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00:01:26,974\n從百分之二十到百分之百,你們是什麼樣的,譬如說是因為邊境抽菸的結果是不合格率越來越高,你們是才逐批提高這個比例的抽菸,或者是有什麼情資說某家廠商可能有進蘇丹紅,是這樣子還是什麼樣的狀況?\n\n5\n00:01:31,526 --> 00:01:57,480\n這個部分去年從5月開始到12月的時候100%的足批差異這中間其實是我們發現說它的違規的比例是居高不下是所以你抽更多並不會說比例下降而是比例還一樣而且甚至更高所以我們才逐步的一直加強抽批\n\n6\n00:01:58,180 --> 00:02:24,524\n不過要在這邊再度說明就是在當時的抽批所謂的不合格的話是包括農藥是包括農藥並不是只有針對蘇丹紅去做那我想請教部長就是說我看到就是說你們在12月份已經是抽驗比例是達到百分之百那到隔年113年的1月底就是有人\n\n7\n00:02:24,804 --> 00:02:25,224\n所以我再解釋一次就是說\n\n8\n00:02:45,794 --> 00:02:59,626\n在還沒有百分之百投幣之前就有進來了所以那個後市場查到是在那一個之前百分之一百的話就如果有不合格就已經擋掉了\n\n9\n00:03:00,995 --> 00:03:21,447\n我想請教部長我們看到昨天的新聞在下有廠商知名的火鍋店也有蘇丹色素那你們有沒有去回推比如說這些進口商他到底把這個蘇丹色素就是後市場是賣給誰我覺得應該是要由食藥署這邊應該要去\n\n10\n00:03:23,892 --> 00:03:47,384\n應該要去勾肌,讓更多人知道,要不然這個可能也許這個知名的火鍋店他自己本身也不知道說這個是不可以用的這部分的話就是我們尋現在往下追查,那第一個環節的部分就是說像保鑫這幾家公司,他們進來賣到哪裡去的話,在我們的系統裡面是可以查得到\n\n11\n00:03:48,204 --> 00:04:07,082\n所以這一個部分是比較沒有問題但是第二層的這些廠商因為他可能會有一些加工的現象把他製造成分裝或者是說製造成其他的一個產品所以這部分的話就變成必須要一家一家去調查\n\n12\n00:04:08,132 --> 00:04:24,958\n所以這個一家一家調查是由你們調查還是由地方政府?對,由我們配合地方政府去一家一家去做調查才知道說它在往下的流向是到哪邊去所以最近的話大概就是在處理的已經到這一層了\n\n13\n00:04:26,419 --> 00:04:40,975\n我們在2月9號就已經有查到這家保鑫公司他就是進口這個辣椒粉那如果說當時你們已經是通知地方政府那也一家一家去查的話因為我們\n\n14\n00:04:41,576 --> 00:04:59,614\n昨天才知道這樣的一個訊息就是火鍋店也有用這個蘇丹色素那像這樣子的話距離到現在已經將近有一個月的時間那我是希望就是說有沒有可能在這個你們查到之後那也要求地方政府也要在短時間內\n\n15\n00:05:01,676 --> 00:05:12,595\n他們的所有的這個廠商賣給誰可能就是要把他勾結出來避免民眾吃了之後那個有的可能全部都吃到肚子裡面去了\n\n16\n00:05:14,325 --> 00:05:33,142\n對,所以這一個部分的話,不過現實上還是有它的困難,所以馬上就可以知道了。比如說我們去查了保鑫,知道保鑫有賣給寄生嘛,那寄生公司到底又把它變成什麼樣的東西的話,這個沒有去找寄生去一樣一樣去對的話是不可能知道的。