,可是這件事情當國科會在準備這個用地的時候,當廠商在努力的時候,地方政府有沒有幫忙來做協調呢?所以你剛才講的根本是不符合事實嘛。\n\n12:31.869 --> 12:35.032\n所以我會覺得以偏蓋前啦沒有錯各個縣市在爭取科學園區的時候就只有桃園市沒有成功阿\n\n12:48.627 --> 13:12.658\n院長深呼吸。大家都說你是大人哥,不要戰狼上身變成大狼哥啦。聖騎士就聖騎士,不要變聖戰士啦。冷靜,局長。院長,冷靜。冷靜,我一問你一答嘛,好不好。質詢,我們回到這樣子。但是我跟院長要有時間嗎?我跟院長說,我會給你時間。你這樣子就沒有讓我發的時間。我會給你時間,院長,你要先聽我說明嘛。\n\n13:13.399 --> 13:19.278\n當初行政院在宣布台積電要來桃園的時候連可行性評估都還沒有做請問這樣宣布是合理的嗎?請院長回答\n\n13:21.158 --> 13:39.392\n這個在宣布說哪一個地方要開科學園區,你現在請問雲林縣政府有沒有說他想爭取科學園區?當然有,嘉義也有,大家都在爭取,所以地方政府要努力來配合嘛。請問院長,在所有程序都不完備的情況下,在所有的行政程序都不完備的情況下,貿然宣布的時候會發生什麼事?院長你有觀察嗎?發生了什麼事?\n\n13:51.114 --> 14:06.148\n現在台積電確定了沒?還沒對不對可是我告訴你院長這是我們來自基層的觀察宣布來榮科榮壇土地大廠宣布去嘉義嘉義土地大廠宣布去高雄高雄土地大廠通通炒地皮但最後台積電請問去了哪裡?請問去了哪裡?我告訴院長\n\n14:14.076 --> 14:31.587\n大家都希望爭取,我也希望政府盡量來促成,但是手段程序要完備,做法要務實,完備之後你再來宣布好消息,是不是比較正確?我們當然是完備才來宣布啊,當然,但是立法政府可以宣布他的努力方向。\n\n14:32.739 --> 14:33.479\n現在各縣市政府\n\n15:02.939 --> 15:20.533\n各縣市政府要爭取,規要爭取,但是由中央來宣布,你宣布了嗎?要去雲林了嗎?你要不要現在宣布?還是現在宣布去嘉義?是不是由中央來宣布?是不是?應不應該?我想,就我剛才講的嘛,地方政府要來宣布,都是一樣的,這樣的方式啦。\n\n15:21.813 --> 15:44.678\n我跟你講你現在不要找一個特別的例子來講科學園區的發展國科會有自己主導的權利但是地方政府我們也尊重地方政府的爭取我在當國科會主委的時候嘉義縣政府就已經來爭取他也對外宣布那我們很尊重可是我們會告訴他要可行性評估什麼叫做西部規劃什麼叫做環評\n\n15:47.259 --> 15:56.432\n這才是正確的流程,但問題是,論壇科學人員是誰宣布的?是內閣行政院親自會刊親自宣布的?這就是問題嘛!我現在講就是不對的嘛!\n\n15:57.672 --> 16:24.477\n見識政府可以爭取你可以全力協助真的有成績一起宣布拍拍手可是論壇的問題是還沒有程序的時候行政院就宣布這就不對了所以我拿這個例子告訴院長政府的施政哪怕你剛剛花了三分鐘時間講有多好都還是有很多地方是值得改進的是值得商榷的我希望在這場諮詢我們去談總檢討的時候是可以聽到這樣的事情的嘛對不對好啦院長顯然看起來齁這個總諮詢到這個時候\n\n16:28.653 --> 16:43.908\n總檢討大概也講不出什麼東西啦因為剛剛給你三分鐘給你宣布給你去講你也講不出個東西來我拿一個案例給你聽你還非常強硬說你都是對的所以顯然這八年沒有任何檢討好吧既然沒有檢討那我們就面對未來好了我最近發現你變蠻多的\n\n16:45.325 --> 17:04.047\n就以前溫文儒雅,現在很凶悍喔。大家都在想說是不是政治上有新的考量。請問院長,新的總統上任之後你會不會續任行政院長?不會。不會。賴清德總統親自邀請你,會不會續任?不會。如果賴清德總統再問了不會,這是不會。