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00:03:06,452\n因為這樣看他們排的委員會的時間那我了解就是說森林的經營他們大概這一兩個禮拜就會審了那因為我們在做這個方法學的時候其實隨時都有跟環境部在溝通而不是他們不知道啦所以在整個方法學的過程中如果順利的話就應該他們經過審就會很快好那如果審核通過了你要怎麼輔導農民他們要怎樣進入所謂一個攤位的市場現在就是因為農民如果用一個人一個人的話\n\n10\n00:03:07,433 --> 00:03:26,393\n的價值並不多而且很麻煩所以我們現在有點類似那農業部做東去處理然後我們用獎勵的方式把它取得這樣的一個探權然後把這些這些探的這些量我們再拿到交易所或者其他的方式再處理我們希望用這樣的方式讓小農比較單純\n\n11\n00:03:29,016 --> 00:03:30,437\n那不早請問那就海洋的部分呢\n\n12\n00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:15,236\n海洋是一個大家都說很有潛力但是相關的技術都還沒有很成熟那以現在來講我們這邊澎湖的部分有些海藻床海藻床的部分我們現在開始在海藻嘛對不對阿雄我一直在意的就是蚵仔嘛\n\n13\n00:04:19,518 --> 00:04:34,729\n我跟委員報告,柯克本身並沒有碳,因為他的二氧化碳的排放大於他的吸收所以柯克本身他並不是碳的一個淨的吸收者\n\n14\n00:04:35,809 --> 00:04:44,402\n所以你覺得牠的牌放的PC數比較多?因為已經成長過程中的消耗掉的二氧化碳有沒有比它固定的還多這個是我們現在的專家研究出來我們要用企鵝蠟附加價值的機會就少了\n\n15\n00:04:50,931 --> 00:05:13,467\n對,但是相對的,用循環在利用的價值很高,我跟委員報告,過去羅勒坑本身只可以做肥料,好不好?我知道現在有這麼多,我們都開放了,他可以用來輪胎,輪胎有人在做水泥壩,也有人在做一些化妝面膜,甚至有把那個蚵粉也可以去做\n\n16\n00:05:14,267 --> 00:05:40,233\n去做那個海水淨化啦現在這就是因為農業部把這個用途開放了以後現在有很多所以柯柯本身的再利用是有錢的好沒關係因為講到了這個牡蠣啦那我要進一步的去講因為現在大概我們從越南進口進來的我們不要說早熟的我們說學發一年大概逐年攀高啦大概在112年的時候已經逼近這一個\n\n17\n00:05:41,274 --> 00:05:41,294\n4000公噸\n\n18\n00:05:48,459 --> 00:06:17,593\n但是我看他們112年每個月的分佈你看剛才高峰的差不多就是在8、9、10、11如果以這個整個蚵仔的產季大概也是在中秋前後大概是蚵仔的產季收成量最多的抓收成量最多的時候抓進口最多這是什麼道理?因為我們在吃蚵仔我們不會分季節\n\n19\n00:06:19,499 --> 00:06:46,555\n我先報告,進俄羅斯的人都對我們本來俄羅斯的產量都很有掌握所以他通常都是在這個產季然後我們國內的產量不足的時候來進口啦所以才會看到這個趨勢當我們的產季然後我們的產量可能受到氣候因素影響產量比較低的時候有沒有他這時候進來他的價格會比較高所以我們現在的目的就是說我要想辦法讓我們的國產的蚵仔\n\n20\n00:06:48,456 --> 00:06:48,556\n主席\n\n21\n00:07:04,912 --> 00:07:23,030\n對嗎?