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00:02:52,159\n王育敏議員\n\n10\n00:03:10,834 --> 00:03:29,473\n到什麼樣的程度才叫做高風險如果以過去蘇丹紅他就已經是大家違反偏家的一個工業原料的話為什麼去年沒有一開始就針對這樣子採取一個更嚴格的措施那你所謂的高風險要到什麼程度才叫高風險\n\n11\n00:03:30,414 --> 00:03:30,635\n本席要求\n\n12\n00:03:51,195 --> 00:03:51,495\n王育敏議員\n\n13\n00:04:09,642 --> 00:04:10,703\n所以像蘇丹紅色我們就會把它列進來\n\n14\n00:04:29,991 --> 00:04:40,938\n好本席要求齁另外一個我發現是你們的查驗人力根本也不足啦坦白講你們在報告裡面呢110年就告訴大家說你們邊境人量增加21人這個這個麻煩署長看一下齁你們說要增加這個21人結果呢你們到目前為止5年只增加一個人我不知道問題出在哪裡欸\n\n15\n00:04:56,327 --> 00:05:19,876\n現在只有82個人我本期這個數字有錯嗎?你們本來是81個人經過了這幾年也只增加一個人那你人力不足你怎麼強化你的查驗的力度呢?人都加到哪裡去了?還是行政院不給錢?食藥署有沒有什麼委屈?為什麼你的人力沒有辦法到位?正式人力確實是如果有機會也希望可以增加\n\n16\n00:05:21,403 --> 00:05:43,875\n從110年到現在我覺得這個行政院也太不重視了吧我們還成立食安辦那個徐副主任你們食安辦沒有用力爭取嗎我們現在從蘇丹紅事件發現我們的邊境查驗是多麼重要的事情每一位委員都要求要加強提高這個抽驗比例結果你的人力五年來只增加一個人\n\n17\n00:05:44,875 --> 00:05:57,977\n那你怎麼增加你的抽驗比例徐副主任你代表行政院為什麼不能給衛福部這一個邊境查驗的人力這個對外說說得很好聽要增加21名結果只有增加一個人\n\n18\n00:06:03,968 --> 00:06:16,941\n本席要求一定要補足人力要不然你讓第一線的查驗人員他怎麼辦每一個人都要求查驗的比例增加然後他加班加到爆肝結果也達不到啊因為人就是不足啊部長\n\n19\n00:06:18,262 --> 00:06:42,782\n這部分的話第一個正式人力我們會再來跟院這邊來爭取那博偉也跟委員報告非正式人力在110年我們是80人那113年我們預計會達到97人但是他屬於非正式人力這一定是要正式人力因為國人對於食安的要求這些查驗人力不可以是用臨時的人你絕對是要正式的編制這是本席的要求\n\n20\n00:06:43,362 --> 00:06:57,088\n另外這次事件也凸顯兩岸在食安的合作上面有沒有通報機制的重要性本席手上有這個零食這個是對岸的零食現在很多小朋友也很喜歡吃那這一次從我們進口的辣椒粉發現有這麼嚴重的添加蘇丹紅的問題\n\n21\n00:07:05,051 --> 00:07:32,830\n那表示說對岸他們在原料生產上面有些東西是有疑慮的我請問包括這次的三合制藥我們查到了剛剛部長說我們不能從源頭去查場但你有告訴對岸說你哪幾家是有問題的嗎有通報嗎然後由他們再往下他們自己的食品也要去把關啊因為我們現在在臺灣也買得到大陸的這種零食啊那如果這個沒有守好的話這個兩岸的這個食安是會互相影響的\n\n22\n00:07:33,990 --> 00:08:00,667\n這報言我們是有對對岸來做通報有通報是不是那目前包括高雄那三家也是山河製藥嗎還是另外一家他工廠是不一樣但是好像地址是一樣都是山河製藥是另外一家中國那邊的是另外一家不過好像是地址是一樣\n\n23\n00:08:01,243 --> 00:08:02,812\n同一個地址不同的名稱嗎?台灣的部份\n\n24\n00:08:06,068 --> 00:08:29,757\n對,那大陸,我現在要知道是說從大陸進來的這個這幾批,你們說21批有問題的,是只有三合製藥這一家有問題,還是還有其他家的這個製造廠也是有問題?