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，現在已經確定3月25號，原來足協跟我們隊員的契約會取消掉，就會重新……"],["陳委員培瑜：為什麼要等到3月25號？"],["潘部長文忠：集訓。"],["陳委員培瑜：集訓？"],["潘部長文忠：對！對！"],["陳委員培瑜：可是這個合約本來就不應該這樣簽啊！因為錢是國訓中心給的。"],["潘部長文忠：是！委員，因為這個不是很合理，而且我想協會跟運動員之間的溝通真的很不足，所以方向就會跟委員報告這樣……"],["陳委員培瑜：好，所以這個部分我們就請……"],["潘部長文忠：至於委員剛才提到的，我也會請署裡頭未來在這方面要積極協助，讓協會跟運動員之間做最好也合理的溝通。"],["陳委員培瑜：好，我剛剛說研議的部分，謝謝召委給我30秒。最後這個研議的部分，我想請教育部3個月內給我們一份相關的討論報告，以後要簽訂相關合約的時候，如何保障球員的權益，而不是讓協會單方面發聲，然後體育署作為背書單位，這個我要等到教育部的報告，3個月內可以嗎？"],["潘部長文忠：可以。"],["陳委員培瑜：好，謝謝部長、謝謝署長、謝謝召委。"],["潘部長文忠：好，謝謝委員。"],["主席：我們謝謝陳委員。","接下來我們請第2位的洪孟楷洪委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":322,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-22-2","speakers":["柯志恩","陳培瑜","洪孟楷","吳沛憶","萬美玲","范雲","葛如鈞","郭昱晴","羅廷瑋","陳秀寳","林倩綺","林宜瑾","吳春城","張雅琳","鄭天財Sra 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00:01:33,320\n：陳培瑜\n\n6\n00:01:52,066 --> 00:01:52,826\n在102年才會有那麼樣的重本討論\n\n7\n00:02:19,377 --> 00:02:23,538\n對於現在這個新制的家長他們認為他們是被排除在外的我覺得是這個被排除在外的心情我們必須要考慮到當然我們也不能全面都只有站在家長這一邊我們如何考慮到這個教育的公共性跟這個公平性還有這個資源分配的適當性當然還有政府預算的問題\n\n8\n00:02:48,766 --> 00:02:49,166\n最近有家長在反映這個議題\n\n9\n00:03:09,534 --> 00:03:25,228\n那也隔了10多年我想這部分教育部會來跟地方政府還有相關家長團體跟學校這方面在進行這些意見上的研商那相關的研商報告是不是就可以再交給所有教育文化委員會的委員我相信所有教育文化委員會應該都會收到類似的澄清跟相關的意見好嗎我們儘快來做一些研商那這方面整體的評估\n\n10\n00:03:33,695 --> 00:03:37,716\n我相信這個還需要一段很長時間的評估好謝謝第二個問題就最近有發生這個特教紳士的衝突事件我想相關的新聞我就不再贅述但是我想要談的另外一個比較大的問題其實在去年特教法修完之後普特融合的現象普特融合的情況在教育現場我們都知道是教育的主流\n\n11\n00:03:56,403 --> 00:04:24,156\n可是我們發現最大的問題是老師普生的老師他們其實需要很多特教資源的協助可是我們也知道在普特融合的現場特教老師其實光是照顧特教學生已經疲於奔命甚且我們知道有非常多縣市他們連特教助理員都不夠正式的特教老師也不夠那在這個事情之後我們先不去管事情的個案我們來看通案教育部這邊有沒有任何想法來協助普特融合的教育現場普師\n\n12\n00:04:25,797 --> 