對你還吃蚵仔你有去看廣告嗎?那表明說我們外國沒有我們中國有,沒有啦,都在你說當初啦啊我們當初的產季就剛好90月算是最多啊,算是孫晉浩最多對我看起來這個就是都要雲霧粉珠啦我覺得這個真的要\n\n22\n00:07:24,531 --> 00:07:35,320\n你們要用心然後去做好他們進口的他們進口我們沒辦法中董嘛可是至少我們要做一些管制嘛不要讓這個進口去影響到了我們在地科農的一個收成這樣好不好\n\n23\n00:07:42,267 --> 00:07:56,508\n我想非常謝謝委員這個部分我非常重視特別是當我們的那個額外的進口額外我們可以有技術去區分跟國產區分以後我們的台灣額外的標章我們會去加強就去推到那現在比較有問題的可能是\n\n24\n00:07:58,262 --> 00:08:08,548\n總統市長,因為你當超市的人你有履歷、有溯源可以追溯嘛當然,現在都有標籤啦,因為那些整包都有做溯源所以我們也在研議說有沒有機會利用農產品生產驗證管理的辦法把它列入散裝食品也應該要標示產地的一個法源\n\n25\n00:08:20,675 --> 00:08:27,563\n那這樣的話你再產生那個傳統市長的話你也要擦牌子你如果你不能去跟人家說那是台牛這個我們會來研究這個我們會來研究這個我們會來研究這個我們會來研究這個我們會來研究這個我們會來研究這個我們會來研究\n\n26\n00:08:37,734 --> 00:08:48,158\n昨年小選颱風之後,我還是要跟我們整個農業部勾勒啦,你們在推動黃曉裕齁,你們很努力在推動這個,這是轉做雜糧,去年齁,這兩年就追加了一千公頃的玉米面積,我們都做到了,在下的時候,哇麻煩來了\n\n27\n00:08:59,914 --> 00:09:18,100\n災害來的,我覺得你們在遇到很多事情的時候,在處理的時候都很僵化我們再一次的小選颱風那也災害全面性的,全面性的災害然後有這麼多我們這裡的農民,他就已經打他,所以他就打補打補下去,然後去小選颱風找打他,所以他就快要新的種子再進補\n\n28\n00:09:25,950 --> 00:09:31,671\n我還可以找那個帶根的人證明我可以出去我買了兩次種子的證明結果後來就是沒辦法\n\n29\n00:09:49,255 --> 00:09:53,339\n我覺得他如果以這樣的觀點來說,沒差我們在推動黃曉裕你看玉米齁,種植玉米尤其飼料玉米的我之前也有跟那個蘇丁我有跟他講過嘛,我們在那個河川齁,我們那個河邊的淨有米的啦,那個河堤啊,河川的工地種植玉米的\n\n30\n00:10:10,976 --> 00:10:29,014\n他們的收入因為飼料玉米不夠飼料玉米有時收成好壞壞貢而他的單價比較低所以他也沒辦法收入到達了兩萬塊以上的勒我們的農會的農保會不認定然後因為他種植飼料玉米去影響到他的農保資格\n\n31\n00:10:29,955 --> 00:10:45,349\n這件事也有紮實發生所以我看到就是說我們這麼努力的在推動種植雜糧轉做然後種植轉做黃小玉啊結果呢種植雜糧的福利呢好利益就是比較賣讓大家說我前10年我不會輸次等公民的\n\n32\n00:10:47,691 --> 00:11:07,418\n我覺得這件事我們檢討一下好不好我向委員報告我現在已經要求運動人齁我們現在利用我們的勘栽的APP像你剛剛說的齁他如果說受損了以後他照相啊因為那個軟體是我們農業部開發的他可以標他的點位有那個軟體我知道啊這樣的話那個軟體我知道啊問題就是說有的農民就是老農齁他就不知道我們就直接宣傳他就不知道啊不然他就說啊不然我有八項證明啊\n\n33\n00:11:15,302 --> 00:11:29,930\n我意思是說這個彈性的一個我想我們會研究齁當然說我們要鼓勵他們去做拍照甚至我覺得我們應該要利用無人機台灣在發展無人機的時候以後類似這種全面性的拍照勒就無人機去做一次那個賣了\n\n34\n00:11:31,411 --> 00:11:35,952\n好,我們還有很多事啦,都要忍住怕病的,我們都有很多東西要替我們的農民來想,盡量讓他們改變就好,這樣好不好?好,謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t15856\t委員請做詢答。謝謝主席,那有請部長。我們再請陳部長。\n24600\t39644\t部長好部長那個淨零碳排吼啊我們現在農業部吼力拼要提早10年啊所以這個淨零碳排當然包括減量、增匯、循環、濾漆式、濾漆式那我想要問部長就是說啊教練這樣這個幾回吼\n41405\t49449\t那未來農民要怎麼在進行碳排的時候包括農漁民那可以變成他們利用增匯來增加所謂農業的一個價值這個附加價值阿你那個價值是什麼\n55507\t76705\t我向委員報告,特別在減量跟增匯的部分,跟農民有關的就是農地的一個土壤的管理的辦法。農地的土壤管理辦法的相關的這些規範,我們已經規劃好,也送到環境部那邊。包括森林,包括海洋。我們更重要就是說,\n77506\t91964\t有一些農民的作為他可以得到一些碳的效益的時候這些效益可以把它變成價值化換句話說會變成農民的多一項受益啦對啦我就是很期待這個啊\n92645\t120126\t所以我覺得這個是要趕快去推動的嘛﹖他說他的價值嘛﹖他怎麼用這樣去換匯的那個方式嘛﹖我減碳那我看現在高雄也成立了我們的這個碳源交易所嘛﹖碳源交易所也開始在做那個方法學的研究那你們現在送了幾個方法學?我們現在送的應該是三個已經送到那個環境部去然後還有四個已經我們已經快要完成了那這三個是什麼?\n120706\t135802\t那三個就是森林、竹林跟土壤。森林、竹林跟土壤。阿就是森林就是包括我們說的嘛,包括林下經濟嘛,包括阿他去平地造林嘛,平地造林。要種樹要種有效的樹嘛。對,然後他要怎麼去產生他的價值嘛。\n141568\t141968\t蔡易餘蔡易餘\n159674\t186452\t因為這樣看他們排的委員會的時間那我了解就是說森林的經營他們大概這一兩個禮拜就會審了那因為我們在做這個方法學的時候其實隨時都有跟環境部在溝通而不是他們不知道啦所以在整個方法學的過程中如果順利的話就應該他們經過審就會很快好那如果審核通過了你要怎麼輔導農民他們要怎樣進入所謂一個攤位的市場現在就是因為農民如果用一個人一個人的話\n187433\t206393\t的價值並不多而且很麻煩所以我們現在有點類似那農業部做東去處理然後我們用獎勵的方式把它取得這樣的一個探權然後把這些這些探的這些量我們再拿到交易所或者其他的方式再處理我們希望用這樣的方式讓小農比較單純\n209016\t210437\t那不早請問 那就海洋的部分呢\n236440\t255236\t海洋是一個大家都說很有潛力但是相關的技術都還沒有很成熟那以現在來講我們這邊澎湖的部分有些海藻床海藻床的部分我們現在開始在海藻嘛對不對阿雄我一直在意的就是蚵仔嘛\n259518\t274729\t我跟委員報告,柯克本身並沒有碳,因為他的二氧化碳的排放大於他的吸收所以柯克本身他並不是碳的一個淨的吸收者\n275809\t284402\t所以你覺得牠的牌放的PC數比較多?