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及機敏資訊的部分，我們會請學者專家一起來指導……"],["張委員智倫：我請教一下管主委……"],["管主任委員碧玲：未來我們一定盡所有的努力，避免事情再度發生。"],["張委員智倫：如果又發生大陸的艦艇登到我國的船艦，不管是旅遊船或任何船艦上的時候，請問主委你要怎麼反應？如何確保兩岸的安全跟人民的安全？"],["管主任委員碧玲：跟委員報告，其實中國的公務船對我國民船的登檢，這是非常特別的案例，多半都是發生在政治爭議的高峰，譬如演習的時候，或者是像這次事件發生的時候的一個政治性作為，所以遇到這樣政治性作為的登檢，海巡署本來就有一個處理的原則。因此當天我所說的，我們第一時間會請它在安全的範圍之內，能夠不要停留、跟我們對開，讓我們趕快能夠接近在兩船的中間，這確實就是海巡署所律定對於這樣的一個政治爭議事件當中的登檢行為的SOP。"],["張委員智倫：好，謝謝主委，謝謝你的分享，因為我最後只剩10秒鐘，我最後要拜託你，根據我剛剛提出來的，我們海巡弟兄的密錄器，過去一台是採購3,000塊，可不可以提供本席相關的採購合約以及到底是哪一國製的？未來你們要如何去汰換，以及現在新的3,061台的缺口，是不是也可以提供本席有關的採購合約以及是哪一國製的？"],["管主任委員碧玲：好的。"],["張委員智倫：以確保我們這些海巡第一線的弟兄們，他們在執勤的時候可以安全無慮，而且有資安上的放心。"],["管主任委員碧玲：我們以最快的時間提供給委員。"],["張委員智倫：好，謝謝。"],["管主任委員碧玲：謝謝。"],["主席：非常謝謝張智倫委員的質詢，也謝謝管主委。","現在離10點半還有10分鐘，我們先讓大家休息一下，10點半我們就來處理臨時提案，謝謝。","休息（10時26分）","繼續開會（10時49分）"],["主席：現在大家都回到座位上了，大家辛苦了。主席宣布一下，臨時提案總共有4案，剛剛在經過各黨團的協調之後，召委也接受大家的意見，我們就暫緩處理臨時提案，現在繼續我們的答詢。","請黃建賓委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":328,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-15-2","speakers":["高金素梅","傅崐萁","陳雪生","王美惠","洪孟楷","蘇巧慧","李柏毅","麥玉珍","徐欣瑩","丁學忠","許宇甄","張智倫","黃建賓","牛煦庭","張宏陸","黃捷","吳琪銘","沈伯洋","羅智強","賴士葆","吳沛憶","李坤城","鄭天財Sra 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00:02:23,704\n在捍衛海巡的立場的情況之下我真的是跟委員誠懇的拜託就是說如果我們都支持海巡請大家也要支持海巡來更改這個名稱我們都非常支持這個海巡兄弟的信號我們針對的是您當時不管是跟昭緯的溝通及擅自修改專案報告的標題而且這是開立法院的首例\n\n8\n00:02:28,505 --> 00:02:32,650\n我們不希望這個惡例一直持續下去喔!那最後我要跟…\n\n9\n00:02:47,186 --> 00:03:02,108\n最後要跟管主委請教我們這次主要做內政委員會的專題報告也是希望管主委可以藉由這次專案報告的機會跟國人來說明這次驚嚇事件的始末而且尤其大家關心的兩岸的議題\n\n10\n00:03:03,129 --> 00:03:25,027\n那管主委我覺得您這次使用不管是用臉書或是傳簡訊私下給我們的主委其實我覺得個人認為是非常的不妥我認為很多的事情不應該留為政治的口水那以及我今天早上才收到這一封的這個我們黨團給我的資料我們一直想要跟您請問的是說您在簡訊中提到說\n\n11\n00:03:27,955 --> 00:03:45,910\n謝謝昭偉海巡署極為辛苦原住民同仁所佔的比例在原住民部落區域的單位所佔的比例為而不低那您這樣的簡訊內容那我們的昭偉也跟我們分享說這讓他覺得心裡非常的不舒服請問你是不是想要用這個利益交換來讓我們同意說這個專案報告的主題做一個更改\n\n12\n00:03:51,454 --> 00:04:02,126\n第一個,一個是邏輯上的錯誤,因為交委已經接受了合幣再交換,所以這是邏輯上的錯誤。