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--> 00:03:13,398\n謝謝委員關注這樣的問題那跟委員報告就是從108年的少年身體處理法的修法那當時其實就是為了要根本解決每一個少年其實他在成長需要家庭的功能的親子教育的這些資源\n\n10\n00:03:14,159 --> 00:03:38,455\n在校園的就教權還有包括少年的就業權所以在少司法108年修正的時候我們就透過少司法86條的第3項就有要求要訂一個少年事件跟這個行政機關的一個就是聯繫辦法所以從100這個就是10年開始我們已經連續3年每年至少一次跟行政院\n\n11\n00:03:39,195 --> 00:03:42,998\n由政務委員：司法院秘書長主持．共同召開兩院政治協商平臺．因為他少年成長．從他的舊學權．比如說國民基本的義務教育．教育部的主責事項．還有衛福部．兒童福利與權益保障法．\n\n12\n00:03:59,107 --> 00:03:59,127\n蘇貞昌議員\n\n13\n00:04:29,907 --> 00:04:55,399\n這個部分相關資料我們會後可以提供給這個就是委員來做一個參考的確每一年呢大家行政院跟本院都有提出提案那每一個提案呢都有具體做提倡你具體再把你的這個成效具體用書面答覆我了因為時間的關係其實我是想要了解這樣一個平台會議他是否確實能夠解決少年事情的處理和保護制度的問題\n\n14\n00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:22,791\n還是說又是另外一個形式開座談會雙方平台會談一談那最後就一個空中樓閣少年這個平台會它其實中央是行政院跟司法院你用書面回答我因為時間的關係那我再問你對於民間團體提到的少年犯罪的徒消制度司法院的立場跟看法是如何\n\n15\n00:05:24,026 --> 00:05:38,653\n跟委員報告,其實少司法的這個徒消制度呢,它其實在民國86年當時大概就是受到兒童權利公約的影響。那從這個我們103年已經把兒童權利公約內過法化了。是。\n\n16\n00:05:38,933 --> 00:05:39,754\n所以您的看法還是一直維持跟過去的\n\n17\n00:05:56,837 --> 00:05:57,597\n有受適當揭露這些少年犯罪的\n\n18\n00:06:16,142 --> 00:06:34,484\n根委員誠實的報告那因為我們的徒銷制度已經運作多年那在世界的各國大家也都是要維護這些少年的一個前案的一個隱私那為了他們的一個復歸社會這個我了解啦但是因為目前發生這麼多少年的重大犯罪事件\n\n19\n00:06:35,385 --> 00:07:04,267\n所以未來有沒有可能就是有一些特別的一個規定去對於這些重大犯罪的少年他的紀錄去做適當的揭露而且就是成年以後我們也不去塗銷他的犯罪紀錄我們會去審慎謹慎的嚴肅的看待但是我們如果說要處理這個部分可能就要回頭去檢視當時我們把兒權公約全國全面的內國法化之後這些也都是法律\n\n20\n00:07:05,287 --> 00:07:05,847\n司法院大敗百事舉行座談會\n\n21\n00:07:28,555 --> 00:07:31,897\n提出任何具體改善做法與完成時程\n\n22\n00:07:46,465 --> 00:07:46,785\n施法院則無旁貸\n\n23\n00:08:14,213 --> 00:08:37,527\n接下來我再請問一下,詐欺犯引渡回台未遭羈押以及詐騙的刑責。臺灣直播主晚安小雞在柬埔寨的詐騙園區直播的案子,後來他們受到當地法院裁定犯下煽動製造社會動亂罪,判處兩年有期徒刑,另外每人罰款400萬減幣。