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待會兒有同樣的議題，這個議題我們經濟委員會就已經作這樣子的決議，好嗎？謝謝。","接下來我們請鄭天財Sra 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00:02:43,361\n因為整個政府的現在就是說雖然說我們比較早對不對他們後來新的政策比較晚那我們就算我們再怎麼滾滾動檢討的時候他就只能擇一啦所以我才會說我現在用不用助學金不是啊那你知道你這一個部分你有去計算過到底有多少人因為這一個上路而沒辦法拿到這個助學金的\n\n8\n00:02:44,042 --> 00:02:47,206\n大概4萬多人,4萬多人對,這嚴不嚴重?那4萬多人怎麼辦?怎麼會因為說政府另外一項得證然後搞得我自己助學金沒有辦法申請?\n\n9\n00:03:03,465 --> 00:03:09,490\n那怎麼申請獎學金?我們現在避開政府同樣的助學概念那怎麼申請獎學金?因為現在我們從各農會、漁會都得到這個訊息這個訊息跟我們講的就是這麼清楚說有很多他們的農漁民過去有在申請助學金的這些子女現在面臨這個問題啊\n\n10\n00:03:30,287 --> 00:03:35,637\n對所以確實嘛4萬多個人嘛他可以去領另外教育部的部分嘛然後\n\n11\n00:03:37,506 --> 00:03:45,270\n部長你怎麼會叫他去領教育部的部分現在是你們農漁民子領資助學金原本可以領的變成不能領你怎麼可以讓小孩領教育部啊他們可以自己選嘛如果他選那邊的話我們用獎學金的方式我現在是講你相對配套啊對啊獎學金要怎麼申請你們還沒提出嘛我們現在在\n\n12\n00:04:07,148 --> 00:04:31,294\n報告委員我們會研議讓他不會領獎學金是重複助學金的問題這一部分我們會在下學期開申請之前我們會提出方案所以這個學期就沒有了這個學期他是要一般都會選取領取教育部那一部分的金額比較高當然啊但是公立學校還是有在領這一部分是啊\n\n13\n00:04:32,875 --> 00:04:38,158\n部長,四萬多個人不是四千多個人或四百多個人四萬多個人這個全國你們怎麼會沒有提早去做因應\n\n14\n00:04:58,032 --> 00:05:21,141\n然後等到現在大家提出來面對問題了你說下學期那這個學期等於沒有這學期要怎麼補救你們也要想啊因為預算就編在那裡嘛我想我們用這一學期的成績到年底這個成績我們可以來設計在這一學期的部分有沒有辦法用成績的部分就直接獎勵他然後比較正式的好什麼時候要把這個這個辦法弄出來這個這一學期辦法一定會出來吧不是\n\n15\n00:05:28,564 --> 00:05:49,693\n你剛講的下學期用獎學金這沒有問題那這個學期呢你說要用我們的學期分數嗎報告委員就是用這個學期的學期分數在學期到下學年度學期開始之前就可以讓他受理申請\n\n16\n00:05:51,243 --> 00:06:03,891\n那是補下學期阿!阿一定要上一年學年的成績阿!我知道委員的意思齁!我們會來另外想辦法在這一期剛好是空窗期的部分嘛!對啊!這空窗期阿!也沒有問題嘛!你是不是有一個叫所謂緩衝的辦法?是!就是說你今年對!就是說因為\n\n17\n00:06:13,997 --> 00:06:32,346\n我們因應施立大專院校學長費減免政策上路的部分然後有一個因為我們的助學金不能重複領取的狀態所以為了要補救不能影響到我們鼓勵這些農漁民子女他們\n\n18\n00:06:33,507 --> 00:06:33,787\n是啊!\n\n19\n00:07:02,643 --> 00:07:25,379\n讓我們的從事農業的職業．而且也可以說．你們在下學期做申請的時候．你們因為是以這個學期的．成績嘛．一併嘛．所以就是兩．變成是兩個學期嘛．準了之後就是兩個學期嘛．那到了明年之後我們就歸於正常嘛．一個學期一個學期申請嘛．這樣就OK啊．好不好\n\n20\n00:07:30,143 --> 00:07:39,860\n兩個月喔!因為你有兩個月嘛,你也不會活啊!對不對?對,你要先公告啊!而且我覺得你兩個月也來不及耶!你這樣公告怎麼會來得及?\n\n21\n00:07:41,431 --> 00:07:59,794\n因為學期,我們學期是到6月底啊。我們行政規定的話,公告就實施了啊。喔,公告就實施喔。你要來得及讓他可以申請喔。一定,一定。所以,部長,我們就這樣子做決定喔。做決議喔。就是\n\n22\n00:08:00,655 --> 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