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00:01:24,224\n已經掌握種源就能夠掌握經濟農業的戰略位置我舉了兩個案例一個是挪威鮭魚跟紐西蘭的奇異果那本席最後主張如何創造臺灣的農業價值就在這個精準農業什麼叫做精準農業就是物種種源再加上基因科技的技術這兩個才是達到所謂的精準農業最後本席對於農業部的智慧農業治理有一個具體的要求\n\n6\n00:01:30,128 --> 00:01:51,864\n什麼叫做這個農業治理呢本席所主張的農業治理是這樣子的育種生產自動化雲端化服務教育拍賣資訊大數據的收集最後到消費者端育種最重要是在種源的管理科學的配種精準種的養殖\n\n7\n00:01:52,864 --> 00:02:00,429\n在我們過去的政策當中就把這個生產自動化當作就叫做智慧農業了所有的補助都到做智慧農業叫做生產自動化錯的他應該是從總員開始一直到生產自動化最後的雲端服務跟交易拍賣市場的大數據收集最後到消費者端好我們的總員問題在哪裡呢目前農政單位所進行的總員品系\n\n8\n00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:37,019\n及基因序的管理各改良廠、思源所各型歧視整體的經濟物種的發展及研究各型歧視總員跟基因序的管理分散是多麼分散呢本期再把下面你們只要跟\n\n9\n00:02:37,920 --> 00:03:06,589\n總原基因有關的三級單位我全部爬出出來了所以你看他的職長是這樣的分項細化而且是缺乏整合的也因為這樣總原精細的管理分散缺乏國內外市場策略性的布局甚至偏向學術性的研究我國需要的是策略性、市場性及前瞻性的經濟物種總原跟經濟物種基因管理的策略好\n\n10\n00:03:07,489 --> 00:03:36,178\n下一頁我們這個經濟物種的種源跟基因收集我強調的種源包括基因的收集就能夠形成農業國際市場的獨佔比如說這個美國他掌握了白肉雞在這個蛋雞的部分就被這個荷蘭法國的企業掌握白蝦種就在墨西哥跟美國下位所以如果這個白雞白肉雞美國他如果在\n\n11\n00:03:36,718 --> 00:03:57,234\n他的這個祖父袋或父母袋他不賣給臺灣那大概兩三年後我們也沒得買了只剩下我們的原生種那我們原生種相關的生產是弱化的是沒效率的好我請鮭魚不要動那個鮭魚的不是上一頁好\n\n12\n00:04:05,090 --> 00:04:21,482\n經濟物種的部分總員的收集本席也用這樣表的來呈現從最上端的核心物總員到下面的主代總員到父母代親本跟商品單我就以單機為主他如果一隻機\n\n13\n00:04:22,944 --> 00:04:26,808\n那他產生了85個主袋85隻雞這是純種喔85隻雞當中會父母袋他會有7500隻的純種7500隻的純種在商品袋就75萬隻的純種最後整個市場我掌握了3億枚的雞蛋\n\n14\n00:04:39,344 --> 00:05:05,946\n好那國內的種源應用的問題是什麼管理分散且核心運用區間偏正在父母帶跟商品帶那我們進口這個父母帶跟商品帶的進來之後呢我們就會近親繁殖所以在國內就會變成我們的基因弱化抗病性弱還有反骨的問題會回到原來的物種的問題我就以白紗為例臺灣現在的種源幾乎都是弱化跟帶病菌的\n\n15\n00:05:06,246 --> 00:05:26,556\n所以你只有補助或者就是讓他這個市場整個消滅掉好再下一頁好那就以鮭魚來講鮭魚本身是海放的他本來是海放的撈捕的漁業竟然在挪威這個大西洋鮭魚的產業是隨產養殖\n\n16\n00:05:30,438 --> 00:05:56,366\n他占有領先的地位育種就是他不可缺的關鍵技術透過種源的收集及基因選拔技術能夠全面提升新品種各項性能好你看這張圖這張是美國羅約育種的公司在2000年以前叫做傳統育種就是我看的我目視他好的那我就讓他們配種在後面的2000年的10年他用基因來做輔助選拔\n\n17\n00:05:57,586 --> 00:06:22,992\n最後的2011年到現在全面的用基因來選拔物種所以它花了20年的時間全面的以基因來選拔它的品種而且變成水養殖不是海放好另外下一個它也就因為這樣的育種選拔所以能夠讓16個月的生長期縮短為9個月它所代表的是什麼我更低的生產成本我較少的碳排放\n\n18\n00:06:23,672 --> 00:06:35,862\n以及更低的飼養風險所以在您的檢報章中你說要碳匯、碳匯這就是碳匯你導入了智慧農業之後而且精準農業當中的育種你就能夠減少碳排放更值得我們驕傲的是什麼\n\n19\n00:06:40,305 --> 00:06:40,325\n紐西蘭\n\n20\n00:07:02,955 --> 00:07:19,586\n這個呢,這個奇異果它的種植面積並沒有大幅增加但是它創造更高的產量跟品系的發展關鍵就是它掌握的品、掌握的種源利用育種的技術來開發新品種它的特色有什麼?它能夠達到四項除了高品質、性能的選拔它還有吸引性、機能性跟風味的選拔包括黃金果啦什麼紅色黃金果啦黃色這個黃色紅色奇異果啊甚至它還可以\n\n21\n00:07:32,014 --> 00:07:38,477\n到健康土壤在整個育種基因的這樣一個育種的情況之下他還能夠環境跟菌相的管理以及達到無化學殘留那這個就是他們利用掌握種源育種技術的精進好本席在這邊再舉一個案例臺灣可不可行呢精準農業\n\n22\n00:07:55,965 --> 00:07:57,647\n來創造台灣的農業價值精準農業掌握物種種源以及基因科技的技術這個基因不是講基因改良而是把每一個物種把它的整個的足譜爬梳出來\n\n23\n00:08:10,902 --> 00:08:35,101\n那整個主婦爬出來,優良的我們家語配對不是你看到好的結果他同父同母同父同樣的父母親那根本沒有辦法做育種還是要透過基因科技把他的整個主婦爬出來臺灣國土面積僅有36000平方公里大量生產的粗放型農業根本不適合小國寡民的農業出口也就是說今次\n\n24\n00:08:35,862 --> 00:08:54,662\n高附加價值特定種苗的出口模式這種具關鍵技術掌握的農業外銷的模式是我國農業轉型的可評估性我們做不做得到我就以本期的選區高雄林園在這個石斑魚的部分如何能夠精準石斑魚的這個養殖我\n\n25\n00:08:57,064 --> 00:09:11,453\n協助他們向速發部來爭取經費所以呢過往你看這個我們過往從腫瘀瘦菌染到這個瘀苗白生寸苗到成瘀過往我們都只有成瘀的出口我們現在在瘀苗這個時候就出口了\n\n26\n00:09:12,173 --> 00:09:32,143\n我們在地的業者一個青龍他願意接受我的意見我也輔助他到速發部我沒有跟你們申請金我到速發部申請結果他的價值是翻倍木曜市場在哪裡馬來西亞好那本行的針對智慧農業的具體建議在我上一屆的時候已經講到農業決策數據平台連你們的決策都要數位化都要智慧化\n\n27\n00:09:38,087 --> 00:10:04,549\n決策智慧化所以在這個決策數位平台當中應該納入智慧農業本席要求有這三項納入你的智慧決策數據平台第一個農業部建立國家農漁牧業的經濟物種及保育物種的種源及基因完整的資料庫並輔導針對目標市場進行的專利佈局我就以經濟物種跟保育物種我講到這個保育物種\n\n28\n00:10:05,450 --> 00:10:24,345\n台灣我們都說梅花柱是台灣特有種但是不好意思它經過相關的基因體檢測之後多為外來種的基因因為長期沒有系統化的育種跟存化第二個本席的建議農業部應該參考前述的挪威跟紐西蘭的案例掌握種源行銷國際規劃國家農業經濟市場的布局\n\n29\n00:10:29,349 --> 00:10:32,871\n最後整體策略發展因重視國內特有的小農經濟如何結合生物科技業者搭配國家的市場合作策略比如說新南向政策日韓東北亞的市場積極媒合以上部長你有什麼回應\n\n30\n00:10:47,145 --> 