\n\n24\n00:08:40,208 --> 00:09:05,019\n那不少民眾都對判決結果感到大快人心還有人要求從眾良心但是也有律師表示說這樣毫無節制的刑法真的很可怕所以我想請問秘書長您認為這樣的判決是毫無節制很可怕嗎因為這個現在要救任何人民要救者的話\n\n25\n00:09:07,130 --> 00:09:26,748\n應該要有一套程序,正當的程序這我們都了解,其實我要告訴您的就是我們現在詐欺犯罪,我們已經變成詐騙王國了詐欺犯罪在院檢,大部分都是詐欺犯罪了,如何的惡主詐欺犯罪\n\n26\n00:09:27,689 --> 00:09:54,964\n當然這個源頭的二組很重要但是我覺得司法院在判決這一端可能我們也要去研擬是不是也可以來做適當的組決所以速審速決重重量刑這件事情司法院似乎可以做的就是說我們看到說那個國外人家政府在可以速審速決而且很快的就量刑確定判決確定這個刑度也不輕\n\n27\n00:09:56,425 --> 00:10:07,484\n但是我們司法院有沒有去這個未來就是檢討改進我們是不是也要御請我們的法官對於這個詐欺犯罪恕審恕結要拖阿固阿然後又判很輕阿\n\n28\n00:10:12,163 --> 00:10:23,881\n委員長您贊成嗎?您是不是未來可以在政治方面做這樣的檢討改進?因為我們法官也應該要來傾聽社會各界的聲音因為現在確實詐欺犯太多了\n\n29\n00:10:26,866 --> 00:10:45,151\n所以我才會說是不是我們看到人家國外速審速捷啊崇重良心啊大快人心啊所以我們未來我們司法院是不是也可以把這樣的案例作為參考要求我們的法院的法官遇到這種案件速審速捷嘛\n\n30\n00:10:46,543 --> 00:11:13,263\n趕快就判了嘛,快很準嘛你不要拖啦拖太久大家都感覺無感那些炸氣犯他們完全無感,而且有時候判很輕啊判太輕了,他們又重啟爐灶,出來又是一條好漢了民主黨,這個是不是可以往這個方向來著手就是我們法院判決這一端我覺得這樣才可以有效遏阻我們的炸氣犯罪\n\n31\n00:11:14,465 --> 00:11:16,266\n最近又看到一個案例,電信詐騙犯遭波蘭拘留6年的流性男子\n\n32\n00:11:34,514 --> 00:11:48,665\n今年初被引渡回國受審後：卻沒有受到羈押：由法院裁定限制住居放他自由：所以我們警察有員警就表示這些回國繼續行騙的犯人為打不死的小強\n\n33\n00:11:50,307 --> 00:12:12,239\n民間肯定警察的辛勞的同時但卻有這樣不少詐騙犯送到院檢後僅僅以數萬元就可以交保然後又繼續在外繼續找下一個受害者行騙這樣的情勢其實在我們現在看到不管是檢方院方層出不窮詐欺犯移送到院檢\n\n34\n00:12:13,814 --> 00:12:14,134\n司法院的立場看法是如何?\n\n35\n00:12:39,207 --> 00:12:59,912\n委員長你簡單回答因為有些個案畢竟有時候犯罪在國外涉及到一些政績的收集像這種有時候是相對性的因為在當事人他有他的人權涉及到也要有證據\n\n36\n00:13:01,252 --> 00:13:27,067\n那有些個案他可能在國外他在政治方面那一部分：會涉及到政治的問題有些個案他會我知道是個案但是就是草草的給他交保你覺得這樣子是不是我們在整個對於這些炸蟋蟀的這個懲處方面會讓警察感到寒心他們抓得很辛苦結果到院長就給他交保\n\n37\n00:13:27,967 --> 00:13:53,776\n所以這個是也是我是認為也是未來我們司法院要預請我們不管是檢察官或者我們的法官對這種案件真的要慎重的處理對這種個案不要你證據方面我覺得我們可以可以透過這個這個羈押的制度讓這些人不要存有僥倖的心理你這樣太快放他出來也不能他無感\n\n38\n00:13:55,518 --> 00:13:55,819\n主席林委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n629\t18683\t發言,謝謝主席秘書長,我先跟您就教我們少年事件處理法的問題因為新北市的校園割井案所以司法院在2月19號召開了一起來體檢少年事件處理法\n20044\t35810\t雖然司法院邀請許多民間團體和教授但整場座團會的結果被民間單位批評根本就是摸頭大會現場司法院也都沒有針對問題做出任何具體的回覆\n36630\t53743\t也因此包含國教行動聯盟以及還想陪你長大聯盟都一同召開記者會．