\n\n17\n00:05:34,463 --> 00:05:49,681\n所以跟紀生對了之後才知道說他從保新這邊進口的這些違規的產品的批號是哪一些的話是製成什麼樣的產品往哪邊去銷售\n\n18\n00:05:50,682 --> 00:06:16,732\n這部分的話在我們的系統裡面沒有辦法追到所以這個是不是在我們的系統也要做一些比較精進的有它的困難度會有它的困難度因為它的產品有些品項太多一家公司製造出來的項目就非常多而且你每一個項目的話還要再去登記那個到底它賣到哪裡去的話要在這裡面去做的話是有它實質上的困難不過\n\n19\n00:06:18,072 --> 00:06:47,094\n碰到這樣子我們去追蹤的時候就針對這些違規產品是循線下去調查是比較可行的那針對這個蘇丹色素它原本就不應該在食品上出現嘛對不對那我想請教部長就是說你本身也是法律也是法律出身嘛那我想請教就是說以前在這個這個混油的案件當中可能我們這個行政裁法就是可能可以先做行政裁法\n\n20\n00:06:47,714 --> 00:07:03,010\n那我看到現在好像食藥署或地方的這個衛生機關就是在這個好像在這個司法判決出爐之前好像沒有一個裁罰的空間我想請教是不是針對這樣的一個\n\n21\n00:07:07,054 --> 00:07:33,269\n我們講說不良的廠商這個原本不應該在食品上面出現的那因為我覺得說第一線的這個查驗的同仁其實也非常的辛苦那到地方政府這個衛生局的這個同仁更辛苦然後因為他們要查的東西真的是太多了那那像這樣子的話未來我們可以怎麼樣去去處理一方面可以遏止或者是可以讓這些\n\n22\n00:07:34,469 --> 00:08:00,430\n他不法要進口這些東西進來的時候他至少他知道說那我可能進來之後我可能會受到的這個處罰或是罰款非常的多這部分分兩個第一個就是說在行政法法上面的話當然就是有先行刑法先行事後行政的這樣子一個規定但是他指的是處罰是同一類的比如說罰金跟罰款\n\n23\n00:08:02,111 --> 00:08:16,260\n這可能就是讓法院去判決有多少罰金至於說要有期徒刑這一類的話那只有刑事行政是沒有有期徒刑的但是其他的行政的處罰的話就沒有在這一個\n\n24\n00:08:18,861 --> 00:08:41,117\n行法的範圍之內,比如說讓他停止下架、停止販售、測銷他的執照,這些都是屬於行政的。行政的這些處分,事實上是不必等刑事判決就可以去做的。\n\n25\n00:08:42,238 --> 00:08:57,955\n我希望就是說因為大家都對這個食品安全都非常的重視我希望一般民眾他到現在他會覺得說我連吃一個火鍋我都會擔心說裡面是不是有蘇丹色素、蘇丹紅所以一般的民眾要怎麼去辨別\n\n26\n00:08:59,695 --> 00:09:23,365\n其實這一個添加紅色色素的事實上有一些是合法的有些是非法的非法的部分的話其實這個蘇丹色素的話會讓這一個顏色是比較鮮豔那以我們現在來看的話今天這個案件裡面很多是因為他\n\n27\n00:09:25,311 --> 00:09:38,239\n那個辣椒炒過或處理過之後製成辣椒粉的時候它顏色就會改變變黃或變黑所以廠商就會想要加紅色色素讓它賣相是比較好看\n\n28\n00:09:40,316 --> 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部長就今天這個食品安全蘇丹色素我想請教部長就是我們看到這個衛福部在針對這個中國輸入的辣椒粉其實在去年5月份的時候你們也有針對這個辣椒粉\n34817\t34857\t黃秀芳議員\n53192\t53253\t黃秀芳議員\n69356\t86974\t從百分之二十到百分之百,你們是什麼樣的,譬如說是因為邊境抽菸的結果是不合格率越來越高,你們是才逐批提高這個比例的抽菸,或者是有什麼情資說某家廠商可能有進蘇丹紅,是這樣子還是什麼樣的狀況?