因為已經成長過程中的消耗掉的二氧化碳有沒有比它固定的還多這個是我們現在的專家研究出來我們要用企鵝蠟附加價值的機會就少了\n290931\t313467\t對,但是相對的,用循環在利用的價值很高,我跟委員報告,過去羅勒坑本身只可以做肥料,好不好?我知道現在有這麼多,我們都開放了,他可以用來輪胎,輪胎 有人在做水泥壩,也有人在做一些化妝面膜,甚至有把那個蚵粉也可以去做\n314267\t340233\t去做那個海水淨化啦現在這就是因為農業部把這個用途開放了以後現在有很多所以柯柯本身的再利用是有錢的好沒關係因為講到了這個牡蠣啦那我要進一步的去講因為現在大概我們從越南進口進來的我們不要說早熟的我們說學發一年大概逐年攀高啦大概在112年的時候已經逼近這一個\n341274\t341294\t4000公噸\n348459\t377593\t但是我看他們112年每個月的分佈 你看剛才高峰的差不多就是在8、9、10、11如果以這個整個蚵仔的產季大概也是在中秋前後大概是蚵仔的產季收成量最多的抓收成量最多的時候抓進口最多這是什麼道理?因為我們在吃蚵仔我們不會分季節\n379499\t406555\t我先報告,進俄羅斯的人都對我們本來俄羅斯的產量都很有掌握所以他通常都是在這個產季然後我們國內的產量不足的時候來進口啦所以才會看到這個趨勢當我們的產季然後我們的產量可能受到氣候因素影響產量比較低的時候有沒有他這時候進來他的價格會比較高所以我們現在的目的就是說我要想辦法讓我們的國產的蚵仔\n408456\t408556\t主席\n424912\t443030\t對嗎?對你還吃蚵仔你有去看廣告嗎?那表明說我們外國沒有我們中國有,沒有啦,都在你說當初啦啊我們當初的產季就剛好90月算是最多啊,算是孫晉浩最多對我看起來這個就是都要雲霧粉珠啦我覺得這個真的要\n444531\t455320\t你們要用心然後去做好他們進口的 他們進口我們沒辦法中董嘛可是至少我們要做一些管制嘛 不要讓這個進口去影響到了我們在地科農的一個收成這樣好不好\n462267\t476508\t我想非常謝謝委員這個部分我非常重視特別是當我們的那個額外的進口額外我們可以有技術去區分跟國產區分以後我們的台灣額外的標章我們會去加強就去推到那現在比較有問題的可能是\n478262\t488548\t總統市長,因為你當超市的人你有履歷、有溯源可以追溯嘛當然,現在都有標籤啦,因為那些整包都有做溯源所以我們也在研議說有沒有機會利用農產品生產驗證管理的辦法把它列入散裝食品也應該要標示產地的一個法源\n500675\t507563\t那這樣的話你再產生那個傳統市長的話你也要擦牌子你如果你不能去跟人家說那是台牛這個我們會來研究這個我們會來研究這個我們會來研究這個我們會來研究這個我們會來研究這個我們會來研究這個我們會來研究\n517734\t528158\t昨年小選颱風之後,我還是要跟我們整個農業部勾勒啦,你們在推動黃曉裕齁,你們很努力在推動這個,這是轉做雜糧,去年齁,這兩年就追加了一千公頃的玉米面積,我們都做到了,在下的時候,哇麻煩來了\n539914\t558100\t災害來的,我覺得你們在遇到很多事情的時候,在處理的時候都很僵化我們再一次的小選颱風那也災害全面性的,全面性的災害然後有這麼多我們這裡的農民,他就已經打他,所以他就打補打補下去,然後去小選颱風找打他,所以他就快要新的種子再進補\n565950\t571671\t我還可以找那個帶根的人證明我可以出去我買了兩次種子的證明結果後來就是沒辦法\n589255\t593339\t我覺得他如果以這樣的觀點來說,沒差我們在推動黃曉裕你看玉米齁,種植玉米尤其飼料玉米的我之前也有跟那個蘇丁我有跟他講過嘛,我們在那個河川齁,我們那個河邊的淨有米的啦,那個河堤啊,河川的工地種植玉米的\n610976\t629014\t他們的收入 