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00:03:02,154\n還是因為實習太倉促讓你的執行長不得不缺席所以心裡覺得委屈?該委員報告我之所以會請假沒有參加的話是因為到立法院的委員會一次是臨時會一次是專案的會議所以我必須要來這邊備選所以才跟行政院的食安匯報去做請假\n\n9\n00:03:03,297 --> 00:03:24,490\n是,但是還是沒有定期每3個月開一次?這個定期的開會的時間,那我們是報給行政院,但是行政院還是必須要看院長的時程來訂的。所以訂了之後的話,那如果臨時立法院這邊委員會必須要出席的話,我就不得不請假。\n\n10\n00:03:26,112 --> 00:03:51,247\n所以重點是我想要表達的是第一個當然沒有定期開會代表第二個你們常常缺席所以代表對於這個食安匯報的不在乎我想也不能這樣講說不在乎如果說大院能夠下一個決議說如果遇到食安匯報那衛福部長可以請假不來立法院備詢那我們也樂意接受\n\n11\n00:03:52,382 --> 00:03:52,662\n請問有安排好日期了嗎?\n\n12\n00:04:14,582 --> 00:04:15,022\n反正我下一個結論就是\n\n13\n00:04:40,763 --> 00:05:08,853\n是還沒有排好日期那希望你們盡快排那你們到時候會討論哪些題目包含現在工業用的添加物混入食品體系的老問題例如這次蘇丹紅事件是不是也會列為這個檢討改進的事項是,我們預計這一個會排進去是,好那有請我們行政院食安辦的徐副主任是,喂,委員好謝謝這個薛部長您是這個行政院食安會報的執行長喔\n\n14\n00:05:10,578 --> 00:05:32,454\n那食安會報不僅早行政院食安辦公室6年就先成立那連這個食安辦公室的官網也自己介紹自己的功能與願景的內容中都說行政院食安會報是有法律的設置基礎而食安辦公室只是在政策的督導與執行而已那徐主任我想要請問\n\n15\n00:05:34,352 --> 00:05:48,868\n實驗室有沒有污染這個問題或是實驗室有沒有問題是政策的督導跟執行嗎?那徐主任你代表行政院在沒有任何科學證據下卻打臉慰福部這不就是政治黑手干擾專業嗎?\n\n16\n00:05:50,478 --> 00:06:14,829\n徐主任我覺得從這個蘇丹紅這一次這種工業用的添加物混入食品體系這種才是真正的督導就是政策督導與執行也就是你行政院要跨部會協調應該發揮的角色與功能請問這次蘇丹紅事件你行政院有沒有發揮政策督導與執行我們事實上\n\n17\n00:06:19,660 --> 00:06:27,450\n蘇丹紅的部分事實上我們有從2月20號之後相當多的措施在包含在食安專報23號我們擴大的查驗剛部長有提到說21家的我們回溯總共抽\n\n18\n00:06:34,238 --> 00:06:34,778\n您剛剛有提到說這個\n\n19\n00:06:52,211 --> 00:06:57,255\n首先因為食藥署長跟我們部長當初也都說這個沒有問題不過我想這一頁翻過去了我想要直接討論的接續回來的是\n\n20\n00:07:20,970 --> 00:07:48,295\n這次驗出蘇丹紅的事件今年1月30日就驗出有蘇丹紅這批貨那這個進展到上週我們流入市面有更大擴大的風波那我從任何人都可以上網查到的邊境檢驗不符合食品資訊查詢系統查到從2024年1月30日回溯過去整整12個月光是辣椒粉在邊境就驗出蘇丹紅的案例有11例11件次數難道還不夠高嗎\n\n21\n00:07:51,861 --> 00:07:52,381\n一月底爆出這個\n\n22\n00:08:12,415 --> 00:08:13,876\n不好意思主席我們再這個多加兩分鐘那\n\n23\n00:08:32,787 --> 00:08:50,536\n這兩件案子的數量都還用偷機用單一事件來模糊就好像是疫情的時候把確診的黑數校正回歸一樣現在是黑心案件數都還要校正回歸嗎?