邏輯上的,喔,不重要的,因為交委是原住民的委員,交委是廣大原住民支持及下交換,原住民的\n\n13\n00:04:09,173 --> 00:04:20,740\n原住民的同仁在海巡署的特勤組所佔的比例高達17%最辛苦的工作當中原住民的同仁他們所佔的比例非常的高這件事情絕對是張委員非常支持的事情\n\n14\n00:04:27,664 --> 00:04:34,612\n讓人家不免會接受到訊息的人﹐感覺到非常的不同﹐不會﹐因為已經﹐已經接受﹐已經接受上期量產﹐還有這個質詢﹐粉絲應該要律理全部主權﹐所以是不是本席在這邊再給你一次機會﹐\n\n15\n00:04:44,463 --> 00:04:47,685\n我充分的表達這件事情我對昭緯有失禮我也充分的表達我應該受指責而且我願意受指責謝謝委員\n\n16\n00:05:05,338 --> 00:05:32,975\n好謝謝管主委您辛苦了那接下來我要來質詢的部分就是我們現在國人非常重視的一個議題就是這次金夏事件我們海巡署第一線的人員其實非常的辛苦大家知道現在金夏的海域常常發生衝突可是我覺得讓國人所嘩然的部分是我們海巡沒有常常發生衝突我想這邊要請你回答的是說在這次的衝突之間我們海巡人員在發生這是一個事故\n\n17\n00:05:34,016 --> 00:05:47,392\n好這個事故我們想要了解的是說造成兩死兩傷的結果那為什麼沒有任何的蒐證的記錄跟設備我想請問管主委是說您可以在這邊分享一下到底有沒有蒐證的設備及記錄\n\n18\n00:05:49,754 --> 00:06:03,917\n第一,當天我們秘錄器是夠用的,但是當天這艘船它本身的配備就是一個V8,所以他們有帶V8出去執勤,而且它不是接到案子以後從附近出去,它是在海上,已經在海上是非常的不適用。以我在新北市的範例,我們這個秘錄器都是應該要帶在身上的,所以這邊一定要帶在主委這邊。\n\n19\n00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:37,277\n應該要再去爭取我們所有海巡弟兄應該要使用的設備而不是手持V8那這邊我要再跟管主委報告我已經在主管匯報也成立了小組一定要對勤務管理也進行全盤的一個檢討那這邊我接下來要繼續跟主委請教了其實在立法院的內政委員會在108年就決議說要請海巡署在兩個月內研議配發密錄器給基層的執勤人員\n\n20\n00:06:44,722 --> 00:06:46,162\n這個缺口是我們改變未來的配備的這個新型設備的配備方式我們現行的配置方式呢\n\n21\n00:07:07,068 --> 00:07:07,328\n委員報告．\n\n22\n00:07:22,005 --> 00:07:26,587\n我現在只在談的是說海巡弟兄身上配的密錄器為什麼還有高達3061台的缺口\n\n23\n00:07:43,376 --> 00:08:12,218\n我想請教海巡兄弟們到底現在有沒有一人一台的密錄器供他們執行過程目前不是這樣配備目前不是這樣配備那不是這樣配備的話我認為這就有行政上的疏失我覺得這就是你們應該要去做一個檢討以及改進的因為就我了解新北市我們所有的員警在出勤的時候每一個人都配戴一台密錄器尤其我們海巡的這些弟兄執行非常的辛苦結果現在卻沒有一人配一台\n\n24\n00:08:13,159 --> 00:08:29,631\n其實有一些情誤帶密錄器會暴露身份的情誤當然那個是在暗記的偵查我們的偵訪如果說你帶密錄器的時候會暴露身份也不見得是所以過去是合理的執行未來我們要充分地\n\n25\n00:08:33,134 --> 00:08:38,280\n一百零八年到一百一十二年,主要購買的一千三百五十八台,這個數字有沒有錯誤?