00:04:48,433\n還有特師如何合作還有普施所需要的特教相關知識跟資源因為像我過去自己修教育學分其實特教並不是規定必修可是當我進入教育現場之後我面對這個普特融合的現場我如何協助我的學生甚至協助我自己教學是順利的這個部分是不是也請部長簡單的回應一下因為我相信後續還有非常多事情需要我們再往下加強去處理\n\n13\n00:04:49,414 --> 00:04:51,836\n謝謝委員我想普特融合這也是一個國際世界的趨勢那對於讓特教孩子能夠盡量也能夠在常態的環境裡面做學習或生活但在這個過程確實挑戰很大所以在這一次特教法的修法裡面教育部這邊也特別著力那能夠對於\n\n14\n00:05:10,333 --> 00:05:10,453\n﹚培瑜\n\n15\n00:05:31,858 --> 00:05:31,938\n：陳培瑜\n\n16\n00:05:51,792 --> 00:06:09,930\n﹚特教助理員每年400位﹚4年有1600位﹚那也增加部分時間的時數那當然為了要能夠留住更多網絡﹚更多這些特教助理員能夠願意留在教育現場﹚也會在薪資待遇不管是薪資或部分終點也會來給予這方面的\n\n17\n00:06:11,732 --> 00:06:12,213\n政府應負起支持責任?\n\n18\n00:06:27,874 --> 00:06:28,214\n總統我再跟委員補充一下\n\n19\n00:06:54,608 --> 00:07:22,737\n因為各縣市的差異其實這存在的現象是應該要來持續的做否則有的兩萬多有的到三萬多我有講待遇所以這一次目前我們也正在依照剛才所支持的這四年計畫也來制定相關的要點跟實施的手冊就是跟縣市開了兩次會議啦這個目的就是希望不管特教生分布在哪個縣市特教老師在哪個特教助理人在哪個地方應該要\n\n20\n00:07:23,697 --> 00:07:45,025\n一致的支持：所以這個方面也會朝全國一致的方式來努力這個我們也會持續追蹤那也請教育部跟我們辦公室持續保持討論還有前幾天我跟范雲委員還有陳俊榮委員開了一個記者會關於宜蘭特交班我不知道部長您的幕僚有沒有跟你報告這件事情但是我現在就來跟部長說後來在開完記者會之後呢宜蘭\n\n21\n00:07:45,745 --> 00:08:02,948\n他們快速回應了他們把非屬情節重大對不起非屬情節重大改成情節重大但是仍然維持停聘一年也就是說他只是把非屬兩個字拿掉部長你有沒有看過這個小孩被受虐的影片我是沒有是同仁有跟我特別提到尤其\n\n22\n00:08:03,909 --> 00:08:21,575\n這個影片我試著播放看看我就簡單的說這個老師他在對小孩拉他的他說他要幫他拉筋拉筋然後是為了讓他學數數所以你可以聽到這個小孩現在可能聽不到他的聲音小孩在哭喊著17181920他在數數然後老師的藉口是藉由這個拉筋然後讓他來學數數但是這個小孩的狀況適合這樣嗎還有這樣的難道不是體罰嗎可是宜蘭縣政府在記者會之後立刻改口說\n\n23\n00:08:32,219 --> 00:08:51,639\n非屬情節重大改成是是情節重大但是仍然維持停病一年請問署長跟部長你們來自地方教育第一線你們認為這樣的判定適合嗎因為一年後這個沒有教師證他也沒有特教教師證喔他更且沒有一般的教師證他又可以回到經過三招之後他可以回到全台灣任何一個地方去當代理老師這樣合適嗎那\n\n24\n00:08:54,241 --> 00:08:55,001\n謝謝委員還有我們幾位委員的關切這個也讓我們注意到這個個案\n\n25\n00:09:20,910 --> 00:09:29,915\n之前我也特別請署長除了發正式的公文要求依然縣教育處應該應該還有不只是這個學生還有另外也可能有學生受到這種比較不當的這個管教的方式所以已經請依然縣教育處應該再重新對於這方面能夠再做瞭解跟做審議那這個方面我想從這個個案\n\n26\n00:09:46,904 --> 00:09:52,007\n委員報告教育部現在國教署這邊也在研擬一個即使在幾個不同情節下那也有一個比較客觀衡量的這樣的一個基準目前正在研定因為我也謝謝委員我們在之前通過了有關兩個條例在不當管教的這方面幼兒園這方面確實有更多在處理這上面的一個更好的處理的機制但是在衡佐就像這個個案一樣\n\n27\n00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,323\n部長這個基準可不可以在一個月內提供書面報告給所有教育文化委員會的委員?