並再次呼籲司法應該要召集跨院協商會議正式相關的訴求並提出具體的改善回應\n54946\t79074\t那我看到司法院在被批評後那最近也又對外表示除已經就19日當天各方的建言那陸續回信或回電外以洽商行政院安排兩院政策協商平台會議的這樣的一個事宜那我個人是認為司法院你這樣的一個回覆\n80128\t80588\t立法院秘書長列席\n97455\t121730\t成立這樣的一個平台真的是有效率更有效率更有效益嗎很簡單的來說啊這個這種事情不就是司法院要跟其他單位一起就民間的需求反應以及現在存在的問題內部彼此直接面對面競速開會討論然後直接提出解決問題的方法就可以\n122290\t122750\t請秘書長來做一個回答\n148221\t171688\t向委員說明這些我們邵家廳都在那個2月19號那個那個會議做談會之後就有我們邵家廳有陸續跟行政院有關教育部內政部因為有些必須要兩院之間要互相配合這一部分我請我們邵家廳長回答\n176300\t193398\t謝謝委員關注這樣的問題那跟委員報告就是從108年的少年身體處理法的修法那當時其實就是為了要根本解決每一個少年其實他在成長需要家庭的功能的親子教育的這些資源\n194159\t218455\t在校園的就教權還有包括少年的就業權所以在少司法108年修正的時候我們就透過少司法86條的第3項就有要求要訂一個少年事件跟這個行政機關的一個就是聯繫辦法所以從100這個就是10年開始我們已經連續3年每年至少一次跟行政院\n219195\t222998\t由政務委員：司法院秘書長主持．共同召開兩院政治協商平臺．因為他少年成長．從他的舊學權．比如說國民基本的義務教育．教育部的主責事項．還有衛福部．兒童福利與權益保障法．\n239107\t239127\t蘇貞昌議員\n269907\t295399\t這個部分相關資料我們會後可以提供給這個就是委員來做一個參考的確每一年呢大家行政院跟本院都有提出提案那每一個提案呢都有具體做提倡你具體再把你的這個成效具體用書面答覆我了因為時間的關係其實我是想要了解這樣一個平台會議他是否確實能夠解決少年事情的處理和保護制度的問題\n297000\t322791\t還是說又是另外一個形式 開座談會 雙方平台會談一談那最後就一個空中樓閣少年這個平台會 它其實中央是行政院跟司法院你用書面回答我 因為時間的關係那我再問你對於民間團體提到的少年犯罪的徒消制度司法院的立場跟看法是如何\n324026\t338653\t跟委員報告,其實少司法的這個徒消制度呢,它其實在民國86年當時大概就是受到兒童權利公約的影響。那從這個我們103年已經把兒童權利公約內過法化了。是。\n338933\t339754\t所以您的看法還是一直維持跟過去的\n356837\t357597\t有受適當揭露這些少年犯罪的\n376142\t394484\t根委員誠實的報告那因為我們的徒銷制度已經運作多年那在世界的各國大家也都是要維護這些少年的一個前案的一個隱私那為了他們的一個復歸社會這個我了解啦但是因為目前發生這麼多少年的重大犯罪事件\n395385\t424267\t所以未來有沒有可能就是有一些特別的一個規定去對於這些重大犯罪的少年他的紀錄去做適當的揭露而且就是成年以後我們也不去塗銷他的犯罪紀錄我們會去審慎謹慎的嚴肅的看待但是我們如果說要處理這個部分可能就要回頭去檢視當時我們把兒權公約全國全面的內國法化之後這些也都是法律\n425287\t425847\t司法院大敗百事舉行座談會\n448555\t451897\t提出任何具體改善做法與完成時程\n466465\t466785\t施法院則無旁貸\n494213\t517527\t接下來我再請問一下,詐欺犯引渡回台未遭羈押以及詐騙的刑責。