\n\n26\n00:08:48,151 --> 00:09:14,910\n沒有錯沒有錯那我再跟你請教在110年北立分署有一個標案他說採買密錄器200台金額為60萬他一台大概估計的金額是3000塊錢那請問這個密錄器是哪一國產製的這個部分我請署部的同仁來回答好不好報告委員我是情報組這部分密錄器的話有一部分是台灣製但是有一部分是大陸產製\n\n27\n00:09:15,854 --> 00:09:30,702\n所以這就是我今天要提的問題如果這些我們的密錄器是大陸產製會不會有資安上的問題所以這一部分我們在110年的時候我們通知組這裡就已經所以這就是我要跟各位我們跟今天我們所有的國人報告的\n\n28\n00:09:31,822 --> 00:09:38,089\n因為我們大陸產製的這些密錄器總共400多具其實都已經封存了所以我們現在所有所用的密錄器都是台灣產製沒有用大陸產製的密錄器\n\n29\n00:09:54,619 --> 00:10:08,868\n好那接下來我要請問的是關於這3061台的缺口這密錄器還沒有取得的部分請問你們是不是要動用第二預備金來做採買請問大概會用多少的第二預備金報委員我們會用到2150萬的金額\n\n30\n00:10:13,015 --> 00:10:33,712\n那請問大概一台是多少錢?是採用的是哪一國製的?我們是台灣製的,我們採用的那一台是我們比警方更好一點,我們一台大概平均價格是7000塊對,這跟我說到的消息是一樣的,那希望說在這邊你們盡早去取得這個密錄器的使用,而且要確保這個資安的這個安全\n\n31\n00:10:34,372 --> 00:10:35,093\n這次不幸事件,我們高度遺憾\n\n32\n00:10:52,475 --> 00:11:08,208\n海巡署在勤務的裝備跟勤務的管理上面如何更進一步的落實經由這次事件的檢討我們已經成立小組這個小組我們不排除在不涉及機敏資訊的部分我們會請學者專家一起來指導\n\n33\n00:11:09,689 --> 00:11:37,842\n我請教一下我管主委如果又發生說有大陸的艦艇登到我國的這個船艦這個不管是旅遊船或任何的船艦上的時候請問主委這邊你要怎麼反應如何確保兩岸的安全跟人民的安全其實中國的公務船對我國民船的登艦這是非常特別的案例多半都是發生在\n\n34\n00:11:38,862 --> 00:11:38,882\n張智倫議員\n\n35\n00:11:57,279 --> 00:12:17,003\n所以當天我所說我們第一時間會請他在安全的範圍之內能夠不要停留跟我們對開讓我們趕快能夠接近在兩船的中間這確實就是海巡署所律定對於這樣的一個政治爭議事件當中的當局行為的授權這邊我要最後要拜託你的就是說根據我剛剛提出來我們這個海巡弟兄的密錄器\n\n36\n00:12:23,965 --> 00:12:24,666\n我們就快直接提供回覆\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n249\t8503\t主席好 各位主委好 各位委員好 各位媒體先進大家早安 大家好那是不是有請管主委來接受質詢好 有請管主委謝謝\n17529\t41882\t館主委您好首先在進行質詢之前我想要針對就是館主委您針對我們這個內政委員會的專案報告的專題專題報告的標題來進行這個修改我要表達強烈的不滿所以我想要先請教一下這個館主委說你本身跟這個我們高經招委是怎麼樣去做溝通跟協調的\n44017\t62082\t跟委員報告這件事情確實是我先在臉書上對外揭露事後我跟張偉致意也跟社會大眾表達對張偉失禮之處我願意接受指責這就是我覺得非常不妥的地方我覺得不管是在臉書上去做\n62762\t78175\t新型的表達或是用簡訊的方式來通知我們的召委都是對我們這個委員會的不尊重以及對立法院的不尊重也對我們立法委員的不尊重所以這邊是會代表我可以請代表我們立法委員們請管主委這邊跟大家致歉一下\n78997\t94643\t我想我對於這件事情在第一時間對外就公開的說明那一天之所以用臉書是因為就在前一刻我接受電視媒體的訪問的時候我已經非常非常虔誠的表達說接受監督是我們的本職所以需要公開就這樣子說明應該不是首例 是\n105748\t105788\t主席\n120779\t143704\t在捍衛海巡的立場的情況之下我真的是跟委員誠懇的拜託就是說如果我們都支持海巡請大家也要支持海巡來更改這個名稱我們都非常支持這個海巡兄弟的信號我們針對的是您當時不管是跟昭緯的溝通及擅自修改專案報告的標題而且這是開立法院的首例\n148505\t152650\t我們不希望這個惡例一直持續下去喔!