我想只要食安五環有做到位你一定可以回答這批合計28903公斤的致癌蘇丹紅\n\n24\n00:08:55,069 --> 00:09:20,880\n辣椒粉請問至今下架回收查扣還有未流入市面的有幾公斤流入市面的又有幾公斤你可否知道這一區區一小瓶的胡椒粉一包零食如果用違法致癌蘇丹紅的這個辣椒粉也不過就是幾毫克的用量整整28903公斤的流向請問何以至今沒有公開這豈不是食安五環的破功嗎\n\n25\n00:09:22,420 --> 00:09:43,545\n請問部長要到怎麼樣的氾濫程度才會真正的緊迫丁人好好的為人民把關我們的食品安全?目前我們就是在緊迫丁人所以所有的這些不合格的這個廠商所進來的這一些辣椒粉的話我們全部去做後市場的精查那一共查了59批\n\n26\n00:09:45,908 --> 00:09:51,641\n其中有42批是合格的那11批是不合格的那還有6批還在檢驗中\n\n27\n00:09:53,295 --> 00:10:17,884\n謝謝部長那部長我直接跳到因為時間有限最後一題食藥署系統中可以查到這兩年以來12件含有致癌蘇丹紅的辣椒食品原料總重量我幫你算了一下其實總共有10萬8178公斤可是對比今天我們專案報告第7頁中所說你剛剛一直提到的總共9件只有5萬\n\n28\n00:10:19,978 --> 00:10:39,374\n五萬五千兩百七十五公斤的辣椒粉被驗出蘇丹紅我認為這衛福部在避重就輕因為所有辣椒食品當中有碰到蘇丹紅的總共有十萬多公斤辣椒食品並不只是辣椒粉但是衛福部卻在這個報告裡面這個報告明明寫的是蘇丹紅事件處理\n\n29\n00:10:41,836 --> 00:11:03,998\n卻置之不提蘇丹紅的辣椒食品有10萬8178公斤這實在是很扯所以換句話說蘇丹紅辣椒食品跟政府保證未流入市面的蘇丹紅辣椒粉兩者之間還差有5萬2903公斤的蘇丹紅辣椒食品是沒有被衛福部交代清楚流向的\n\n30\n00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:20,458\n我想要請教部長這之間5萬多公斤的蘇丹紅的辣椒食品中目前在哪裡?有多少公斤確定流入市面查不到?又有多少公斤是被追回來的?你承不承認食安五環有破工並且因此要跟國人道歉?\n\n31\n00:11:22,813 --> 00:11:39,914\n這個所謂的五萬多公斤未流入市面是在邊境就被擋住了那所以我們現在在查的就是後市場當時沒有百分之百的一個抽菸的那可能就會有跑進來那我們循著這個我們的追蹤追溯系統正在查\n\n32\n00:11:40,655 --> 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的緊迫丁人好好的為人民把關我們的食品安全?目前我們就是在緊迫丁人所以所有的這些不合格的這個廠商所進來的這一些辣椒粉的話我們全部去做後市場的精查那一共查了59批\n其中有42批是合格的那11批是不合格的那還有6批還在檢驗中\n謝謝部長那部長我直接跳到因為時間有限最後一題食藥署系統中可以查到這兩年以來12件含有致癌蘇丹紅的辣椒食品原料總重量我幫你算了一下其實總共有10萬8178公斤可是對比今天我們專案報告第7頁中所說你剛剛一直提到的總共9件只有5萬\n五萬五千兩百七十五公斤的辣椒粉被驗出蘇丹紅我認為這衛福部在避重就輕因為所有辣椒食品當中有碰到蘇丹紅的總共有十萬多公斤辣椒食品並不只是辣椒粉但是衛福部卻在這個報告裡面這個報告明明寫的是蘇丹紅事件處理\n卻置之不提蘇丹紅的辣椒食品有10萬8178公斤這實在是很扯所以換句話說蘇丹紅辣椒食品跟政府保證未流入市面的蘇丹紅辣椒粉兩者之間還差有5萬2903公斤的蘇丹紅辣椒食品是沒有被衛福部交代清楚流向的\n我想要請教部長這之間5萬多公斤的蘇丹紅的辣椒食品中目前在哪裡?有多少公斤確定流入市面查不到?又有多少公斤是被追回來的?你承不承認食安五環有破工並且因此要跟國人道歉?\n這個所謂的五萬多公斤未流入市面是在邊境就被擋住了那所以我們現在在查的就是後市場當時沒有百分之百的一個抽菸的那可能就會有跑進來那我們循著這個我們的追蹤追溯系統正在查\n那把這一些已經進來的那我們就逐批的再做一次檢驗所以這是我剛剛跟跟您報告的59批那目前的話有問題的這11批的話我們還會往下再去查所以換句話說就是有5萬多公斤目前還在追查中還沒有查出來沒有沒有沒有那麼多了沒有那麼多以前沒有那麼多好那我們可不可以要求部長在一個禮拜之內趕快把這些\n我們謝謝廖偉翔委員的質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.229 --> 00:16.739\n委員進行質詢有請薛部長就備詢台好請部長委員好\n\n00:21.650 --> 00:40.590\n部長您好。