\n91526\t117480\t這個部分去年從5月開始到12月的時候100%的足批差異這中間其實是我們發現說它的違規的比例是居高不下是所以你抽更多並不會說比例下降而是比例還一樣而且甚至更高所以我們才逐步的一直加強抽批\n118180\t144524\t不過要在這邊再度說明就是在當時的抽批所謂的不合格的話是包括農藥是包括農藥並不是只有針對蘇丹紅去做那我想請教部長就是說我看到就是說你們在12月份已經是抽驗比例是達到百分之百那到隔年113年的1月底就是有人\n144804\t145224\t所以我再解釋一次就是說\n165794\t179626\t在還沒有百分之百投幣之前就有進來了所以那個後市場查到是在那一個之前百分之一百的話就如果有不合格就已經擋掉了\n180995\t201447\t我想請教部長我們看到昨天的新聞在下有廠商知名的火鍋店也有蘇丹色素那你們有沒有去回推比如說這些進口商他到底把這個蘇丹色素就是後市場是賣給誰我覺得應該是要由食藥署這邊應該要去\n203892\t227384\t應該要去勾肌,讓更多人知道,要不然這個可能也許這個知名的火鍋店他自己本身也不知道說這個是不可以用的這部分的話就是我們尋現在往下追查,那第一個環節的部分就是說像保鑫這幾家公司,他們進來賣到哪裡去的話,在我們的系統裡面是可以查得到\n228204\t247082\t所以這一個部分是比較沒有問題但是第二層的這些廠商因為他可能會有一些加工的現象把他製造成分裝或者是說製造成其他的一個產品所以這部分的話就變成必須要一家一家去調查\n248132\t264958\t所以這個一家一家調查是由你們調查還是由地方政府?對,由我們配合地方政府去一家一家去做調查才知道說它在往下的流向是到哪邊去所以最近的話大概就是在處理的已經到這一層了\n266419\t280975\t我們在2月9號就已經有查到這家保鑫公司他就是進口這個辣椒粉那如果說當時你們已經是通知地方政府那也一家一家去查的話因為我們\n281576\t299614\t昨天才知道這樣的一個訊息就是火鍋店也有用這個蘇丹色素那像這樣子的話距離到現在已經將近有一個月的時間那我是希望就是說有沒有可能在這個你們查到之後那也要求地方政府也要在短時間內\n301676\t312595\t他們的所有的這個廠商賣給誰可能就是要把他勾結出來避免民眾吃了之後那個有的可能全部都吃到肚子裡面去了\n314325\t333142\t對,所以這一個部分的話,不過現實上還是有它的困難,所以馬上就可以知道了。比如說我們去查了保鑫,知道保鑫有賣給寄生嘛,那寄生公司到底又把它變成什麼樣的東西的話,這個沒有去找寄生去一樣一樣去對的話是不可能知道的。\n334463\t349681\t所以跟紀生對了之後才知道說他從保新這邊進口的這些違規的產品的批號是哪一些的話是製成什麼樣的產品往哪邊去銷售\n350682\t376732\t這部分的話在我們的系統裡面沒有辦法追到所以這個是不是在我們的系統也要做一些比較精進的有它的困難度會有它的困難度因為它的產品有些品項太多一家公司製造出來的項目就非常多而且你每一個項目的話還要再去登記那個到底它賣到哪裡去的話要在這裡面去做的話是有它實質上的困難不過\n378072\t407094\t碰到這樣子我們去追蹤的時候就針對這些違規產品是循線下去調查是比較可行的那針對這個蘇丹色素它原本就不應該在食品上出現嘛對不對那我想請教部長就是說你本身也是法律也是法律出身嘛那我想請教就是說以前在這個這個混油的案件當中可能我們這個行政裁法就是可能可以先做行政裁法\n407714\t423010\t那我看到現在好像食藥署或地方的這個衛生機關就