進口商是包括三合啦,也包括加廣還有金站吧,有這幾家啦,這是進口商啦,但是那個製造商是\n\n25\n00:08:33,478 --> 00:08:36,840\n目前為止還有沒有中國大陸進口的其他廠商?就是說不同的製造廠一樣是辣椒粉進到台灣的,還有沒有?\n\n26\n00:08:57,987 --> 00:09:16,688\n有21家的製造廠目前有21家那個被我們禁掉全部有42家你禁掉21家合格的是有21家那不合格的21家都是各21家那這合格的21家你們是百分之百抽驗嗎?\n\n27\n00:09:18,434 --> 00:09:36,939\n對,到後面都是...所有的辣椒粉的進口,你們都已經是百分之百抽菸?我們後市場的也繼續都在抽菸當中,那其實我們這百分之百抽菸不是只有針對中國,是...所有的,世界各國,只要是辣椒粉品項,你們現在都是百分之百的抽菸嗎?對不對?\n\n28\n00:09:38,499 --> 00:09:53,495\n好那另外一個本席要問的是食品雲我們的食品雲現在的登錄到底是怎麼回事這個本席辦公室去查現在查到的比如說像這個蝦味仙他們提供的資訊都是2017年的\n\n29\n00:09:56,118 --> 00:10:17,136\n然後蔡博變就看不出個所以然,寄生公司送檢的資訊也沒有更新也不明確所以現在到底我們整個的食品雲的登錄落實的程度怎麼樣?109年監察院說食品雲只有2%的業者建立追蹤追溯系統那請問現在是幾%?到目前為止登錄了幾%?\n\n30\n00:10:21,107 --> 00:10:22,448\n109年監察院指出來只有2%\n\n31\n00:10:29,403 --> 00:10:40,189\n那你們目前掌握到底已經登錄了幾趴?而且他們的資訊都沒有更新喔這個是當時我們在討論食安問題食品雲也花了非常多錢來建置那後續的整個管理我覺得這個部分衛福部真的要加強\n\n32\n00:10:57,739 --> 00:11:18,951\n這部分的話目前登記上去的是有一萬多家一萬多家的廠商其實食品營這是有兩個部分一個就是說我們還是會持續鼓勵這個廠商進來登記那他的這個訊息的更新我們可能也必須要定期要去這一個去檢核\n\n33\n00:11:21,813 --> 00:11:48,724\n另外的話就是有一些對一般民眾的那這應該要有一個從這邊這一個能夠出來是比較userfriendly的對你們現在這個部分都做得不好所以一般消費者要去查詢其實很難用那這個部分本是要求你們針對食品與的登錄要提高他的那個登錄的這個加速另外從消費者端他查詢也應該是要讓他們更方便來查詢而且要求\n\n34\n00:11:51,546 --> 00:11:51,967\n王育敏議員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6023\t6223\t主席\n15399\t31705\t部長好我想今天本席安排有關於蘇丹紅這個食安事件的一個檢討主要就是看到這次的事件確確實實就是一個系統性的食安問題從邊境長驅直入進到臺灣之後然後因為它是原料型的食品長驅直入直接擴散到每一個下游\n40648\t64347\t現在包括這個零食夏蕙仙還有包括連這個這個咖哩粉還有就是這個知名的海底撈火鍋店通通都中標還有我們的一些咖哩粉有部分的食品還輸出到國外所以這一次的這個事情不容小覷因為查到目前為止剛剛部長你也說還在查\n68190\t89566\t還沒有結束所以這次食安風暴本期看起來其實是大的那我認為這次食安風暴會這麼大第一個就是我們的邊境沒有守好他就是從邊境闖進來的我問一下部長事實上你們的報告已經提到了在去年5月就發現了第一起蘇丹紅但是當時你們做了什麼去年5月你們發現的時候做了什麼\n93387\t96911\t那原來進口的這家廠商你有去做加強針對這個進口原料廠的一個查驗或者是加研他的措施嗎?剛剛你有回答21批當中現在發現的在去年5月有同一家是哪一家?