那最後我要跟…\n167186\t182108\t最後要跟管主委請教我們這次主要做內政委員會的專題報告也是希望管主委可以藉由這次專案報告的機會跟國人來說明這次驚嚇事件的始末而且尤其大家關心的兩岸的議題\n183129\t205027\t那管主委我覺得您這次使用不管是用臉書或是傳簡訊私下給我們的主委其實我覺得個人認為是非常的不妥我認為很多的事情不應該留為政治的口水那以及我今天早上才收到這一封的這個我們黨團給我的資料我們一直想要跟您請問的是說您在簡訊中提到說\n207955\t225910\t謝謝昭偉海巡署極為辛苦原住民同仁所佔的比例在原住民部落區域的單位所佔的比例為而不低那您這樣的簡訊內容那我們的昭偉也跟我們分享說這讓他覺得心裡非常的不舒服請問你是不是想要用這個利益交換來讓我們同意說這個專案報告的主題做一個更改\n231454\t242126\t第一個,一個是邏輯上的錯誤,因為交委已經接受了合幣再交換,所以這是邏輯上的錯誤。邏輯上的,喔,不重要的,因為交委是原住民的委員,交委是廣大原住民支持及下交換,原住民的\n249173\t260740\t原住民的同仁在海巡署的特勤組所佔的比例高達17%最辛苦的工作當中原住民的同仁他們所佔的比例非常的高這件事情絕對是張委員非常支持的事情\n267664\t274612\t讓人家不免會接受到訊息的人﹐感覺到非常的不同﹐不會﹐因為已經﹐已經接受﹐已經接受上期量產﹐還有這個質詢﹐粉絲應該要律理全部主權﹐所以是不是本席在這邊再給你一次機會﹐\n284463\t287685\t我充分的表達這件事情我對昭緯有失禮我也充分的表達我應該受指責而且我願意受指責謝謝委員\n305338\t332975\t好 謝謝管主委您辛苦了那接下來我要來質詢的部分就是我們現在國人非常重視的一個議題就是這次金夏事件我們海巡署第一線的人員其實非常的辛苦大家知道現在金夏的海域常常發生衝突可是我覺得讓國人所嘩然的部分是我們海巡沒有常常發生衝突我想這邊要請你回答的是說在這次的衝突之間我們海巡人員在發生這是一個事故\n334016\t347392\t好 這個事故我們想要了解的是說造成兩死兩傷的結果那為什麼沒有任何的蒐證的記錄跟設備我想請問管主委是說您可以在這邊分享一下到底有沒有蒐證的設備及記錄\n349754\t363917\t第一,當天我們秘錄器是夠用的,但是當天這艘船它本身的配備就是一個V8,所以他們有帶V8出去執勤,而且它不是接到案子以後從附近出去,它是在海上,已經在海上是非常的不適用。以我在新北市的範例,我們這個秘錄器都是應該要帶在身上的,所以這邊一定要帶在主委這邊。\n375240\t397277\t應該要再去爭取我們所有海巡弟兄應該要使用的設備而不是手持V8那這邊我要再跟管主委報告我已經在主管匯報也成立了小組一定要對勤務管理也進行全盤的一個檢討那這邊我接下來要繼續跟主委請教了其實在立法院的內政委員會在108年就決議說要請海巡署在兩個月內研議配發密錄器給基層的執勤人員\n404722\t406162\t這個缺口是我們改變未來的配備的這個新型設備的配備方式我們現行的配置方式呢\n427068\t427328\t委員報告．\n442005\t446587\t我現在只在談的是說海巡弟兄身上配的密錄器為什麼還有高達3061台的缺口\n463376\t492218\t我想請教海巡兄弟們到底現在有沒有一人一台的密錄器供他們執行過程目前不是這樣配備目前不是這樣配備那不是這樣配備的話我認為這就有行政上的疏失我覺得這就是你們應該要去做一個檢討以及改進的因為就我了解新北市我們所有的員警在出勤的時候每一個人都配戴一台密錄器尤其我們海巡的這些弟兄執行非常的辛苦結果現在卻沒有一人配一台\n493159\t509631\t其實有一些情誤 帶密錄器會暴露身份的情誤當然那個是在暗記的偵查我們的偵訪 如果說你帶密錄器的時候會暴露身份 也不見得是所以過去是合理的執行 未來我們要充分地\n513134\t518280\t一百零八年到一百一十二年,主要購買的一千三百五十八台,這個數字有沒有錯誤?