跟蔡英文總統也不會嗎?不會。\n\n17:05.709 --> 17:15.657\n好,看來您的這個意志非常堅決。那麼現在就是看守階段對不對?是。但是看守還是要做事。要戰戰兢兢做到5月19日。戰戰兢兢。而且每一個事情該推動的就推動。何況民進黨繼續執政,所以賴總統跟\n\n17:24.804 --> 17:31.130\n好非常好啊本期要跟你講的就是說看守內閣啊不應該是等待任期結束的空轉內閣看守內閣要回應人民的期待這就是我剛才講過啦但是我為什麼要跟你檢討\n\n17:45.242 --> 18:10.548\n因為人民不滿的政策,內閣有這個責任喊停還議啊。所以我剛剛問你哪些做得不夠好,是因為看守內閣有為有守的過程中,浮過利民的繼續做。但是政策有爭議的,民眾顯然不買單的,你要喊停還議。讓新政府的意志來做決定,延續性的重大建設當然不能浪費時間。院長你在選舉前就是行政院長,根據責任政治的原則。\n\n18:11.408 --> 18:14.188\n我告訴跟院長分享本席心目中看守內閣其實有一個蠻不錯的例子跟你分享2016年的張善政內閣其實當初得到了不分朝野的正面評價\n\n18:41.053 --> 19:01.528\n面對國民黨當初的敗選張善政前院長在看守內閣的任內他充分尊重了地方的意見他支持林佑昌前市長核准基隆軍港部分移交基隆市政府他支持林佳龍前市長因應台中市的升格核准了台中市府公務人員的名額他支持賴清德前市長\n\n19:02.488 --> 19:22.466\n讓臺南會展中心的建設預算順利通過。儘管這些縣市當初都是綠營執政但福國利民的事情張善政前院長他沒有浪費時間他也沒有大小眼張善政市長面對不得選民的支持的政策他擔起責任及時喊停桃園的鐵路高架化跟地下化之爭其實\n\n19:23.607 --> 19:45.361\n談了非常多但人民在2014年跟2016年的兩場選舉用選票否定了國民黨提出的高價化方案。張善政前院長他就擔起了相關的責任在他的任內喊停了高價化的行政程序讓當初執政的鄭文燦前市長有那個空間可以去提出地下化的版本。\n\n19:46.301 --> 20:14.632\n張前院長的施政留下不分朝野的好評也為當初敗選的國民黨稍微贏回了一些尊嚴這個證明了即便是看守內閣的看守期間我們也依然期待內閣有為有守院長我說有為有守是有些事要做有些事要停才叫有為有守我現在給院長幾個建議看看我們院長面對最新的民意是不是一樣能夠有為有守院長看到這個投影片你知道我常常搭集結來立法院開會嗎\n\n20:16.383 --> 20:35.634\n我不曉得我常常搭這都是我上班途中留下的剪影這幾天的照片給你做一下參考尖峰期間本來是桃園桃園跟台北的通行組的權益是非常重要的機場捷運的列車還有國道客運常常是班班滿大排長龍的一個情況之下\n\n20:36.774 --> 20:51.923\n﹗機場捷運線不只服務機場的觀光客,也要服務平常北桃之間的通勤客。現在的狀況是桃園捷運公司在張三正市長的領導下已經連續增班了七八次,但是如果要再增班讓桃園機場\n\n20:52.904 --> 21:08.055\n的捷運的這個服務量能可以追上臺北捷運好好的服務通勤大眾的時候我們必須有徵購列車的需求這一部分的經費本席希望得到中央的大力支持請問一下院長或者是部長的想法請回答\n\n21:08.675 --> 21:25.125\n我請部長回答。現在基檢一天大概10萬以上,尤其TPAS上路以後。臺灣市政府也提出徵購車廂的計畫。但是現在有一個題目就是說資產轉移,前任市長已經談好大概10億的轉移。\n\n21:26.326 --> 21:44.680\n所以我們是在內部台灣希望轉移後我們來支持直達車的車廂我想這部分大概已經在去年12月12號行政院做這樣的結論那這個部分會再跟台灣市政府再做一些溝通目前就是支持直達車的部分會支持\n\n21:45.180 --> 22:11.069\n這台車的部分佔全部當初提出的車廂採購需求的多少?