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三、3月5日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。）","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"立法院第11屆第1會期第3次會議","id":"院會-11-1-3","type":"院會","term":11,"sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":3},"date":"2024-03-01","duration":968,"end_time":"2024-03-01T17:19:23+08:00","start_time":"2024-03-01T17:03:15+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":596,"blocks":[["陳委員培瑜：（17時3分）有請行政院長。謝謝。"],["主席：麻煩再請陳院長備詢。"],["陳委員培瑜：還有教育部長。謝謝。"],["主席：麻煩請教育部部長備詢。"],["陳委員培瑜：兩位院長，很不好意思，因為我確診，所以我要戴著口罩。"],["陳院長建仁：沒有關係，多多保重。"],["陳委員培瑜：好。"],["陳院長建仁：陳委員午安，多多保重，然後恭喜你繼續擔任立委。"],["陳委員培瑜：謝謝院長，我們就開始。我們其實一直都在跟教育部討論體育改革，但是體育改革的題目真的非常龐大又複雜，所以今天只選幾個比較重要的事情，希望教育部搭配行政院的高度，解決我們今天所要說的一些小小的問題，但是非常有機會從這些小小的問題看到政府的決心。","第一個，我個人非常認同賴清德當選總統之後告訴大家的，民進黨要當改革的第一個品牌，這第一名的品牌是什麼意思？我想先請部長跟院長看一下，在選舉之前，我們看到體育署有出了一個 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00:01:26,122\n好第一個我個人非常認同賴清德在當選總統之後他告訴我他告訴大家民進黨要當改革第一個品牌那這第一名的品牌是什麼意思我想先請部長跟院長看一下在選舉之前我們看到體育署有出了一個這個list說體育政策大盤點也就是說在這八年當中有非常多體育改革已經積極在進行中但是這些改革裡面我們卻看不到一個很重要的東西就是單項協會的改革\n\n4\n00:01:27,483 --> 00:01:28,423\n謝謝委員關心,我也跟委員報告,其實蔡總統在第一任開始的時候,其實\n\n5\n00:01:57,659 --> 00:02:20,013\n國民體育法當中非常重大的改變就是希望對單項協會那麼這一方面也是當時在國體法修法裡面的一個重點那當然曾如雯說這幾年確實有因為我們的單項數量也相當多有70多項而且事情很多那目前應該說多數的這些單項不管他們在這個說選舉\n\n6\n00:02:23,254 --> 00:02:25,255\n在這個照片不知道院長你有沒有印象?\n\n7\n00:02:48,326 --> 00:03:13,591\n臺威斯盃那這個比賽呢其實我也到現場去看了我必須要說但是在這個比賽前呢出了一些事情其實當時我們在12月的時候我們在教育文化委員會就黃國書委員還有陳慶明委員還有我我們透過臨時提案就已經要求體育署要去提醒網協在臺威斯盃關於選手的出場費還有保險費必須要趕快去協商跟討論因為我們聽到都還沒有進展\n\n8\n00:03:14,551 --> 00:03:38,379\n我們在1月的時候就收到了相關教育部的回函說往前已經跟選手往外溝通但是在比賽前6天在這個頭影片的右半部我們看到了有一個應該是選手的朋友或者是選手的家人他說臺威斯杯已經只剩6天但選手依然沒有聽到任何跟保險費還有票房分潤或是出場費有關的事情\n\n9\n00:03:39,724 --> 00:03:59,779\n而且還發生更離譜的現象以我過去做文化工作網協他們甚至還製作了相關選手肖像的周邊產品是沒有告訴選手的甚至他們還規劃了簽名會也是沒有告訴選手的但是所有的事情都已經對外對球迷公告於是選手就必須要忍氣吞聲配合網協\n\n10\n00:04:01,752 --> 00:04:29,102\n那我們知道了這個事情之後我們第一時間去到國手他們練習的場地去跟他們對話那這個對話看起來應該是很平和的一個現場對嗎?我們只是想要聽一聽到底網協還疏漏了哪些事情其實立法院可以透過跟體育署對話去協助選手可是就當我們那一天分享完這張照片在社群媒體上告訴選手請他們不用擔心我們會積極的跟體育署溝通我們馬上就收到另外一封來信\n\n11\n00:04:30,865 --> 00:04:50,232\n就是我貼出來這個有一個選手的家人就寫信到我們辦公室信箱我想念給院長聽喔他說我們這張照片可不可以從臉書上面拿下來因為他看到他自己的家人就出現在照片當中他的第一個反應是完了他說委員我相信你應該理解臺灣的階級文化跟行政文化\n\n12\n00:04:50,672 --> 00:04:50,872\n﹚陳培瑜\n\n13\n00:05:19,543 --> 00:05:44,571\n竟然這件事情是選手的家人感覺到恐懼那院長你也知道我過去一直在做兒童界的人權教育其實我非常非常難過當我看到選手的家人第一時間必須站出來為選手發聲連這樣的照片他們都感到恐懼我先說我當天的處理是我就自己回信同時我也第一時間把照片撤下來可是我要說的是為什麼我們的選手還要擔心\n\n14\n00:05:45,151 --> 00:06:10,038\n被協會清算、被協會針對,甚至有可能成為相關政治活動下的祭品。這樣真的是我們要給選手的選手人生嗎?我想問一下院長您看到這邊,您有什麼感覺?因為您也到過臺威慈悲現場。看到這樣的臉書我是覺得蠻難過的。尤其是那封來信,對嗎?