00:11:07,384\n我先謝謝委員針對整個的一個相關於農業部部份的一個總緣的一個相關的議題我們現在農業部現在在處理的是一個剛才您講我們叫做數位的育種計畫那數位育種計畫基因的一個完整的資料庫是一個非常重要的所以我們未來大概會分為三個面向第一個面向就是技術的開發\n\n31\n00:11:08,405 --> 00:11:26,043\n那技術的開發是針對你剛才所提到的基因的穩等資料庫基因的穩等資料庫每一個物種基因穩等資料庫建立可能3到5年短的話長的話可能10年但是我們會針對我們國內現有的這些重要的物種會先去著手會去做那第二個部分就是\n\n32\n00:11:26,644 --> 00:11:27,425\n我講一個去年才發生的芒果鳳梨\n\n33\n00:11:54,025 --> 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不可行呢精準農業\n來創造台灣的農業價值精準農業掌握物種種源以及基因科技的技術這個基因不是講基因改良而是把每一個物種把它的整個的足譜爬梳出來\n那整個主婦爬出來,優良的我們家語配對不是你看到好的結果他同父同母同父同樣的父母親那根本沒有辦法做育種還是要透過基因科技把他的整個主婦爬出來臺灣國土面積僅有36000平方公里大量生產的粗放型農業根本不適合小國寡民的農業出口也就是說今次\n高附加價值特定種苗的出口模式這種具關鍵技術掌握的農業外銷的模式是我國農業轉型的可評估性我們做不做得到我就以本期的選區高雄林園在這個石斑魚的部分如何能夠精準石斑魚的這個養殖我\n協助他們向速發部來爭取經費所以呢過往你看這個我們過往從腫瘀瘦菌染到這個瘀苗白生寸苗到成瘀過往我們都只有成瘀的出口我們現在在瘀苗這個時候就出口了\n我們在地的業者一個青龍他願意接受我的意見我也輔助他到速發部我沒有跟你們申請金我到速發部申請結果他的價值是翻倍木曜市場在哪裡馬來西亞好那本行的針對智慧農業的具體建議在我上一屆的時候已經講到農業決策數據平台連你們的決策都要數位化都要智慧化\n決策智慧化所以在這個決策數位平台當中應該納入智慧農業本席要求有這三項納入你的智慧決策數據平台第一個農業部建立國家農漁牧業的經濟物種及保育物種的種源及基因完整的資料庫並輔導針對目標市場進行的專利佈局我就以經濟物種跟保育物種我講到這個保育物種\n台灣我們都說梅花柱是台灣特有種但是不好意思它經過相關的基因體檢測之後多為外來種的基因因為長期沒有系統化的育種跟存化第二個本席的建議農業部應該參考前述的挪威跟紐西蘭的案例掌握種源行銷國際規劃國家農業經濟市場的布局\n最後整體策略發展因重視國內特有的小農經濟如何結合生物科技業者搭配國家的市場合作策略比如說新南向政策日韓東北亞的市場積極媒合以上部長你有什麼回應\n我先謝謝委員針對整個的一個相關於農業部部份的一個總緣的一個相關的議題我們現在農業部現在在處理的是一個剛才您講我們叫做數位的育種計畫那數位育種計畫基因的一個完整的資料庫是一個非常重要的所以我們未來大概會分為三個面向第一個面向就是技術的開發\n那技術的開發是針對你剛才所提到的基因的穩等資料庫基因的穩等資料庫每一個物種基因穩等資料庫建立可能3到5年短的話長的話可能10年但是我們會針對我們國內現有的這些重要的物種會先去著手會去做那第二個部分就是\n我講一個去年才發生的芒果鳳梨\n林岱樺\n謝謝!\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.670 --> 00:06.681\n接下來我們請林岱樺委員請做詢問主席有請部長我們請部長\n\n00:14.246 --> 00:15.527\n委員好下一頁下一頁\n\n00:40.531 --> 00:48.920\n質詢1.本期主張的什麼叫做智慧農業治理框架?2.\n\n00:48.920 --> 00:50.542\n目前我們台灣農業經濟物種種源的問題在哪裡?