\n\n28\n00:10:32,694 --> 00:10:32,714\n﹝討論中﹞\n\n29\n00:11:02,757 --> 00:11:09,076\n女主這個合約的問題不知道部長知道這件事情我簡單的跟你說這份合約呢裡面非常非常的不合理包含第一個\n\n30\n00:11:10,941 --> 00:11:11,061\n接下來﹖\n\n31\n00:12:04,660 --> 00:12:19,848\n此訊他們都還沒有收回這個合約我想請部長說明一下可不可以我就直接要求了我時間有限我可不可以就直接要求教育部發函要求足協把相關合約文件正本退還給球員還有在研議未來單項協會跟運動員的協議必須要參照棒球模式如果有運動員團體就要以團體協會方法洽談\n\n32\n00:12:26,551 --> 00:12:27,191\n謝謝委員持續關心我們有些協會跟運動員相關的問題\n\n33\n00:12:43,797 --> 00:12:44,077\n為什麼要等到3月25日?\n\n34\n00:13:02,518 --> 00:13:07,823\n緊訊可是這個合約本來就不應該這樣簽因為錢是國訓中心給的這個是因為不是很合理而且主要我想協會跟運動員這個之間的溝通真的很不足所以方向就是會跟委員報告這樣至於委員剛才提到的我覺得我也會請署裡頭未來在這方面要積極協助讓協會跟運動員之間是做最好也合理的我剛說那個演繹的部分謝謝召委30秒\n\n35\n00:13:27,881 --> 00:13:44,032\n最後這個研議的部分我想請教育部3個月內給我們一份相關的討論報告以後要簽訂相關合約的時候如何保障球員的權益而不是讓協會單方面發聲然後體育署作為背書單位這個我要等到教育部的報告3個月內可以嗎可以好謝謝部長謝謝署長謝謝教委謝謝我們謝謝陳委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n309\t28047\t陳培瑜委員質詢謝謝謝謝昭緯有請部長那部長跟昭緯不好意思因為感冒很嚴重還沒有好請允許我戴著口罩謝謝呃委員早好部長早好時間有限了我們先來請教部長喔最近有這兩天有一個很重要的新聞就是這個高中值免學費的政策可是有私立高中的家長在反映喔為什麼會有一校兩制的情況呢\n28827\t48780\t因為他們說在高級中等教育法裡面有提到一件事情就是直升還有重讀的部分沒有免學費那這個部分可不可以請部長關於相關的法規跟規定給予一個說明好不好謝謝是好謝謝委員我想這個部分委根委員報告在102年當時這個政府要推動有關\n54684\t54784\t主席\n74004\t78328\t多元的不同的意見這些條文都是經過最後表決的方式通過最後是通過國民黨團當時在這方面的考慮因為這涉及到私校公共性還有以及對於入學制度上因為當時整個政策\n93280\t93320\t：陳培瑜\n112066\t112826\t在102年才會有那麼樣的重本討論\n139377\t143538\t對於現在這個新制的家長他們認為他們是被排除在外的我覺得是這個被排除在外的心情我們必須要考慮到當然我們也不能全面都只有站在家長這一邊我們如何考慮到這個教育的公共性跟這個公平性還有這個資源分配的適當性當然還有政府預算的問題\n168766\t169166\t最近有家長在反映這個議題\n189534\t205228\t那也隔了10多年我想這部分教育部會來跟地方政府還有相關家長團體跟學校這方面在進行這些意見上的研商那相關的研商報告是不是就可以再交給所有教育文化委員會的委員我相信所有教育文化委員會應該都會收到類似的澄清跟相關的意見好嗎我們儘快來做一些研商那這方面整體的評估\n213695\t217716\t我相信這個還需要一段很長時間的評估好 