{"id":149175,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149175","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/61498c107f55f9621f5ffa06fbc905fcdba0a28dd420b397f8ba9b0039caa7a6f26e9638ad4446085ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"郭昱晴","委員發言時間":"16:47:17 - 17:03:00","影片長度":"00:15:43","會議時間":"2024-03-01T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"第11屆第1會期第3次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。\n 二、3月1日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n 三、3月5日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。）","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"立法院第11屆第1會期第3次會議","id":"院會-11-1-3","type":"院會","term":11,"sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":3},"date":"2024-03-01","duration":943,"end_time":"2024-03-01T17:03:00+08:00","start_time":"2024-03-01T16:47:17+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":533,"blocks":[["郭委員昱晴：（16時47分）主席好，想請陳院長。"],["主席：請陳院長備詢。"],["陳院長建仁：郭委員，午安！恭喜你擔任立委。"],["郭委員昱晴：我想先問一下院長，你有養寵物嗎？"],["陳院長建仁：我沒有，我女兒家養了3隻貓。"],["郭委員昱晴：跟我一樣，我是養3隻貓1隻狗。那再請教一下我們的院長，你知不知道其實我們在110年12月28號有一個全國可以通報關於動保案件的專線是幾號？"],["陳院長建仁：我知道有這個專線，但是我自己沒有用過，可能我們的部長比較清楚。"],["郭委員昱晴：就是1959。"],["陳代理部長駿季：1959。"],["郭委員昱晴：對。我想其實從過去到現在也都陸陸續續有動保的議題，就是因為大家重視動物保護的一些觀念，在前年的茶茶案歷時了2年，在去年的時候其實已經確定，這是第一個案子，我覺得在動保法是非常大的鼓舞跟進步，就是這個施虐的行為人已經真的被判刑定讞，他違反了動保法而入獄服刑，我想這對我們臺灣的動保界是一個很大的鼓舞，但是其實我們在動保方面還存在很多很多的問題，包含現在其實我們知道動檢員也就動保員在接獲1959專線通報的時候，其實他們的成案率是非常之低，他們接到的報案量其實是非常非常之高。我們可以大概看一下，比方我們以新北市來說，他們整個所有動保員也就是動檢員的編制包含動檢員大概只有六、七個，就我所知，因為其實我有跟他們接觸過。另外，動保員整個所有的編制其實大概就是28位，但是他們在去年統計所接到的報案量高達3萬多件，將近快4萬件，也就是說，每一位動檢員他們身上所背負的案件其實是非常非常之多。那再來他們立即碰到一些困難，第一個就是蒐證不易，再來，接到電話的同時，因為動檢員自己本身是屬於編制內的，以新北市來講，他們是所謂的編制的公務人員這樣的上班制度，他從早上8點、9點到傍晚的5點大概就已經下班了，下班之後如果真的碰到、他們接到這個電話的時候，其實他們也要去協請所謂的警方的人員，或者是外包的單位去做這些稽查的動作，他們在第一線的時候常常會碰到一個問題，通常都是隻身前往，我不曉得農業部知不知道這個問題？"],["陳代理部長駿季：知道。我跟委員說明，目前整個接受1959的動保案件裡面，全臺灣大概有13萬件，其中數量比較大的就是雙北跟高雄地區，平均大概就像委員所說的兩萬多件。"],["郭委員昱晴：是。"],["陳代理部長駿季：然後也的確它的動保人員的整個分配，以目前來講，全臺灣的動保檢查人員大概是239人，農業部從去年8月1號成立農業部以來，我們特別成立一個動保司，其實我們成立動保司的目的就是希望更加強整個動物福利系統的處理方式。","第二個部分是整個動保人員接受到報案以後再去查核的部分，依現在的動保法，其實警方就會依相關的職權可以來協處。