臺灣直播主晚安小雞在柬埔寨的詐騙園區直播的案子,後來他們受到當地法院裁定犯下煽動製造社會動亂罪,判處兩年有期徒刑,另外每人罰款400萬減幣。\n520208\t545019\t那不少民眾都對判決結果感到大快人心還有人要求從眾良心但是也有律師表示說這樣毫無節制的刑法真的很可怕所以我想請問秘書長您認為這樣的判決是毫無節制很可怕嗎因為這個現在要救任何人民要救者的話\n547130\t566748\t應該要有一套程序,正當的程序這我們都了解,其實我要告訴您的就是我們現在詐欺犯罪,我們已經變成詐騙王國了詐欺犯罪在院檢,大部分都是詐欺犯罪了,如何的惡主詐欺犯罪\n567689\t594964\t當然這個源頭的二組很重要但是我覺得司法院在判決這一端可能我們也要去研擬是不是也可以來做適當的組決所以速審速決重重量刑這件事情司法院似乎可以做的就是說我們看到說那個國外人家政府在可以速審速決而且很快的就量刑確定判決確定這個刑度也不輕\n596425\t607484\t但是我們司法院有沒有去這個未來就是檢討改進我們是不是也要御請我們的法官對於這個詐欺犯罪恕審恕結要拖阿固阿然後又判很輕阿\n612163\t623881\t委員長您贊成嗎?您是不是未來可以在政治方面做這樣的檢討改進?因為我們法官也應該要來傾聽社會各界的聲音因為現在確實詐欺犯太多了\n626866\t645151\t所以我才會說是不是我們看到人家國外速審速捷啊崇重良心啊大快人心啊所以我們未來我們司法院是不是也可以把這樣的案例作為參考要求我們的法院的法官遇到這種案件速審速捷嘛\n646543\t673263\t趕快就判了嘛,快很準嘛你不要拖啦拖太久大家都感覺無感那些炸氣犯他們完全無感,而且有時候判很輕啊判太輕了,他們又重啟爐灶,出來又是一條好漢了民主黨,這個是不是可以往這個方向來著手就是我們法院判決這一端我覺得這樣才可以有效遏阻我們的炸氣犯罪\n674465\t676266\t最近又看到一個案例,電信詐騙犯遭波蘭拘留6年的流性男子\n694514\t708665\t今年初被引渡回國受審後：卻沒有受到羈押：由法院裁定限制住居放他自由：所以我們警察有員警就表示這些回國繼續行騙的犯人為打不死的小強\n710307\t732239\t民間肯定警察的辛勞的同時但卻有這樣不少詐騙犯送到院檢後僅僅以數萬元就可以交保然後又繼續在外繼續找下一個受害者行騙這樣的情勢其實在我們現在看到不管是檢方院方層出不窮詐欺犯移送到院檢\n733814\t734134\t司法院的立場看法是如何?\n759207\t779912\t委員長你簡單回答因為有些個案畢竟有時候犯罪在國外涉及到一些政績的收集像這種有時候是相對性的因為在當事人他有他的人權涉及到也要有證據\n781252\t807067\t那有些個案他可能在國外他在政治方面那一部分：會涉及到政治的問題有些個案他會 我知道是個案但是就是草草的給他交保你覺得這樣子是不是我們在整個對於這些炸蟋蟀的這個懲處方面會讓警察感到寒心他們抓得很辛苦結果到院長就給他交保\n807967\t833776\t所以這個是也是我是認為也是未來我們司法院要預請我們不管是檢察官或者我們的法官對這種案件真的要慎重的處理對這種個案不要你證據方面我覺得我們可以可以透過這個這個羈押的制度讓這些人不要存有僥倖的心理你這樣太快放他出來也不能他無感\n835518\t835819\t主席林委員\n","txt":"發言,謝謝主席秘書長,我先跟您就教我們少年事件處理法的問題因為新北市的校園割井案所以司法院在2月19號召開了一起來體檢少年事件處理法\n雖然司法院邀請許多民間團體和教授但整場座團會的結果被民間單位批評根本就是摸頭大會現場司法院也都沒有針對問題做出任何具體的回覆\n也因此包含國教行動聯盟以及還想陪你長大聯盟都一同召開記者會．