對,那我會覺得如果是這樣的話,那選手跟協會之間的溝通顯然是\n\n15\n00:06:10,938 --> 00:06:11,079\n主席\n\n16\n00:06:25,163 --> 00:06:26,844\n我相信院長講到這邊應該就是\n\n17\n00:06:45,353 --> 00:07:09,105\n可以想像可是院長可能很好奇為什麼我在總質詢的時候講一個這麼小的事情是因為其實我們還有女足公會的陳情那女足公會跟協會這邊是因為協會要他們簽了一個不合適的合約甚至告訴他們如果你們不簽這個合約你們後續集訓的費用是會沒有的甚至要他們讓渡包含肖像權的事情又是發生跟往昔很類似的事情我們再往下看\n\n18\n00:07:11,002 --> 00:07:35,637\n還有這個包含籃球國家隊的部分也發生了類似類似的事情所以我想要問部長跟院長讓我們來看一下籃球隊的國家隊長他在比賽完後他也在臉書上寫了一篇他自己語重心長其中有一段話他說說實話去國外參加這麼多的國際賽事偶爾會跟其他國家的運動員交流我們真的還有很多地方需要改進跟進步\n\n19\n00:07:36,497 --> 00:07:59,508\n有沒有機會把各項制度規章都訂好讓大家可以更明確知道要怎麼透明的運作這些球隊也就是說我剛剛只是講了網協、足協跟藍協如同剛剛部長說的協會的制度跟協會的數量種類跟必須要整理的工作真的很多很多所以我真的想要拜託我認為陳院長您絕對不會只是看守內閣我們機會在520以前我們就開始進行\n\n20\n00:08:03,950 --> 00:08:24,340\n現在短時間之內就可以做到的體育改革。包括我們今天講的問題,光是這三個協會所發生的很多事情有沒有機會在520以前進行相關的了解跟處理當然需要教育部這邊協助。再來就是針對近年協會的改革讓民眾失望的部分還有選手權益平傳這個問題有沒有機會提供一份\n\n21\n00:08:25,060 --> 00:08:25,120\n這個我可以﹖\n\n22\n00:08:53,780 --> 00:09:09,982\n我可以答應委員,既然這個是需要做很好的改革,所以這個部分我會請教育部來做一個很徹底的檢討的報告,然後我也要來聽他們報告的內容,然後看看怎麼樣來做進一步的改進。\n\n23\n00:09:10,503 --> 00:09:11,183\n拜託院長與教育部長。\n\n24\n00:09:31,292 --> 00:09:58,566\n其中有一個是適應體育的部分因為我們聽到特教生的學生特教生的家長還有老師他們都很清楚知道特教生所需要的是適應體育可是不管是特教老師或者是一般老師對於如何協助特教生進行適應體育其實雖然體育署有相關的事辦計畫但其實在現場的實施都還不夠貼近第一線的需求甚至量能是不足的那這個部分我們是不是就快速的請教一部有沒有機會\n\n25\n00:09:59,646 --> 00:10:20,627\n現在開始來盤點或者是規劃相關的計畫讓這件事情可以走得更快因為部長你一定知道這幾年來關於特教生的數字一直上升所以適應體育這件事情可能過往我們以為是給少數的特教生但特教生越來越多的情況下我相信這件事情已經非常非常急迫這邊是不是可以請部長回應一下\n\n26\n00:10:22,112 --> 00:10:50,155\n謝謝委員我想這次特教法經過14年在修委員在上一屆也充分的參與了解確實是一個比較全面性的將我們面對特教生的所相關的這些議題因為目前也都幾個執法都正在做最後的這個討論跟確定看看委員提到對於適應體育的這部分過去體育署在這上面是有一些規劃但是我想要落實到\n\n27\n00:10:51,596 --> 00:10:54,378\n好,這個部分除了我剛剛講的適應體育之外今天早上我們辦公室也跟范雲委員還有陳俊文開了一個記者會\n\n28\n00:11:19,631 --> 00:11:38,077\n有一個宜蘭的學校他用了沒有正式教師資格也沒有特教老師專業的代理老師去現場去幼教的現場對待特教的幼童有非常不當的體罰跟管教的方法那我們可以發現有沒有可能是因為相關的待遇不夠好\n\n29\n00:12:26,343 --> 00:12:31,387\n我先還是跟委員補充報告一下因為這個部分我也要跟委員報告也要謝謝院長我想對於特教法這次的修當中特教的助理員這一塊因為\n\n30\n00:12:53,762 --> 00:12:53,942\n﹚陳培瑜\n\n31\n00:13:47,231 --> 00:14:11,420\n主臉也就希望能夠在這方面,因為特教老師、特教的孩子真的是特別辛苦,所以我想這方面我們就積極討論,好嗎?您剛剛說的我都認同,所以我剛剛只是說有沒有機會全國一致,我們要繼續討論跟努力喔。接下來營養午餐的部分,我想部長一定都知道我一直一直在跟您討論營養午餐,我們也很高興看到部長您在之前開記者會承諾,那我們就是幫部長整理了\n\n32\n00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:37,776\n我們在還沒有看到行政院的版本之前我們持續協助整理問題那我們就不讓部長回答因為時間有限但是我就分享了10個我們看到很大很大的問題第一個專法適用範圍到底有沒有包含幼兒園級高中職還有跨部會合作的部分因為有沒有可能食材是跟農業部有關衛生管理跟衛福部有關可是我們在食農教育法裡面已經實施的食農教育法裡面看到一個很重要的問題當他跨部會的時候有沒有\n\n33\n00:14:38,476 --> 00:14:38,616\n﹚陳培瑜\n\n34\n00:15:06,670 --> 00:15:06,750\n接下來﹖\n\n35\n00:16:07,962 --> 00:16:07,982\n謝謝陳委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6632\t26239\t有請行政院長,謝謝。麻煩再請陳院長備詢。還有教育部長,謝謝。麻煩請教育部部長備詢。兩位院長很不好意思因為我確診,所以我要戴著口罩。