目前我想我們朝向的就是，第一個，我們想辦法增加財力比較弱的這些縣市本身的動保檢查人員；第二個部分就是我們跟縣、市府警察系統能夠做更多的橫向聯繫。"],["郭委員昱晴：我們講動保警察這件事情，其實提案已經很久一段時間，但是一直到目前為止，其實我們是沒辦法落實這個制度的，對不對？"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，我們現在就是……因為整個動保檢查本身的職權是在內政部，但是我們跨部會也討論過，整個動保本身的執行是因為法律授權的關係，所以只要我們在相關的動保法裡面有規範的時候，一般的警察也可以介入來協助，不一定是一定要專責是動保警察。"],["郭委員昱晴：但是因為本席所接觸到的一些人，他們跟我說的、陳述的一些狀況是，通常這些動保員到了現場第一線的時候，其實他們常常是不得其門而入，所以只要是被通報的這一戶所謂的行為人，如果他的寵物是外觀上看不出來的，沒有明顯的營養不良，也沒有明顯的外傷，其實我們是沒有辦法在第一時間把動物帶走救援。"],["陳代理部長駿季：對。"],["郭委員昱晴：另外一個狀況就是，他們所碰到的是，我剛剛講他們經常是隻身前往，但是5點之後變成是外包的單位，這些外包的單位他們也許在動保、動物保護的這些法令上面，其實他們常識是比較不足的，所以剛剛為什麼會看到他們的成案率會這麼的低。如果是以新北市來講，它的成案率只有0.02，也就是說，一整年當中有三萬多件，但是它真正能夠違反動保法而成案的比例是非常非常之低的，我相信除了在新北市，其實還有很多縣市的成案率是零，我想我們在這個部分可以在所謂的動保員或動檢員的人力配置、分配不均的狀態之下，再來就是他們有時候必須去協同警方去幫忙，一起去處理，前往去處理，因為警察比較知道怎麼樣去做蒐證的工作。"],["陳代理部長駿季：是。"],["郭委員昱晴：但是問題是動保員他們沒有這方面的權力，你們是不是可以稍微跨部會，比方說我們可能跟警政署這邊來做一些配合，舉例來說，因為警察的工作，當然我們知道他們的工作其實是非常繁忙的，他們的大小案件真的也很多，也是很辛苦，有時候他們不見得能夠協助這些動檢員或動保員前往行為人的家裡去做出這樣援救的動作，那我們是不是可以鼓勵這些員警，就是我們可能跨部會，可能到時候再跟我們警政署這邊看怎麼樣來協調，是不是鼓勵這些所謂的警察，讓他們有一些獎勵的機制，然後他們可以有一些所謂績效上面的記點，鼓勵他們去陪同來做這件事情，我相信1個人去跟2個人去的效果，我覺得2個人去，其中1位是警察，是不是真的就能夠嚇阻所謂的施虐的行為人他們即將要施虐的一個動作？他們可能會收斂一點。我們的成案率雖然偏低，因為這個部分目前蒐證是比較無解的一個狀況，但是，是不是在這個部分我們可以做跨部會的協調？"],["陳代理部長駿季：OK，我想非常謝謝委員的建議，我剛才也說了，現階段我們是去強化我們跟警政署警察單位本身的聯繫跟互動，您剛才講的一些誘因機制，就是讓警察更有意願的誘因機制，我想後續我們會朝這個方向去跟內政部警政署那邊來處理。"],["陳院長建仁：我們請內政部長說明一下。"],["林部長右昌：謝謝郭委員的指教，依據大法官釋字第588號的解釋，廣義的警察權還有動物保護法第二十三條的規定，動檢員是主管機關農業部的法定動保警察，當然現在農業部其實也已經在辦理設立動保警察專案的研究。"],["郭委員昱晴：但他們的人數其實是少的，他們其實在整個所有編制內的任務是繁重的，但他們的人數其實是少的。"],["林部長右昌：是，因為這兩件事一個是人數的問題、人力的問題，第二個是現在在研議，因為有一些這樣的意見就是修改動保法給予動檢員司法警察權的一個方案。另外，站在我們警政署的角度，我們會全力配合農業部相關的方案跟政策，現在我們已經訂頒處理動物保護作業程序的相關規定，我們也進行相關員警的訓練來協助配合。"],["郭委員昱晴：我們希望很快可以聽到大家可以讓成案率提高，然後真的能夠救援更多的動物。"],["陳院長建仁：相互合作。"],["郭委員昱晴：因為其實在2月份的時候有一個很大的新聞，就是在嘉義發生一位何姓女子因為租金繳不出來，後來房東說為什麼他的門很久沒開了，打開之後發現有七十幾隻毛孩子，再來又輾轉透過網友知道他現居的地方其實也有二十幾條小毛孩子的生命已經來不及救了。當然也因為這樣，我想虐待動物事件一直不斷存在在我們各個不同的角落，我們希望大家真的來重視這個議題好不好？"],["林部長右昌：是。"],["郭委員昱晴：另外就是在我們的檢疫所，其實也要給一些肯定，在昨天公布了如果有飼主從國外回來，然後是帶著他們的寵物回來，其實有條件的是可以開放……"],["陳代理部長駿季：放寬。"],["郭委員昱晴：可以放寬，不用7天的隔離期。