謝謝第二個問題就最近有發生這個特教紳士的衝突事件我想相關的新聞我就不再贅述但是我想要談的另外一個比較大的問題其實在去年特教法修完之後普特融合的現象普特融合的情況在教育現場我們都知道是教育的主流\n236403\t264156\t可是我們發現最大的問題是老師普生的老師他們其實需要很多特教資源的協助可是我們也知道在普特融合的現場特教老師其實光是照顧特教學生已經疲於奔命甚且我們知道有非常多縣市他們連特教助理員都不夠正式的特教老師也不夠那在這個事情之後我們先不去管事情的個案我們來看通案教育部這邊有沒有任何想法來協助普特融合的教育現場普師\n265797\t288433\t還有特師如何合作還有普施所需要的特教相關知識跟資源因為像我過去自己修教育學分其實特教並不是規定必修可是當我進入教育現場之後我面對這個普特融合的現場我如何協助我的學生甚至協助我自己教學是順利的這個部分是不是也請部長簡單的回應一下因為我相信後續還有非常多事情需要我們再往下加強去處理\n289414\t291836\t謝謝委員我想普特融合這也是一個國際世界的趨勢那對於讓特教孩子能夠盡量也能夠在常態的環境裡面做學習或生活但在這個過程確實挑戰很大所以在這一次特教法的修法裡面教育部這邊也特別著力那能夠對於\n310333\t310453\t﹚培瑜\n331858\t331938\t：陳培瑜\n351792\t369930\t﹚特教助理員每年400位﹚4年有1600位﹚那也增加部分時間的時數那當然為了要能夠留住更多網絡﹚更多這些特教助理員能夠願意留在教育現場﹚也會在薪資待遇不管是薪資或部分終點也會來給予這方面的\n371732\t372213\t政府應負起支持責任?\n387874\t388214\t總統我再跟委員補充一下\n414608\t442737\t因為各縣市的差異其實這存在的現象是應該要來持續的做否則有的兩萬多有的到三萬多我有講待遇所以這一次目前我們也正在依照剛才所支持的這四年計畫也來制定相關的要點跟實施的手冊就是跟縣市開了兩次會議啦這個目的就是希望不管特教生分布在哪個縣市特教老師在哪個特教助理人在哪個地方應該要\n443697\t465025\t一致的支持：所以這個方面也會朝全國一致的方式來努力這個我們也會持續追蹤那也請教育部跟我們辦公室持續保持討論還有前幾天我跟范雲委員還有陳俊榮委員開了一個記者會關於宜蘭特交班我不知道部長您的幕僚有沒有跟你報告這件事情但是我現在就來跟部長說後來在開完記者會之後呢宜蘭\n465745\t482948\t他們快速回應了他們把非屬情節重大對不起非屬情節重大改成情節重大但是仍然維持停聘一年也就是說他只是把非屬兩個字拿掉部長你有沒有看過這個小孩被受虐的影片我是沒有是同仁有跟我特別提到尤其\n483909\t501575\t這個影片我試著播放看看我就簡單的說這個老師他在對小孩拉他的他說他要幫他拉筋拉筋然後是為了讓他學數數所以你可以聽到這個小孩現在可能聽不到他的聲音小孩在哭喊著17 18 19 20他在數數然後老師的藉口是藉由這個拉筋然後讓他來學數數但是這個小孩的狀況適合這樣嗎還有這樣的難道不是體罰嗎可是宜蘭縣政府在記者會之後立刻改口說\n512219\t531639\t非屬情節重大改成是是情節重大但是仍然維持停病一年請問署長跟部長你們來自地方教育第一線你們認為這樣的判定適合嗎因為一年後這個沒有教師證他也沒有特教教師證喔他更且沒有一般的教師證他又可以回到經過三招之後他可以回到全台灣任何一個地方去當代理老師這樣合適嗎那\n534241\t535001\t謝謝委員還有我們幾位委員的關切這個也讓我們注意到這個個案\n560910\t569915\t之前我也特別請署長除了發正式的公文要求依然縣教育處應該應該還有不只是這個學生還有另外也可能有學生受到這種比較不當的這個管教的方式所以已經請依然縣教育處應該再重新對於這方面能夠再做瞭解跟做審議那這個方面我想從這個個案\n586904\t592007\t委員報告教育部現在國教署這邊也在研擬一個即使在幾個不同情節下那也有一個比較客觀衡量的這樣的一個基準目前正在研定因為我也謝謝委員我們在之前通過了有關兩個條例在不當管教的這方面幼兒園這方面確實有更多在處理這上面的一個更好的處理的機制但是在衡佐就像這個個案一樣\n615000\t617323\t部長這個基準可不可以在一個月內提供書面報告給所有教育文化委員會的委員?