沒關係,多多保重。陳委員午安,多多保重,然後恭喜你再繼續擔任立委。\n32869\t57786\t關於這個部分我們今天一直以來我們其實都跟教育部一直在討論關於體育改革的部分但是體育改革題目真的非常龐大又複雜那我們今天只選幾個比較重要的事情希望教育部搭配行政院的高度來解決今天我們所說的一些小小的問題但是非常有機會從這些小小的問題上來看到政府的決心\n59427\t86122\t好第一個我個人非常認同賴清德在當選總統之後他告訴我他告訴大家民進黨要當改革第一個品牌那這第一名的品牌是什麼意思我想先請部長跟院長看一下在選舉之前我們看到體育署有出了一個這個list說體育政策大盤點也就是說在這八年當中有非常多體育改革已經積極在進行中但是這些改革裡面我們卻看不到一個很重要的東西就是單項協會的改革\n87483\t88423\t謝謝委員關心,我也跟委員報告,其實蔡總統在第一任開始的時候,其實\n117659\t140013\t國民體育法當中非常重大的改變就是希望對單項協會那麼這一方面也是當時在國體法修法裡面的一個重點那當然曾如雯說這幾年確實有因為我們的單項數量也相當多有70多項而且事情很多那目前應該說多數的這些單項不管他們在這個說選舉\n143254\t145255\t在這個照片不知道院長你有沒有印象?\n168326\t193591\t臺威斯盃那這個比賽呢其實我也到現場去看了我必須要說但是在這個比賽前呢出了一些事情其實當時我們在12月的時候我們在教育文化委員會就黃國書委員還有陳慶明委員還有我我們透過臨時提案就已經要求體育署要去提醒網協在臺威斯盃關於選手的出場費還有保險費必須要趕快去協商跟討論因為我們聽到都還沒有進展\n194551\t218379\t我們在1月的時候就收到了相關教育部的回函說往前已經跟選手往外溝通但是在比賽前6天在這個頭影片的右半部我們看到了有一個應該是選手的朋友或者是選手的家人他說臺威斯杯已經只剩6天但選手依然沒有聽到任何跟保險費還有票房分潤或是出場費有關的事情\n219724\t239779\t而且還發生更離譜的現象以我過去做文化工作網協他們甚至還製作了相關選手肖像的周邊產品是沒有告訴選手的甚至他們還規劃了簽名會也是沒有告訴選手的但是所有的事情都已經對外對球迷公告於是選手就必須要忍氣吞聲配合網協\n241752\t269102\t那我們知道了這個事情之後我們第一時間去到國手他們練習的場地去跟他們對話那這個對話看起來應該是很平和的一個現場對嗎?我們只是想要聽一聽到底網協還疏漏了哪些事情其實立法院可以透過跟體育署對話去協助選手可是就當我們那一天分享完這張照片在社群媒體上告訴選手請他們不用擔心我們會積極的跟體育署溝通我們馬上就收到另外一封來信\n270865\t290232\t就是我貼出來這個有一個選手的家人就寫信到我們辦公室信箱我想念給院長聽喔他說我們這張照片可不可以從臉書上面拿下來因為他看到他自己的家人就出現在照片當中他的第一個反應是完了他說委員我相信你應該理解臺灣的階級文化跟行政文化\n290672\t290872\t﹚陳培瑜\n319543\t344571\t竟然這件事情是選手的家人感覺到恐懼那院長你也知道我過去一直在做兒童界的人權教育其實我非常非常難過當我看到選手的家人第一時間必須站出來為選手發聲連這樣的照片他們都感到恐懼我先說我當天的處理是我就自己回信同時我也第一時間把照片撤下來可是我要說的是為什麼我們的選手還要擔心\n345151\t370038\t被協會清算、被協會針對,甚至有可能成為相關政治活動下的祭品。這樣真的是我們要給選手的選手人生嗎?我想問一下院長您看到這邊,您有什麼感覺?因為您也到過臺威慈悲現場。看到這樣的臉書我是覺得蠻難過的。尤其是那封來信,對嗎?對,那我會覺得如果是這樣的話,那選手跟協會之間的溝通顯然是\n370938\t371079\t主席\n385163\t386844\t我相信院長講到這邊應該就是\n405353\t429105\t可以想像可是院長可能很好奇為什麼我在總質詢的時候講一個這麼小的事情是因為其實我們還有女足公會的陳情那女足公會跟協會這邊是因為協會要他們簽了一個不合適的合約甚至告訴他們如果你們不簽這個合約你們後續集訓的費用是會沒有的甚至要他們讓渡包含肖像權的事情又是發生跟往昔很類似的事情我們再往下看\n431002\t455637\t還有這個包含籃球國家隊的部分也發生了類似類似的事情所以我想要問部長跟院長讓我們來看一下籃球隊的國家隊長他在比賽完後他也在臉書上寫了一篇他自己語重心長其中有一段話他說說實話去國外參加這麼多的國際賽事偶爾會跟其他國家的運動員交流我們真的還有很多地方需要改進跟進步\n456497\t479508\t有沒有機會把各項制度規章都訂好讓大家可以更明確知道要怎麼透明的運作這些球隊也就是說我剛剛只是講了網協、足協跟藍協如同剛剛部長說的協會的制度跟協會的數量種類跟必須要整理的工作真的很多很多所以我真的想要拜託我認為陳院長您絕對不會只是看守內閣我們機會在520以前我們就開始進行\n483950\t504340\t現在短時間之內就可以做到的體育改革。包括我們今天講的問題,光是這三個協會所發生的很多事情有沒有機會在520以前進行相關的了解跟處理當然需要教育部這邊協助。再來就是針對近年協會的改革讓民眾失望的部分還有選手權益平傳這個問題有沒有機會提供一份\n505060\t505120\t這個我可以﹖\n533780\t549982\t我可以答應委員,既然這個是需要做很好的改革,所以這個部分我會請教育部來做一個很徹底的檢討的報告,然後我也要來聽他們報告的內容,然後看看怎麼樣來做進一步的改進。\n550503\t551183\t拜託院長與教育部長。