我記得在去年10月的時候，其實農業部你們也說我們現有的檢疫所在1個月之內，是去年10月講的喔，在1個月之內希望能夠改善寵物檢疫隔離所的環境，這個部分有做到嗎？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我想跟委員說明，我們目前觀音的隔離檢疫所大概分成兩個部分，一個部分是經濟動物的部分，另外一個部分就是跟寵物有關的。跟寵物有關的現在最主要是貓犬的部分，那個隔離房舍基本的改善都已經完成了，但是我覺得它還有更大的改善空間。所以在上個禮拜我們內部也討論了，我們準備提一個中長程計畫，用4年的時間，因為第一個它在海邊，籠子很容易鏽掉，所以有一些基礎的設施是可以再更精進，我們希望透過這樣一個改善，特別現在很多毛小孩都是從國外進來的，讓這些毛小孩的主人去到觀音這些隔離檢驗站的時候會有不一樣的感覺。"],["郭委員昱晴：我想其實可以放寬飼主去探望自己的毛小孩的時間。"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，我們這個也在檢討。"],["郭委員昱晴：因為我想一般寵物旅館都可以做到24小時可以隨時監看自己的寵物在幹嘛，沒道理我們自己的檢疫所做不到，好不好？"],["陳代理部長駿季：好，這個一定做得到。"],["郭委員昱晴：好不好？"],["陳代理部長駿季：好。"],["郭委員昱晴：好，那我們儘快。"],["陳代理部長駿季：好。"],["郭委員昱晴：因為今天時間的關係，接下來我想請教一下文化部長，就影視文化勞權的一些問題，在這裡我想要請教一下我們的文化部部長，您知道影視文化從業人員的職災是一般勞工的大概幾倍？"],["史部長哲：這個方面……"],["郭委員昱晴：8倍，大概是8倍，所以一般電視、電影從業人員的工時其實都是超過一般勞工很多很多，有時候可能這個戲一拍下來，可能真的都要好幾天沒睡覺，14個小時到16個小時叫做一般啦！叫做平均啦！當然我們知道，針對2022年3月份神仙谷的事件，其實文化部馬上啟動了勞檢，對不對？那個時候文化部給我們一些資料，說有勞檢的部分是25家，對不對？這25家的名單是怎麼來的？"],["史部長哲：跟委員報告，應該不只25家，我們現在基本上已經跟各縣市產生連線，也就是說，只要有開拍，我們都會主動進行勞檢。"],["郭委員昱晴：這個範圍我們可以掌握到多少？其實包含棚內或者是到外縣市、到其他的鄉鎮市取景，我相信臺灣的影視公司絕對不只25家，所以我們希望能夠擴大，然後掌握更多數據。"],["史部長哲：對，所以我剛剛跟委員報告，不只25家，因為現在每個縣市其實都有協拍中心，只要他申請協拍，我們就會知道他的開拍狀況，事實上都會跟各縣市或者是各地方的勞檢單位連線，都會主動進行勞檢。"],["郭委員昱晴：所以我剛剛講到，職安的措施其實非常重要。針對所謂的影視，我們將來是不是有可能落實職安這樣子的觀念？現在有很多大專院校是影視相關的，他們可能一畢業之後就會投入這樣子的產業，是不是也要加強？是不是有可能成為他們的必修課？這個我們來努力好不好？"],["史部長哲：是的，現在是沒有必修課，不過我們是透過工協會，事實上有持續進行有關於勞教以及相關的宣導，參加的人數也持續增加。"],["郭委員昱晴：好，最後一個部分我想要提到，其實在我們的影視工作產業，不管是幕前或幕後，有很多資深的人員，他們真的一輩子為臺灣貢獻，尤其是在這樣子的影視文化平臺當中，我們是不是能夠主動關懷，而不是他們要用急難申請的方式，還要經過審核？既然是急難救助、補助，就不應該透過門檻很高的申請流程。我自己以前可能真的叱吒風雲，可是現在我要讓大家知道我需要幫助，這對他們來講，已經是身心上面一個小小的障礙了，更何況我還要經過審查？然後真的審查到審查過後的急難救助，可能又有一段時間。這個部分我們是不是能很快地改善？我希望能夠由文化部自己來做起，讓更多這方面的從業人員得到協助，尤其是可以針對資深的人員做這樣的努力。"],["史部長哲：跟委員報告，我們其實一直都有持續關懷，但是有關於簡化程序以及更普遍性的關懷，我們來檢討。"],["郭委員昱晴：好，謝謝。其實還有教育部的問題，這個部分我們就用書面質詢，也請教育部用書面的答詢方式，好嗎？謝謝兩位。"],["委員郭昱晴書面質詢：","案由：本院委員郭昱晴有鑑於韓流文化風靡全球，韓國明星在世界的影響力不容小覷，不論是鏡頭前或私底下，所使用的包款衣褲、配件甚至是髮型都能成為流行的指標，近期高級中等以下學校，開始一波蒐集明星小卡熱潮，針對特定明星小卡蒐集困難，衍生出網路賣場熱潮，隨之而來的是交易買賣、詐騙、售假等狀況，為維護青少年權益與影視名人形象與肖像權權益，爰請行政院、教育部等相關部會重視相關議題，並提出改善方案。","說明：","一、韓國團體的專輯小卡創始者少女時代，於2010年因為不同通路附贈小卡不同，創造專輯預購15萬張記錄，去2023年韓國HIP 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00:00:09,802\n我想請陳院長來請陳院長備詢。