總數是八十幾億,這台車應該是有五十億吧?我在猜。我們當然站在地方的角度啦,站在桃園市發展的角度。這一條其實憑良心講也不是只有服務桃園的旅客。我每天從A8搭到A1,其實新北的旅客他也是被服務到的,台北市的旅客他也是被服務到的,更不用講全台灣要去機場。\n\n22:11.869 --> 22:14.130\n各位說明,現在就是用他的財政,他現在三級就是84%\n\n22:36.040 --> 22:53.170\n指責貨車購車費用的84%,普通車他自己處理,因為普通車是他當時的地方的接應,大概初步,但是我們是希望那個資產移轉在我們行政委討論是趕快來處理,因為這個不處理變成營運或是活動都地方政府在辦,資產還掛在中央。\n\n22:55.191 --> 23:13.356\n所以基本上至少會有自駕車的50多億的補助就對了?我們現在初步是這樣的一個方案但是這個跟台灣市政府還在討論。還在討論。大概具體的時間表交通部裡面心裡有一個規劃嗎?現在我們已經發案給台灣市政府但是他現在針對尤其那個資產轉移這部分還沒有\n\n23:14.036 --> 23:19.119\n委員最重要的是資產轉移這件事情提醒桃園市政府趕快來做,然後要購車再提出計畫,這樣子就是循序漸進。\n\n23:32.648 --> 24:01.677\n中央地方好好合作啦我完全同意好謝謝第二個是這個本期運氣還算不錯啦我住的地方離機場捷運算近但選區內很多市民朋友南崁的也好大竹的也好大塊溪的也好鄉親非常需要穩定的國道客運來進行通勤近年國道客運的狀況非常不OK遇到疫情然後再來是通膨成本大增苦不堪言以至於各個客運業者要退場撂挑子不幹今天早上南崁的5203A就出事啦\n\n24:02.037 --> 24:26.360\n因為前一個業者退場啦接續的業者落高啊結果今天通勤客全員馬上受到損害啊這件事情談個案在這裡談個案太小了我們要談通案嘛怎麼徹底的改善國道客運的品質讓業者的營運困境司機缺員的困境有一個系統性的解決方案我想這個院長跟部長責務龐大也不用浪費時間有沒有具體的時間表要怎麼改善國道客運的營運狀況請回答\n\n24:29.351 --> 24:42.228\n各位報告就是說目前第一個是司機不足的部分我們現在每位司機大概花15萬在幫地方訓練現在大概已經到2000位了逐步比如說桃園、桃園科研部也在那個\n\n24:43.430 --> 25:08.980\n第二個現在那個他的這個整個成本提升最近他們送了一個這個條件新的版本進來對不對我想這部分我們會來支持本期要求重塑啦這應該是贅述審核嘛因為現在退場的狀況很嚴重意思是說讓他有充分的這個收入來營運來營運殺頭生意有人做賠錢生意沒人做嘛對不對這部分現在就是公路局然後交通部會來做審查\n\n25:09.960 --> 25:11.862\n他現在初審已經審過,他們應該在幾個禮拜內會送到交通部來,那我們會透過委員會來審查。\n\n25:20.063 --> 25:41.155\n通過委員會來審查。好不好,這部分也希望部長多永領心把它變成施政的第一優先順位啦。第一怕是1200是好政策,它是造福的通勤組。但你不要有好政策,就實際上配套跟不上,我覺得這就為德不足了好不好。所以不管是季節的列車增班,還有國道客運的營運困境的改善,我認為都是交通部第一要務要處理的事。地方政委要跟我們合作。