是在這個好像在這個司法判決出爐之前好像沒有一個裁罰的空間我想請教是不是針對這樣的一個\n427054\t453269\t我們講說不良的廠商這個原本不應該在食品上面出現的那因為我覺得說第一線的這個查驗的同仁其實也非常的辛苦那到地方政府這個衛生局的這個同仁更辛苦然後因為他們要查的東西真的是太多了那那像這樣子的話未來我們可以怎麼樣去去處理一方面可以遏止或者是可以讓這些\n454469\t480430\t他不法要進口這些東西進來的時候他至少他知道說那我可能進來之後我可能會受到的這個處罰或是罰款非常的多這部分分兩個第一個就是說在行政法法上面的話當然就是有先行刑法先行事後行政的這樣子一個規定但是他指的是處罰是同一類的比如說罰金跟罰款\n482111\t496260\t這可能就是讓法院去判決有多少罰金至於說要有期徒刑這一類的話那只有刑事行政是沒有有期徒刑的但是其他的行政的處罰的話就沒有在這一個\n498861\t521117\t行法的範圍之內,比如說讓他停止下架、停止販售、測銷他的執照,這些都是屬於行政的。行政的這些處分,事實上是不必等刑事判決就可以去做的。\n522238\t537955\t我希望就是說因為大家都對這個食品安全都非常的重視我希望一般民眾他到現在他會覺得說我連吃一個火鍋我都會擔心說裡面是不是有蘇丹色素、蘇丹紅所以一般的民眾要怎麼去辨別\n539695\t563365\t其實這一個添加紅色色素的事實上有一些是合法的有些是非法的非法的部分的話其實這個蘇丹色素的話會讓這一個顏色是比較鮮豔那以我們現在來看的話今天這個案件裡面很多是因為他\n565311\t578239\t那個辣椒炒過或處理過之後製成辣椒粉的時候它顏色就會改變變黃或變黑所以廠商就會想要加紅色色素讓它賣相是比較好看\n580316\t603781\t像這樣子的蘇丹社會其實我們的肉眼並沒有辦法去分辨說他到底是合法的這一個社會所以就是要從源頭管理但是我們會把這些有問題的這些違法的這些的產品的批號我們會對外去公開來所以民眾有疑慮的話其實是可以去對照一下\n604721\t606122\t黃秀芳委員的質詢\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們請部長好 請部長部長好 部長就今天這個食品安全蘇丹色素我想請教部長就是我們看到這個衛福部在針對這個中國輸入的辣椒粉其實在去年5月份的時候你們也有針對這個辣椒粉\n黃秀芳議員\n黃秀芳議員\n從百分之二十到百分之百,你們是什麼樣的,譬如說是因為邊境抽菸的結果是不合格率越來越高,你們是才逐批提高這個比例的抽菸,或者是有什麼情資說某家廠商可能有進蘇丹紅,是這樣子還是什麼樣的狀況?\n這個部分去年從5月開始到12月的時候100%的足批差異這中間其實是我們發現說它的違規的比例是居高不下是所以你抽更多並不會說比例下降而是比例還一樣而且甚至更高所以我們才逐步的一直加強抽批\n不過要在這邊再度說明就是在當時的抽批所謂的不合格的話是包括農藥是包括農藥並不是只有針對蘇丹紅去做那我想請教部長就是說我看到就是說你們在12月份已經是抽驗比例是達到百分之百那到隔年113年的1月底就是有人\n所以我再解釋一次就是說\n在還沒有百分之百投幣之前就有進來了所以那個後市場查到是在那一個之前百分之一百的話就如果有不合格就已經擋掉了\n我想請教部長我們看到昨天的新聞在下有廠商知名的火鍋店也有蘇丹色素那你們有沒有去回推比如說這些進口商他到底把這個蘇丹色素就是後市場是賣給誰我覺得應該是要由食藥署這邊應該要去\n應該要去勾肌,讓更多人知道,要不然這個可能也許這個知名的火鍋店他自己本身也不知道說這個是不可以用的這部分的話就是我們尋現在往下追查,那第一個環節的部分就是說像保鑫這幾家公司,他們進來賣到哪裡去的話,在我們的系統裡面是可以查得到\n所以這一個部分是比較沒有問題但是第二層的這些廠商因為他可能會有一些加工的現象把他製造成分裝或者是說製造成其他的一個產品所以這部分的話就變成必須要一家一家去調查\n所以這個一家一家調查是由你們調查還是由地方政府?