\n114972\t119095\t所以他們去年就被發現進口進來的有問題了?那結果你們做了什麼?\n132518\t147267\t因為我們大概不太可能跑到中國去對於這一個原料廠去做查核所以當然就是針對的是這一個我們的進口廠商來做加強抽屁的一個動作\n148188\t153290\t因為我覺得在去年你們發現第一起這個蘇丹紅事件的時候你們應該就要有所示警那看起來去年你們僅針對從20%到50%這個就是不夠的所以你看你如果現在往回頭看你是到3月1號才宣布說一驗到有問題就全面禁止輸入\n172099\t172159\t王育敏議員\n190834\t209473\t到什麼樣的程度才叫做高風險如果以過去蘇丹紅他就已經是大家違反偏家的一個工業原料的話為什麼去年沒有一開始就針對這樣子採取一個更嚴格的措施那你所謂的高風險要到什麼程度才叫高風險\n210414\t210635\t本席要求\n231195\t231495\t王育敏議員\n249642\t250703\t所以像蘇丹紅色我們就會把它列進來\n269991\t280938\t好 本席要求齁 另外一個 我發現是你們的查驗人力根本也不足啦 坦白講 你們在報告裡面呢 110年就告訴大家說你們邊境人量增加21人 這個 這個麻煩署長看一下齁 你們說要增加這個21人 結果呢 你們到目前為止5年只增加一個人 我不知道問題出在哪裡欸\n296327\t319876\t現在只有82個人我本期這個數字有錯嗎?你們本來是81個人經過了這幾年也只增加一個人那你人力不足你怎麼強化你的查驗的力度呢?人都加到哪裡去了?還是行政院不給錢?食藥署有沒有什麼委屈?為什麼你的人力沒有辦法到位?正式人力確實是如果有機會也希望可以增加\n321403\t343875\t從110年到現在 我覺得這個行政院也太不重視了吧我們還成立食安辦 那個徐副主任你們食安辦沒有用力爭取嗎我們現在從蘇丹紅事件發現我們的邊境查驗是多麼重要的事情每一位委員都要求要加強提高這個抽驗比例結果你的人力五年來只增加一個人\n344875\t357977\t那你怎麼增加你的抽驗比例徐副主任你代表行政院為什麼不能給衛福部這一個邊境查驗的人力這個對外說說得很好聽要增加21名結果只有增加一個人\n363968\t376941\t本席要求一定要補足人力要不然你讓第一線的查驗人員他怎麼辦每一個人都要求查驗的比例增加然後他加班加到爆肝結果也達不到啊因為人就是不足啊部長\n378262\t402782\t這部分的話第一個正式人力我們會再來跟院這邊來爭取那博偉也跟委員報告非正式人力在110年我們是80人那113年我們預計會達到97人但是他屬於非正式人力這一定是要正式人力因為國人對於食安的要求這些查驗人力不可以是用臨時的人你絕對是要正式的編制這是本席的要求\n403362\t417088\t另外這次事件也凸顯兩岸在食安的合作上面有沒有通報機制的重要性本席手上有這個零食這個是對岸的零食現在很多小朋友也很喜歡吃那這一次從我們進口的辣椒粉發現有這麼嚴重的添加蘇丹紅的問題\n425051\t452830\t那表示說對岸他們在原料生產上面有些東西是有疑慮的我請問包括這次的三合制藥我們查到了剛剛部長說我們不能從源頭去查場但你有告訴對岸說你哪幾家是有問題的嗎有通報嗎然後由他們再往下他們自己的食品也要去把關啊因為我們現在在臺灣也買得到大陸的這種零食啊那如果這個沒有守好的話這個兩岸的這個食安是會互相影響的\n453990\t480667\t這報言我們是有對對岸來做通報有通報是不是那目前包括高雄那三家也是山河製藥嗎還是另外一家他工廠是不一樣但是好像地址是一樣都是山河製藥是另外一家中國那邊的是另外一家不過好像是地址是一樣\n481243\t482812\t同一個地址不同的名稱嗎?台灣的部份\n486068\t509757\t對,那大陸,我現在要知道是說從大陸進來的這個這幾批,你們說21批有問題的,是只有三合製藥這一家有問題,還是還有其他家的這個製造廠也是有問題?進口商是包括三合啦,也包括加廣還有金站吧,有這幾家啦,這是進口商啦,但是那個製造商是\n513478\t516840\t目前為止還有沒有中國大陸進口的其他廠商?