我想先問一下院長你有養寵物嗎?跟我一樣我是三隻貓一隻狗。那再請教一下我們的院長知不知道其實我們在這個\n\n2\n00:00:56,698 --> 00:01:25,562\n我想這個動保的議題其實到目前為止其實從過去到現在其實也都在陸陸續續因為大家重視這個動物保護的一些觀念那我想這個從前年的查查案歷時了兩年在去年的時候其實已經確定這是第一個我覺得在動保法是非常大的一個鼓舞跟進步就是說這個施虐的行為人他其實已經真的確定被定焉就是他違反動保法而入獄服刑\n\n3\n00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:41,134\n我想這是我們在臺灣的動保界是一個很大的一個鼓舞但是其實在動保我們還存在了有很多很多的一個問題那包含現在其實我們大概知道說在動檢員也就是動保員他們其實在接獲所謂的1959的一個通報的專案的時候\n\n4\n00:01:43,616 --> 00:01:43,856\n主席﹗\n\n5\n00:02:08,787 --> 00:02:33,177\n另外在動保員的一個整個所有的編制內其實大概就是28位但是他們在去年統計他們接到的報案量是高達了將近快要到3萬多件將近快4萬件那也就是說每一位動檢員他們的這個所身上所背負的案件其實是非常非常之多那再來他們立即碰到的一些困難就包含第一蒐證不易\n\n6\n00:02:34,497 --> 00:02:35,018\n﹚接到電話的同時﹚\n\n7\n00:02:55,590 --> 00:02:55,610\n委員﹗\n\n8\n00:03:27,699 --> 00:03:56,382\n也的確他的動保人員的整個分配以目前來講全台灣的動保檢查人員大概是239人那農業部從去年8月1日我們成立農業部以來我們特別成立一個動保師那其實我們成立動保師的目的就是說希望更加強整個動物福利系統的一個處理方式那第二個部分是整個動保人員他接受到報案以後再去查核的部分那依現在的動保法其實\n\n9\n00:03:58,564 --> 00:04:19,157\n警方就會依相關的職權可以來協處的部分那現在目前我想我們朝向的就是第一個增加我們想辦法增加這些財力比較弱的這些縣市本身的動保檢察人員第二個部分就是我們跟縣那個市府那個警察系統能夠做更多的橫向的一個聯繫\n\n10\n00:04:20,198 --> 00:04:28,270\n我們講動保警察這件事情其實提案已經很久的一段時間但是一直到目前為止我們是沒辦法落實這個制度的\n\n11\n00:04:29,537 --> 00:04:50,470\n我們現在就是因為整個動保檢查本身的職權制內政部但是我們也跨部也討論過整個動保本身的一個執行是因為法律授權的關係所以只要我們在相關的動保法裡面有規範的時候一般的警察也可以介入來協助而不一定是一定要專責是動保警察\n\n12\n00:04:51,189 --> 00:05:05,545\n但是因為其實我所接觸到的就是本席所接觸到的一些就是他們跟我說的陳述的一些狀況是通常這些動保員到了現場第一線的時候其實他們常常是不得其門而入所以只要是\n\n13\n00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:22,681\n以新北市來講他的成案率只有0.02\n\n14\n00:06:13,644 --> 00:06:14,944\n警察的工作當然我們知道他們的工作其實非常繁忙的啦\n\n15\n00:06:52,343 --> 00:06:52,624\n主席\n\n16\n00:07:12,745 --> 00:07:38,624\n然後鼓勵他們去陪同來做這件事情我相信一個人去跟兩個人去的效果我覺得兩個人去其中一位是警察是不是真的就能夠嚇阻所謂的施虐的行為人他們的即將要施虐的一個動作他們可能會收斂一點我們的成案率是雖然偏低因為這個部分目前搜證是比較無解的一個狀況但是是不是在這個部分我們是可以來做跨部會的一個協調\n\n17\n00:07:40,126 --> 00:07:59,098\n非常謝謝委員的建議。就是說我剛才也說的,現階段我們是去強化我們跟警政署、警察單位本身的一個聯繫跟互動。那您剛才講的一些誘因的機制有沒有,就是說讓警察更有意願的誘因機制,我想我們後續我們會朝這個方向去跟內政部、警政署那邊來處理。