因為飼料玉米不夠 飼料玉米有時收成好壞壞貢 而他的單價比較低 所以他也沒辦法收入到達了兩萬塊以上的勒 我們的農會的農保會不認定 然後因為他種植飼料玉米去影響到他的農保資格\n629955\t645349\t這件事也有紮實發生所以我看到就是說我們這麼努力的在推動種植雜糧轉做然後種植轉做黃小玉啊結果呢種植雜糧的福利呢好利益就是比較賣讓大家說我前10年我不會輸次等公民的\n647691\t667418\t我覺得這件事我們檢討一下好不好我向委員報告我現在已經要求運動人齁我們現在利用我們的勘栽的APP像你剛剛說的齁他如果說受損了以後他照相啊因為那個軟體是我們農業部開發的他可以標他的點位有那個軟體我知道啊這樣的話那個軟體我知道啊問題就是說有的農民就是老農齁他就不知道我們就直接宣傳他就不知道啊不然他就說啊不然我有八項證明啊\n675302\t689930\t我意思是說這個彈性的一個我想我們會研究齁當然說我們要鼓勵他們去做拍照甚至我覺得我們應該要利用無人機台灣在發展無人機的時候以後類似這種全面性的拍照勒就無人機去做一次那個賣了\n691411\t695952\t好,我們還有很多事啦,都要忍住怕病的,我們都有很多東西要替我們的農民來想,盡量讓他們改變就好,這樣好不好?好,謝謝\n","txt":"委員請做詢答。謝謝主席,那有請部長。我們再請陳部長。\n部長好部長那個淨零碳排吼啊我們現在農業部吼力拼要提早10年啊所以這個淨零碳排當然包括減量、增匯、循環、濾漆式、濾漆式那我想要問部長就是說啊教練這樣這個幾回吼\n那未來農民要怎麼在進行碳排的時候包括農漁民那可以變成他們利用增匯來增加所謂農業的一個價值這個附加價值阿你那個價值是什麼\n我向委員報告,特別在減量跟增匯的部分,跟農民有關的就是農地的一個土壤的管理的辦法。農地的土壤管理辦法的相關的這些規範,我們已經規劃好,也送到環境部那邊。包括森林,包括海洋。我們更重要就是說,\n有一些農民的作為他可以得到一些碳的效益的時候這些效益可以把它變成價值化換句話說會變成農民的多一項受益啦對啦我就是很期待這個啊\n所以我覺得這個是要趕快去推動的嘛﹖他說他的價值嘛﹖他怎麼用這樣去換匯的那個方式嘛﹖我減碳那我看現在高雄也成立了我們的這個碳源交易所嘛﹖碳源交易所也開始在做那個方法學的研究那你們現在送了幾個方法學?我們現在送的應該是三個已經送到那個環境部去然後還有四個已經我們已經快要完成了那這三個是什麼?\n那三個就是森林、竹林跟土壤。森林、竹林跟土壤。阿就是森林就是包括我們說的嘛,包括林下經濟嘛,包括阿他去平地造林嘛,平地造林。要種樹要種有效的樹嘛。對,然後他要怎麼去產生他的價值嘛。\n蔡易餘蔡易餘\n因為這樣看他們排的委員會的時間那我了解就是說森林的經營他們大概這一兩個禮拜就會審了那因為我們在做這個方法學的時候其實隨時都有跟環境部在溝通而不是他們不知道啦所以在整個方法學的過程中如果順利的話就應該他們經過審就會很快好那如果審核通過了你要怎麼輔導農民他們要怎樣進入所謂一個攤位的市場現在就是因為農民如果用一個人一個人的話\n的價值並不多而且很麻煩所以我們現在有點類似那農業部做東去處理然後我們用獎勵的方式把它取得這樣的一個探權然後把這些這些探的這些量我們再拿到交易所或者其他的方式再處理我們希望用這樣的方式讓小農比較單純\n那不早請問 那就海洋的部分呢\n海洋是一個大家都說很有潛力但是相關的技術都還沒有很成熟那以現在來講我們這邊澎湖的部分有些海藻床海藻床的部分我們現在開始在海藻嘛對不對阿雄我一直在意的就是蚵仔嘛\n我跟委員報告,柯克本身並沒有碳,因為他的二氧化碳的排放大於他的吸收所以柯克本身他並不是碳的一個淨的吸收者\n所以你覺得牠的牌放的PC數比較多?