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00:03:07,347\n當下第一時間\n\n10\n00:03:36,443 --> 00:03:53,577\n部長,承擔責任。你要擔當啊。你現在掏出來解決這個問題,先來做個微補。如果說這個野生動物是比較凶猛的,有威脅性、有攻擊性,你就當下發生在哪裡,它的足跡在哪裡,馬上就要來搜尋。\n\n11\n00:03:54,899 --> 00:04:06,670\n這個就是一起配合不要推卸責任中央地方就要來一起圍捕這個逃脫的動物當然要加強就是合作我現在跟你討論的是組織單位當然在哪個縣市發生當然那個縣市就要來負責所以\n\n12\n00:04:18,834 --> 00:04:47,319\n部長,我希望你們要有態度出來為什麼我說要主責單位你可以有正確的資訊給這個獵人到底是你要圍捕還是獵殺這個要很正確啊不是課程你們責任要隨時承擔解決問題成年老案得以解決就要有擔當的政府政府要做我們的地方做我們的後盾才能夠把問題解決不能一直在推給地方是不是我想我想\n\n13\n00:04:47,939 --> 00:05:14,945\n未來這個案件我們已經過檢討相關的更嚴謹的SOP中央絕對不是指示所以我們中央就是主責單位把所有的訊息資訊都要給地方大家共同來負責好不好接下來我要跟你談剛剛講的我們的這個野保法本來在第8會期之前就要送進來了這個是陳吉仲部長之前答應的結果拖到今年的2月23送進立法院拖了一年的時間請問部長\n\n14\n00:05:16,985 --> 00:05:22,890\n這一年的時間到底有什麼事情沒有解決卡住了?受夾就是鐵製的受夾?這都是有傷害的阿?辦了一年的說明會阿?\n\n15\n00:05:45,109 --> 00:06:13,915\n我們還有很多那另外針對比較有一點就是針對原住民的部分我們尊重大法官的解釋要尊重原住民本身的話所以在這個溝通上面我們讓整個法案你終於送進來了我們覺得很慶幸你終於送進來了這最重要是要禁用售假的問題我們基於我們保護動物的這個一個觀念這個理念那現在請問一下野保法送進來了動保法呢\n\n16\n00:06:15,342 --> 00:06:37,610\n動保法也是去年4月28日那個時候我們農業部就已經有預告了嘛對於我們在強化我們事主的這個責任跟我們保護動物的原則這部分請問動保法什麼時候送進來動保法在我們內部的溝通也都完成還沒送到行政院在今年的部分我們在這一期會送到立法院已經快一年了\n\n17\n00:06:38,130 --> 00:06:38,531\n三月底可以送進來嗎?\n\n18\n00:06:50,492 --> 00:07:19,137\n應該沒有,我們創造行政院,行政院會審核完了以後就會出來好,就是這個會期就一定會送進來對,我們小巢都會有4月28就滿一年了希望你們能夠盡快送進來我們希望所有的不管是野保動物或者是我們的所有動物都會獲得到這個保護今天特別提這個問題就是希望把爭議能夠解決不要把案子一直放下去尤其是我們立法院將近有80個版本\n\n19\n00:07:20,097 --> 00:07:20,337\n工糧能量\n\n20\n00:07:35,382 --> 00:07:50,649\n所有的這個經濟效益都要保障尤其是我們農民的權益政府要做我們農民的後盾但是12年的供養沒有調整部長您知不知道現在因為我們的這個\n\n21\n00:07:52,230 --> 00:07:58,136\n物價波動現在已經增加到16.33%我們的基本工資已經在17,880元提高到27,470元這人工肥料跟我們農業的生產這個資產的成本不斷的上升這個各項的評估成本的上升裡面\n\n22\n00:08:14,594 --> 00:08:38,209\n我們農民耕作的利率一直被減少。部長你在回答前面的委員都講說我們要保障農民的利率。你如何保障?你說你會保障。不是口說無憑。