對,由我們配合地方政府去一家一家去做調查才知道說它在往下的流向是到哪邊去所以最近的話大概就是在處理的已經到這一層了\n我們在2月9號就已經有查到這家保鑫公司他就是進口這個辣椒粉那如果說當時你們已經是通知地方政府那也一家一家去查的話因為我們\n昨天才知道這樣的一個訊息就是火鍋店也有用這個蘇丹色素那像這樣子的話距離到現在已經將近有一個月的時間那我是希望就是說有沒有可能在這個你們查到之後那也要求地方政府也要在短時間內\n他們的所有的這個廠商賣給誰可能就是要把他勾結出來避免民眾吃了之後那個有的可能全部都吃到肚子裡面去了\n對,所以這一個部分的話,不過現實上還是有它的困難,所以馬上就可以知道了。比如說我們去查了保鑫,知道保鑫有賣給寄生嘛,那寄生公司到底又把它變成什麼樣的東西的話,這個沒有去找寄生去一樣一樣去對的話是不可能知道的。\n所以跟紀生對了之後才知道說他從保新這邊進口的這些違規的產品的批號是哪一些的話是製成什麼樣的產品往哪邊去銷售\n這部分的話在我們的系統裡面沒有辦法追到所以這個是不是在我們的系統也要做一些比較精進的有它的困難度會有它的困難度因為它的產品有些品項太多一家公司製造出來的項目就非常多而且你每一個項目的話還要再去登記那個到底它賣到哪裡去的話要在這裡面去做的話是有它實質上的困難不過\n碰到這樣子我們去追蹤的時候就針對這些違規產品是循線下去調查是比較可行的那針對這個蘇丹色素它原本就不應該在食品上出現嘛對不對那我想請教部長就是說你本身也是法律也是法律出身嘛那我想請教就是說以前在這個這個混油的案件當中可能我們這個行政裁法就是可能可以先做行政裁法\n那我看到現在好像食藥署或地方的這個衛生機關就是在這個好像在這個司法判決出爐之前好像沒有一個裁罰的空間我想請教是不是針對這樣的一個\n我們講說不良的廠商這個原本不應該在食品上面出現的那因為我覺得說第一線的這個查驗的同仁其實也非常的辛苦那到地方政府這個衛生局的這個同仁更辛苦然後因為他們要查的東西真的是太多了那那像這樣子的話未來我們可以怎麼樣去去處理一方面可以遏止或者是可以讓這些\n他不法要進口這些東西進來的時候他至少他知道說那我可能進來之後我可能會受到的這個處罰或是罰款非常的多這部分分兩個第一個就是說在行政法法上面的話當然就是有先行刑法先行事後行政的這樣子一個規定但是他指的是處罰是同一類的比如說罰金跟罰款\n這可能就是讓法院去判決有多少罰金至於說要有期徒刑這一類的話那只有刑事行政是沒有有期徒刑的但是其他的行政的處罰的話就沒有在這一個\n行法的範圍之內,比如說讓他停止下架、停止販售、測銷他的執照,這些都是屬於行政的。行政的這些處分,事實上是不必等刑事判決就可以去做的。\n我希望就是說因為大家都對這個食品安全都非常的重視我希望一般民眾他到現在他會覺得說我連吃一個火鍋我都會擔心說裡面是不是有蘇丹色素、蘇丹紅所以一般的民眾要怎麼去辨別\n其實這一個添加紅色色素的事實上有一些是合法的有些是非法的非法的部分的話其實這個蘇丹色素的話會讓這一個顏色是比較鮮豔那以我們現在來看的話今天這個案件裡面很多是因為他\n那個辣椒炒過或處理過之後製成辣椒粉的時候它顏色就會改變變黃或變黑所以廠商就會想要加紅色色素讓它賣相是比較好看\n像這樣子的蘇丹社會其實我們的肉眼並沒有辦法去分辨說他到底是合法的這一個社會所以就是要從源頭管理但是我們會把這些有問題的這些違法的這些的產品的批號我們會對外去公開來所以民眾有疑慮的話其實是可以去對照一下\n黃秀芳委員的質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.079 --> 00:34.297\n謝謝主席我們請部長好請部長部長好部長就今天這個食品安全蘇丹色素我想請教部長就是我們看到這個衛福部在針對這個中國輸入的辣椒粉其實在去年5月份的時候你們也有針對這個辣椒粉\n\n00:34.817 --> 00:34.857\n黃秀芳議員\n\n00:53.192 --> 00:53.253\n黃秀芳議員\n\n01:09.356 --> 01:26.974\n從百分之二十到百分之百,你們是什麼樣的,譬如說是因為邊境抽菸的結果是不合格率越來越高,你們是才逐批提高這個比例的抽菸,或者是有什麼情資說某家廠商可能有進蘇丹紅,是這樣子還是什麼樣的狀況?\n\n01:31.526 --> 01:57.480\n這個部分去年從5月開始到12月的時候100%的足批差異這中間其實是我們發現說它的違規的比例是居高不下是所以你抽更多並不會說比例下降而是比例還一樣而且甚至更高所以我們才逐步的一直加強抽批\n\n01:58.180 --> 02:24.524\n不過要在這邊再度說明就是在當時的抽批所謂的不合格的話是包括農藥是包括農藥並不是只有針對蘇丹紅去做那我想請教部長就是說我看到就是說你們在12月份已經是抽驗比例是達到百分之百那到隔年113年的1月底就是有人\n\n02:24.804 --> 02:25.224\n所以我再解釋一次就是說\n\n02:45.794 --> 02:59.626\n在還沒有百分之百投幣之前就有進來了所以那個後市場查到是在那一個之前百分之一百的話就如果有不合格就已經擋掉了\n\n03:00.995 --> 03:21.447\n我想請教部長我們看到昨天的新聞在下有廠商知名的火鍋店也有蘇丹色素那你們有沒有去回推比如說這些進口商他到底把這個蘇丹色素就是後市場是賣給誰我覺得應該是要由食藥署這邊應該要去\n\n03:23.892 --> 03:47.384\n應該要去勾肌,讓更多人知道,要不然這個可能也許這個知名的火鍋店他自己本身也不知道說這個是不可以用的這部分的話就是我們尋現在往下追查,那第一個環節的部分就是說像保鑫這幾家公司,他們進來賣到哪裡去的話,在我們的系統裡面是可以查得到\n\n03:48.204 --> 04:07.082\n所以這一個部分是比較沒有問題但是第二層的這些廠商因為他可能會有一些加工的現象把他製造成分裝或者是說製造成其他的一個產品所以這部分的話就變成必須要一家一家去調查\n\n04:08.132 --> 04:24.958\n所以這個一家一家調查是由你們調查還是由地方政府?對,由我們配合地方政府去一家一家去做調查才知道說它在往下的流向是到哪邊去所以最近的話大概就是在處理的已經到這一層了\n\n04:26.419 --> 04:40.975\n我們在2月9號就已經有查到這家保鑫公司他就是進口這個辣椒粉那如果說當時你們已經是通知地方政府那也一家一家去查的話因為我們\n\n04:41.576 --> 04:59.614\n昨天才知道這樣的一個訊息就是火鍋店也有用這個蘇丹色素那像這樣子的話距離到現在已經將近有一個月的時間那我是希望就是說有沒有可能在這個你們查到之後那也要求地方政府也要在短時間內\n\n05:01.676 --> 05:12.595\n他們的所有的這個廠商賣給誰可能就是要把他勾結出來避免民眾吃了之後那個有的可能全部都吃到肚子裡面去了\n\n05:14.325 --> 05:33.142\n對,所以這一個部分的話,不過現實上還是有它的困難,所以馬上就可以知道了。比如說我們去查了保鑫,知道保鑫有賣給寄生嘛,那寄生公司到底又把它變成什麼樣的東西的話,這個沒有去找寄生去一樣一樣去對的話是不可能知道的。