因為已經成長過程中的消耗掉的二氧化碳有沒有比它固定的還多這個是我們現在的專家研究出來我們要用企鵝蠟附加價值的機會就少了\n對,但是相對的,用循環在利用的價值很高,我跟委員報告,過去羅勒坑本身只可以做肥料,好不好?我知道現在有這麼多,我們都開放了,他可以用來輪胎,輪胎 有人在做水泥壩,也有人在做一些化妝面膜,甚至有把那個蚵粉也可以去做\n去做那個海水淨化啦現在這就是因為農業部把這個用途開放了以後現在有很多所以柯柯本身的再利用是有錢的好沒關係因為講到了這個牡蠣啦那我要進一步的去講因為現在大概我們從越南進口進來的我們不要說早熟的我們說學發一年大概逐年攀高啦大概在112年的時候已經逼近這一個\n4000公噸\n但是我看他們112年每個月的分佈 你看剛才高峰的差不多就是在8、9、10、11如果以這個整個蚵仔的產季大概也是在中秋前後大概是蚵仔的產季收成量最多的抓收成量最多的時候抓進口最多這是什麼道理?因為我們在吃蚵仔我們不會分季節\n我先報告,進俄羅斯的人都對我們本來俄羅斯的產量都很有掌握所以他通常都是在這個產季然後我們國內的產量不足的時候來進口啦所以才會看到這個趨勢當我們的產季然後我們的產量可能受到氣候因素影響產量比較低的時候有沒有他這時候進來他的價格會比較高所以我們現在的目的就是說我要想辦法讓我們的國產的蚵仔\n主席\n對嗎?對你還吃蚵仔你有去看廣告嗎?那表明說我們外國沒有我們中國有,沒有啦,都在你說當初啦啊我們當初的產季就剛好90月算是最多啊,算是孫晉浩最多對我看起來這個就是都要雲霧粉珠啦我覺得這個真的要\n你們要用心然後去做好他們進口的 他們進口我們沒辦法中董嘛可是至少我們要做一些管制嘛 不要讓這個進口去影響到了我們在地科農的一個收成這樣好不好\n我想非常謝謝委員這個部分我非常重視特別是當我們的那個額外的進口額外我們可以有技術去區分跟國產區分以後我們的台灣額外的標章我們會去加強就去推到那現在比較有問題的可能是\n總統市長,因為你當超市的人你有履歷、有溯源可以追溯嘛當然,現在都有標籤啦,因為那些整包都有做溯源所以我們也在研議說有沒有機會利用農產品生產驗證管理的辦法把它列入散裝食品也應該要標示產地的一個法源\n那這樣的話你再產生那個傳統市長的話你也要擦牌子你如果你不能去跟人家說那是台牛這個我們會來研究這個我們會來研究這個我們會來研究這個我們會來研究這個我們會來研究這個我們會來研究這個我們會來研究\n昨年小選颱風之後,我還是要跟我們整個農業部勾勒啦,你們在推動黃曉裕齁,你們很努力在推動這個,這是轉做雜糧,去年齁,這兩年就追加了一千公頃的玉米面積,我們都做到了,在下的時候,哇麻煩來了\n災害來的,我覺得你們在遇到很多事情的時候,在處理的時候都很僵化我們再一次的小選颱風那也災害全面性的,全面性的災害然後有這麼多我們這裡的農民,他就已經打他,所以他就打補打補下去,然後去小選颱風找打他,所以他就快要新的種子再進補\n我還可以找那個帶根的人證明我可以出去我買了兩次種子的證明結果後來就是沒辦法\n我覺得他如果以這樣的觀點來說,沒差我們在推動黃曉裕你看玉米齁,種植玉米尤其飼料玉米的我之前也有跟那個蘇丁我有跟他講過嘛,我們在那個河川齁,我們那個河邊的淨有米的啦,那個河堤啊,河川的工地種植玉米的\n他們的收入 