尤其是你說如果抬高價錢的話會不會讓滯銷會讓過剩?這過剩就是我們政府的責任啊。你沒有總量管制嗎?\n\n23\n00:08:39,490 --> 00:08:46,612\n您沒有轉更做的問題嗎?你可以增加外銷、拓展外銷去來補足這個我們這個國內的這個產值啊?是不是這樣子呢?所以部長您說我們只要抬高價錢的話就會大家踴躍的去耕作我們這稻米\n\n24\n00:09:09,940 --> 00:09:24,094\n所以你就要總量管制在這麼多年來經過這12年來你沒有總量管制嗎?你不是一直轉座嗎?轉根嗎?修根嗎?土地要充分的利用不要一直用修根\n\n25\n00:09:24,474 --> 00:09:51,233\n而且不管是水稻還有有機蔬菜跟我們蛇油還有種植一些其他的東西你們都一直在做這些事情為什麼對自己這麼沒有信心你這麼多年的12年你的轉作都不會成功嗎所以一下就否定了所以我剛剛我們的招委也特別提到了給你一個月的時間我希望你提出來了是支持的態度你支持的態度就是要讓我們供糧來漲價\n\n26\n00:09:53,407 --> 00:10:21,784\n姑娘漲多少?我們稍後跟她講12塊錢我們從逐步滾動式檢討慢慢調漲這些我都會支持但是一定要漲一定要漲這是鼓勵農民增加利潤唯一的方法唯一的方法這是給你法源欸不是你們每次補現金像農業保險、農民保險都有了你怎麼樣去補給你法源你不會去做\n\n27\n00:10:23,373 --> 00:10:25,414\n我會用客觀的一個數據跟政策的分析\n\n28\n00:10:40,123 --> 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07:19.137\n應該沒有,我們創造行政院,行政院會審核完了以後就會出來好,就是這個會期就一定會送進來對,我們小巢都會有4月28就滿一年了希望你們能夠盡快送進來我們希望所有的不管是野保動物或者是我們的所有動物都會獲得到這個保護今天特別提這個問題就是希望把爭議能夠解決不要把案子一直放下去尤其是我們立法院將近有80個版本\n\n07:20.097 --> 07:20.337\n工糧能量\n\n07:35.382 --> 07:50.649\n所有的這個經濟效益都要保障尤其是我們農民的權益政府要做我們農民的後盾但是12年的供養沒有調整部長您知不知道現在因為我們的這個\n\n07:52.230 --> 07:58.136\n物價波動現在已經增加到16.33%我們的基本工資已經在17,880元提高到27,470元這人工肥料跟我們農業的生產這個資產的成本不斷的上升這個各項的評估成本的上升裡面\n\n08:14.594 --> 08:38.209\n我們農民耕作的利率一直被減少。部長你在回答前面的委員都講說我們要保障農民的利率。你如何保障?你說你會保障。不是口說無憑。尤其是你說如果抬高價錢的話會不會讓滯銷會讓過剩?這過剩就是我們政府的責任啊。你沒有總量管制嗎?\n\n08:39.490 --> 08:46.612\n您沒有轉更做的問題嗎?你可以增加外銷、拓展外銷去來補足這個我們這個國內的這個產值啊?是不是這樣子呢?所以部長您說我們只要抬高價錢的話就會大家踴躍的去耕作我們這稻米\n\n09:09.940 --> 09:24.094\n所以你就要總量管制在這麼多年來經過這12年來你沒有總量管制嗎?你不是一直轉座嗎?轉根嗎?修根嗎?土地要充分的利用不要一直用修根\n\n09:24.474 --> 09:51.233\n而且不管是水稻還有有機蔬菜跟我們蛇油還有種植一些其他的東西你們都一直在做這些事情為什麼對自己這麼沒有信心你這麼多年的12年你的轉作都不會成功嗎所以一下就否定了所以我剛剛我們的招委也特別提到了給你一個月的時間我希望你提出來了是支持的態度你支持的態度就是要讓我們供糧來漲價\n\n09:53.407 --> 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