並再次呼籲司法應該要召集跨院協商會議正式相關的訴求並提出具體的改善回應\n那我看到司法院在被批評後那最近也又對外表示除已經就19日當天各方的建言那陸續回信或回電外以洽商行政院安排兩院政策協商平台會議的這樣的一個事宜那我個人是認為司法院你這樣的一個回覆\n立法院秘書長列席\n成立這樣的一個平台真的是有效率更有效率更有效益嗎很簡單的來說啊這個這種事情不就是司法院要跟其他單位一起就民間的需求反應以及現在存在的問題內部彼此直接面對面競速開會討論然後直接提出解決問題的方法就可以\n請秘書長來做一個回答\n向委員說明這些我們邵家廳都在那個2月19號那個那個會議做談會之後就有我們邵家廳有陸續跟行政院有關教育部內政部因為有些必須要兩院之間要互相配合這一部分我請我們邵家廳長回答\n謝謝委員關注這樣的問題那跟委員報告就是從108年的少年身體處理法的修法那當時其實就是為了要根本解決每一個少年其實他在成長需要家庭的功能的親子教育的這些資源\n在校園的就教權還有包括少年的就業權所以在少司法108年修正的時候我們就透過少司法86條的第3項就有要求要訂一個少年事件跟這個行政機關的一個就是聯繫辦法所以從100這個就是10年開始我們已經連續3年每年至少一次跟行政院\n由政務委員：司法院秘書長主持．共同召開兩院政治協商平臺．因為他少年成長．從他的舊學權．比如說國民基本的義務教育．教育部的主責事項．還有衛福部．兒童福利與權益保障法．\n蘇貞昌議員\n這個部分相關資料我們會後可以提供給這個就是委員來做一個參考的確每一年呢大家行政院跟本院都有提出提案那每一個提案呢都有具體做提倡你具體再把你的這個成效具體用書面答覆我了因為時間的關係其實我是想要了解這樣一個平台會議他是否確實能夠解決少年事情的處理和保護制度的問題\n還是說又是另外一個形式 開座談會 雙方平台會談一談那最後就一個空中樓閣少年這個平台會 它其實中央是行政院跟司法院你用書面回答我 因為時間的關係那我再問你對於民間團體提到的少年犯罪的徒消制度司法院的立場跟看法是如何\n跟委員報告,其實少司法的這個徒消制度呢,它其實在民國86年當時大概就是受到兒童權利公約的影響。那從這個我們103年已經把兒童權利公約內過法化了。是。\n所以您的看法還是一直維持跟過去的\n有受適當揭露這些少年犯罪的\n根委員誠實的報告那因為我們的徒銷制度已經運作多年那在世界的各國大家也都是要維護這些少年的一個前案的一個隱私那為了他們的一個復歸社會這個我了解啦但是因為目前發生這麼多少年的重大犯罪事件\n所以未來有沒有可能就是有一些特別的一個規定去對於這些重大犯罪的少年他的紀錄去做適當的揭露而且就是成年以後我們也不去塗銷他的犯罪紀錄我們會去審慎謹慎的嚴肅的看待但是我們如果說要處理這個部分可能就要回頭去檢視當時我們把兒權公約全國全面的內國法化之後這些也都是法律\n司法院大敗百事舉行座談會\n提出任何具體改善做法與完成時程\n施法院則無旁貸\n接下來我再請問一下,詐欺犯引渡回台未遭羈押以及詐騙的刑責。臺灣直播主晚安小雞在柬埔寨的詐騙園區直播的案子,後來他們受到當地法院裁定犯下煽動製造社會動亂罪,判處兩年有期徒刑,另外每人罰款400萬減幣。\n那不少民眾都對判決結果感到大快人心還有人要求從眾良心但是也有律師表示說這樣毫無節制的刑法真的很可怕所以我想請問秘書長您認為這樣的判決是毫無節制很可怕嗎因為這個現在要救任何人民要救者的話\n應該要有一套程序,正當的程序這我們都了解,其實我要告訴您的就是我們現在詐欺犯罪,我們已經變成詐騙王國了詐欺犯罪在院檢,大部分都是詐欺犯罪了,如何的惡主詐欺犯罪\n當然這個源頭的二組很重要但是我覺得司法院在判決這一端可能我們也要去研擬是不是也可以來做適當的組決所以速審速決重重量刑這件事情司法院似乎可以做的就是說我們看到說那個國外人家政府在可以速審速決而且很快的就量刑確定判決確定這個刑度也不輕\n但是我們司法院有沒有去這個未來就是檢討改進我們是不是也要御請我們的法官對於這個詐欺犯罪恕審恕結要拖阿固阿然後又判很輕阿\n委員長您贊成嗎?您是不是未來可以在政治方面做這樣的檢討改進?