\n\n25:41.775 --> 25:42.436\n再來是大的建設院長\n\n25:53.756 --> 26:14.262\n這龜山的中線捷運我幫他請起命這個規劃的比誰都早但核定的時間真的一直被超車桃園綠線規劃的晚核定的早台中藍線也超車甚至連綠線的延伸線都搶先核定那我龜山鄉親情何以堪這本席還是議員的時候我們要感謝一下副院長我們在最後一次的施政總詢詢的時候要求政前市長表態\n\n26:14.762 --> 26:14.882\n很快\n\n26:39.205 --> 27:04.208\n這個就是這個批了沒這個公文對很快就會有好消息很快有沒有一個具體的時間嘛鄉親很期待嘛我講這個福國利民的延續性的建設不久不久就會有好消息不久就會有好消息你這不能再透露一點嗎不可以為什麼不可以建設的好消息這都確定的是啊該宣布就你剛才講的嘛該宣布就宣布你現在又要我提前講所以你自己前後矛盾啊院長\n\n27:05.389 --> 27:10.111\n這可是因為,來來來,你看一下這張圖表,可行性研究,輕軌改,中間環評通過,交通部審核通過,國發會審核通過,這叫程序完備\n\n27:21.394 --> 27:29.878\n所以你如果批了就可以宣布?還沒有批就是沒有程序完備對不對?還在審查就是沒有程序完備對不對?現在在講這個我就跟你講你說什麼時候核定我說時間快了嘛\n\n27:40.743 --> 28:07.004\n我這樣換一個角度問好了,院長,會不會核定?我們退一點,會不會核定?應不應該核定?在這個都已經前面專業的幕僚單位都處理完的情況下,會不會核定?當然核定,就是要經過各式各樣的審查的資料都完全的時候才能核定啊。但是我是跟你講說快了,我現在已經跟你講快了啊。雖然這個我們剛剛有吵架,但沒關係,只要大的建設能落地,我都敢騙你啦,好不好?\n\n28:07.865 --> 28:29.458\n好,最後兩分鐘了好不好,我也要請教幾個爭議的議題,我們剛剛講看守內閣有為有守,剛剛這些扶國立民的政策叫有為啊,那有些爭議的題目啊,那叫有守啊,因為時間不多了啦,我們也就別吵了,我簡單講一下就好。比如說這段時間大家在討論的印度勞工來台,人心惶惶,它也許只是一個MOU啊,但是這個政策的溝通落地啊,\n\n28:29.818 --> 28:55.750\n本席認為這個應該是交給新政府來處理嘛因為這剛好在看守期間的事情那也許新政府會有新政府的想法也許值得院長深入的考慮因為民進黨連續執政所以新舊政府之間有很好的溝通而且印度移工的這件事情我們也一再跟總統副總統有在討論所以不需要像你講的你講的張善政的事情是因為\n\n28:57.191 --> 29:19.322\n沒有連續執政嘛,所以才需要這樣做,我們現在,現在我開始跟你講,印度移工就是要做。最後一分鐘啦,我把他講完啦。復路團客的經歷也是一樣,政府當然有決策的理由,你有你的模式我尊重,但這個政策的時間點啦,我要講的是時間點啦,你是預判賴清德政府會跟大陸烽火連天,所以壞帳先扛嗎?還是你要先言後寬,讓賴清德釋放善意?面價調漲也是如此嘛。\n\n29:22.463 --> 29:49.694\n這個知識體大嚴重影響民生啊很有可能會導致下一次的通告膨脹看守期間你要幫賴清德當壞人嗎本期先提這幾個案例啊我只是嚴肅提醒啊我嚴肅提醒嚴肅提醒這些議題啊值得在國會有深入的討論而決策應該要尊重新政府的意志而不是看守內閣趁亂過關我希望院長聽得進勸不要一意孤行\n\n29:50.074 --> 30:12.187\n但你如果非得要一意孤行,那我們只好國會見真章了好不好,謝謝啦。我想喔,這個還有16分鐘,16秒。實際上在這一個過去的這一段時間,總統、副總統跟行政院長都有很好的討論,再加上民進黨要繼續執政,所以這一些的政策實際上就有通盤的討論。所以你根本不只有擔心,講白了就是這樣嘛,謝謝啦。謝謝年委員雪婷的質詢,也謝謝陳院長的備詢。\n\n30:20.500 --> 30:24.195\n接下來我們請登記第22號王委員定語質詢。\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.726,"end":27.089,"text":"行政院長有請,謝謝。請陳院長背刑。好,謝謝院長的祝賀。那本席就有話直說了。請問院長你覺得為什麼我會當選?我覺得當選的話當然是有選民的支持。