\n\n00:55.166 --> 01:24.224\n已經掌握種源就能夠掌握經濟農業的戰略位置我舉了兩個案例一個是挪威鮭魚跟紐西蘭的奇異果那本席最後主張如何創造臺灣的農業價值就在這個精準農業什麼叫做精準農業就是物種種源再加上基因科技的技術這兩個才是達到所謂的精準農業最後本席對於農業部的智慧農業治理有一個具體的要求\n\n01:30.128 --> 01:51.864\n什麼叫做這個農業治理呢本席所主張的農業治理是這樣子的育種生產自動化雲端化服務教育拍賣資訊大數據的收集最後到消費者端育種最重要是在種源的管理科學的配種精準種的養殖\n\n01:52.864 --> 02:00.429\n在我們過去的政策當中就把這個生產自動化當作就叫做智慧農業了所有的補助都到做智慧農業叫做生產自動化錯的他應該是從總員開始一直到生產自動化最後的雲端服務跟交易拍賣市場的大數據收集最後到消費者端好我們的總員問題在哪裡呢目前農政單位所進行的總員品系\n\n02:21.320 --> 02:37.019\n及基因序的管理各改良廠、思源所各型歧視整體的經濟物種的發展及研究各型歧視總員跟基因序的管理分散是多麼分散呢本期再把下面你們只要跟\n\n02:37.920 --> 03:06.589\n總原基因有關的三級單位我全部爬出出來了所以你看他的職長是這樣的分項細化而且是缺乏整合的也因為這樣總原精細的管理分散缺乏國內外市場策略性的布局甚至偏向學術性的研究我國需要的是策略性、市場性及前瞻性的經濟物種總原跟經濟物種基因管理的策略好\n\n03:07.489 --> 03:36.178\n下一頁我們這個經濟物種的種源跟基因收集我強調的種源包括基因的收集就能夠形成農業國際市場的獨佔比如說這個美國他掌握了白肉雞在這個蛋雞的部分就被這個荷蘭法國的企業掌握白蝦種就在墨西哥跟美國下位所以如果這個白雞白肉雞美國他如果在\n\n03:36.718 --> 03:57.234\n他的這個祖父袋或父母袋他不賣給臺灣那大概兩三年後我們也沒得買了只剩下我們的原生種那我們原生種相關的生產是弱化的是沒效率的好我請鮭魚不要動那個鮭魚的不是上一頁好\n\n04:05.090 --> 04:21.482\n經濟物種的部分總員的收集本席也用這樣表的來呈現從最上端的核心物總員到下面的主代總員到父母代親本跟商品單我就以單機為主他如果一隻機\n\n04:22.944 --> 04:26.808\n那他產生了85個主袋85隻雞這是純種喔85隻雞當中會父母袋他會有7500隻的純種7500隻的純種在商品袋就75萬隻的純種最後整個市場我掌握了3億枚的雞蛋\n\n04:39.344 --> 05:05.946\n好那國內的種源應用的問題是什麼管理分散且核心運用區間偏正在父母帶跟商品帶那我們進口這個父母帶跟商品帶的進來之後呢我們就會近親繁殖所以在國內就會變成我們的基因弱化抗病性弱還有反骨的問題會回到原來的物種的問題我就以白紗為例臺灣現在的種源幾乎都是弱化跟帶病菌的\n\n05:06.246 --> 05:26.556\n所以你只有補助或者就是讓他這個市場整個消滅掉好再下一頁好那就以鮭魚來講鮭魚本身是海放的他本來是海放的撈捕的漁業竟然在挪威這個大西洋鮭魚的產業是隨產養殖\n\n05:30.438 --> 05:56.366\n他占有領先的地位育種就是他不可缺的關鍵技術透過種源的收集及基因選拔技術能夠全面提升新品種各項性能好你看這張圖這張是美國羅約育種的公司在2000年以前叫做傳統育種就是我看的我目視他好的那我就讓他們配種在後面的2000年的10年他用基因來做輔助選拔\n\n05:57.586 --> 06:22.992\n最後的2011年到現在全面的用基因來選拔物種所以它花了20年的時間全面的以基因來選拔它的品種而且變成水養殖不是海放好另外下一個它也就因為這樣的育種選拔所以能夠讓16個月的生長期縮短為9個月它所代表的是什麼我更低的生產成本我較少的碳排放\n\n06:23.672 --> 06:35.862\n以及更低的飼養風險所以在您的檢報章中你說要碳匯、碳匯這就是碳匯你導入了智慧農業之後而且精準農業當中的育種你就能夠減少碳排放更值得我們驕傲的是什麼\n\n06:40.305 --> 06:40.325\n紐西蘭\n\n07:02.955 --> 07:19.586\n這個呢,這個奇異果它的種植面積並沒有大幅增加但是它創造更高的產量跟品系的發展關鍵就是它掌握的品、掌握的種源利用育種的技術來開發新品種它的特色有什麼?