\n\n18\n00:07:59,778 --> 00:08:24,918\n我們請內政部長說明一下,好不好?是,謝謝郭委員的指教。那依據大法官的一個釋制第588號的一個解釋,廣義的警察權還有動物保護法第23條的規定。這個動檢員這個是主管機關農業部的法定動保警察。當然現在其實農業部也已經在辦理設立動保這個警察的專案的一個研究。\n\n19\n00:08:26,259 --> 00:08:50,539\n他們的人數其實是少的喔。他們其實在整個所有編制內的任務是繁重的,但他們的人數其實是少的。是,因為這兩件事,一個是人數的問題,人力的問題。第二個是,現在在研議,有一些這樣的一個意見,就是修改動保法來給予動棄員部分司法警察權的一個方案。\n\n20\n00:08:51,119 --> 00:09:18,117\n另外站在我們這個警政署的一個角度我們會全力來配合農業部相關的一個方案跟政策那現在我們已經定班處理動物保護作業的程序的相關的規定那我們也進行相關員警的一個訓練來協助我們希望很快可以聽到就是大家可以讓成案率提高然後真的能夠救援更多的動物因為其實在2月份的時候我不知道\n\n21\n00:09:18,777 --> 00:09:33,849\n我想很大的一個新聞就是在嘉義發生一位核心女子那麼在她的因為她是租金繳不出來後來是被房東說她為什麼這個門很久沒開了打開之後發現有70幾隻的毛孩子\n\n22\n00:10:00,229 --> 00:10:24,154\n另外其實就是在我們的檢疫所我知道其實昨天這個也要給我們一些肯定在昨天其實我們公佈了就是如果有氏族他們是從國外回來然後帶著他們的寵物回來其實有條件的是可以開放他可以放寬他是不用7天隔離期這樣那我記得其實在去年10月的時候其實我們農業部他們你們也真的也\n\n23\n00:10:25,915 --> 00:10:49,846\n檢疫所在一個月之內希望能夠改善檢疫隔離所寵物的環境。這個部分有做到嗎?我想跟委員說明,我們現在目前的隔離檢疫所分兩個部分。一個部分是經濟動物的部分,另外一個部分是跟寵物有關的。寵物有關的現在最主要是貓犬的部分。\n\n24\n00:10:50,666 --> 00:11:18,977\n那貓血那個隔離的那個房舍我們基本的改善都已經完成了但是我覺得它還有更大的改善空間所以我們在上個禮拜我們內部也討論了我們準備提一個中長層計畫用4年的時間因為它第一個在海邊它的籠子很容易鏽掉所以有一些基礎的設施它是可以在更精進的部分那我們希望說透過這樣的一個改善能夠\n\n25\n00:11:32,724 --> 00:11:45,712\n我想其實可以放寬事主去探望自己的毛小孩的一個時間。因為我想說一般寵物旅館都可以做到24小時可以隨時監看自己的寵物在幹嘛。沒道理我們的自己的檢疫所做不到。好不好?好不好?\n\n26\n00:11:48,053 --> 00:11:49,694\n您知道影視文化的從業人員的職災是一般勞工的大概幾倍?\n\n27\n00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:38,455\n大概是八倍。所以一般其實以電視、電影、從業人員他們的工時其實都是超過一般勞工,很多很多。有時候可能一連這個戲一拍下來可能真的都要好幾天沒睡覺,這14個小時到16個小時叫做一般啦,叫做平均啦。那當然其實我們知道這個在2022年3月份\n\n28\n00:12:57,558 --> 00:12:58,559\n主動積極的就是這個範圍我們可以掌握到多少?因為我想25家\n\n29\n00:13:13,959 --> 00:13:34,802\n其實包含就是我們的這個棚內或者是我們到了外縣市,到了其他的鄉鎮市去取景的時候,其實我相信我們臺灣的影視公司絕對不只25家。所以我們希望能夠擴大,然後再更多的一些掌握的數據。對,所以我剛剛跟委員報告不只25家,因為現在每個縣市其實都有協派中心。\n\n30\n00:13:35,182 --> 00:14:02,135\n只是要他申請協拍我們就會知道說他其實他的開拍狀況那事實上都會跟各縣市或者是各地方的勞檢單位連線都會主動來進行勞檢所以我剛剛講到其實職安的措施其實他是非常非常的重要就針對所謂的影視那我們將來是不是有可能可以把所謂的職安的這樣子的一個觀念因為現在其實有很多的大專院校是相關影視的他們可能一畢業之後就會投入這樣子的一個產業\n\n31\n00:14:03,175 --> 00:14:17,801\n是不是也要加強,是不是有可能成為他們的必修課,這個我們來努力好不好?是的,我們現在是沒有必修課,不過我們是透過工協會事實上有持續在進行有關於勞教以及相關的宣導,事實上參加的人數也一直要持續增加。