就是說不同的製造廠一樣是辣椒粉進到台灣的,還有沒有?\n537987\t556688\t有21家的製造廠目前有21家那個被我們禁掉全部有42家你禁掉21家合格的是有21家那不合格的21家都是各21家那這合格的21家你們是百分之百抽驗嗎?\n558434\t576939\t對,到後面都是...所有的辣椒粉的進口,你們都已經是百分之百抽菸?我們後市場的也繼續都在抽菸當中,那其實我們這百分之百抽菸不是只有針對中國,是...所有的,世界各國,只要是辣椒粉品項,你們現在都是百分之百的抽菸嗎?對不對?\n578499\t593495\t好 那另外一個本席要問的是食品雲我們的食品雲現在的登錄到底是怎麼回事這個本席辦公室去查現在查到的比如說像這個蝦味仙他們提供的資訊都是2017年的\n596118\t617136\t然後蔡博變就看不出個所以然,寄生公司送檢的資訊也沒有更新也不明確所以現在到底我們整個的食品雲的登錄落實的程度怎麼樣?109年監察院說食品雲只有2%的業者建立追蹤追溯系統那請問現在是幾%?到目前為止登錄了幾%?\n621107\t622448\t109年監察院指出來只有2%\n629403\t640189\t那你們目前掌握到底已經登錄了幾趴?而且他們的資訊都沒有更新喔這個是當時我們在討論食安問題食品雲也花了非常多錢來建置那後續的整個管理我覺得這個部分衛福部真的要加強\n657739\t678951\t這部分的話目前登記上去的是有一萬多家一萬多家的廠商其實食品營這是有兩個部分一個就是說我們還是會持續鼓勵這個廠商進來登記那他的這個訊息的更新我們可能也必須要定期要去這一個去檢核\n681813\t708724\t另外的話就是有一些對一般民眾的那這應該要有一個從這邊這一個能夠出來是比較user friendly的對你們現在這個部分都做得不好所以一般消費者要去查詢其實很難用那這個部分本是要求你們針對食品與的登錄要提高他的那個登錄的這個加速另外從消費者端他查詢也應該是要讓他們更方便來查詢而且要求\n711546\t711967\t王育敏議員\n","txt":"主席\n部長好我想今天本席安排有關於蘇丹紅這個食安事件的一個檢討主要就是看到這次的事件確確實實就是一個系統性的食安問題從邊境長驅直入進到臺灣之後然後因為它是原料型的食品長驅直入直接擴散到每一個下游\n現在包括這個零食夏蕙仙還有包括連這個這個咖哩粉還有就是這個知名的海底撈火鍋店通通都中標還有我們的一些咖哩粉有部分的食品還輸出到國外所以這一次的這個事情不容小覷因為查到目前為止剛剛部長你也說還在查\n還沒有結束所以這次食安風暴本期看起來其實是大的那我認為這次食安風暴會這麼大第一個就是我們的邊境沒有守好他就是從邊境闖進來的我問一下部長事實上你們的報告已經提到了在去年5月就發現了第一起蘇丹紅但是當時你們做了什麼去年5月你們發現的時候做了什麼\n那原來進口的這家廠商你有去做加強針對這個進口原料廠的一個查驗或者是加研他的措施嗎?剛剛你有回答21批當中現在發現的在去年5月有同一家是哪一家?\n所以他們去年就被發現進口進來的有問題了?那結果你們做了什麼?\n因為我們大概不太可能跑到中國去對於這一個原料廠去做查核所以當然就是針對的是這一個我們的進口廠商來做加強抽屁的一個動作\n因為我覺得在去年你們發現第一起這個蘇丹紅事件的時候你們應該就要有所示警那看起來去年你們僅針對從20%到50%這個就是不夠的所以你看你如果現在往回頭看你是到3月1號才宣布說一驗到有問題就全面禁止輸入\n王育敏議員\n到什麼樣的程度才叫做高風險如果以過去蘇丹紅他就已經是大家違反偏家的一個工業原料的話為什麼去年沒有一開始就針對這樣子採取一個更嚴格的措施那你所謂的高風險要到什麼程度才叫高風險\n本席要求\n王育敏議員\n所以像蘇丹紅色我們就會把它列進來\n好 本席要求齁 另外一個 我發現是你們的查驗人力根本也不足啦 坦白講 你們在報告裡面呢 110年就告訴大家說你們邊境人量增加21人 這個 這個麻煩署長看一下齁 你們說要增加這個21人 結果呢 你們到目前為止5年只增加一個人 我不知道問題出在哪裡欸\n現在只有82個人我本期這個數字有錯嗎?