部長去年5月22日到30日在日內瓦的第76屆世界衛生大會WHA的部分當時是由薛部長你帶領衛福部的官員組成世衛行動團去參加請教今年還是您帶團嗎?\n\n00:41.513 --> 00:46.097\n所以慣例上都是由部長代團但是因為今年是涉及我們的新舊政府的這個交接所以\n\n01:00.013 --> 01:22.489\n這個很多閣員已經為了保住官位而動作不斷所以想要請教部長陳建仁院長已經表示跟蔡英文總統一起同進退不會留任所以想要請教部長您是否會爭取留任我不會去爭取好所以這個如果是所以代表是等於是您確定您跟這個\n\n01:25.920 --> 01:46.013\n陳建仁院長是同調對吧?我也沒有說確定,不是非可操之在我,不是由我來決定。總之呢,我想要表達的是,事實上國人希望的是衛福部長是一位做事的部長,而不是來指揮做官的部長。那我相信希望我們薛部長可以持續往這方向努力。\n\n01:48.029 --> 02:09.884\n這個兩週前我質詢陳建仁院長的時候我反映這個中央政府輕視食安像是行政院食安會報的執行長也就是薛部長您在我質詢的陳院長那天當天算起來已經有333天沒有親自參加開會那直到今天已經有343天沒有參加這個食安會報了\n\n02:11.243 --> 02:34.460\n我當時跟陳建仁院長提出行政院食安會報沒有依規定每三個月定期開會那當時您也是在旁邊長期缺席不過當時因為您感冒失聲沒有多做說明所以想要給您補充說明的機會不管是333天也好或是343天我想要請問是因為行政院其實沒有想要安排院長定期開會呢\n\n02:35.641 --> 03:02.154\n還是因為實習太倉促讓你的執行長不得不缺席所以心裡覺得委屈?該委員報告我之所以會請假沒有參加的話是因為到立法院的委員會一次是臨時會一次是專案的會議所以我必須要來這邊備選所以才跟行政院的食安匯報去做請假\n\n03:03.297 --> 03:24.490\n是,但是還是沒有定期每3個月開一次?這個定期的開會的時間,那我們是報給行政院,但是行政院還是必須要看院長的時程來訂的。所以訂了之後的話,那如果臨時立法院這邊委員會必須要出席的話,我就不得不請假。\n\n03:26.112 --> 03:51.247\n所以重點是我想要表達的是第一個當然沒有定期開會代表第二個你們常常缺席所以代表對於這個食安匯報的不在乎我想也不能這樣講說不在乎如果說大院能夠下一個決議說如果遇到食安匯報那衛福部長可以請假不來立法院備詢那我們也樂意接受\n\n03:52.382 --> 03:52.662\n請問有安排好日期了嗎?\n\n04:14.582 --> 04:15.022\n反正我下一個結論就是\n\n04:40.763 --> 05:08.853\n是還沒有排好日期那希望你們盡快排那你們到時候會討論哪些題目包含現在工業用的添加物混入食品體系的老問題例如這次蘇丹紅事件是不是也會列為這個檢討改進的事項是,我們預計這一個會排進去是,好那有請我們行政院食安辦的徐副主任是,喂,委員好謝謝這個薛部長您是這個行政院食安會報的執行長喔\n\n05:10.578 --> 05:32.454\n那食安會報不僅早行政院食安辦公室6年就先成立那連這個食安辦公室的官網也自己介紹自己的功能與願景的內容中都說行政院食安會報是有法律的設置基礎而食安辦公室只是在政策的督導與執行而已那徐主任我想要請問\n\n05:34.352 --> 05:48.868\n實驗室有沒有污染這個問題或是實驗室有沒有問題是政策的督導跟執行嗎?那徐主任你代表行政院在沒有任何科學證據下卻打臉慰福部這不就是政治黑手干擾專業嗎?