那為什麼我可以得到選民的支持?"},{"start":27.728,"end":50.848,"text":"那一定是你比你的對手更強嗎?謝謝院長我放一段影片給你看一下這個是我跟選民的約定也是我在選舉當初能夠很快的打開知名度非常重要的一支影片我放給您看您做一下參考這跟我們今天的總諮詢的題目叫看守內閣的總檢討高度相關那我們就請看影片囉"},{"start":53.039,"end":66.47,"text":"這7年他們過得很好但你過得好嗎?這幾年來你辛苦念書卻看到他們拿著假學歷在高位上思維素餐你每天收到詐騙簡訊他們卻開著詐騙集團的車用詐騙集團捐的法"},{"start":71.474,"end":99.493,"text":"連找份工作都要擔心會不會被凌虐、被性侵、被強災器官永遠回不了家而這些人卻只要10萬元就能交保回家你買不到的雞蛋他們只需要花1000元開個公司過一手就賺好幾千萬你買不到的快餐他們可以讓小吃店轉型轉手就拿16億的標案連你開燈吹冷氣他們都能找出方法讓自己有得賺"},{"start":101.247,"end":125.789,"text":"這7年你的薪水有增加嗎?你有感受到公平正義嗎?他們把8800億的負債留給你的孩子,把高昂的電費留給你的孩子,把充滿詐騙、低薪、貪腐、不公的台灣留給你的孩子,甚至讓你根本不敢生孩子。這7年他們過得很好,但你真的過得好嗎?"},{"start":127.065,"end":132.377,"text":"你想要就這樣算了嗎?請您和我一起為了下一代找回公平正義。"},{"start":137.196,"end":158.659,"text":"跟院長報告在過去一年的選舉中我們辦了超過一百多場的街頭演講會這支影片每一場演講會我們都放搭配我們常常在演講中常講掛在嘴邊的一句話叫做黃青國氣發大財深斗小民苦哈哈搭配這支影片我們在選舉的過程中講出了平民百姓的苦和怒"},{"start":159.724,"end":185.027,"text":"物價飛漲房價飛漲我們覺得不公平各種國家對爭議連連我們覺得不公平詐騙橫行打擊不利我們覺得不公平論文造假硬拗我們覺得不公平院長可以等一下再回答但是我要跟院長講我剛剛問說為什麼我會當選我告訴你我的答案如果我們在選舉過程中作為民意代表沒有辦法反映社會基層真實的心聲"},{"start":185.968,"end":208.162,"text":"我這個年輕人何德何能可以當選呢?也請院長理解當選之後我們如果沒有把這樣子的心聲帶進國會那是有負選民的托付我現在要開始請問院長民進黨雖然在這一次的選舉延續了中央的執政權力但在國會的席次大幅的衰退失去了完全執政的優勢請問院長這算勝選還是敗選?有勝有輸有勝有負那你覺得總體來說是勝選還是敗選?"},{"start":216.101,"end":219.743,"text":"你覺得你不應該為這樣選舉的結果負起一定的責任?我想每一個人在競選沒有辦法這個全勝的時候都應該要檢討。"},{"start":233.137,"end":234.917,"text":"我想這是我跟天主的事你沒有辦法過問不能過問是吧"},{"start":261.738,"end":277.068,"text":"好 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非常好啊本期要跟你講的就是說看守內閣啊不應該是等待任期結束的空轉內閣看守內閣要回應人民的期待這就是我剛才講過啦但是我為什麼要跟你檢討"},{"start":1065.242,"end":1090.548,"text":"因為人民不滿的政策,內閣有這個責任喊停還議啊。所以我剛剛問你哪些做得不夠好,是因為看守內閣有為有守的過程中,浮過利民的繼續做。但是政策有爭議的,民眾顯然不買單的,你要喊停還議。讓新政府的意志來做決定,延續性的重大建設當然不能浪費時間。