\n528151\t554910\t沒有錯沒有錯那我再跟你請教在110年北立分署有一個標案他說採買密錄器200台金額為60萬他一台大概估計的金額是3000塊錢那請問這個密錄器是哪一國產製的這個部分我請署部的同仁來回答好不好報告委員我是情報組這部分密錄器的話有一部分是台灣製但是有一部分是大陸產製\n555854\t570702\t所以這就是我今天要提的問題如果這些我們的密錄器是大陸產製會不會有資安上的問題所以這一部分我們在110年的時候我們通知組這裡就已經所以這就是我要跟各位我們跟今天我們所有的國人報告的\n571822\t578089\t因為我們大陸產製的這些密錄器總共400多具其實都已經封存了所以我們現在所有所用的密錄器都是台灣產製沒有用大陸產製的密錄器\n594619\t608868\t好那接下來我要請問的是關於這3061台的缺口這密錄器還沒有取得的部分請問你們是不是要動用第二預備金來做採買請問大概會用多少的第二預備金報委員我們會用到2150萬的金額\n613015\t633712\t那請問大概一台是多少錢?是採用的是哪一國製的?我們是台灣製的,我們採用的那一台是我們比警方更好一點,我們一台大概平均價格是7000塊對,這跟我說到的消息是一樣的,那希望說在這邊你們盡早去取得這個密錄器的使用,而且要確保這個資安的這個安全\n634372\t635093\t這次不幸事件,我們高度遺憾\n652475\t668208\t海巡署在勤務的裝備跟勤務的管理上面如何更進一步的落實經由這次事件的檢討我們已經成立小組這個小組我們不排除在不涉及機敏資訊的部分我們會請學者專家一起來指導\n669689\t697842\t我請教一下我管主委如果又發生說有大陸的艦艇登到我國的這個船艦這個不管是旅遊船或任何的船艦上的時候請問主委這邊你要怎麼反應如何確保兩岸的安全跟人民的安全其實中國的公務船對我國民船的登艦這是非常特別的案例多半都是發生在\n698862\t698882\t張智倫議員\n717279\t737003\t所以當天我所說我們第一時間會請他在安全的範圍之內能夠不要停留跟我們對開讓我們趕快能夠接近在兩船的中間這確實就是海巡署所律定對於這樣的一個政治爭議事件當中的當局行為的授權這邊我要最後要拜託你的就是說根據我剛剛提出來我們這個海巡弟兄的密錄器\n743965\t744666\t我們就快直接提供回覆\n","txt":"主席好 各位主委好 各位委員好 各位媒體先進大家早安 大家好那是不是有請管主委來接受質詢好 有請管主委謝謝\n館主委您好首先在進行質詢之前我想要針對就是館主委您針對我們這個內政委員會的專案報告的專題專題報告的標題來進行這個修改我要表達強烈的不滿所以我想要先請教一下這個館主委說你本身跟這個我們高經招委是怎麼樣去做溝通跟協調的\n跟委員報告這件事情確實是我先在臉書上對外揭露事後我跟張偉致意也跟社會大眾表達對張偉失禮之處我願意接受指責這就是我覺得非常不妥的地方我覺得不管是在臉書上去做\n新型的表達或是用簡訊的方式來通知我們的召委都是對我們這個委員會的不尊重以及對立法院的不尊重也對我們立法委員的不尊重所以這邊是會代表我可以請代表我們立法委員們請管主委這邊跟大家致歉一下\n我想我對於這件事情在第一時間對外就公開的說明那一天之所以用臉書是因為就在前一刻我接受電視媒體的訪問的時候我已經非常非常虔誠的表達說接受監督是我們的本職所以需要公開就這樣子說明應該不是首例 是\n主席\n在捍衛海巡的立場的情況之下我真的是跟委員誠懇的拜託就是說如果我們都支持海巡請大家也要支持海巡來更改這個名稱我們都非常支持這個海巡兄弟的信號我們針對的是您當時不管是跟昭緯的溝通及擅自修改專案報告的標題而且這是開立法院的首例\n我們不希望這個惡例一直持續下去喔!