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00:03:29,671\n那今年這個是從國外進口的這個產品辣椒粉的這個產品參了蘇丹紅本質上還是會有一些不一樣早上我在看一些違反的一些食品項目當中已經我已經多到看不完了\n\n10\n00:03:30,652 --> 00:03:53,584\n是不是要趕快的把他在媒體上公告給大家民眾知道說這些哪些東西已經不能再使用了?這一個部分就是我們目前在做的我們就是一家一家去回溯然後看這一個產品是有問題的我們就把這個產品的品名跟批號我們會把它公布出來\n\n11\n00:03:54,807 --> 00:04:07,864\n好第二個方面就是我們原住民的食材常常被歸類在未確認安全不得使用清單裡面那我剛剛看了一個雲端的資料大概目前這些不確定安全的名單裡面有537項\n\n12\n00:04:09,787 --> 00:04:32,520\n那如果以後有民眾捲舉達人就是說原住民的食材裡面是不安全的那被捲舉然後違法然後就被罰款對我們原住民來說非常的不合理因為我們就長期在使用這些比如說原生的一些植物那我希望在很短的時間裡面可以釐清這些平常我們在使用的一些特殊的葉子\n\n13\n00:04:33,180 --> 00:04:59,058\n那能夠公告為安全的名單裡面不然以後如果處罰做的人很辛苦、被罰的人更是可憐,是不是?這我們會找園民會跟還有就農業部一起來做討論目前已經公告了這裡面如果有一些屬於原住民的傳統的食材這部分的話那我們可以來討論一下\n\n14\n00:05:00,519 --> 00:05:10,260\n的確那個要去找科學證據證明他安全是有困難的我希望農業部、延民會跟地方的政府主管、原住民事務的一些官員一起參加來討論,謝謝\n\n15\n00:05:12,682 --> 00:05:33,516\n這項就是關於去年剛通過的原建法我希望他那個專責機構能夠建設的成立目前還沒有專責機構嗎?他有指定專責機構不過還沒有這目前我們的規劃是在這個照護師裡面的有一個科那專責是原住民健康事務的\n\n16\n00:05:34,156 --> 00:05:49,026\n那因為這一個還在跟人事總書這邊在商討所以以後是在照護師嗎對對會增加一個科那這一個部分的話是人事總書那邊還沒有核定好那以後如果有機會的話就請我一起開會好嗎\n\n17\n00:05:51,243 --> 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第二個方面就是我們原住民的食材常常被歸類在未確認安全不得使用清單裡面那我剛剛看了一個雲端的資料大概目前這些不確定安全的名單裡面有537項\n249787\t272520\t那如果以後有民眾捲舉達人就是說原住民的食材裡面是不安全的那被捲舉然後違法然後就被罰款對我們原住民來說非常的不合理因為我們就長期在使用這些比如說原生的一些植物那我希望在很短的時間裡面可以釐清這些平常我們在使用的一些特殊的葉子\n273180\t299058\t那能夠公告為安全的名單裡面不然以後如果處罰做的人很辛苦、被罰的人更是可憐,是不是?這我們會找園民會跟還有就農業部一起來做討論目前已經公告了這裡面如果有一些屬於原住民的傳統的食材這部分的話那我們可以來討論一下\n300519\t310260\t的確那個要去找科學證據證明他安全是有困難的我希望農業部、延民會跟地方的政府主管、原住民事務的一些官員一起參加來討論,謝謝\n312682\t333516\t這項就是關於去年剛通過的原建法我希望他那個專責機構能夠建設的成立目前還沒有專責機構嗎?他有指定專責機構不過還沒有這目前我們的規劃是在這個照護師裡面的有一個科那專責是原住民健康事務的\n334156\t349026\t那因為這一個還在跟人事總書這邊在商討所以以後是在照護師嗎對對會增加一個科那這一個部分的話是人事總書那邊還沒有核定好那以後如果有機會的話就請我一起開會好嗎\n351243\t376110\t那就是關於衛生所升級的部分因為部長都知道說我們原住民地區其實在照顧原住民健康的幾乎是衛生所那我從民國91年到離開去年離開衛生所退休其實衛生所沒有升級過我所謂的升級是應該人員的編制上面的一個升級比如說應該有行政組應該有防疫組應該有癌症組應該有醫療組\n377790\t381071\t這一個部分的話我們對衛生所裡面的這些編制曾經做了一次的變革那我們建議說裡面的話人力可以做怎麼樣的一個調整但是他並沒有\n404936\t430551\t因為其實衛生所還是在地方政府在人事編制的部分還是在地方政府的管轄之內如果這費夠的話是不是可以先從特別偏遠的地區開始施行比如說阿里山、霧台這些比較偏遠的地區讓我們的醫護人員可以免於疲憊奔命的在照顧我們的族人還要身兼行政的工作然後還要值班對不對\n431371\t449379\t好最後一個就是關於IDS的問題就是說他們在一個給付的一個值班費或者是一個訓療循環藥的津貼裡面就醫事的部分是沒有改變過也就是說我從91年進去到去年推出沒有改變過匯率人員稍微調整不過我總覺得\n450540\t451941\t你應該也知道因為這一個是在健保的範圍範圍之內\n478840\t488566\t我希望健保局那邊可以做一個檢討好嗎但是這還是要透過健保會等等這樣子的一個機制大家去做討論好謝謝\n","txt":"委員好,好久不見。