\n632694\t632714\t﹝討論中﹞\n662757\t669076\t女主這個合約的問題不知道部長知道這件事情我簡單的跟你說這份合約呢裡面非常非常的不合理包含第一個\n670941\t671061\t接下來﹖\n694480\t724480\t﹗\n724660\t739848\t此訊他們都還沒有收回這個合約我想請部長說明一下可不可以我就直接要求了我時間有限我可不可以就直接要求教育部發函要求足協把相關合約文件正本退還給球員還有在研議未來單項協會跟運動員的協議必須要參照棒球模式如果有運動員團體就要以團體協會方法洽談\n746551\t747191\t謝謝委員持續關心我們有些協會跟運動員相關的問題\n763797\t764077\t為什麼要等到3月25日?\n782518\t787823\t緊訊可是這個合約本來就不應該這樣簽因為錢是國訓中心給的這個是因為不是很合理而且主要我想協會跟運動員這個之間的溝通真的很不足所以方向就是會跟委員報告這樣至於委員剛才提到的我覺得我也會請署裡頭未來在這方面要積極協助讓協會跟運動員之間是做最好也合理的我剛說那個演繹的部分謝謝召委30秒\n807881\t824032\t最後這個研議的部分我想請教育部3個月內給我們一份相關的討論報告以後要簽訂相關合約的時候如何保障球員的權益而不是讓協會單方面發聲然後體育署作為背書單位這個我要等到教育部的報告3個月內可以嗎可以好謝謝部長謝謝署長謝謝教委謝謝我們謝謝陳委員\n","txt":"陳培瑜委員質詢謝謝謝謝昭緯有請部長那部長跟昭緯不好意思因為感冒很嚴重還沒有好請允許我戴著口罩謝謝呃委員早好部長早好時間有限了我們先來請教部長喔最近有這兩天有一個很重要的新聞就是這個高中值免學費的政策可是有私立高中的家長在反映喔為什麼會有一校兩制的情況呢\n因為他們說在高級中等教育法裡面有提到一件事情就是直升還有重讀的部分沒有免學費那這個部分可不可以請部長關於相關的法規跟規定給予一個說明好不好謝謝是好謝謝委員我想這個部分委根委員報告在102年當時這個政府要推動有關\n主席\n多元的不同的意見這些條文都是經過最後表決的方式通過最後是通過國民黨團當時在這方面的考慮因為這涉及到私校公共性還有以及對於入學制度上因為當時整個政策\n：陳培瑜\n在102年才會有那麼樣的重本討論\n對於現在這個新制的家長他們認為他們是被排除在外的我覺得是這個被排除在外的心情我們必須要考慮到當然我們也不能全面都只有站在家長這一邊我們如何考慮到這個教育的公共性跟這個公平性還有這個資源分配的適當性當然還有政府預算的問題\n最近有家長在反映這個議題\n那也隔了10多年我想這部分教育部會來跟地方政府還有相關家長團體跟學校這方面在進行這些意見上的研商那相關的研商報告是不是就可以再交給所有教育文化委員會的委員我相信所有教育文化委員會應該都會收到類似的澄清跟相關的意見好嗎我們儘快來做一些研商那這方面整體的評估\n我相信這個還需要一段很長時間的評估好 謝謝第二個問題就最近有發生這個特教紳士的衝突事件我想相關的新聞我就不再贅述但是我想要談的另外一個比較大的問題其實在去年特教法修完之後普特融合的現象普特融合的情況在教育現場我們都知道是教育的主流\n可是我們發現最大的問題是老師普生的老師他們其實需要很多特教資源的協助可是我們也知道在普特融合的現場特教老師其實光是照顧特教學生已經疲於奔命甚且我們知道有非常多縣市他們連特教助理員都不夠正式的特教老師也不夠那在這個事情之後我們先不去管事情的個案我們來看通案教育部這邊有沒有任何想法來協助普特融合的教育現場普師\n還有特師如何合作還有普施所需要的特教相關知識跟資源因為像我過去自己修教育學分其實特教並不是規定必修可是當我進入教育現場之後我面對這個普特融合的現場我如何協助我的學生甚至協助我自己教學是順利的這個部分是不是也請部長簡單的回應一下因為我相信後續還有非常多事情需要我們再往下加強去處理\n謝謝委員我想普特融合這也是一個國際世界的趨勢那對於讓特教孩子能夠盡量也能夠在常態的環境裡面做學習或生活但在這個過程確實挑戰很大所以在這一次特教法的修法裡面教育部這邊也特別著力那能夠對於\n﹚培瑜\n：陳培瑜\n﹚特教助理員每年400位﹚4年有1600位﹚那也增加部分時間的時數那當然為了要能夠留住更多網絡﹚更多這些特教助理員能夠願意留在教育現場﹚也會在薪資待遇不管是薪資或部分終點也會來給予這方面的\n政府應負起支持責任?