因為飼料玉米不夠 飼料玉米有時收成好壞壞貢 而他的單價比較低 所以他也沒辦法收入到達了兩萬塊以上的勒 我們的農會的農保會不認定 然後因為他種植飼料玉米去影響到他的農保資格\n這件事也有紮實發生所以我看到就是說我們這麼努力的在推動種植雜糧轉做然後種植轉做黃小玉啊結果呢種植雜糧的福利呢好利益就是比較賣讓大家說我前10年我不會輸次等公民的\n我覺得這件事我們檢討一下好不好我向委員報告我現在已經要求運動人齁我們現在利用我們的勘栽的APP像你剛剛說的齁他如果說受損了以後他照相啊因為那個軟體是我們農業部開發的他可以標他的點位有那個軟體我知道啊這樣的話那個軟體我知道啊問題就是說有的農民就是老農齁他就不知道我們就直接宣傳他就不知道啊不然他就說啊不然我有八項證明啊\n我意思是說這個彈性的一個我想我們會研究齁當然說我們要鼓勵他們去做拍照甚至我覺得我們應該要利用無人機台灣在發展無人機的時候以後類似這種全面性的拍照勒就無人機去做一次那個賣了\n好,我們還有很多事啦,都要忍住怕病的,我們都有很多東西要替我們的農民來想,盡量讓他們改變就好,這樣好不好?好,謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:15.856\n委員請做詢答。謝謝主席,那有請部長。我們再請陳部長。\n\n00:24.600 --> 00:39.644\n部長好部長那個淨零碳排吼啊我們現在農業部吼力拼要提早10年啊所以這個淨零碳排當然包括減量、增匯、循環、濾漆式、濾漆式那我想要問部長就是說啊教練這樣這個幾回吼\n\n00:41.405 --> 00:49.449\n那未來農民要怎麼在進行碳排的時候包括農漁民那可以變成他們利用增匯來增加所謂農業的一個價值這個附加價值阿你那個價值是什麼\n\n00:55.507 --> 01:16.705\n我向委員報告,特別在減量跟增匯的部分,跟農民有關的就是農地的一個土壤的管理的辦法。農地的土壤管理辦法的相關的這些規範,我們已經規劃好,也送到環境部那邊。包括森林,包括海洋。我們更重要就是說,\n\n01:17.506 --> 01:31.964\n有一些農民的作為他可以得到一些碳的效益的時候這些效益可以把它變成價值化換句話說會變成農民的多一項受益啦對啦我就是很期待這個啊\n\n01:32.645 --> 02:00.126\n所以我覺得這個是要趕快去推動的嘛﹖他說他的價值嘛﹖他怎麼用這樣去換匯的那個方式嘛﹖我減碳那我看現在高雄也成立了我們的這個碳源交易所嘛﹖碳源交易所也開始在做那個方法學的研究那你們現在送了幾個方法學?我們現在送的應該是三個已經送到那個環境部去然後還有四個已經我們已經快要完成了那這三個是什麼?\n\n02:00.706 --> 02:15.802\n那三個就是森林、竹林跟土壤。森林、竹林跟土壤。阿就是森林就是包括我們說的嘛,包括林下經濟嘛,包括阿他去平地造林嘛,平地造林。要種樹要種有效的樹嘛。對,然後他要怎麼去產生他的價值嘛。\n\n02:21.568 --> 02:21.968\n蔡易餘蔡易餘\n\n02:39.674 --> 03:06.452\n因為這樣看他們排的委員會的時間那我了解就是說森林的經營他們大概這一兩個禮拜就會審了那因為我們在做這個方法學的時候其實隨時都有跟環境部在溝通而不是他們不知道啦所以在整個方法學的過程中如果順利的話就應該他們經過審就會很快好那如果審核通過了你要怎麼輔導農民他們要怎樣進入所謂一個攤位的市場現在就是因為農民如果用一個人一個人的話\n\n03:07.433 --> 