\n\n05:34.463 --> 05:49.681\n所以跟紀生對了之後才知道說他從保新這邊進口的這些違規的產品的批號是哪一些的話是製成什麼樣的產品往哪邊去銷售\n\n05:50.682 --> 06:16.732\n這部分的話在我們的系統裡面沒有辦法追到所以這個是不是在我們的系統也要做一些比較精進的有它的困難度會有它的困難度因為它的產品有些品項太多一家公司製造出來的項目就非常多而且你每一個項目的話還要再去登記那個到底它賣到哪裡去的話要在這裡面去做的話是有它實質上的困難不過\n\n06:18.072 --> 06:47.094\n碰到這樣子我們去追蹤的時候就針對這些違規產品是循線下去調查是比較可行的那針對這個蘇丹色素它原本就不應該在食品上出現嘛對不對那我想請教部長就是說你本身也是法律也是法律出身嘛那我想請教就是說以前在這個這個混油的案件當中可能我們這個行政裁法就是可能可以先做行政裁法\n\n06:47.714 --> 07:03.010\n那我看到現在好像食藥署或地方的這個衛生機關就是在這個好像在這個司法判決出爐之前好像沒有一個裁罰的空間我想請教是不是針對這樣的一個\n\n07:07.054 --> 07:33.269\n我們講說不良的廠商這個原本不應該在食品上面出現的那因為我覺得說第一線的這個查驗的同仁其實也非常的辛苦那到地方政府這個衛生局的這個同仁更辛苦然後因為他們要查的東西真的是太多了那那像這樣子的話未來我們可以怎麼樣去去處理一方面可以遏止或者是可以讓這些\n\n07:34.469 --> 08:00.430\n他不法要進口這些東西進來的時候他至少他知道說那我可能進來之後我可能會受到的這個處罰或是罰款非常的多這部分分兩個第一個就是說在行政法法上面的話當然就是有先行刑法先行事後行政的這樣子一個規定但是他指的是處罰是同一類的比如說罰金跟罰款\n\n08:02.111 --> 08:16.260\n這可能就是讓法院去判決有多少罰金至於說要有期徒刑這一類的話那只有刑事行政是沒有有期徒刑的但是其他的行政的處罰的話就沒有在這一個\n\n08:18.861 --> 08:41.117\n行法的範圍之內,比如說讓他停止下架、停止販售、測銷他的執照,這些都是屬於行政的。行政的這些處分,事實上是不必等刑事判決就可以去做的。\n\n08:42.238 --> 08:57.955\n我希望就是說因為大家都對這個食品安全都非常的重視我希望一般民眾他到現在他會覺得說我連吃一個火鍋我都會擔心說裡面是不是有蘇丹色素、蘇丹紅所以一般的民眾要怎麼去辨別\n\n08:59.695 --> 09:23.365\n其實這一個添加紅色色素的事實上有一些是合法的有些是非法的非法的部分的話其實這個蘇丹色素的話會讓這一個顏色是比較鮮豔那以我們現在來看的話今天這個案件裡面很多是因為他\n\n09:25.311 --> 09:38.239\n那個辣椒炒過或處理過之後製成辣椒粉的時候它顏色就會改變變黃或變黑所以廠商就會想要加紅色色素讓它賣相是比較好看\n\n09:40.316 --> 10:03.781\n像這樣子的蘇丹社會其實我們的肉眼並沒有辦法去分辨說他到底是合法的這一個社會所以就是要從源頭管理但是我們會把這些有問題的這些違法的這些的產品的批號我們會對外去公開來所以民眾有疑慮的話其實是可以去對照一下\n\n10:04.721 --> 10:06.122\n黃秀芳委員的質詢\n\n","segments":[{"start":6.079,"end":34.297,"text":"謝謝主席 我們請部長好 請部長部長好 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