\n571292\t598566\t其中有一個是適應體育的部分因為我們聽到特教生的學生特教生的家長還有老師他們都很清楚知道特教生所需要的是適應體育可是不管是特教老師或者是一般老師對於如何協助特教生進行適應體育其實雖然體育署有相關的事辦計畫但其實在現場的實施都還不夠貼近第一線的需求甚至量能是不足的那這個部分我們是不是就快速的請教一部有沒有機會\n599646\t620627\t現在開始來盤點或者是規劃相關的計畫讓這件事情可以走得更快因為部長你一定知道這幾年來關於特教生的數字一直上升所以適應體育這件事情可能過往我們以為是給少數的特教生但特教生越來越多的情況下我相信這件事情已經非常非常急迫這邊是不是可以請部長回應一下\n622112\t650155\t謝謝委員我想這次特教法經過14年在修委員在上一屆也充分的參與了解確實是一個比較全面性的將我們面對特教生的所相關的這些議題因為目前也都幾個執法都正在做最後的這個討論跟確定看看委員提到對於適應體育的這部分過去體育署在這上面是有一些規劃但是我想要落實到\n651596\t654378\t好,這個部分除了我剛剛講的適應體育之外今天早上我們辦公室也跟范雲委員還有陳俊文開了一個記者會\n679631\t698077\t有一個宜蘭的學校他用了沒有正式教師資格也沒有特教老師專業的代理老師去現場去幼教的現場對待特教的幼童有非常不當的體罰跟管教的方法那我們可以發現有沒有可能是因為相關的待遇不夠好\n698797\t728797\t﹗\n728797\t746203\t﹗\n746343\t751387\t我先還是跟委員補充報告一下因為這個部分我也要跟委員報告也要謝謝院長我想對於特教法這次的修當中特教的助理員這一塊因為\n773762\t773942\t﹚陳培瑜\n799684\t826715\t﹗\n827231\t851420\t主臉也就希望能夠在這方面,因為特教老師、特教的孩子真的是特別辛苦,所以我想這方面我們就積極討論,好嗎?您剛剛說的我都認同,所以我剛剛只是說有沒有機會全國一致,我們要繼續討論跟努力喔。接下來營養午餐的部分,我想部長一定都知道我一直一直在跟您討論營養午餐,我們也很高興看到部長您在之前開記者會承諾,那我們就是幫部長整理了\n851880\t877776\t我們在還沒有看到行政院的版本之前我們持續協助整理問題那我們就不讓部長回答因為時間有限但是我就分享了10個我們看到很大很大的問題第一個專法適用範圍到底有沒有包含幼兒園級高中職還有跨部會合作的部分因為有沒有可能食材是跟農業部有關衛生管理跟衛福部有關可是我們在食農教育法裡面已經實施的食農教育法裡面看到一個很重要的問題當他跨部會的時候有沒有\n878476\t878616\t﹚陳培瑜\n906670\t906750\t接下來﹖\n967962\t967982\t謝謝陳委員\n","txt":"有請行政院長,謝謝。麻煩再請陳院長備詢。還有教育部長,謝謝。麻煩請教育部部長備詢。兩位院長很不好意思因為我確診,所以我要戴著口罩。沒關係,多多保重。陳委員午安,多多保重,然後恭喜你再繼續擔任立委。\n關於這個部分我們今天一直以來我們其實都跟教育部一直在討論關於體育改革的部分但是體育改革題目真的非常龐大又複雜那我們今天只選幾個比較重要的事情希望教育部搭配行政院的高度來解決今天我們所說的一些小小的問題但是非常有機會從這些小小的問題上來看到政府的決心\n好第一個我個人非常認同賴清德在當選總統之後他告訴我他告訴大家民進黨要當改革第一個品牌那這第一名的品牌是什麼意思我想先請部長跟院長看一下在選舉之前我們看到體育署有出了一個這個list說體育政策大盤點也就是說在這八年當中有非常多體育改革已經積極在進行中但是這些改革裡面我們卻看不到一個很重要的東西就是單項協會的改革\n謝謝委員關心,我也跟委員報告,其實蔡總統在第一任開始的時候,其實\n國民體育法當中非常重大的改變就是希望對單項協會那麼這一方面也是當時在國體法修法裡面的一個重點那當然曾如雯說這幾年確實有因為我們的單項數量也相當多有70多項而且事情很多那目前應該說多數的這些單項不管他們在這個說選舉\n在這個照片不知道院長你有沒有印象?\n臺威斯盃那這個比賽呢其實我也到現場去看了我必須要說但是在這個比賽前呢出了一些事情其實當時我們在12月的時候我們在教育文化委員會就黃國書委員還有陳慶明委員還有我我們透過臨時提案就已經要求體育署要去提醒網協在臺威斯盃關於選手的出場費還有保險費必須要趕快去協商跟討論因為我們聽到都還沒有進展\n我們在1月的時候就收到了相關教育部的回函說往前已經跟選手往外溝通但是在比賽前6天在這個頭影片的右半部我們看到了有一個應該是選手的朋友或者是選手的家人他說臺威斯杯已經只剩6天但選手依然沒有聽到任何跟保險費還有票房分潤或是出場費有關的事情\n而且還發生更離譜的現象以我過去做文化工作網協他們甚至還製作了相關選手肖像的周邊產品是沒有告訴選手的甚至他們還規劃了簽名會也是沒有告訴選手的但是所有的事情都已經對外對球迷公告於是選手就必須要忍氣吞聲配合網協\n那我們知道了這個事情之後我們第一時間去到國手他們練習的場地去跟他們對話那這個對話看起來應該是很平和的一個現場對嗎?我們只是想要聽一聽到底網協還疏漏了哪些事情其實立法院可以透過跟體育署對話去協助選手可是就當我們那一天分享完這張照片在社群媒體上告訴選手請他們不用擔心我們會積極的跟體育署溝通我們馬上就收到另外一封來信\n就是我貼出來這個有一個選手的家人就寫信到我們辦公室信箱我想念給院長聽喔他說我們這張照片可不可以從臉書上面拿下來因為他看到他自己的家人就出現在照片當中他的第一個反應是完了他說委員我相信你應該理解臺灣的階級文化跟行政文化\n﹚陳培瑜\n竟然這件事情是選手的家人感覺到恐懼那院長你也知道我過去一直在做兒童界的人權教育其實我非常非常難過當我看到選手的家人第一時間必須站出來為選手發聲連這樣的照片他們都感到恐懼我先說我當天的處理是我就自己回信同時我也第一時間把照片撤下來可是我要說的是為什麼我們的選手還要擔心\n被協會清算、被協會針對,甚至有可能成為相關政治活動下的祭品。這樣真的是我們要給選手的選手人生嗎?我想問一下院長您看到這邊,您有什麼感覺?因為您也到過臺威慈悲現場。看到這樣的臉書我是覺得蠻難過的。尤其是那封來信,對嗎?