03:26.393\n的價值並不多而且很麻煩所以我們現在有點類似那農業部做東去處理然後我們用獎勵的方式把它取得這樣的一個探權然後把這些這些探的這些量我們再拿到交易所或者其他的方式再處理我們希望用這樣的方式讓小農比較單純\n\n03:29.016 --> 03:30.437\n那不早請問那就海洋的部分呢\n\n03:56.440 --> 04:15.236\n海洋是一個大家都說很有潛力但是相關的技術都還沒有很成熟那以現在來講我們這邊澎湖的部分有些海藻床海藻床的部分我們現在開始在海藻嘛對不對阿雄我一直在意的就是蚵仔嘛\n\n04:19.518 --> 04:34.729\n我跟委員報告,柯克本身並沒有碳,因為他的二氧化碳的排放大於他的吸收所以柯克本身他並不是碳的一個淨的吸收者\n\n04:35.809 --> 04:44.402\n所以你覺得牠的牌放的PC數比較多?因為已經成長過程中的消耗掉的二氧化碳有沒有比它固定的還多這個是我們現在的專家研究出來我們要用企鵝蠟附加價值的機會就少了\n\n04:50.931 --> 05:13.467\n對,但是相對的,用循環在利用的價值很高,我跟委員報告,過去羅勒坑本身只可以做肥料,好不好?我知道現在有這麼多,我們都開放了,他可以用來輪胎,輪胎有人在做水泥壩,也有人在做一些化妝面膜,甚至有把那個蚵粉也可以去做\n\n05:14.267 --> 05:40.233\n去做那個海水淨化啦現在這就是因為農業部把這個用途開放了以後現在有很多所以柯柯本身的再利用是有錢的好沒關係因為講到了這個牡蠣啦那我要進一步的去講因為現在大概我們從越南進口進來的我們不要說早熟的我們說學發一年大概逐年攀高啦大概在112年的時候已經逼近這一個\n\n05:41.274 --> 05:41.294\n4000公噸\n\n05:48.459 --> 06:17.593\n但是我看他們112年每個月的分佈你看剛才高峰的差不多就是在8、9、10、11如果以這個整個蚵仔的產季大概也是在中秋前後大概是蚵仔的產季收成量最多的抓收成量最多的時候抓進口最多這是什麼道理?因為我們在吃蚵仔我們不會分季節\n\n06:19.499 --> 06:46.555\n我先報告,進俄羅斯的人都對我們本來俄羅斯的產量都很有掌握所以他通常都是在這個產季然後我們國內的產量不足的時候來進口啦所以才會看到這個趨勢當我們的產季然後我們的產量可能受到氣候因素影響產量比較低的時候有沒有他這時候進來他的價格會比較高所以我們現在的目的就是說我要想辦法讓我們的國產的蚵仔\n\n06:48.456 --> 06:48.556\n主席\n\n07:04.912 --> 07:23.030\n對嗎?對你還吃蚵仔你有去看廣告嗎?那表明說我們外國沒有我們中國有,沒有啦,都在你說當初啦啊我們當初的產季就剛好90月算是最多啊,算是孫晉浩最多對我看起來這個就是都要雲霧粉珠啦我覺得這個真的要\n\n07:24.531 --> 07:35.320\n你們要用心然後去做好他們進口的他們進口我們沒辦法中董嘛可是至少我們要做一些管制嘛不要讓這個進口去影響到了我們在地科農的一個收成這樣好不好\n\n07:42.267 --> 07:56.508\n我想非常謝謝委員這個部分我非常重視特別是當我們的那個額外的進口額外我們可以有技術去區分跟國產區分以後我們的台灣額外的標章我們會去加強就去推到那現在比較有問題的可能是\n\n07:58.262 --> 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