\n\n05:50.478 --> 06:14.829\n徐主任我覺得從這個蘇丹紅這一次這種工業用的添加物混入食品體系這種才是真正的督導就是政策督導與執行也就是你行政院要跨部會協調應該發揮的角色與功能請問這次蘇丹紅事件你行政院有沒有發揮政策督導與執行我們事實上\n\n06:19.660 --> 06:27.450\n蘇丹紅的部分事實上我們有從2月20號之後相當多的措施在包含在食安專報23號我們擴大的查驗剛部長有提到說21家的我們回溯總共抽\n\n06:34.238 --> 06:34.778\n您剛剛有提到說這個\n\n06:52.211 --> 06:57.255\n首先因為食藥署長跟我們部長當初也都說這個沒有問題不過我想這一頁翻過去了我想要直接討論的接續回來的是\n\n07:20.970 --> 07:48.295\n這次驗出蘇丹紅的事件今年1月30日就驗出有蘇丹紅這批貨那這個進展到上週我們流入市面有更大擴大的風波那我從任何人都可以上網查到的邊境檢驗不符合食品資訊查詢系統查到從2024年1月30日回溯過去整整12個月光是辣椒粉在邊境就驗出蘇丹紅的案例有11例11件次數難道還不夠高嗎\n\n07:51.861 --> 07:52.381\n一月底爆出這個\n\n08:12.415 --> 08:13.876\n不好意思主席我們再這個多加兩分鐘那\n\n08:32.787 --> 08:50.536\n這兩件案子的數量都還用偷機用單一事件來模糊就好像是疫情的時候把確診的黑數校正回歸一樣現在是黑心案件數都還要校正回歸嗎?我想只要食安五環有做到位你一定可以回答這批合計28903公斤的致癌蘇丹紅\n\n08:55.069 --> 09:20.880\n辣椒粉請問至今下架回收查扣還有未流入市面的有幾公斤流入市面的又有幾公斤你可否知道這一區區一小瓶的胡椒粉一包零食如果用違法致癌蘇丹紅的這個辣椒粉也不過就是幾毫克的用量整整28903公斤的流向請問何以至今沒有公開這豈不是食安五環的破功嗎\n\n09:22.420 --> 09:43.545\n請問部長要到怎麼樣的氾濫程度才會真正的緊迫丁人好好的為人民把關我們的食品安全?目前我們就是在緊迫丁人所以所有的這些不合格的這個廠商所進來的這一些辣椒粉的話我們全部去做後市場的精查那一共查了59批\n\n09:45.908 --> 09:51.641\n其中有42批是合格的那11批是不合格的那還有6批還在檢驗中\n\n09:53.295 --> 10:17.884\n謝謝部長那部長我直接跳到因為時間有限最後一題食藥署系統中可以查到這兩年以來12件含有致癌蘇丹紅的辣椒食品原料總重量我幫你算了一下其實總共有10萬8178公斤可是對比今天我們專案報告第7頁中所說你剛剛一直提到的總共9件只有5萬\n\n10:19.978 --> 10:39.374\n五萬五千兩百七十五公斤的辣椒粉被驗出蘇丹紅我認為這衛福部在避重就輕因為所有辣椒食品當中有碰到蘇丹紅的總共有十萬多公斤辣椒食品並不只是辣椒粉但是衛福部卻在這個報告裡面這個報告明明寫的是蘇丹紅事件處理\n\n10:41.836 --> 11:03.998\n卻置之不提蘇丹紅的辣椒食品有10萬8178公斤這實在是很扯所以換句話說蘇丹紅辣椒食品跟政府保證未流入市面的蘇丹紅辣椒粉兩者之間還差有5萬2903公斤的蘇丹紅辣椒食品是沒有被衛福部交代清楚流向的\n\n11:04.679 --> 11:20.458\n我想要請教部長這之間5萬多公斤的蘇丹紅的辣椒食品中目前在哪裡?有多少公斤確定流入市面查不到?又有多少公斤是被追回來的?你承不承認食安五環有破工並且因此要跟國人道歉?\n\n11:22.813 --> 11:39.914\n這個所謂的五萬多公斤未流入市面是在邊境就被擋住了那所以我們現在在查的就是後市場當時沒有百分之百的一個抽菸的那可能就會有跑進來那我們循著這個我們的追蹤追溯系統正在查\n\n11:40.655 --> 12:07.482\n那把這一些已經進來的那我們就逐批的再做一次檢驗所以這是我剛剛跟跟您報告的59批那目前的話有問題的這11批的話我們還會往下再去查所以換句話說就是有5萬多公斤目前還在追查中還沒有查出來沒有沒有沒有那麼多了沒有那麼多以前沒有那麼多好那我們可不可以要求部長在一個禮拜之內趕快把這些\n\n12:08.302 --> 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