對,那我會覺得如果是這樣的話,那選手跟協會之間的溝通顯然是\n主席\n我相信院長講到這邊應該就是\n可以想像可是院長可能很好奇為什麼我在總質詢的時候講一個這麼小的事情是因為其實我們還有女足公會的陳情那女足公會跟協會這邊是因為協會要他們簽了一個不合適的合約甚至告訴他們如果你們不簽這個合約你們後續集訓的費用是會沒有的甚至要他們讓渡包含肖像權的事情又是發生跟往昔很類似的事情我們再往下看\n還有這個包含籃球國家隊的部分也發生了類似類似的事情所以我想要問部長跟院長讓我們來看一下籃球隊的國家隊長他在比賽完後他也在臉書上寫了一篇他自己語重心長其中有一段話他說說實話去國外參加這麼多的國際賽事偶爾會跟其他國家的運動員交流我們真的還有很多地方需要改進跟進步\n有沒有機會把各項制度規章都訂好讓大家可以更明確知道要怎麼透明的運作這些球隊也就是說我剛剛只是講了網協、足協跟藍協如同剛剛部長說的協會的制度跟協會的數量種類跟必須要整理的工作真的很多很多所以我真的想要拜託我認為陳院長您絕對不會只是看守內閣我們機會在520以前我們就開始進行\n現在短時間之內就可以做到的體育改革。包括我們今天講的問題,光是這三個協會所發生的很多事情有沒有機會在520以前進行相關的了解跟處理當然需要教育部這邊協助。再來就是針對近年協會的改革讓民眾失望的部分還有選手權益平傳這個問題有沒有機會提供一份\n這個我可以﹖\n我可以答應委員,既然這個是需要做很好的改革,所以這個部分我會請教育部來做一個很徹底的檢討的報告,然後我也要來聽他們報告的內容,然後看看怎麼樣來做進一步的改進。\n拜託院長與教育部長。\n其中有一個是適應體育的部分因為我們聽到特教生的學生特教生的家長還有老師他們都很清楚知道特教生所需要的是適應體育可是不管是特教老師或者是一般老師對於如何協助特教生進行適應體育其實雖然體育署有相關的事辦計畫但其實在現場的實施都還不夠貼近第一線的需求甚至量能是不足的那這個部分我們是不是就快速的請教一部有沒有機會\n現在開始來盤點或者是規劃相關的計畫讓這件事情可以走得更快因為部長你一定知道這幾年來關於特教生的數字一直上升所以適應體育這件事情可能過往我們以為是給少數的特教生但特教生越來越多的情況下我相信這件事情已經非常非常急迫這邊是不是可以請部長回應一下\n謝謝委員我想這次特教法經過14年在修委員在上一屆也充分的參與了解確實是一個比較全面性的將我們面對特教生的所相關的這些議題因為目前也都幾個執法都正在做最後的這個討論跟確定看看委員提到對於適應體育的這部分過去體育署在這上面是有一些規劃但是我想要落實到\n好,這個部分除了我剛剛講的適應體育之外今天早上我們辦公室也跟范雲委員還有陳俊文開了一個記者會\n有一個宜蘭的學校他用了沒有正式教師資格也沒有特教老師專業的代理老師去現場去幼教的現場對待特教的幼童有非常不當的體罰跟管教的方法那我們可以發現有沒有可能是因為相關的待遇不夠好\n﹗\n﹗\n我先還是跟委員補充報告一下因為這個部分我也要跟委員報告也要謝謝院長我想對於特教法這次的修當中特教的助理員這一塊因為\n﹚陳培瑜\n﹗\n主臉也就希望能夠在這方面,因為特教老師、特教的孩子真的是特別辛苦,所以我想這方面我們就積極討論,好嗎?您剛剛說的我都認同,所以我剛剛只是說有沒有機會全國一致,我們要繼續討論跟努力喔。接下來營養午餐的部分,我想部長一定都知道我一直一直在跟您討論營養午餐,我們也很高興看到部長您在之前開記者會承諾,那我們就是幫部長整理了\n我們在還沒有看到行政院的版本之前我們持續協助整理問題那我們就不讓部長回答因為時間有限但是我就分享了10個我們看到很大很大的問題第一個專法適用範圍到底有沒有包含幼兒園級高中職還有跨部會合作的部分因為有沒有可能食材是跟農業部有關衛生管理跟衛福部有關可是我們在食農教育法裡面已經實施的食農教育法裡面看到一個很重要的問題當他跨部會的時候有沒有\n﹚陳培瑜\n接下來﹖\n謝謝陳委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.632 --> 00:26.239\n有請行政院長,謝謝。麻煩再請陳院長備詢。還有教育部長,謝謝。麻煩請教育部部長備詢。兩位院長很不好意思因為我確診,所以我要戴著口罩。沒關係,多多保重。陳委員午安,多多保重,然後恭喜你再繼續擔任立委。\n\n00:32.869 --> 00:57.786\n關於這個部分我們今天一直以來我們其實都跟教育部一直在討論關於體育改革的部分但是體育改革題目真的非常龐大又複雜那我們今天只選幾個比較重要的事情希望教育部搭配行政院的高度來解決今天我們所說的一些小小的問題但是非常有機會從這些小小的問題上來看到政府的決心\n\n00:59.427 --> 01:26.122\n好第一個我個人非常認同賴清德在當選總統之後他告訴我他告訴大家民進黨要當改革第一個品牌那這第一名的品牌是什麼意思我想先請部長跟院長看一下在選舉之前我們看到體育署有出了一個這個list說體育政策大盤點也就是說在這八年當中有非常多體育改革已經積極在進行中但是這些改革裡面我們卻看不到一個很重要的東西就是單項協會的改革\n\n01:27.483 --> 01:28.423\n謝謝委員關心,我也跟委員報告,其實蔡總統在第一任開始的時候,其實\n\n01:57.659 --> 02:20.013\n國民體育法當中非常重大的改變就是希望對單項協會那麼這一方面也是當時在國體法修法裡面的一個重點那當然曾如雯說這幾年確實有因為我們的單項數量也相當多有70多項而且事情很多那目前應該說多數的這些單項不管他們在這個說選舉\n\n02:23.254 --> 02:25.255\n在這個照片不知道院長你有沒有印象?