院長你在選舉前就是行政院長,根據責任政治的原則。"},{"start":1091.408,"end":1094.188,"text":"我告訴跟院長分享本席心目中看守內閣其實有一個蠻不錯的例子跟你分享2016年的張善政內閣其實當初得到了不分朝野的正面評價"},{"start":1121.053,"end":1141.528,"text":"面對國民黨當初的敗選張善政前院長在看守內閣的任內他充分尊重了地方的意見他支持林佑昌前市長核准基隆軍港部分移交基隆市政府他支持林佳龍前市長因應台中市的升格核准了台中市府公務人員的名額他支持賴清德前市長"},{"start":1142.488,"end":1162.466,"text":"讓臺南會展中心的建設預算順利通過。儘管這些縣市當初都是綠營執政但福國利民的事情張善政前院長他沒有浪費時間他也沒有大小眼張善政市長面對不得選民的支持的政策他擔起責任及時喊停桃園的鐵路高架化跟地下化之爭其實"},{"start":1163.607,"end":1185.361,"text":"談了非常多但人民在2014年跟2016年的兩場選舉用選票否定了國民黨提出的高價化方案。張善政前院長他就擔起了相關的責任在他的任內喊停了高價化的行政程序讓當初執政的鄭文燦前市長有那個空間可以去提出地下化的版本。"},{"start":1186.301,"end":1214.632,"text":"張前院長的施政留下不分朝野的好評也為當初敗選的國民黨稍微贏回了一些尊嚴這個證明了即便是看守內閣的看守期間我們也依然期待內閣有為有守院長我說有為有守是有些事要做有些事要停才叫有為有守我現在給院長幾個建議看看我們院長面對最新的民意是不是一樣能夠有為有守院長看到這個投影片你知道我常常搭集結來立法院開會嗎"},{"start":1216.383,"end":1235.634,"text":"我不曉得我常常搭這都是我上班途中留下的剪影這幾天的照片給你做一下參考尖峰期間本來是桃園桃園跟台北的通行組的權益是非常重要的機場捷運的列車還有國道客運常常是班班滿大排長龍的一個情況之下"},{"start":1236.774,"end":1251.923,"text":"﹗機場捷運線不只服務機場的觀光客,也要服務平常北桃之間的通勤客。現在的狀況是桃園捷運公司在張三正市長的領導下已經連續增班了七八次,但是如果要再增班讓桃園機場"},{"start":1252.904,"end":1268.055,"text":"的捷運的這個服務量能可以追上臺北捷運好好的服務通勤大眾的時候我們必須有徵購列車的需求這一部分的經費本席希望得到中央的大力支持請問一下院長或者是部長的想法請回答"},{"start":1268.675,"end":1285.125,"text":"我請部長回答。現在基檢一天大概10萬以上,尤其TPAS上路以後。臺灣市政府也提出徵購車廂的計畫。但是現在有一個題目就是說資產轉移,前任市長已經談好大概10億的轉移。"},{"start":1286.326,"end":1304.68,"text":"所以我們是在內部台灣希望轉移後我們來支持直達車的車廂我想這部分大概已經在去年12月12號行政院做這樣的結論那這個部分會再跟台灣市政府再做一些溝通目前就是支持直達車的部分會支持"},{"start":1305.18,"end":1331.069,"text":"這台車的部分佔全部當初提出的車廂採購需求的多少?總數是八十幾億,這台車應該是有五十億吧?我在猜。我們當然站在地方的角度啦,站在桃園市發展的角度。這一條其實憑良心講也不是只有服務桃園的旅客。我每天從A8搭到A1,其實新北的旅客他也是被服務到的,台北市的旅客他也是被服務到的,更不用講全台灣要去機場。"