你們本來是81個人經過了這幾年也只增加一個人那你人力不足你怎麼強化你的查驗的力度呢?人都加到哪裡去了?還是行政院不給錢?食藥署有沒有什麼委屈?為什麼你的人力沒有辦法到位?正式人力確實是如果有機會也希望可以增加\n從110年到現在 我覺得這個行政院也太不重視了吧我們還成立食安辦 那個徐副主任你們食安辦沒有用力爭取嗎我們現在從蘇丹紅事件發現我們的邊境查驗是多麼重要的事情每一位委員都要求要加強提高這個抽驗比例結果你的人力五年來只增加一個人\n那你怎麼增加你的抽驗比例徐副主任你代表行政院為什麼不能給衛福部這一個邊境查驗的人力這個對外說說得很好聽要增加21名結果只有增加一個人\n本席要求一定要補足人力要不然你讓第一線的查驗人員他怎麼辦每一個人都要求查驗的比例增加然後他加班加到爆肝結果也達不到啊因為人就是不足啊部長\n這部分的話第一個正式人力我們會再來跟院這邊來爭取那博偉也跟委員報告非正式人力在110年我們是80人那113年我們預計會達到97人但是他屬於非正式人力這一定是要正式人力因為國人對於食安的要求這些查驗人力不可以是用臨時的人你絕對是要正式的編制這是本席的要求\n另外這次事件也凸顯兩岸在食安的合作上面有沒有通報機制的重要性本席手上有這個零食這個是對岸的零食現在很多小朋友也很喜歡吃那這一次從我們進口的辣椒粉發現有這麼嚴重的添加蘇丹紅的問題\n那表示說對岸他們在原料生產上面有些東西是有疑慮的我請問包括這次的三合制藥我們查到了剛剛部長說我們不能從源頭去查場但你有告訴對岸說你哪幾家是有問題的嗎有通報嗎然後由他們再往下他們自己的食品也要去把關啊因為我們現在在臺灣也買得到大陸的這種零食啊那如果這個沒有守好的話這個兩岸的這個食安是會互相影響的\n這報言我們是有對對岸來做通報有通報是不是那目前包括高雄那三家也是山河製藥嗎還是另外一家他工廠是不一樣但是好像地址是一樣都是山河製藥是另外一家中國那邊的是另外一家不過好像是地址是一樣\n同一個地址不同的名稱嗎?台灣的部份\n對,那大陸,我現在要知道是說從大陸進來的這個這幾批,你們說21批有問題的,是只有三合製藥這一家有問題,還是還有其他家的這個製造廠也是有問題?進口商是包括三合啦,也包括加廣還有金站吧,有這幾家啦,這是進口商啦,但是那個製造商是\n目前為止還有沒有中國大陸進口的其他廠商?就是說不同的製造廠一樣是辣椒粉進到台灣的,還有沒有?\n有21家的製造廠目前有21家那個被我們禁掉全部有42家你禁掉21家合格的是有21家那不合格的21家都是各21家那這合格的21家你們是百分之百抽驗嗎?\n對,到後面都是...所有的辣椒粉的進口,你們都已經是百分之百抽菸?我們後市場的也繼續都在抽菸當中,那其實我們這百分之百抽菸不是只有針對中國,是...所有的,世界各國,只要是辣椒粉品項,你們現在都是百分之百的抽菸嗎?對不對?\n好 那另外一個本席要問的是食品雲我們的食品雲現在的登錄到底是怎麼回事這個本席辦公室去查現在查到的比如說像這個蝦味仙他們提供的資訊都是2017年的\n然後蔡博變就看不出個所以然,寄生公司送檢的資訊也沒有更新也不明確所以現在到底我們整個的食品雲的登錄落實的程度怎麼樣?109年監察院說食品雲只有2%的業者建立追蹤追溯系統那請問現在是幾%?到目前為止登錄了幾%?\n109年監察院指出來只有2%\n那你們目前掌握到底已經登錄了幾趴?而且他們的資訊都沒有更新喔這個是當時我們在討論食安問題食品雲也花了非常多錢來建置那後續的整個管理我覺得這個部分衛福部真的要加強\n這部分的話目前登記上去的是有一萬多家一萬多家的廠商其實食品營這是有兩個部分一個就是說我們還是會持續鼓勵這個廠商進來登記那他的這個訊息的更新我們可能也必須要定期要去這一個去檢核\n另外的話就是有一些對一般民眾的那這應該要有一個從這邊這一個能夠出來是比較user friendly的對你們現在這個部分都做得不好所以一般消費者要去查詢其實很難用那這個部分本是要求你們針對食品與的登錄要提高他的那個登錄的這個加速另外從消費者端他查詢也應該是要讓他們更方便來查詢而且要求\n王育敏議員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.023 --> 00:06.223\n主席\n\n00:15.399 --> 00:31.705\n部長好我想今天本席安排有關於蘇丹紅這個食安事件的一個檢討主要就是看到這次的事件確確實實就是一個系統性的食安問題從邊境長驅直入進到臺灣之後然後因為它是原料型的食品長驅直入直接擴散到每一個下游\n\n00:40.648 --> 01:04.347\n現在包括這個零食夏蕙仙還有包括連這個這個咖哩粉還有就是這個知名的海底撈火鍋店通通都中標還有我們的一些咖哩粉有部分的食品還輸出到國外所以這一次的這個事情不容小覷因為查到目前為止剛剛部長你也說還在查\n\n01:08.190 --> 01:29.566\n還沒有結束所以這次食安風暴本期看起來其實是大的那我認為這次食安風暴會這麼大第一個就是我們的邊境沒有守好他就是從邊境闖進來的我問一下部長事實上你們的報告已經提到了在去年5月就發現了第一起蘇丹紅但是當時你們做了什麼去年5月你們發現的時候做了什麼\n\n01:33.387 --> 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本席要求齁 另外一個 我發現是你們的查驗人力根本也不足啦 坦白講 你們在報告裡面呢 110年就告訴大家說你們邊境人量增加21人 這個 這個麻煩署長看一下齁 你們說要增加這個21人 結果呢 你們到目前為止5年只增加一個人 我不知道問題出在哪裡欸"},{"start":296.327,"end":319.876,"text":"現在只有82個人我本期這個數字有錯嗎?你們本來是81個人經過了這幾年也只增加一個人那你人力不足你怎麼強化你的查驗的力度呢?人都加到哪裡去了?還是行政院不給錢?食藥署有沒有什麼委屈?為什麼你的人力沒有辦法到位?正式人力確實是如果有機會也希望可以增加"},{"start":321.403,"end":343.875,"text":"從110年到現在 我覺得這個行政院也太不重視了吧我們還成立食安辦 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那另外一個本席要問的是食品雲我們的食品雲現在的登錄到底是怎麼回事這個本席辦公室去查現在查到的比如說像這個蝦味仙他們提供的資訊都是2017年的"},{"start":596.118,"end":617.136,"text":"然後蔡博變就看不出個所以然,寄生公司送檢的資訊也沒有更新也不明確所以現在到底我們整個的食品雲的登錄落實的程度怎麼樣?109年監察院說食品雲只有2%的業者建立追蹤追溯系統那請問現在是幾%?到目前為止登錄了幾%?"},{"start":621.107,"end":622.448,"text":"109年監察院指出來只有2%"},{"start":629.403,"end":640.189,"text":"那你們目前掌握到底已經登錄了幾趴?而且他們的資訊都沒有更新喔這個是當時我們在討論食安問題食品雲也花了非常多錢來建置那後續的整個管理我覺得這個部分衛福部真的要加強"},{"start":657.739,"end":678.951,"text":"這部分的話目前登記上去的是有一萬多家一萬多家的廠商其實食品營這是有兩個部分一個就是說我們還是會持續鼓勵這個廠商進來登記那他的這個訊息的更新我們可能也必須要定期要去這一個去檢核"},{"start":681.813,"end":708.724,"text":"另外的話就是有一些對一般民眾的那這應該要有一個從這邊這一個能夠出來是比較user friendly的對你們現在這個部分都做得不好所以一般消費者要去查詢其實很難用那這個部分本是要求你們針對食品與的登錄要提高他的那個登錄的這個加速另外從消費者端他查詢也應該是要讓他們更方便來查詢而且要求"},{"start":711.546,"end":711.967,"text":"王育敏議員"}]}}}}