\n總統我再跟委員補充一下\n因為各縣市的差異其實這存在的現象是應該要來持續的做否則有的兩萬多有的到三萬多我有講待遇所以這一次目前我們也正在依照剛才所支持的這四年計畫也來制定相關的要點跟實施的手冊就是跟縣市開了兩次會議啦這個目的就是希望不管特教生分布在哪個縣市特教老師在哪個特教助理人在哪個地方應該要\n一致的支持：所以這個方面也會朝全國一致的方式來努力這個我們也會持續追蹤那也請教育部跟我們辦公室持續保持討論還有前幾天我跟范雲委員還有陳俊榮委員開了一個記者會關於宜蘭特交班我不知道部長您的幕僚有沒有跟你報告這件事情但是我現在就來跟部長說後來在開完記者會之後呢宜蘭\n他們快速回應了他們把非屬情節重大對不起非屬情節重大改成情節重大但是仍然維持停聘一年也就是說他只是把非屬兩個字拿掉部長你有沒有看過這個小孩被受虐的影片我是沒有是同仁有跟我特別提到尤其\n這個影片我試著播放看看我就簡單的說這個老師他在對小孩拉他的他說他要幫他拉筋拉筋然後是為了讓他學數數所以你可以聽到這個小孩現在可能聽不到他的聲音小孩在哭喊著17 18 19 20他在數數然後老師的藉口是藉由這個拉筋然後讓他來學數數但是這個小孩的狀況適合這樣嗎還有這樣的難道不是體罰嗎可是宜蘭縣政府在記者會之後立刻改口說\n非屬情節重大改成是是情節重大但是仍然維持停病一年請問署長跟部長你們來自地方教育第一線你們認為這樣的判定適合嗎因為一年後這個沒有教師證他也沒有特教教師證喔他更且沒有一般的教師證他又可以回到經過三招之後他可以回到全台灣任何一個地方去當代理老師這樣合適嗎那\n謝謝委員還有我們幾位委員的關切這個也讓我們注意到這個個案\n之前我也特別請署長除了發正式的公文要求依然縣教育處應該應該還有不只是這個學生還有另外也可能有學生受到這種比較不當的這個管教的方式所以已經請依然縣教育處應該再重新對於這方面能夠再做瞭解跟做審議那這個方面我想從這個個案\n委員報告教育部現在國教署這邊也在研擬一個即使在幾個不同情節下那也有一個比較客觀衡量的這樣的一個基準目前正在研定因為我也謝謝委員我們在之前通過了有關兩個條例在不當管教的這方面幼兒園這方面確實有更多在處理這上面的一個更好的處理的機制但是在衡佐就像這個個案一樣\n部長這個基準可不可以在一個月內提供書面報告給所有教育文化委員會的委員?\n﹝討論中﹞\n女主這個合約的問題不知道部長知道這件事情我簡單的跟你說這份合約呢裡面非常非常的不合理包含第一個\n接下來﹖\n﹗\n此訊他們都還沒有收回這個合約我想請部長說明一下可不可以我就直接要求了我時間有限我可不可以就直接要求教育部發函要求足協把相關合約文件正本退還給球員還有在研議未來單項協會跟運動員的協議必須要參照棒球模式如果有運動員團體就要以團體協會方法洽談\n謝謝委員持續關心我們有些協會跟運動員相關的問題\n為什麼要等到3月25日?\n緊訊可是這個合約本來就不應該這樣簽因為錢是國訓中心給的這個是因為不是很合理而且主要我想協會跟運動員這個之間的溝通真的很不足所以方向就是會跟委員報告這樣至於委員剛才提到的我覺得我也會請署裡頭未來在這方面要積極協助讓協會跟運動員之間是做最好也合理的我剛說那個演繹的部分謝謝召委30秒\n最後這個研議的部分我想請教育部3個月內給我們一份相關的討論報告以後要簽訂相關合約的時候如何保障球員的權益而不是讓協會單方面發聲然後體育署作為背書單位這個我要等到教育部的報告3個月內可以嗎可以好謝謝部長謝謝署長謝謝教委謝謝我們謝謝陳委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.309 --> 