\n\n32\n00:14:20,317 --> 00:14:45,459\n最後一個部分其實我想要提到的就是其實在我們的影視工作產業當中不管是幕前或幕後有很多的資深的人員他們其實真的一輩子為臺灣貢獻尤其是在這樣子的一個影視文化的一個平台當中那我們是不是能夠啟動一些主動關懷而不是他們要用急難申請的方式還要經過審核既然是急難救助\n\n33\n00:14:45,879 --> 00:14:45,999\n主席\n\n34\n00:14:53,393 --> 00:15:19,624\n以前可能真的叱吒風雲可是現在我要讓大家知道說我需要幫助這對他們來講已經是身心上面的一個小小的障礙了更何況我還要經過審查然後真的審查到審查過後的所謂的極難的救助可能又有一段的時間這個部分我們是不是很快的希望能夠由我們文化部這個地方我們自己來做起能夠讓更多的這一方面的\n\n35\n00:15:31,966 --> 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釋,廣義的警察權還有動物保護法第23條的規定。這個動檢員這個是主管機關農業部的法定動保警察。當然現在其實農業部也已經在辦理設立動保這個警察的專案的一個研究。\n他們的人數其實是少的喔。他們其實在整個所有編制內的任務是繁重的,但他們的人數其實是少的。是,因為這兩件事,一個是人數的問題,人力的問題。第二個是,現在在研議,有一些這樣的一個意見,就是修改動保法來給予動棄員部分司法警察權的一個方案。\n另外站在我們這個警政署的一個角度我們會全力來配合農業部相關的一個方案跟政策那現在我們已經定班處理動物保護作業的程序的相關的規定那我們也進行相關員警的一個訓練來協助我們希望很快可以聽到就是大家可以讓成案率提高然後真的能夠救援更多的動物因為其實在2月份的時候我不知道\n我想很大的一個新聞就是在嘉義發生一位核心女子那麼在她的因為她是租金繳不出來後來是被房東說她為什麼這個門很久沒開了打開之後發現有70幾隻的毛孩子\n﹗\n另外其實就是在我們的檢疫所我知道其實昨天這個也要給我們一些肯定在昨天其實我們公佈了就是如果有氏族他們是從國外回來然後帶著他們的寵物回來其實有條件的是可以開放他可以放寬他是不用7天隔離期這樣那我記得其實在去年10月的時候其實我們農業部他們你們也真的也\n檢疫所在一個月之內希望能夠改善檢疫隔離所寵物的環境。這個部分有做到嗎?我想跟委員說明,我們現在目前的隔離檢疫所分兩個部分。一個部分是經濟動物的部分,另外一個部分是跟寵物有關的。寵物有關的現在最主要是貓犬的部分。\n那貓血那個隔離的那個房舍我們基本的改善都已經完成了但是我覺得它還有更大的改善空間所以我們在上個禮拜我們內部也討論了我們準備提一個中長層計畫用4年的時間因為它第一個在海邊它的籠子很容易鏽掉所以有一些基礎的設施它是可以在更精進的部分那我們希望說透過這樣的一個改善能夠\n我想其實可以放寬事主去探望自己的毛小孩的一個時間。因為我想說一般寵物旅館都可以做到24小時可以隨時監看自己的寵物在幹嘛。沒道理我們的自己的檢疫所做不到。好不好?好不好?\n您知道影視文化的從業人員的職災是一般勞工的大概幾倍?\n大概是八倍。所以一般其實以電視、電影、從業人員他們的工時其實都是超過一般勞工,很多很多。有時候可能一連這個戲一拍下來可能真的都要好幾天沒睡覺,這14個小時到16個小時叫做一般啦,叫做平均啦。那當然其實我們知道這個在2022年3月份\n﹏﹏\n主動積極的就是這個範圍我們可以掌握到多少?因為我想25家\n其實包含就是我們的這個棚內或者是我們到了外縣市,到了其他的鄉鎮市去取景的時候,其實我相信我們臺灣的影視公司絕對不只25家。所以我們希望能夠擴大,然後再更多的一些掌握的數據。對,所以我剛剛跟委員報告不只25家,因為現在每個縣市其實都有協派中心。\n只是要他申請協拍我們就會知道說他其實他的開拍狀況那事實上都會跟各縣市或者是各地方的勞檢單位連線都會主動來進行勞檢所以我剛剛講到其實職安的措施其實他是非常非常的重要就針對所謂的影視那我們將來是不是有可能可以把所謂的職安的這樣子的一個觀念因為現在其實有很多的大專院校是相關影視的他們可能一畢業之後就會投入這樣子的一個產業\n是不是也要加強,是不是有可能成為他們的必修課,這個我們來努力好不好?是的,我們現在是沒有必修課,不過我們是透過工協會事實上有持續在進行有關於勞教以及相關的宣導,事實上參加的人數也一直要持續增加。\n最後一個部分其實我想要提到的就是其實在我們的影視工作產業當中不管是幕前或幕後有很多的資深的人員他們其實真的一輩子為臺灣貢獻尤其是在這樣子的一個影視文化的一個平台當中那我們是不是能夠啟動一些主動關懷而不是他們要用急難申請的方式還要經過審核既然是急難救助\n主席\n以前可能真的叱吒風雲可是現在我要讓大家知道說我需要幫助這對他們來講已經是身心上面的一個小小的障礙了更何況我還要經過審查然後真的審查到審查過後的所謂的極難的救助可能又有一段的時間這個部分我們是不是很快的希望能夠由我們文化部這個地方我們自己來做起能夠讓更多的這一方面的\n主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.401 --> 00:09.802\n我想請陳院長來請陳院長備詢。