那最後我要跟…\n最後要跟管主委請教我們這次主要做內政委員會的專題報告也是希望管主委可以藉由這次專案報告的機會跟國人來說明這次驚嚇事件的始末而且尤其大家關心的兩岸的議題\n那管主委我覺得您這次使用不管是用臉書或是傳簡訊私下給我們的主委其實我覺得個人認為是非常的不妥我認為很多的事情不應該留為政治的口水那以及我今天早上才收到這一封的這個我們黨團給我的資料我們一直想要跟您請問的是說您在簡訊中提到說\n謝謝昭偉海巡署極為辛苦原住民同仁所佔的比例在原住民部落區域的單位所佔的比例為而不低那您這樣的簡訊內容那我們的昭偉也跟我們分享說這讓他覺得心裡非常的不舒服請問你是不是想要用這個利益交換來讓我們同意說這個專案報告的主題做一個更改\n第一個,一個是邏輯上的錯誤,因為交委已經接受了合幣再交換,所以這是邏輯上的錯誤。邏輯上的,喔,不重要的,因為交委是原住民的委員,交委是廣大原住民支持及下交換,原住民的\n原住民的同仁在海巡署的特勤組所佔的比例高達17%最辛苦的工作當中原住民的同仁他們所佔的比例非常的高這件事情絕對是張委員非常支持的事情\n讓人家不免會接受到訊息的人﹐感覺到非常的不同﹐不會﹐因為已經﹐已經接受﹐已經接受上期量產﹐還有這個質詢﹐粉絲應該要律理全部主權﹐所以是不是本席在這邊再給你一次機會﹐\n我充分的表達這件事情我對昭緯有失禮我也充分的表達我應該受指責而且我願意受指責謝謝委員\n好 謝謝管主委您辛苦了那接下來我要來質詢的部分就是我們現在國人非常重視的一個議題就是這次金夏事件我們海巡署第一線的人員其實非常的辛苦大家知道現在金夏的海域常常發生衝突可是我覺得讓國人所嘩然的部分是我們海巡沒有常常發生衝突我想這邊要請你回答的是說在這次的衝突之間我們海巡人員在發生這是一個事故\n好 這個事故我們想要了解的是說造成兩死兩傷的結果那為什麼沒有任何的蒐證的記錄跟設備我想請問管主委是說您可以在這邊分享一下到底有沒有蒐證的設備及記錄\n第一,當天我們秘錄器是夠用的,但是當天這艘船它本身的配備就是一個V8,所以他們有帶V8出去執勤,而且它不是接到案子以後從附近出去,它是在海上,已經在海上是非常的不適用。以我在新北市的範例,我們這個秘錄器都是應該要帶在身上的,所以這邊一定要帶在主委這邊。\n應該要再去爭取我們所有海巡弟兄應該要使用的設備而不是手持V8那這邊我要再跟管主委報告我已經在主管匯報也成立了小組一定要對勤務管理也進行全盤的一個檢討那這邊我接下來要繼續跟主委請教了其實在立法院的內政委員會在108年就決議說要請海巡署在兩個月內研議配發密錄器給基層的執勤人員\n這個缺口是我們改變未來的配備的這個新型設備的配備方式我們現行的配置方式呢\n委員報告．\n我現在只在談的是說海巡弟兄身上配的密錄器為什麼還有高達3061台的缺口\n我想請教海巡兄弟們到底現在有沒有一人一台的密錄器供他們執行過程目前不是這樣配備目前不是這樣配備那不是這樣配備的話我認為這就有行政上的疏失我覺得這就是你們應該要去做一個檢討以及改進的因為就我了解新北市我們所有的員警在出勤的時候每一個人都配戴一台密錄器尤其我們海巡的這些弟兄執行非常的辛苦結果現在卻沒有一人配一台\n其實有一些情誤 帶密錄器會暴露身份的情誤當然那個是在暗記的偵查我們的偵訪 如果說你帶密錄器的時候會暴露身份 也不見得是所以過去是合理的執行 未來我們要充分地\n一百零八年到一百一十二年,主要購買的一千三百五十八台,這個數字有沒有錯誤?\n沒有錯沒有錯那我再跟你請教在110年北立分署有一個標案他說採買密錄器200台金額為60萬他一台大概估計的金額是3000塊錢那請問這個密錄器是哪一國產製的這個部分我請署部的同仁來回答好不好報告委員我是情報組這部分密錄器的話有一部分是台灣製但是有一部分是大陸產製\n所以這就是我今天要提的問題如果這些我們的密錄器是大陸產製會不會有資安上的問題所以這一部分我們在110年的時候我們通知組這裡就已經所以這就是我要跟各位我們跟今天我們所有的國人報告的\n因為我們大陸產製的這些密錄器總共400多具其實都已經封存了所以我們現在所有所用的密錄器都是台灣產製沒有用大陸產製的密錄器\n好那接下來我要請問的是關於這3061台的缺口這密錄器還沒有取得的部分請問你們是不是要動用第二預備金來做採買請問大概會用多少的第二預備金報委員我們會用到2150萬的金額\n那請問大概一台是多少錢?