它能夠達到四項除了高品質、性能的選拔它還有吸引性、機能性跟風味的選拔包括黃金果啦什麼紅色黃金果啦黃色這個黃色紅色奇異果啊甚至它還可以\n\n07:32.014 --> 07:38.477\n到健康土壤在整個育種基因的這樣一個育種的情況之下他還能夠環境跟菌相的管理以及達到無化學殘留那這個就是他們利用掌握種源育種技術的精進好本席在這邊再舉一個案例臺灣可不可行呢精準農業\n\n07:55.965 --> 07:57.647\n來創造台灣的農業價值精準農業掌握物種種源以及基因科技的技術這個基因不是講基因改良而是把每一個物種把它的整個的足譜爬梳出來\n\n08:10.902 --> 08:35.101\n那整個主婦爬出來,優良的我們家語配對不是你看到好的結果他同父同母同父同樣的父母親那根本沒有辦法做育種還是要透過基因科技把他的整個主婦爬出來臺灣國土面積僅有36000平方公里大量生產的粗放型農業根本不適合小國寡民的農業出口也就是說今次\n\n08:35.862 --> 08:54.662\n高附加價值特定種苗的出口模式這種具關鍵技術掌握的農業外銷的模式是我國農業轉型的可評估性我們做不做得到我就以本期的選區高雄林園在這個石斑魚的部分如何能夠精準石斑魚的這個養殖我\n\n08:57.064 --> 09:11.453\n協助他們向速發部來爭取經費所以呢過往你看這個我們過往從腫瘀瘦菌染到這個瘀苗白生寸苗到成瘀過往我們都只有成瘀的出口我們現在在瘀苗這個時候就出口了\n\n09:12.173 --> 09:32.143\n我們在地的業者一個青龍他願意接受我的意見我也輔助他到速發部我沒有跟你們申請金我到速發部申請結果他的價值是翻倍木曜市場在哪裡馬來西亞好那本行的針對智慧農業的具體建議在我上一屆的時候已經講到農業決策數據平台連你們的決策都要數位化都要智慧化\n\n09:38.087 --> 10:04.549\n決策智慧化所以在這個決策數位平台當中應該納入智慧農業本席要求有這三項納入你的智慧決策數據平台第一個農業部建立國家農漁牧業的經濟物種及保育物種的種源及基因完整的資料庫並輔導針對目標市場進行的專利佈局我就以經濟物種跟保育物種我講到這個保育物種\n\n10:05.450 --> 10:24.345\n台灣我們都說梅花柱是台灣特有種但是不好意思它經過相關的基因體檢測之後多為外來種的基因因為長期沒有系統化的育種跟存化第二個本席的建議農業部應該參考前述的挪威跟紐西蘭的案例掌握種源行銷國際規劃國家農業經濟市場的布局\n\n10:29.349 --> 10:32.871\n最後整體策略發展因重視國內特有的小農經濟如何結合生物科技業者搭配國家的市場合作策略比如說新南向政策日韓東北亞的市場積極媒合以上部長你有什麼回應\n\n10:47.145 --> 11:07.384\n我先謝謝委員針對整個的一個相關於農業部部份的一個總緣的一個相關的議題我們現在農業部現在在處理的是一個剛才您講我們叫做數位的育種計畫那數位育種計畫基因的一個完整的資料庫是一個非常重要的所以我們未來大概會分為三個面向第一個面向就是技術的開發\n\n11:08.405 --> 11:26.043\n那技術的開發是針對你剛才所提到的基因的穩等資料庫基因的穩等資料庫每一個物種基因穩等資料庫建立可能3到5年短的話長的話可能10年但是我們會針對我們國內現有的這些重要的物種會先去著手會去做那第二個部分就是\n\n11:26.644 --> 11:27.425\n我講一個去年才發生的芒果鳳梨\n\n11:54.025 --> 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