\n\n02:48.326 --> 03:13.591\n臺威斯盃那這個比賽呢其實我也到現場去看了我必須要說但是在這個比賽前呢出了一些事情其實當時我們在12月的時候我們在教育文化委員會就黃國書委員還有陳慶明委員還有我我們透過臨時提案就已經要求體育署要去提醒網協在臺威斯盃關於選手的出場費還有保險費必須要趕快去協商跟討論因為我們聽到都還沒有進展\n\n03:14.551 --> 03:38.379\n我們在1月的時候就收到了相關教育部的回函說往前已經跟選手往外溝通但是在比賽前6天在這個頭影片的右半部我們看到了有一個應該是選手的朋友或者是選手的家人他說臺威斯杯已經只剩6天但選手依然沒有聽到任何跟保險費還有票房分潤或是出場費有關的事情\n\n03:39.724 --> 03:59.779\n而且還發生更離譜的現象以我過去做文化工作網協他們甚至還製作了相關選手肖像的周邊產品是沒有告訴選手的甚至他們還規劃了簽名會也是沒有告訴選手的但是所有的事情都已經對外對球迷公告於是選手就必須要忍氣吞聲配合網協\n\n04:01.752 --> 04:29.102\n那我們知道了這個事情之後我們第一時間去到國手他們練習的場地去跟他們對話那這個對話看起來應該是很平和的一個現場對嗎?我們只是想要聽一聽到底網協還疏漏了哪些事情其實立法院可以透過跟體育署對話去協助選手可是就當我們那一天分享完這張照片在社群媒體上告訴選手請他們不用擔心我們會積極的跟體育署溝通我們馬上就收到另外一封來信\n\n04:30.865 --> 04:50.232\n就是我貼出來這個有一個選手的家人就寫信到我們辦公室信箱我想念給院長聽喔他說我們這張照片可不可以從臉書上面拿下來因為他看到他自己的家人就出現在照片當中他的第一個反應是完了他說委員我相信你應該理解臺灣的階級文化跟行政文化\n\n04:50.672 --> 04:50.872\n﹚陳培瑜\n\n05:19.543 --> 05:44.571\n竟然這件事情是選手的家人感覺到恐懼那院長你也知道我過去一直在做兒童界的人權教育其實我非常非常難過當我看到選手的家人第一時間必須站出來為選手發聲連這樣的照片他們都感到恐懼我先說我當天的處理是我就自己回信同時我也第一時間把照片撤下來可是我要說的是為什麼我們的選手還要擔心\n\n05:45.151 --> 06:10.038\n被協會清算、被協會針對,甚至有可能成為相關政治活動下的祭品。這樣真的是我們要給選手的選手人生嗎?我想問一下院長您看到這邊,您有什麼感覺?因為您也到過臺威慈悲現場。看到這樣的臉書我是覺得蠻難過的。尤其是那封來信,對嗎?對,那我會覺得如果是這樣的話,那選手跟協會之間的溝通顯然是\n\n06:10.938 --> 06:11.079\n主席\n\n06:25.163 --> 06:26.844\n我相信院長講到這邊應該就是\n\n06:45.353 --> 07:09.105\n可以想像可是院長可能很好奇為什麼我在總質詢的時候講一個這麼小的事情是因為其實我們還有女足公會的陳情那女足公會跟協會這邊是因為協會要他們簽了一個不合適的合約甚至告訴他們如果你們不簽這個合約你們後續集訓的費用是會沒有的甚至要他們讓渡包含肖像權的事情又是發生跟往昔很類似的事情我們再往下看\n\n07:11.002 --> 07:35.637\n還有這個包含籃球國家隊的部分也發生了類似類似的事情所以我想要問部長跟院長讓我們來看一下籃球隊的國家隊長他在比賽完後他也在臉書上寫了一篇他自己語重心長其中有一段話他說說實話去國外參加這麼多的國際賽事偶爾會跟其他國家的運動員交流我們真的還有很多地方需要改進跟進步\n\n07:36.497 --> 07:59.508\n有沒有機會把各項制度規章都訂好讓大家可以更明確知道要怎麼透明的運作這些球隊也就是說我剛剛只是講了網協、足協跟藍協如同剛剛部長說的協會的制度跟協會的數量種類跟必須要整理的工作真的很多很多所以我真的想要拜託我認為陳院長您絕對不會只是看守內閣我們機會在520以前我們就開始進行\n\n08:03.950 --> 08:24.340\n現在短時間之內就可以做到的體育改革。包括我們今天講的問題,光是這三個協會所發生的很多事情有沒有機會在520以前進行相關的了解跟處理當然需要教育部這邊協助。再來就是針對近年協會的改革讓民眾失望的部分還有選手權益平傳這個問題有沒有機會提供一份\n\n08:25.060 --> 08:25.120\n這個我可以﹖\n\n08:53.780 --> 09:09.982\n我可以答應委員,既然這個是需要做很好的改革,所以這個部分我會請教育部來做一個很徹底的檢討的報告,然後我也要來聽他們報告的內容,然後看看怎麼樣來做進一步的改進。\n\n09:10.503 --> 09:11.183\n拜託院長與教育部長。\n\n09:31.292 --> 09:58.566\n其中有一個是適應體育的部分因為我們聽到特教生的學生特教生的家長還有老師他們都很清楚知道特教生所需要的是適應體育可是不管是特教老師或者是一般老師對於如何協助特教生進行適應體育其實雖然體育署有相關的事辦計畫但其實在現場的實施都還不夠貼近第一線的需求甚至量能是不足的那這個部分我們是不是就快速的請教一部有沒有機會\n\n09:59.646 --> 10:20.627\n現在開始來盤點或者是規劃相關的計畫讓這件事情可以走得更快因為部長你一定知道這幾年來關於特教生的數字一直上升所以適應體育這件事情可能過往我們以為是給少數的特教生但特教生越來越多的情況下我相信這件事情已經非常非常急迫這邊是不是可以請部長回應一下\n\n10:22.112 --> 10:50.155\n謝謝委員我想這次特教法經過14年在修委員在上一屆也充分的參與了解確實是一個比較全面性的將我們面對特教生的所相關的這些議題因為目前也都幾個執法都正在做最後的這個討論跟確定看看委員提到對於適應體育的這部分過去體育署在這上面是有一些規劃但是我想要落實到\n\n10:51.596 --> 10:54.378\n好,這個部分除了我剛剛講的適應體育之外今天早上我們辦公室也跟范雲委員還有陳俊文開了一個記者會\n\n11:19.631 --> 11:38.077\n有一個宜蘭的學校他用了沒有正式教師資格也沒有特教老師專業的代理老師去現場去幼教的現場對待特教的幼童有非常不當的體罰跟管教的方法那我們可以發現有沒有可能是因為相關的待遇不夠好\n\n12:26.343 --> 12:31.387\n我先還是跟委員補充報告一下因為這個部分我也要跟委員報告也要謝謝院長我想對於特教法這次的修當中特教的助理員這一塊因為\n\n12:53.762 --> 12:53.942\n﹚陳培瑜\n\n13:47.231 --> 14:11.420\n主臉也就希望能夠在這方面,因為特教老師、特教的孩子真的是特別辛苦,所以我想這方面我們就積極討論,好嗎?