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00:00:06,799\n主席吳主委主委長\n\n2\n00:00:17,435 --> 00:00:41,981\n我想你也是工程界的尖兵那其實我今天要談的主要我個人的看法公共工程在整個所有台灣裡面不管是地方政府、中央政府所有的公共工程確確實實工程會是有存在之必要\n\n3\n00:00:43,223 --> 00:01:04,002\n主委你認同嗎我認同好不要人心惶惶坐在這裡包括處長包括副主委包括所有工作同仁什麼時候要被裁撤都不曉得所以習委員剛才所講的基本上本席也非常贊成\n\n4\n00:01:05,239 --> 00:01:24,905\n但是有一點主委在這裡主管的這些契約公共工程的這些品質還有爭議最後解釋法律的這三大立場基本上主委你們現在是變成孤兒欸\n\n5\n00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:47,992\n1999年到確定要診病但是在主改的過程當中大家可以看經濟部人員增加交通部人員增加農委會改為農委部環保署改為環保部內政部新成立的數位部請問主委\n\n6\n00:01:50,253 --> 00:02:11,369\n你不覺得主改孤兒就是工程會我要聽聽主委你要拿出你的專業還有擔當告訴我們在主改過程當中不能成為孤兒基本上這個是有必要的主委你可以回答我為什麼\n\n7\n00:02:12,835 --> 00:02:28,364\n我非常謝謝委員對這方面的見解看得非常的清楚今天工程會的這個存在那麼確實有很多跨部會的事情還有相關的協調的事情\n\n8\n00:02:29,232 --> 00:02:29,953\n該爭取的該表態的你還是要表態\n\n9\n00:02:59,036 --> 00:03:24,474\n剛剛習委員跟你詢問的時候你說我個人意願你個人意願不再戲任最起碼的話你要講真心話讓主改知道真正怎麼改才是正確這一點我想我建議這個主委啊你要有擔當把真心話講出來不要因為你現在是為官就不把真心話講出來這一點我想主改\n\n10\n00:03:25,676 --> 00:03:53,447\n我想多數委員都認為工程會存在是有必要的那另外一個剛剛主委又講到基隆市政府LATER的問題我說實在雖然這是一個促參條例而產生但是不要忘了促參條例通通要有合約有合約就跟我們工程會有關所以這個部分我還是建議主委\n\n11\n00:03:54,167 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那主委我也同意啦 這個把它釐清到底是只有工地主任或者是經理人或者是要包括下包廠商這點我希望你給我辦公室一個回覆好不好好那接下來啊因為有時候主委我說實在來你看一下接下來看一下\n公共工程我現在舉例啦因為你主管這個公共工程我舉例你現在看圖片引理輪背箱衛生手他的工程案已經流保死8次欸那像我們旺大縣8次那那個環傳縣5次或桃園的捷運這個5次那你知道這是什麼原因嗎\n對於流標的問題工程會也非常的發很大的心思在上面那麼都會去了解那我們了解之後啊\n我們覺得從結果來看現在是百分之平均91%以上是都可以提票出去的一成以下才流標那那個流標的問題尤其大工程比較多小工程比較少偏鄉多都市比較少這個部分我們都個案去了解了解之後\n主委這個我拜託因為我時間已經到我希望我希望您把這個研究的結果把通案提供給我們本會的委員去做參考因為這個是跟公共工程這整個有關的這點拜託您一下可以嗎好謝謝你謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.835 --> 00:06.799\n主席吳主委主委長\n\n00:17.435 --> 00:41.981\n我想你也是工程界的尖兵那其實我今天要談的主要我個人的看法公共工程在整個所有台灣裡面不管是地方政府、中央政府所有的公共工程確確實實工程會是有存在之必要\n\n00:43.223 --> 01:04.002\n主委你認同嗎我認同好不要人心惶惶坐在這裡包括處長包括副主委包括所有工作同仁什麼時候要被裁撤都不曉得所以習委員剛才所講的基本上本席也非常贊成\n\n01:05.239 --> 01:24.905\n但是有一點主委在這裡主管的這些契約公共工程的這些品質還有爭議最後解釋法律的這三大立場基本上主委你們現在是變成孤兒欸\n\n01:27.600 --> 01:47.992\n1999年到確定要診病但是在主改的過程當中大家可以看經濟部人員增加交通部人員增加農委會改為農委部環保署改為環保部內政部新成立的數位部請問主委\n\n01:50.253 --> 02:11.369\n你不覺得主改孤兒就是工程會我要聽聽主委你要拿出你的專業還有擔當告訴我們在主改過程當中不能成為孤兒基本上這個是有必要的主委你可以回答我為什麼\n\n02:12.835 --> 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