因為我們法官也應該要來傾聽社會各界的聲音因為現在確實詐欺犯太多了\n所以我才會說是不是我們看到人家國外速審速捷啊崇重良心啊大快人心啊所以我們未來我們司法院是不是也可以把這樣的案例作為參考要求我們的法院的法官遇到這種案件速審速捷嘛\n趕快就判了嘛,快很準嘛你不要拖啦拖太久大家都感覺無感那些炸氣犯他們完全無感,而且有時候判很輕啊判太輕了,他們又重啟爐灶,出來又是一條好漢了民主黨,這個是不是可以往這個方向來著手就是我們法院判決這一端我覺得這樣才可以有效遏阻我們的炸氣犯罪\n最近又看到一個案例,電信詐騙犯遭波蘭拘留6年的流性男子\n今年初被引渡回國受審後：卻沒有受到羈押：由法院裁定限制住居放他自由：所以我們警察有員警就表示這些回國繼續行騙的犯人為打不死的小強\n民間肯定警察的辛勞的同時但卻有這樣不少詐騙犯送到院檢後僅僅以數萬元就可以交保然後又繼續在外繼續找下一個受害者行騙這樣的情勢其實在我們現在看到不管是檢方院方層出不窮詐欺犯移送到院檢\n司法院的立場看法是如何?\n委員長你簡單回答因為有些個案畢竟有時候犯罪在國外涉及到一些政績的收集像這種有時候是相對性的因為在當事人他有他的人權涉及到也要有證據\n那有些個案他可能在國外他在政治方面那一部分：會涉及到政治的問題有些個案他會 我知道是個案但是就是草草的給他交保你覺得這樣子是不是我們在整個對於這些炸蟋蟀的這個懲處方面會讓警察感到寒心他們抓得很辛苦結果到院長就給他交保\n所以這個是也是我是認為也是未來我們司法院要預請我們不管是檢察官或者我們的法官對這種案件真的要慎重的處理對這種個案不要你證據方面我覺得我們可以可以透過這個這個羈押的制度讓這些人不要存有僥倖的心理你這樣太快放他出來也不能他無感\n主席林委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.629 --> 00:18.683\n發言,謝謝主席秘書長,我先跟您就教我們少年事件處理法的問題因為新北市的校園割井案所以司法院在2月19號召開了一起來體檢少年事件處理法\n\n00:20.044 --> 00:35.810\n雖然司法院邀請許多民間團體和教授但整場座團會的結果被民間單位批評根本就是摸頭大會現場司法院也都沒有針對問題做出任何具體的回覆\n\n00:36.630 --> 00:53.743\n也因此包含國教行動聯盟以及還想陪你長大聯盟都一同召開記者會．並再次呼籲司法應該要召集跨院協商會議正式相關的訴求並提出具體的改善回應\n\n00:54.946 --> 01:19.074\n那我看到司法院在被批評後那最近也又對外表示除已經就19日當天各方的建言那陸續回信或回電外以洽商行政院安排兩院政策協商平台會議的這樣的一個事宜那我個人是認為司法院你這樣的一個回覆\n\n01:20.128 --> 01:20.588\n立法院秘書長列席\n\n01:37.455 --> 02:01.730\n成立這樣的一個平台真的是有效率更有效率更有效益嗎很簡單的來說啊這個這種事情不就是司法院要跟其他單位一起就民間的需求反應以及現在存在的問題內部彼此直接面對面競速開會討論然後直接提出解決問題的方法就可以\n\n02:02.290 --> 02:02.750\n請秘書長來做一個回答\n\n02:28.221 --> 02:51.688\n向委員說明這些我們邵家廳都在那個2月19號那個那個會議做談會之後就有我們邵家廳有陸續跟行政院有關教育部內政部因為有些必須要兩院之間要互相配合這一部分我請我們邵家廳長回答\n\n02:56.300 --> 03:13.398\n謝謝委員關注這樣的問題那跟委員報告就是從108年的少年身體處理法的修法那當時其實就是為了要根本解決每一個少年其實他在成長需要家庭的功能的親子教育的這些資源\n\n03:14.159 --> 03:38.455\n在校園的就教權還有包括少年的就業權所以在少司法108年修正的時候我們就透過少司法86條的第3項就有要求要訂一個少年事件跟這個行政機關的一個就是聯繫辦法所以從100這個就是10年開始我們已經連續3年每年至少一次跟行政院\n\n03:39.195 --> 03:42.998\n由政務委員：司法院秘書長主持．共同召開兩院政治協商平臺．因為他少年成長．從他的舊學權．