是採用的是哪一國製的?我們是台灣製的,我們採用的那一台是我們比警方更好一點,我們一台大概平均價格是7000塊對,這跟我說到的消息是一樣的,那希望說在這邊你們盡早去取得這個密錄器的使用,而且要確保這個資安的這個安全\n這次不幸事件,我們高度遺憾\n海巡署在勤務的裝備跟勤務的管理上面如何更進一步的落實經由這次事件的檢討我們已經成立小組這個小組我們不排除在不涉及機敏資訊的部分我們會請學者專家一起來指導\n我請教一下我管主委如果又發生說有大陸的艦艇登到我國的這個船艦這個不管是旅遊船或任何的船艦上的時候請問主委這邊你要怎麼反應如何確保兩岸的安全跟人民的安全其實中國的公務船對我國民船的登艦這是非常特別的案例多半都是發生在\n張智倫議員\n所以當天我所說我們第一時間會請他在安全的範圍之內能夠不要停留跟我們對開讓我們趕快能夠接近在兩船的中間這確實就是海巡署所律定對於這樣的一個政治爭議事件當中的當局行為的授權這邊我要最後要拜託你的就是說根據我剛剛提出來我們這個海巡弟兄的密錄器\n我們就快直接提供回覆\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.249 --> 00:08.503\n主席好各位主委好各位委員好各位媒體先進大家早安大家好那是不是有請管主委來接受質詢好有請管主委謝謝\n\n00:17.529 --> 00:41.882\n館主委您好首先在進行質詢之前我想要針對就是館主委您針對我們這個內政委員會的專案報告的專題專題報告的標題來進行這個修改我要表達強烈的不滿所以我想要先請教一下這個館主委說你本身跟這個我們高經招委是怎麼樣去做溝通跟協調的\n\n00:44.017 --> 01:02.082\n跟委員報告這件事情確實是我先在臉書上對外揭露事後我跟張偉致意也跟社會大眾表達對張偉失禮之處我願意接受指責這就是我覺得非常不妥的地方我覺得不管是在臉書上去做\n\n01:02.762 --> 01:18.175\n新型的表達或是用簡訊的方式來通知我們的召委都是對我們這個委員會的不尊重以及對立法院的不尊重也對我們立法委員的不尊重所以這邊是會代表我可以請代表我們立法委員們請管主委這邊跟大家致歉一下\n\n01:18.997 --> 01:34.643\n我想我對於這件事情在第一時間對外就公開的說明那一天之所以用臉書是因為就在前一刻我接受電視媒體的訪問的時候我已經非常非常虔誠的表達說接受監督是我們的本職所以需要公開就這樣子說明應該不是首例是\n\n01:45.748 --> 01:45.788\n主席\n\n02:00.779 --> 02:23.704\n在捍衛海巡的立場的情況之下我真的是跟委員誠懇的拜託就是說如果我們都支持海巡請大家也要支持海巡來更改這個名稱我們都非常支持這個海巡兄弟的信號我們針對的是您當時不管是跟昭緯的溝通及擅自修改專案報告的標題而且這是開立法院的首例\n\n02:28.505 --> 02:32.650\n我們不希望這個惡例一直持續下去喔!那最後我要跟…\n\n02:47.186 --> 03:02.108\n最後要跟管主委請教我們這次主要做內政委員會的專題報告也是希望管主委可以藉由這次專案報告的機會跟國人來說明這次驚嚇事件的始末而且尤其大家關心的兩岸的議題\n\n03:03.129 --> 03:25.027\n那管主委我覺得您這次使用不管是用臉書或是傳簡訊私下給我們的主委其實我覺得個人認為是非常的不妥我認為很多的事情不應該留為政治的口水那以及我今天早上才收到這一封的這個我們黨團給我的資料我們一直想要跟您請問的是說您在簡訊中提到說\n\n03:27.955 --> 03:45.910\n謝謝昭偉海巡署極為辛苦原住民同仁所佔的比例在原住民部落區域的單位所佔的比例為而不低那您這樣的簡訊內容那我們的昭偉也跟我們分享說這讓他覺得心裡非常的不舒服請問你是不是想要用這個利益交換來讓我們同意說這個專案報告的主題做一個更改\n\n03:51.454 --> 04:02.126\n第一個,一個是邏輯上的錯誤,因為交委已經接受了合幣再交換,所以這是邏輯上的錯誤。