00:28.047\n陳培瑜委員質詢謝謝謝謝昭緯有請部長那部長跟昭緯不好意思因為感冒很嚴重還沒有好請允許我戴著口罩謝謝呃委員早好部長早好時間有限了我們先來請教部長喔最近有這兩天有一個很重要的新聞就是這個高中值免學費的政策可是有私立高中的家長在反映喔為什麼會有一校兩制的情況呢\n\n00:28.827 --> 00:48.780\n因為他們說在高級中等教育法裡面有提到一件事情就是直升還有重讀的部分沒有免學費那這個部分可不可以請部長關於相關的法規跟規定給予一個說明好不好謝謝是好謝謝委員我想這個部分委根委員報告在102年當時這個政府要推動有關\n\n00:54.684 --> 00:54.784\n主席\n\n01:14.004 --> 01:18.328\n多元的不同的意見這些條文都是經過最後表決的方式通過最後是通過國民黨團當時在這方面的考慮因為這涉及到私校公共性還有以及對於入學制度上因為當時整個政策\n\n01:33.280 --> 01:33.320\n：陳培瑜\n\n01:52.066 --> 01:52.826\n在102年才會有那麼樣的重本討論\n\n02:19.377 --> 02:23.538\n對於現在這個新制的家長他們認為他們是被排除在外的我覺得是這個被排除在外的心情我們必須要考慮到當然我們也不能全面都只有站在家長這一邊我們如何考慮到這個教育的公共性跟這個公平性還有這個資源分配的適當性當然還有政府預算的問題\n\n02:48.766 --> 02:49.166\n最近有家長在反映這個議題\n\n03:09.534 --> 03:25.228\n那也隔了10多年我想這部分教育部會來跟地方政府還有相關家長團體跟學校這方面在進行這些意見上的研商那相關的研商報告是不是就可以再交給所有教育文化委員會的委員我相信所有教育文化委員會應該都會收到類似的澄清跟相關的意見好嗎我們儘快來做一些研商那這方面整體的評估\n\n03:33.695 --> 03:37.716\n我相信這個還需要一段很長時間的評估好謝謝第二個問題就最近有發生這個特教紳士的衝突事件我想相關的新聞我就不再贅述但是我想要談的另外一個比較大的問題其實在去年特教法修完之後普特融合的現象普特融合的情況在教育現場我們都知道是教育的主流\n\n03:56.403 --> 04:24.156\n可是我們發現最大的問題是老師普生的老師他們其實需要很多特教資源的協助可是我們也知道在普特融合的現場特教老師其實光是照顧特教學生已經疲於奔命甚且我們知道有非常多縣市他們連特教助理員都不夠正式的特教老師也不夠那在這個事情之後我們先不去管事情的個案我們來看通案教育部這邊有沒有任何想法來協助普特融合的教育現場普師\n\n04:25.797 --> 04:48.433\n還有特師如何合作還有普施所需要的特教相關知識跟資源因為像我過去自己修教育學分其實特教並不是規定必修可是當我進入教育現場之後我面對這個普特融合的現場我如何協助我的學生甚至協助我自己教學是順利的這個部分是不是也請部長簡單的回應一下因為我相信後續還有非常多事情需要我們再往下加強去處理\n\n04:49.414 --> 04:51.836\n謝謝委員我想普特融合這也是一個國際世界的趨勢那對於讓特教孩子能夠盡量也能夠在常態的環境裡面做學習或生活但在這個過程確實挑戰很大所以在這一次特教法的修法裡面教育部這邊也特別著力那能夠對於\n\n05:10.333 --> 05:10.453\n﹚培瑜\n\n05:31.858 --> 05:31.938\n：陳培瑜\n\n05:51.792 --> 06:09.930\n﹚特教助理員每年400位﹚4年有1600位﹚那也增加部分時間的時數那當然為了要能夠留住更多網絡﹚更多這些特教助理員能夠願意留在教育現場﹚也會在薪資待遇不管是薪資或部分終點也會來給予這方面的\n\n06:11.732 --> 06:12.213\n政府應負起支持責任?