比如說國民基本的義務教育．教育部的主責事項．還有衛福部．兒童福利與權益保障法．\n\n03:59.107 --> 03:59.127\n蘇貞昌議員\n\n04:29.907 --> 04:55.399\n這個部分相關資料我們會後可以提供給這個就是委員來做一個參考的確每一年呢大家行政院跟本院都有提出提案那每一個提案呢都有具體做提倡你具體再把你的這個成效具體用書面答覆我了因為時間的關係其實我是想要了解這樣一個平台會議他是否確實能夠解決少年事情的處理和保護制度的問題\n\n04:57.000 --> 05:22.791\n還是說又是另外一個形式開座談會雙方平台會談一談那最後就一個空中樓閣少年這個平台會它其實中央是行政院跟司法院你用書面回答我因為時間的關係那我再問你對於民間團體提到的少年犯罪的徒消制度司法院的立場跟看法是如何\n\n05:24.026 --> 05:38.653\n跟委員報告,其實少司法的這個徒消制度呢,它其實在民國86年當時大概就是受到兒童權利公約的影響。那從這個我們103年已經把兒童權利公約內過法化了。是。\n\n05:38.933 --> 05:39.754\n所以您的看法還是一直維持跟過去的\n\n05:56.837 --> 05:57.597\n有受適當揭露這些少年犯罪的\n\n06:16.142 --> 06:34.484\n根委員誠實的報告那因為我們的徒銷制度已經運作多年那在世界的各國大家也都是要維護這些少年的一個前案的一個隱私那為了他們的一個復歸社會這個我了解啦但是因為目前發生這麼多少年的重大犯罪事件\n\n06:35.385 --> 07:04.267\n所以未來有沒有可能就是有一些特別的一個規定去對於這些重大犯罪的少年他的紀錄去做適當的揭露而且就是成年以後我們也不去塗銷他的犯罪紀錄我們會去審慎謹慎的嚴肅的看待但是我們如果說要處理這個部分可能就要回頭去檢視當時我們把兒權公約全國全面的內國法化之後這些也都是法律\n\n07:05.287 --> 07:05.847\n司法院大敗百事舉行座談會\n\n07:28.555 --> 07:31.897\n提出任何具體改善做法與完成時程\n\n07:46.465 --> 07:46.785\n施法院則無旁貸\n\n08:14.213 --> 08:37.527\n接下來我再請問一下,詐欺犯引渡回台未遭羈押以及詐騙的刑責。臺灣直播主晚安小雞在柬埔寨的詐騙園區直播的案子,後來他們受到當地法院裁定犯下煽動製造社會動亂罪,判處兩年有期徒刑,另外每人罰款400萬減幣。\n\n08:40.208 --> 09:05.019\n那不少民眾都對判決結果感到大快人心還有人要求從眾良心但是也有律師表示說這樣毫無節制的刑法真的很可怕所以我想請問秘書長您認為這樣的判決是毫無節制很可怕嗎因為這個現在要救任何人民要救者的話\n\n09:07.130 --> 09:26.748\n應該要有一套程序,正當的程序這我們都了解,其實我要告訴您的就是我們現在詐欺犯罪,我們已經變成詐騙王國了詐欺犯罪在院檢,大部分都是詐欺犯罪了,如何的惡主詐欺犯罪\n\n09:27.689 --> 09:54.964\n當然這個源頭的二組很重要但是我覺得司法院在判決這一端可能我們也要去研擬是不是也可以來做適當的組決所以速審速決重重量刑這件事情司法院似乎可以做的就是說我們看到說那個國外人家政府在可以速審速決而且很快的就量刑確定判決確定這個刑度也不輕\n\n09:56.425 --> 10:07.484\n但是我們司法院有沒有去這個未來就是檢討改進我們是不是也要御請我們的法官對於這個詐欺犯罪恕審恕結要拖阿固阿然後又判很輕阿\n\n10:12.163 --> 10:23.881\n委員長您贊成嗎?您是不是未來可以在政治方面做這樣的檢討改進?因為我們法官也應該要來傾聽社會各界的聲音因為現在確實詐欺犯太多了\n\n10:26.866 --> 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