},{"start":1331.869,"end":1334.13,"text":"各位說明,現在就是用他的財政,他現在三級就是84%"},{"start":1356.04,"end":1373.17,"text":"指責貨車購車費用的84%,普通車他自己處理,因為普通車是他當時的地方的接應,大概初步,但是我們是希望那個資產移轉在我們行政委討論是趕快來處理,因為這個不處理變成營運或是活動都地方政府在辦,資產還掛在中央。"},{"start":1375.191,"end":1393.356,"text":"所以基本上至少會有自駕車的50多億的補助就對了?我們現在初步是這樣的一個方案但是這個跟台灣市政府還在討論。還在討論。大概具體的時間表交通部裡面心裡有一個規劃嗎?現在我們已經發案給台灣市政府但是他現在針對尤其那個資產轉移這部分還沒有"},{"start":1394.036,"end":1399.119,"text":"委員 最重要的是資產轉移這件事情提醒桃園市政府趕快來做,然後要購車再提出計畫,這樣子就是循序漸進。"},{"start":1412.648,"end":1441.677,"text":"中央地方好好合作啦我完全同意好謝謝第二個是這個本期運氣還算不錯啦我住的地方離機場捷運算近但選區內很多市民朋友南崁的也好大竹的也好大塊溪的也好鄉親非常需要穩定的國道客運來進行通勤近年國道客運的狀況非常不OK遇到疫情然後再來是通膨成本大增苦不堪言以至於各個客運業者要退場撂挑子不幹今天早上南崁的5203A就出事啦"},{"start":1442.037,"end":1466.36,"text":"因為前一個業者退場啦接續的業者落高啊結果今天通勤客全員馬上受到損害啊這件事情談個案在這裡談個案太小了我們要談通案嘛怎麼徹底的改善國道客運的品質讓業者的營運困境司機缺員的困境有一個系統性的解決方案我想這個院長跟部長責務龐大也不用浪費時間有沒有具體的時間表要怎麼改善國道客運的營運狀況請回答"},{"start":1469.351,"end":1482.228,"text":"各位報告就是說目前第一個是司機不足的部分我們現在每位司機大概花15萬在幫地方訓練現在大概已經到2000位了逐步比如說桃園、桃園科研部也在那個"},{"start":1483.43,"end":1508.98,"text":"第二個現在那個他的這個整個成本提升最近他們送了一個這個條件新的版本進來對不對我想這部分我們會來支持本期要求重塑啦這應該是贅述審核嘛因為現在退場的狀況很嚴重意思是說讓他有充分的這個收入來營運來營運殺頭生意有人做賠錢生意沒人做嘛對不對這部分現在就是公路局然後交通部會來做審查"},{"start":1509.96,"end":1511.862,"text":"他現在初審已經審過,他們應該在幾個禮拜內會送到交通部來,那我們會透過委員會來審查。"},{"start":1520.063,"end":1541.155,"text":"通過委員會來審查。好不好,這部分也希望部長多永領心把它變成施政的第一優先順位啦。第一怕是1200是好政策,它是造福的通勤組。但你不要有好政策,就實際上配套跟不上,我覺得這就為德不足了好不好。所以不管是季節的列車增班,還有國道客運的營運困境的改善,我認為都是交通部第一要務要處理的事。地方政委要跟我們合作。"},{"start":1541.775,"end":1542.436,"text":"再來是大的建設院長"},{"start":1553.756,"end":1574.262,"text":"這龜山的中線捷運我幫他請起命這個規劃的比誰都早但核定的時間真的一直被超車桃園綠線規劃的晚核定的早台中藍線也超車甚至連綠線的延伸線都搶先核定那我龜山鄉親情何以堪這本席還是議員的時候我們要感謝一下副院長我們在最後一次的施政總詢詢的時候要求政前市長表態"},{"start":1574.762,"end":1574.882,"text":"很快"},{"start":1599.205,"end":1624.208,"text":"這個就是 