我想先問一下院長你有養寵物嗎?跟我一樣我是三隻貓一隻狗。那再請教一下我們的院長知不知道其實我們在這個\n\n00:56.698 --> 01:25.562\n我想這個動保的議題其實到目前為止其實從過去到現在其實也都在陸陸續續因為大家重視這個動物保護的一些觀念那我想這個從前年的查查案歷時了兩年在去年的時候其實已經確定這是第一個我覺得在動保法是非常大的一個鼓舞跟進步就是說這個施虐的行為人他其實已經真的確定被定焉就是他違反動保法而入獄服刑\n\n01:26.440 --> 01:41.134\n我想這是我們在臺灣的動保界是一個很大的一個鼓舞但是其實在動保我們還存在了有很多很多的一個問題那包含現在其實我們大概知道說在動檢員也就是動保員他們其實在接獲所謂的1959的一個通報的專案的時候\n\n01:43.616 --> 01:43.856\n主席﹗\n\n02:08.787 --> 02:33.177\n另外在動保員的一個整個所有的編制內其實大概就是28位但是他們在去年統計他們接到的報案量是高達了將近快要到3萬多件將近快4萬件那也就是說每一位動檢員他們的這個所身上所背負的案件其實是非常非常之多那再來他們立即碰到的一些困難就包含第一蒐證不易\n\n02:34.497 --> 02:35.018\n﹚接到電話的同時﹚\n\n02:55.590 --> 02:55.610\n委員﹗\n\n03:27.699 --> 03:56.382\n也的確他的動保人員的整個分配以目前來講全台灣的動保檢查人員大概是239人那農業部從去年8月1日我們成立農業部以來我們特別成立一個動保師那其實我們成立動保師的目的就是說希望更加強整個動物福利系統的一個處理方式那第二個部分是整個動保人員他接受到報案以後再去查核的部分那依現在的動保法其實\n\n03:58.564 --> 04:19.157\n警方就會依相關的職權可以來協處的部分那現在目前我想我們朝向的就是第一個增加我們想辦法增加這些財力比較弱的這些縣市本身的動保檢察人員第二個部分就是我們跟縣那個市府那個警察系統能夠做更多的橫向的一個聯繫\n\n04:20.198 --> 04:28.270\n我們講動保警察這件事情其實提案已經很久的一段時間但是一直到目前為止我們是沒辦法落實這個制度的\n\n04:29.537 --> 04:50.470\n我們現在就是因為整個動保檢查本身的職權制內政部但是我們也跨部也討論過整個動保本身的一個執行是因為法律授權的關係所以只要我們在相關的動保法裡面有規範的時候一般的警察也可以介入來協助而不一定是一定要專責是動保警察\n\n04:51.189 --> 05:05.545\n但是因為其實我所接觸到的就是本席所接觸到的一些就是他們跟我說的陳述的一些狀況是通常這些動保員到了現場第一線的時候其實他們常常是不得其門而入所以只要是\n\n05:21.880 --> 05:22.681\n以新北市來講他的成案率只有0.02\n\n06:13.644 --> 06:14.944\n警察的工作當然我們知道他們的工作其實非常繁忙的啦\n\n06:52.343 --> 06:52.624\n主席\n\n07:12.745 --> 07:38.624\n然後鼓勵他們去陪同來做這件事情我相信一個人去跟兩個人去的效果我覺得兩個人去其中一位是警察是不是真的就能夠嚇阻所謂的施虐的行為人他們的即將要施虐的一個動作他們可能會收斂一點我們的成案率是雖然偏低因為這個部分目前搜證是比較無解的一個狀況但是是不是在這個部分我們是可以來做跨部會的一個協調\n\n07:40.126 --> 07:59.098\n非常謝謝委員的建議。就是說我剛才也說的,現階段我們是去強化我們跟警政署、警察單位本身的一個聯繫跟互動。那您剛才講的一些誘因的機制有沒有,就是說讓警察更有意願的誘因機制,我想我們後續我們會朝這個方向去跟內政部、警政署那邊來處理。\n\n07:59.778 --> 08:24.918\n我們請內政部長說明一下,好不好?是,謝謝郭委員的指教。那依據大法官的一個釋制第588號的一個解釋,廣義的警察權還有動物保護法第23條的規定。這個動檢員這個是主管機關農業部的法定動保警察。當然現在其實農業部也已經在辦理設立動保這個警察的專案的一個研究。\n\n08:26.259 --> 08:50.539\n他們的人數其實是少的喔。他們其實在整個所有編制內的任務是繁重的,但他們的人數其實是少的。