邏輯上的,喔,不重要的,因為交委是原住民的委員,交委是廣大原住民支持及下交換,原住民的\n\n04:09.173 --> 04:20.740\n原住民的同仁在海巡署的特勤組所佔的比例高達17%最辛苦的工作當中原住民的同仁他們所佔的比例非常的高這件事情絕對是張委員非常支持的事情\n\n04:27.664 --> 04:34.612\n讓人家不免會接受到訊息的人﹐感覺到非常的不同﹐不會﹐因為已經﹐已經接受﹐已經接受上期量產﹐還有這個質詢﹐粉絲應該要律理全部主權﹐所以是不是本席在這邊再給你一次機會﹐\n\n04:44.463 --> 04:47.685\n我充分的表達這件事情我對昭緯有失禮我也充分的表達我應該受指責而且我願意受指責謝謝委員\n\n05:05.338 --> 05:32.975\n好謝謝管主委您辛苦了那接下來我要來質詢的部分就是我們現在國人非常重視的一個議題就是這次金夏事件我們海巡署第一線的人員其實非常的辛苦大家知道現在金夏的海域常常發生衝突可是我覺得讓國人所嘩然的部分是我們海巡沒有常常發生衝突我想這邊要請你回答的是說在這次的衝突之間我們海巡人員在發生這是一個事故\n\n05:34.016 --> 05:47.392\n好這個事故我們想要了解的是說造成兩死兩傷的結果那為什麼沒有任何的蒐證的記錄跟設備我想請問管主委是說您可以在這邊分享一下到底有沒有蒐證的設備及記錄\n\n05:49.754 --> 06:03.917\n第一,當天我們秘錄器是夠用的,但是當天這艘船它本身的配備就是一個V8,所以他們有帶V8出去執勤,而且它不是接到案子以後從附近出去,它是在海上,已經在海上是非常的不適用。以我在新北市的範例,我們這個秘錄器都是應該要帶在身上的,所以這邊一定要帶在主委這邊。\n\n06:15.240 --> 06:37.277\n應該要再去爭取我們所有海巡弟兄應該要使用的設備而不是手持V8那這邊我要再跟管主委報告我已經在主管匯報也成立了小組一定要對勤務管理也進行全盤的一個檢討那這邊我接下來要繼續跟主委請教了其實在立法院的內政委員會在108年就決議說要請海巡署在兩個月內研議配發密錄器給基層的執勤人員\n\n06:44.722 --> 06:46.162\n這個缺口是我們改變未來的配備的這個新型設備的配備方式我們現行的配置方式呢\n\n07:07.068 --> 07:07.328\n委員報告．\n\n07:22.005 --> 07:26.587\n我現在只在談的是說海巡弟兄身上配的密錄器為什麼還有高達3061台的缺口\n\n07:43.376 --> 08:12.218\n我想請教海巡兄弟們到底現在有沒有一人一台的密錄器供他們執行過程目前不是這樣配備目前不是這樣配備那不是這樣配備的話我認為這就有行政上的疏失我覺得這就是你們應該要去做一個檢討以及改進的因為就我了解新北市我們所有的員警在出勤的時候每一個人都配戴一台密錄器尤其我們海巡的這些弟兄執行非常的辛苦結果現在卻沒有一人配一台\n\n08:13.159 --> 08:29.631\n其實有一些情誤帶密錄器會暴露身份的情誤當然那個是在暗記的偵查我們的偵訪如果說你帶密錄器的時候會暴露身份也不見得是所以過去是合理的執行未來我們要充分地\n\n08:33.134 --> 08:38.280\n一百零八年到一百一十二年,主要購買的一千三百五十八台,這個數字有沒有錯誤?\n\n08:48.151 --> 09:14.910\n沒有錯沒有錯那我再跟你請教在110年北立分署有一個標案他說採買密錄器200台金額為60萬他一台大概估計的金額是3000塊錢那請問這個密錄器是哪一國產製的這個部分我請署部的同仁來回答好不好報告委員我是情報組這部分密錄器的話有一部分是台灣製但是有一部分是大陸產製\n\n09:15.854 --> 09:30.702\n所以這就是我今天要提的問題如果這些我們的密錄器是大陸產製會不會有資安上的問題所以這一部分我們在110年的時候我們通知組這裡就已經所以這就是我要跟各位我們跟今天我們所有的國人報告的\n\n09:31.822 --> 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