這個批了沒 這個公文對 很快就會有好消息很快 有沒有一個具體的時間嘛 鄉親很期待嘛 我講這個福國利民的延續性的建設不久 不久就會有好消息不久就會有好消息 你這不能再透露一點嗎 不可以為什麼不可以 建設的好消息 這都確定的是啊該宣布 就你剛才講的嘛 該宣布就宣布你現在又要我提前講 所以你自己前後矛盾啊 院長"},{"start":1625.389,"end":1630.111,"text":"這可是因為,來來來,你看一下這張圖表,可行性研究,輕軌改,中間環評通過,交通部審核通過,國發會審核通過,這叫程序完備"},{"start":1641.394,"end":1649.878,"text":"所以你如果批了就可以宣布?還沒有批就是沒有程序完備對不對?還在審查就是沒有程序完備對不對?現在在講這個我就跟你講你說什麼時候核定我說時間快了嘛"},{"start":1660.743,"end":1687.004,"text":"我這樣換一個角度問好了,院長,會不會核定?我們退一點,會不會核定?應不應該核定?在這個都已經前面專業的幕僚單位都處理完的情況下,會不會核定?當然核定,就是要經過各式各樣的審查的資料都完全的時候才能核定啊。但是我是跟你講說快了,我現在已經跟你講快了啊。雖然這個我們剛剛有吵架,但沒關係,只要大的建設能落地,我都敢騙你啦,好不好?"},{"start":1687.865,"end":1709.458,"text":"好,最後兩分鐘了好不好,我也要請教幾個爭議的議題,我們剛剛講看守內閣有為有守,剛剛這些扶國立民的政策叫有為啊,那有些爭議的題目啊,那叫有守啊,因為時間不多了啦,我們也就別吵了,我簡單講一下就好。比如說這段時間大家在討論的印度勞工來台,人心惶惶,它也許只是一個MOU啊,但是這個政策的溝通落地啊,"},{"start":1709.818,"end":1735.75,"text":"本席認為這個應該是交給新政府來處理嘛因為這剛好在看守期間的事情那也許新政府會有新政府的想法也許值得院長深入的考慮因為民進黨連續執政所以新舊政府之間有很好的溝通而且印度移工的這件事情我們也一再跟總統副總統有在討論所以不需要像你講的你講的張善政的事情是因為"},{"start":1737.191,"end":1759.322,"text":"沒有連續執政嘛,所以才需要這樣做,我們現在,現在我開始跟你講,印度移工就是要做。最後一分鐘啦,我把他講完啦。復路團客的經歷也是一樣,政府當然有決策的理由,你有你的模式我尊重,但這個政策的時間點啦,我要講的是時間點啦,你是預判賴清德政府會跟大陸烽火連天,所以壞帳先扛嗎?還是你要先言後寬,讓賴清德釋放善意?面價調漲也是如此嘛。"},{"start":1762.463,"end":1789.694,"text":"這個知識體大嚴重影響民生啊很有可能會導致下一次的通告膨脹看守期間你要幫賴清德當壞人嗎本期先提這幾個案例啊我只是嚴肅提醒啊我嚴肅提醒嚴肅提醒這些議題啊值得在國會有深入的討論而決策應該要尊重新政府的意志而不是看守內閣趁亂過關我希望院長聽得進勸不要一意孤行"},{"start":1790.074,"end":1812.187,"text":"但你如果非得要一意孤行,那我們只好國會見真章了好不好,謝謝啦。我想喔,這個還有16分鐘,16秒。實際上在這一個過去的這一段時間,總統、副總統跟行政院長都有很好的討論,再加上民進黨要繼續執政,所以這一些的政策實際上就有通盤的討論。所以你根本不只有擔心,講白了就是這樣嘛,謝謝啦。謝謝年委員雪婷的質詢,也謝謝陳院長的備詢。"},{"start":1820.5,"end":1824.195,"text":"接下來我們請登記第22號王委員定語質詢。"}]}}}}