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00:03:15,516\n已經超過三成了喔?\n\n11\n00:03:37,958 --> 00:04:04,712\n超過三成但是部長這個包括您剛剛的簡報裡頭其實也看到我們現在看到的30到39歲現在的資料看起來提撥率是只有7%有再增加嗎27%30到39歲現在提撥率有到27%那為什麼跟我上面拿到的這個資料差距這麼大\n\n12\n00:04:06,073 --> 00:04:26,418\n你講的27%是全部還是超頭?全部大概已經超過3,同一個年齡層大概27%。好,如果有到27%其實比例上還算很低啦。是。部長你們有沒有去研議,就是有沒有去討論過為什麼年輕的農民參加的退休儲金的比例這麼低?\n\n13\n00:04:27,905 --> 00:04:45,928\n我想跟委員說明,就是我們透過農民除菁的部分,其實我們鎖定的目標族群其實也是在30歲到45歲之間,因為這個部分他從事農業的時間才會更久。那有一些農民的部分,他其實在農民退休除菁的時候他開始是用觀望的,所以我們看\n\n14\n00:04:46,809 --> 00:04:46,969\n好,部長。\n\n15\n00:05:10,444 --> 00:05:26,337\n你剛剛講說很多人還在觀望其實這個政策也實施大概兩三年了啦如果要觀望其實也到一個程度了有沒有可能我們現在開始去加強力道不要說強制啦\n\n16\n00:05:27,438 --> 00:05:55,016\n鼓勵甚至我們政府優先提撥比如說我們優先提撥6%到農民的戶口裡頭去增加他參與農民退休儲金的這樣的意願那如果他自己能夠提供7%或者是到10%我們當然是相對提撥嘛有沒有可能我們去研議一下我們主動提撥6%直接到他的戶口裡頭去增加他的這個投保的意願有沒有可能\n\n17\n00:05:55,576 --> 00:06:12,482\n我想委員的說明非常清楚,就是說像類似我們的勞工有沒有,雇主的勞工主動提撥6%這個部分但是這個部分我們內部曾經研擬過,它需要有一個法源,因為現在的相關的規定是\n\n18\n00:06:13,602 --> 00:06:37,497\n農民提撥多少,我們對等提撥多少。我們相對提撥嘛,我知道。如果說我們一開始,等於說第一年他只要一加入,我先提撥一個百分比的時候,那我必須要有適當的法源。這個部分我想我們第一個,我們內部會再做。法源的部分我覺得我們其實是可以來研議嘛。對,因為農民退休儲金制度也是從零到有嘛。所以我覺得法源的部分其實我們是可以來研議。包括這個6%的基準是從哪裡計算。\n\n19\n00:06:39,998 --> 00:07:08,130\n我覺得這個其實我們可以再來討論這件事情總之就是說我們要讓農民提投保的意願增加甚至要更清楚的讓農民知道政府照顧他們的這樣的一個心意讓農民到老了還是有能夠有請領退休金的這樣的一個制度我覺得這個都是從領導有要一點一點的去累積起來這個事其實是靠我們大家一起來努力\n\n20\n00:07:08,950 --> 00:07:09,992\n對於農漁民的子女來說﹖\n\n21\n00:07:30,933 --> 00:07:51,753\n他們念公立大學的比例其實比不上他們去念私立大學的比例那當然我們也有這個農運民的獎助學金的這個補貼辦法但是這個補貼辦法跟現在教育部的這一個私立大學的補助方案會不會有互相焊隔之處\n\n22\n00:07:52,794 --> 00:08:10,775\n所以護相漢德就是說他領了教育部的那個補助之後能不能再來請領我們農業部提供的農漁民的這個子女講座方案可還是不可還是有沒有什麼條件的限制那這一些部分的說明其實到目前為止我\n\n23\n00:08:11,656 --> 00:08:36,025\n我也沒有得到很充分的比如說農業部你們的保險局或者是農經局對於這個部分的請領資格的說明其實好像也不太夠另外一個我一併把問題問完再讓您一併回答另外一個就是說其實現在我們這個國教的高中職全面免學費已經取消了排付的門檻\n\n24\n00:08:37,446 --> 00:09:00,244\n可是對於我們農漁民子女獎助學金仍然有加護所的114萬這樣的一個門檻所在有沒有考慮把這樣的一個門檻也拿掉來部長我想針對排富的部分因為我們也知道現行國家的高中資已經全部有取消了排富的門檻那我們現在也正在研議\n\n25\n00:09:01,385 --> 00:09:01,405\n﹚邱議瑩\n\n26\n00:09:19,643 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07:51.753\n他們念公立大學的比例其實比不上他們去念私立大學的比例那當然我們也有這個農運民的獎助學金的這個補貼辦法但是這個補貼辦法跟現在教育部的這一個私立大學的補助方案會不會有互相焊隔之處\n\n07:52.794 --> 08:10.775\n所以護相漢德就是說他領了教育部的那個補助之後能不能再來請領我們農業部提供的農漁民的這個子女講座方案可還是不可還是有沒有什麼條件的限制那這一些部分的說明其實到目前為止我\n\n08:11.656 --> 08:36.025\n我也沒有得到很充分的比如說農業部你們的保險局或者是農經局對於這個部分的請領資格的說明其實好像也不太夠另外一個我一併把問題問完再讓您一併回答另外一個就是說其實現在我們這個國教的高中職全面免學費已經取消了排付的門檻\n\n08:37.446 --> 09:00.244\n可是對於我們農漁民子女獎助學金仍然有加護所的114萬這樣的一個門檻所在有沒有考慮把這樣的一個門檻也拿掉來部長我想針對排富的部分因為我們也知道現行國家的高中資已經全部有取消了排富的門檻那我們現在也正在研議\n\n09:01.385 --> 09:01.405\n﹚邱議瑩\n\n09:19.643 --> 09:38.664\n我們盡可能把在一個月之內把它做一個完整的規劃這個規劃完你因為還要再抱怨取得一個行政委員的同意大概會這樣的方式然後第二個同意您剛才講的部分就是有關於私立學校的講座的部分我們基本上是我們希望因為它現在二則一不能都重複嘛\n\n09:39.204 --> 09:58.090\n如果是2則1應該怎麼樣2則1或者是說你們提供的優惠條件等等我覺得可能應該要在在下鄉或者是透過各個縣市政府的農業局或者是教育局來進行這一些比較詳盡的說明我想跟委員說明就是更重要的是我們希望說透過另外一類的獎勵\n\n09:59.070 --> 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