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00:02:57,219\n都是在農會加保嗎?都是由鄉鎮農會辦理嗎?但是現在農民他們有疑慮的問題在於有時候他是投保A他可能想要轉移到B因為居住地的問題啊或者是其他相關的問題可是他們很擔心耶很擔心老農津貼他是不是有按照年資計算的\n\n8\n00:02:57,939 --> 00:03:12,811\n當他在A鄉鎮農會加保已經快要達這個年資的時候如果他移轉到B鄉鎮農會的時候那你怎麼樣子確保農民的這個權益?\n\n9\n00:03:15,970 --> 00:03:33,185\n我想跟委員說明就是他當他轉移的時候他只要符合資格的話後面的那個資料會連線他會接續的什麼時候開始連線因為其實我在就是說在民間的時候接受到非常多農民的這個陳情\n\n10\n00:03:34,286 --> 00:03:55,712\n他們很擔心他們不敢轉移因為他們擔心他轉移從A轉移到B鄉鎮農會的時候會造成他的投保年資重新計算那這個情況你怎麼確保當然你說現在是有勾肌你跟我說你什麼時候開始會連線鄉鎮農會的系統開始連線然後怎麼樣子確保農民在移轉鄉鎮農會加保的時候\n\n11\n00:04:03,874 --> 00:04:15,176\n不會損失他們的年資還有是不是後面的人再去把你們15億欠多少利息先查明清楚\n\n12\n00:04:15,967 --> 00:04:30,672\n拜訪委員,因為我們要加入農保,像以彰化縣而言,如果是在西州的農民,他彰化縣的農地都可以加入農保,而他是以戶籍地來加保,如果今天這個農民移到旁邊的\n\n13\n00:04:56,340 --> 00:05:21,898\n不是,現在不是勞保的那個系統可以攻擊而是他會擔心他從A轉移到B的時候那是不是中間的這個年資計算能不能馬上一次到位在他轉移的一開始就把他的年資轉移到那個就是B農會因為你如果沒有一開始轉移農民會因為不了解\n\n14\n00:05:24,840 --> 00:05:50,638\n他們會擔心對於我們這樣子的一個就是遷徙的自由可能會受到限制嗎?對不對?是可以所以我這個年資是不會有中斷的問題只要他馬上加保他就馬上接續那所以你是不是可以確保確保就是年資在一開始轉移的時候就會重新加緊最主要是擔心說他如果失去農保資格他換地方的話\n\n15\n00:05:51,198 --> 00:05:51,218\n﹚謝衣鳯﹚\n\n16\n00:06:14,563 --> 00:06:28,218\n不是要加強說明而是你要讓他們再移轉前就確保第一個先確保他的農保資格不會上失第二個你要讓他再移轉前他就可以清楚的了解嘛\n\n17\n00:06:53,290 --> 00:07:12,955\n第二個就是剛才你委員所提到利息農保的部分是460萬利息460萬是不是農食保是9.7萬好那還有現在在民間大家都認為很多民眾認為我們現在發展的漁電共生都是真重電假養魚\n\n18\n00:07:14,435 --> 00:07:34,333\n我想要請問你們漁電工生所產生的養殖的產值是多少以及你怎麼樣子讓民眾不會質疑就是我們的漁電工生是假養殖真重電對於我們發展漁電工生來講雖然我們希望\n\n19\n00:07:35,434 --> 00:07:35,494\n是不是?\n\n20\n00:07:48,925 --> 00:07:50,847\n那你們查核的標準是不是太低才會讓民眾我跟你講民眾跟我講的他們說\n\n21\n00:08:18,729 --> 00:08:20,690\n我非常認同委員的說明就是提醒\n\n22\n00:08:47,609 --> 00:09:02,110\n相對的我們農業部一定是以養殖為本綠能加值那我舉個例子我們查的強度非常強像我們在去年我如果沒有記錯的話我們查了16場其中不合格的9場我們就把它就把它撤照了\n\n23\n00:09:02,671 --> 00:09:03,091\n我認為為了解除民眾的疑慮\n\n24\n00:09:29,821 --> 00:09:44,773\n我覺得這也是相對的保障漁電共生業者的權利你要來投入這個產業的時候你必須要了解你就是增養值嘛你的產值要增加到什麼程度的時候然後\n\n25\n00:09:45,333 --> 00:10:07,151\n對於我們養殖的產值有辦法增加,然後才讓我們綠能加值嗎?是不是?我覺得你這個標準要出來,什麼時候可以出來?養殖的部分,室內的部分有可能增加,但是戶外的部分不可能增加。因為戶外的部分,它可能會稍微降低一點。\n\n26\n00:10:08,292 --> 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03:55.712\n他們很擔心他們不敢轉移因為他們擔心他轉移從A轉移到B鄉鎮農會的時候會造成他的投保年資重新計算那這個情況你怎麼確保當然你說現在是有勾肌你跟我說你什麼時候開始會連線鄉鎮農會的系統開始連線然後怎麼樣子確保農民在移轉鄉鎮農會加保的時候\n\n04:03.874 --> 04:15.176\n不會損失他們的年資還有是不是後面的人再去把你們15億欠多少利息先查明清楚\n\n04:15.967 --> 04:30.672\n拜訪委員,因為我們要加入農保,像以彰化縣而言,如果是在西州的農民,他彰化縣的農地都可以加入農保,而他是以戶籍地來加保,如果今天這個農民移到旁邊的\n\n04:56.340 --> 05:21.898\n不是,現在不是勞保的那個系統可以攻擊而是他會擔心他從A轉移到B的時候那是不是中間的這個年資計算能不能馬上一次到位在他轉移的一開始就把他的年資轉移到那個就是B農會因為你如果沒有一開始轉移農民會因為不了解\n\n05:24.840 --> 05:50.638\n他們會擔心對於我們這樣子的一個就是遷徙的自由可能會受到限制嗎?對不對?是可以所以我這個年資是不會有中斷的問題只要他馬上加保他就馬上接續那所以你是不是可以確保確保就是年資在一開始轉移的時候就會重新加緊最主要是擔心說他如果失去農保資格他換地方的話\n\n05:51.198 --> 05:51.218\n﹚謝衣鳯﹚\n\n06:14.563 --> 06:28.218\n不是要加強說明而是你要讓他們再移轉前就確保第一個先確保他的農保資格不會上失第二個你要讓他再移轉前他就可以清楚的了解嘛\n\n06:53.290 --> 07:12.955\n第二個就是剛才你委員所提到利息農保的部分是460萬利息460萬是不是農食保是9.7萬好那還有現在在民間大家都認為很多民眾認為我們現在發展的漁電共生都是真重電假養魚\n\n07:14.435 --> 07:34.333\n我想要請問你們漁電工生所產生的養殖的產值是多少以及你怎麼樣子讓民眾不會質疑就是我們的漁電工生是假養殖真重電對於我們發展漁電工生來講雖然我們希望\n\n07:35.434 --> 07:35.494\n是不是?\n\n07:48.925 --> 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