\n\n06:27.874 --> 06:28.214\n總統我再跟委員補充一下\n\n06:54.608 --> 07:22.737\n因為各縣市的差異其實這存在的現象是應該要來持續的做否則有的兩萬多有的到三萬多我有講待遇所以這一次目前我們也正在依照剛才所支持的這四年計畫也來制定相關的要點跟實施的手冊就是跟縣市開了兩次會議啦這個目的就是希望不管特教生分布在哪個縣市特教老師在哪個特教助理人在哪個地方應該要\n\n07:23.697 --> 07:45.025\n一致的支持：所以這個方面也會朝全國一致的方式來努力這個我們也會持續追蹤那也請教育部跟我們辦公室持續保持討論還有前幾天我跟范雲委員還有陳俊榮委員開了一個記者會關於宜蘭特交班我不知道部長您的幕僚有沒有跟你報告這件事情但是我現在就來跟部長說後來在開完記者會之後呢宜蘭\n\n07:45.745 --> 08:02.948\n他們快速回應了他們把非屬情節重大對不起非屬情節重大改成情節重大但是仍然維持停聘一年也就是說他只是把非屬兩個字拿掉部長你有沒有看過這個小孩被受虐的影片我是沒有是同仁有跟我特別提到尤其\n\n08:03.909 --> 08:21.575\n這個影片我試著播放看看我就簡單的說這個老師他在對小孩拉他的他說他要幫他拉筋拉筋然後是為了讓他學數數所以你可以聽到這個小孩現在可能聽不到他的聲音小孩在哭喊著17181920他在數數然後老師的藉口是藉由這個拉筋然後讓他來學數數但是這個小孩的狀況適合這樣嗎還有這樣的難道不是體罰嗎可是宜蘭縣政府在記者會之後立刻改口說\n\n08:32.219 --> 08:51.639\n非屬情節重大改成是是情節重大但是仍然維持停病一年請問署長跟部長你們來自地方教育第一線你們認為這樣的判定適合嗎因為一年後這個沒有教師證他也沒有特教教師證喔他更且沒有一般的教師證他又可以回到經過三招之後他可以回到全台灣任何一個地方去當代理老師這樣合適嗎那\n\n08:54.241 --> 08:55.001\n謝謝委員還有我們幾位委員的關切這個也讓我們注意到這個個案\n\n09:20.910 --> 09:29.915\n之前我也特別請署長除了發正式的公文要求依然縣教育處應該應該還有不只是這個學生還有另外也可能有學生受到這種比較不當的這個管教的方式所以已經請依然縣教育處應該再重新對於這方面能夠再做瞭解跟做審議那這個方面我想從這個個案\n\n09:46.904 --> 09:52.007\n委員報告教育部現在國教署這邊也在研擬一個即使在幾個不同情節下那也有一個比較客觀衡量的這樣的一個基準目前正在研定因為我也謝謝委員我們在之前通過了有關兩個條例在不當管教的這方面幼兒園這方面確實有更多在處理這上面的一個更好的處理的機制但是在衡佐就像這個個案一樣\n\n10:15.000 --> 10:17.323\n部長這個基準可不可以在一個月內提供書面報告給所有教育文化委員會的委員?\n\n10:32.694 --> 10:32.714\n﹝討論中﹞\n\n11:02.757 --> 11:09.076\n女主這個合約的問題不知道部長知道這件事情我簡單的跟你說這份合約呢裡面非常非常的不合理包含第一個\n\n11:10.941 --> 11:11.061\n接下來﹖\n\n12:04.660 --> 12:19.848\n此訊他們都還沒有收回這個合約我想請部長說明一下可不可以我就直接要求了我時間有限我可不可以就直接要求教育部發函要求足協把相關合約文件正本退還給球員還有在研議未來單項協會跟運動員的協議必須要參照棒球模式如果有運動員團體就要以團體協會方法洽談\n\n12:26.551 --> 12:27.191\n謝謝委員持續關心我們有些協會跟運動員相關的問題\n\n12:43.797 --> 12:44.077\n為什麼要等到3月25日?\n\n13:02.518 --> 13:07.823\n緊訊可是這個合約本來就不應該這樣簽因為錢是國訓中心給的這個是因為不是很合理而且主要我想協會跟運動員這個之間的溝通真的很不足所以方向就是會跟委員報告這樣至於委員剛才提到的我覺得我也會請署裡頭未來在這方面要積極協助讓協會跟運動員之間是做最好也合理的我剛說那個演繹的部分謝謝召委30秒\n\n13:27.881 --> 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