您剛剛說的我都認同,所以我剛剛只是說有沒有機會全國一致,我們要繼續討論跟努力喔。接下來營養午餐的部分,我想部長一定都知道我一直一直在跟您討論營養午餐,我們也很高興看到部長您在之前開記者會承諾,那我們就是幫部長整理了\n\n14:11.880 --> 14:37.776\n我們在還沒有看到行政院的版本之前我們持續協助整理問題那我們就不讓部長回答因為時間有限但是我就分享了10個我們看到很大很大的問題第一個專法適用範圍到底有沒有包含幼兒園級高中職還有跨部會合作的部分因為有沒有可能食材是跟農業部有關衛生管理跟衛福部有關可是我們在食農教育法裡面已經實施的食農教育法裡面看到一個很重要的問題當他跨部會的時候有沒有\n\n14:38.476 --> 14:38.616\n﹚陳培瑜\n\n15:06.670 --> 15:06.750\n接下來﹖\n\n16:07.962 --> 16:07.982\n謝謝陳委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":6.632,"end":26.239,"text":"有請行政院長,謝謝。麻煩再請陳院長備詢。還有教育部長,謝謝。麻煩請教育部部長備詢。兩位院長很不好意思因為我確診,所以我要戴著口罩。沒關係,多多保重。陳委員午安,多多保重,然後恭喜你再繼續擔任立委。"},{"start":32.869,"end":57.786,"text":"關於這個部分我們今天一直以來我們其實都跟教育部一直在討論關於體育改革的部分但是體育改革題目真的非常龐大又複雜那我們今天只選幾個比較重要的事情希望教育部搭配行政院的高度來解決今天我們所說的一些小小的問題但是非常有機會從這些小小的問題上來看到政府的決心"},{"start":59.427,"end":86.122,"text":"好第一個我個人非常認同賴清德在當選總統之後他告訴我他告訴大家民進黨要當改革第一個品牌那這第一名的品牌是什麼意思我想先請部長跟院長看一下在選舉之前我們看到體育署有出了一個這個list說體育政策大盤點也就是說在這八年當中有非常多體育改革已經積極在進行中但是這些改革裡面我們卻看不到一個很重要的東西就是單項協會的改革"},{"start":87.483,"end":88.423,"text":"謝謝委員關心,我也跟委員報告,其實蔡總統在第一任開始的時候,其實"},{"start":117.659,"end":140.013,"text":"國民體育法當中非常重大的改變就是希望對單項協會那麼這一方面也是當時在國體法修法裡面的一個重點那當然曾如雯說這幾年確實有因為我們的單項數量也相當多有70多項而且事情很多那目前應該說多數的這些單項不管他們在這個說選舉"},{"start":143.254,"end":145.255,"text":"在這個照片不知道院長你有沒有印象?"},{"start":168.326,"end":193.591,"text":"臺威斯盃那這個比賽呢其實我也到現場去看了我必須要說但是在這個比賽前呢出了一些事情其實當時我們在12月的時候我們在教育文化委員會就黃國書委員還有陳慶明委員還有我我們透過臨時提案就已經要求體育署要去提醒網協在臺威斯盃關於選手的出場費還有保險費必須要趕快去協商跟討論因為我們聽到都還沒有進展"},{"start":194.551,"end":218.379,"text":"我們在1月的時候就收到了相關教育部的回函說往前已經跟選手往外溝通但是在比賽前6天在這個頭影片的右半部我們看到了有一個應該是選手的朋友或者是選手的家人他說臺威斯杯已經只剩6天但選手依然沒有聽到任何跟保險費還有票房分潤或是出場費有關的事情"},{"start":219.724,"end":239.779,"text":"而且還發生更離譜的現象以我過去做文化工作網協他們甚至還製作了相關選手肖像的周邊產品是沒有告訴選手的甚至他們還規劃了簽名會也是沒有告訴選手的但是所有的事情都已經對外對球迷公告於是選手就必須要忍氣吞聲配合網協"},{"start":241.752,"end":269.102,"text":"那我們知道了這個事情之後我們第一時間去到國手他們練習的場地去跟他們對話那這個對話看起來應該是很平和的一個現場對嗎?我們只是想要聽一聽到底網協還疏漏了哪些事情其實立法院可以透過跟體育署對話去協助選手可是就當我們那一天分享完這張照片在社群媒體上告訴選手請他們不用擔心我們會積極的跟體育署溝通我們馬上就收到另外一封來信"},{"start":270.865,"end":290.232,"text":"就是我貼出來這個有一個選手的家人就寫信到我們辦公室信箱我想念給院長聽喔他說我們這張照片可不可以從臉書上面拿下來因為他看到他自己的家人就出現在照片當中他的第一個反應是完了他說委員我相信你應該理解臺灣的階級文化跟行政文化"},{"start":290.672,"end":290.872,"text":"﹚陳培瑜"},{"start":319.543,"end":344.571,"text":"竟然這件事情是選手的家人感覺到恐懼那院長你也知道我過去一直在做兒童界的人權教育其實我非常非常難過當我看到選手的家人第一時間必須站出來為選手發聲連這樣的照片他們都感到恐懼我先說我當天的處理是我就自己回信同時我也第一時間把照片撤下來可是我要說的是為什麼我們的選手還要擔心"},{"start":345.151,"end":370.038,"text":"被協會清算、被協會針對,甚至有可能成為相關政治活動下的祭品。這樣真的是我們要給選手的選手人生嗎?我想問一下院長您看到這邊,您有什麼感覺?因為您也到過臺威慈悲現場。看到這樣的臉書我是覺得蠻難過的。尤其是那封來信,對嗎?