是,因為這兩件事,一個是人數的問題,人力的問題。第二個是,現在在研議,有一些這樣的一個意見,就是修改動保法來給予動棄員部分司法警察權的一個方案。\n\n08:51.119 --> 09:18.117\n另外站在我們這個警政署的一個角度我們會全力來配合農業部相關的一個方案跟政策那現在我們已經定班處理動物保護作業的程序的相關的規定那我們也進行相關員警的一個訓練來協助我們希望很快可以聽到就是大家可以讓成案率提高然後真的能夠救援更多的動物因為其實在2月份的時候我不知道\n\n09:18.777 --> 09:33.849\n我想很大的一個新聞就是在嘉義發生一位核心女子那麼在她的因為她是租金繳不出來後來是被房東說她為什麼這個門很久沒開了打開之後發現有70幾隻的毛孩子\n\n10:00.229 --> 10:24.154\n另外其實就是在我們的檢疫所我知道其實昨天這個也要給我們一些肯定在昨天其實我們公佈了就是如果有氏族他們是從國外回來然後帶著他們的寵物回來其實有條件的是可以開放他可以放寬他是不用7天隔離期這樣那我記得其實在去年10月的時候其實我們農業部他們你們也真的也\n\n10:25.915 --> 10:49.846\n檢疫所在一個月之內希望能夠改善檢疫隔離所寵物的環境。這個部分有做到嗎?我想跟委員說明,我們現在目前的隔離檢疫所分兩個部分。一個部分是經濟動物的部分,另外一個部分是跟寵物有關的。寵物有關的現在最主要是貓犬的部分。\n\n10:50.666 --> 11:18.977\n那貓血那個隔離的那個房舍我們基本的改善都已經完成了但是我覺得它還有更大的改善空間所以我們在上個禮拜我們內部也討論了我們準備提一個中長層計畫用4年的時間因為它第一個在海邊它的籠子很容易鏽掉所以有一些基礎的設施它是可以在更精進的部分那我們希望說透過這樣的一個改善能夠\n\n11:32.724 --> 11:45.712\n我想其實可以放寬事主去探望自己的毛小孩的一個時間。因為我想說一般寵物旅館都可以做到24小時可以隨時監看自己的寵物在幹嘛。沒道理我們的自己的檢疫所做不到。好不好?好不好?\n\n11:48.053 --> 11:49.694\n您知道影視文化的從業人員的職災是一般勞工的大概幾倍?\n\n12:17.240 --> 12:38.455\n大概是八倍。所以一般其實以電視、電影、從業人員他們的工時其實都是超過一般勞工,很多很多。有時候可能一連這個戲一拍下來可能真的都要好幾天沒睡覺,這14個小時到16個小時叫做一般啦,叫做平均啦。那當然其實我們知道這個在2022年3月份\n\n12:57.558 --> 12:58.559\n主動積極的就是這個範圍我們可以掌握到多少?因為我想25家\n\n13:13.959 --> 13:34.802\n其實包含就是我們的這個棚內或者是我們到了外縣市,到了其他的鄉鎮市去取景的時候,其實我相信我們臺灣的影視公司絕對不只25家。所以我們希望能夠擴大,然後再更多的一些掌握的數據。對,所以我剛剛跟委員報告不只25家,因為現在每個縣市其實都有協派中心。\n\n13:35.182 --> 14:02.135\n只是要他申請協拍我們就會知道說他其實他的開拍狀況那事實上都會跟各縣市或者是各地方的勞檢單位連線都會主動來進行勞檢所以我剛剛講到其實職安的措施其實他是非常非常的重要就針對所謂的影視那我們將來是不是有可能可以把所謂的職安的這樣子的一個觀念因為現在其實有很多的大專院校是相關影視的他們可能一畢業之後就會投入這樣子的一個產業\n\n14:03.175 --> 14:17.801\n是不是也要加強,是不是有可能成為他們的必修課,這個我們來努力好不好?是的,我們現在是沒有必修課,不過我們是透過工協會事實上有持續在進行有關於勞教以及相關的宣導,事實上參加的人數也一直要持續增加。\n\n14:20.317 --> 14:45.459\n最後一個部分其實我想要提到的就是其實在我們的影視工作產業當中不管是幕前或幕後有很多的資深的人員他們其實真的一輩子為臺灣貢獻尤其是在這樣子的一個影視文化的一個平台當中那我們是不是能夠啟動一些主動關懷而不是他們要用急難申請的方式還要經過審核既然是急難救助\n\n14:45.879 --> 14:45.999\n主席\n\n14:53.393 --> 15:19.624\n以前可能真的叱吒風雲可是現在我要讓大家知道說我需要幫助這對他們來講已經是身心上面的一個小小的障礙了更何況我還要經過審查然後真的審查到審查過後的所謂的極難的救助可能又有一段的時間這個部分我們是不是很快的希望能夠由我們文化部這個地方我們自己來做起能夠讓更多的這一方面的\n\n15:31.966 --> 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