對,那我會覺得如果是這樣的話,那選手跟協會之間的溝通顯然是"},{"start":370.938,"end":371.079,"text":"主席"},{"start":385.163,"end":386.844,"text":"我相信院長講到這邊應該就是"},{"start":405.353,"end":429.105,"text":"可以想像可是院長可能很好奇為什麼我在總質詢的時候講一個這麼小的事情是因為其實我們還有女足公會的陳情那女足公會跟協會這邊是因為協會要他們簽了一個不合適的合約甚至告訴他們如果你們不簽這個合約你們後續集訓的費用是會沒有的甚至要他們讓渡包含肖像權的事情又是發生跟往昔很類似的事情我們再往下看"},{"start":431.002,"end":455.637,"text":"還有這個包含籃球國家隊的部分也發生了類似類似的事情所以我想要問部長跟院長讓我們來看一下籃球隊的國家隊長他在比賽完後他也在臉書上寫了一篇他自己語重心長其中有一段話他說說實話去國外參加這麼多的國際賽事偶爾會跟其他國家的運動員交流我們真的還有很多地方需要改進跟進步"},{"start":456.497,"end":479.508,"text":"有沒有機會把各項制度規章都訂好讓大家可以更明確知道要怎麼透明的運作這些球隊也就是說我剛剛只是講了網協、足協跟藍協如同剛剛部長說的協會的制度跟協會的數量種類跟必須要整理的工作真的很多很多所以我真的想要拜託我認為陳院長您絕對不會只是看守內閣我們機會在520以前我們就開始進行"},{"start":483.95,"end":504.34,"text":"現在短時間之內就可以做到的體育改革。包括我們今天講的問題,光是這三個協會所發生的很多事情有沒有機會在520以前進行相關的了解跟處理當然需要教育部這邊協助。再來就是針對近年協會的改革讓民眾失望的部分還有選手權益平傳這個問題有沒有機會提供一份"},{"start":505.06,"end":505.12,"text":"這個我可以﹖"},{"start":533.78,"end":549.982,"text":"我可以答應委員,既然這個是需要做很好的改革,所以這個部分我會請教育部來做一個很徹底的檢討的報告,然後我也要來聽他們報告的內容,然後看看怎麼樣來做進一步的改進。"},{"start":550.503,"end":551.183,"text":"拜託院長與教育部長。"},{"start":571.292,"end":598.566,"text":"其中有一個是適應體育的部分因為我們聽到特教生的學生特教生的家長還有老師他們都很清楚知道特教生所需要的是適應體育可是不管是特教老師或者是一般老師對於如何協助特教生進行適應體育其實雖然體育署有相關的事辦計畫但其實在現場的實施都還不夠貼近第一線的需求甚至量能是不足的那這個部分我們是不是就快速的請教一部有沒有機會"},{"start":599.646,"end":620.627,"text":"現在開始來盤點或者是規劃相關的計畫讓這件事情可以走得更快因為部長你一定知道這幾年來關於特教生的數字一直上升所以適應體育這件事情可能過往我們以為是給少數的特教生但特教生越來越多的情況下我相信這件事情已經非常非常急迫這邊是不是可以請部長回應一下"},{"start":622.112,"end":650.155,"text":"謝謝委員我想這次特教法經過14年在修委員在上一屆也充分的參與了解確實是一個比較全面性的將我們面對特教生的所相關的這些議題因為目前也都幾個執法都正在做最後的這個討論跟確定看看委員提到對於適應體育的這部分過去體育署在這上面是有一些規劃但是我想要落實到"},{"start":651.596,"end":654.378,"text":"好,這個部分除了我剛剛講的適應體育之外今天早上我們辦公室也跟范雲委員還有陳俊文開了一個記者會"},{"start":679.631,"end":698.077,"text":"有一個宜蘭的學校他用了沒有正式教師資格也沒有特教老師專業的代理老師去現場去幼教的現場對待特教的幼童有非常不當的體罰跟管教的方法那我們可以發現有沒有可能是因為相關的待遇不夠好"},{"start":698.797,"end":728.797,"text":"﹗"},{"start":728.797,"end":746.203,"text":"﹗"},{"start":746.343,"end":751.387,"text":"我先還是跟委員補充報告一下因為這個部分我也要跟委員報告也要謝謝院長我想對於特教法這次的修當中特教的助理員這一塊因為"},{"start":773.762,"end":773.942,"text":"﹚陳培瑜"},{"start":799.684,"end":826.715,"text":"﹗"},{"start":827.231,"end":851.42,"text":"主臉也就希望能夠在這方面,因為特教老師、特教的孩子真的是特別辛苦,所以我想這方面我們就積極討論,好嗎?您剛剛說的我都認同,所以我剛剛只是說有沒有機會全國一致,我們要繼續討論跟努力喔。接下來營養午餐的部分,我想部長一定都知道我一直一直在跟您討論營養午餐,我們也很高興看到部長您在之前開記者會承諾,那我們就是幫部長整理了"},{"start":851.88,"end":877.776,"text":"我們在還沒有看到行政院的版本之前我們持續協助整理問題那我們就不讓部長回答因為時間有限但是我就分享了10個我們看到很大很大的問題第一個專法適用範圍到底有沒有包含幼兒園級高中職還有跨部會合作的部分因為有沒有可能食材是跟農業部有關衛生管理跟衛福部有關可是我們在食農教育法裡面已經實施的食農教育法裡面看到一個很重要的問題當他跨部會的時候有沒有"},{"start":878.476,"end":878.616,"text":"﹚陳培瑜"},{"start":906.67,"end":906.75,"text":"接下來﹖"},{"start":967.962,"end":967.982,"text":"謝謝陳委員"}]}}}}