\n我們都知道食品添加物在歐盟只有4項在臺灣竟然有高達17項那我是覺得我們臺灣國人的身障應該沒有比全世界的人家好可是我們卻有17項的去年通過了食品添加物的法所謂的\n盧縣一盧縣一\n不過7年前發生的時候是蔡英文剛上任也就是在105年的食安五環的那個政策之後發生的那也就是說如果當時在將近7年前這件事情已經發生了可是後來7年後已經是這麼久的食安五環為什麼又再度發生了對不對所以這不是應該更嚴格把關在主動上面對不對那\n還有一個就是如果我們在烹飪食材的時候有的時候會綁線有時候是一些我不知道的線它是不是也會沾染到一些工業用的燃料是不是也應該要當作一個比較常規的檢查我知道就中央的肝癌所說的查氣人員非常少也沒有增加這幾年只有增加一位在地方上更是如此不是嗎\n部長,我們在衛生局所最辛苦的就是稽查人員每一個人都很辛苦沒有做,稽查人員特別辛苦可是這方面的兵力預算是不是可以在下一任部長或者是你還是部長的時候能夠特別增加我們所謂的稽查員的人力編制他們的生活非常的辛苦對不對\n應該是說地方的這些人力的調配還是在地方政府手上那當然如果說針對食品稽查、食品藥品的稽查的部分的人力需要增加的話那其實是可以來跟中央這邊講那我們看能不能整體的起一個計畫來做就要是全國性的通盤檢討\n好那7年前這件事情是給鴨子吃的蘇丹紅7年後的這件事情是給人吃的辣椒粉你不覺得是退步嗎?不是進步是退步欸7年前那個是一個個案啦特例的有一個養鴨場的主人他把蘇丹紅放進去當飼料參雜在飼料裡面\n那今年這個是從國外進口的這個產品辣椒粉的這個產品參了蘇丹紅本質上還是會有一些不一樣早上我在看一些違反的一些食品項目當中已經我已經多到看不完了\n是不是要趕快的把他在媒體上公告給大家民眾知道說這些哪些東西已經不能再使用了?這一個部分就是我們目前在做的我們就是一家一家去回溯然後看這一個產品是有問題的我們就把這個產品的品名跟批號我們會把它公布出來\n好 第二個方面就是我們原住民的食材常常被歸類在未確認安全不得使用清單裡面那我剛剛看了一個雲端的資料大概目前這些不確定安全的名單裡面有537項\n那如果以後有民眾捲舉達人就是說原住民的食材裡面是不安全的那被捲舉然後違法然後就被罰款對我們原住民來說非常的不合理因為我們就長期在使用這些比如說原生的一些植物那我希望在很短的時間裡面可以釐清這些平常我們在使用的一些特殊的葉子\n那能夠公告為安全的名單裡面不然以後如果處罰做的人很辛苦、被罰的人更是可憐,是不是?這我們會找園民會跟還有就農業部一起來做討論目前已經公告了這裡面如果有一些屬於原住民的傳統的食材這部分的話那我們可以來討論一下\n的確那個要去找科學證據證明他安全是有困難的我希望農業部、延民會跟地方的政府主管、原住民事務的一些官員一起參加來討論,謝謝\n這項就是關於去年剛通過的原建法我希望他那個專責機構能夠建設的成立目前還沒有專責機構嗎?他有指定專責機構不過還沒有這目前我們的規劃是在這個照護師裡面的有一個科那專責是原住民健康事務的\n那因為這一個還在跟人事總書這邊在商討所以以後是在照護師嗎對對會增加一個科那這一個部分的話是人事總書那邊還沒有核定好那以後如果有機會的話就請我一起開會好嗎\n那就是關於衛生所升級的部分因為部長都知道說我們原住民地區其實在照顧原住民健康的幾乎是衛生所那我從民國91年到離開去年離開衛生所退休其實衛生所沒有升級過我所謂的升級是應該人員的編制上面的一個升級比如說應該有行政組應該有防疫組應該有癌症組應該有醫療組\n這一個部分的話我們對衛生所裡面的這些編制曾經做了一次的變革那我們建議說裡面的話人力可以做怎麼樣的一個調整但是他並沒有\n因為其實衛生所還是在地方政府在人事編制的部分還是在地方政府的管轄之內如果這費夠的話是不是可以先從特別偏遠的地區開始施行比如說阿里山、霧台這些比較偏遠的地區讓我們的醫護人員可以免於疲憊奔命的在照顧我們的族人還要身兼行政的工作然後還要值班對不對\n好最後一個就是關於IDS的問題就是說他們在一個給付的一個值班費或者是一個訓療循環藥的津貼裡面就醫事的部分是沒有改變過也就是說我從91年進去到去年推出沒有改變過匯率人員稍微調整不過我總覺得\n你應該也知道因為這一個是在健保的範圍範圍之內\n我希望健保局那邊可以做一個檢討好嗎但是這還是要透過健保會等等這樣子的一個機制大家去做討論好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.387 --> 00:09.067\n委員好,好久不見。\n\n00:21.775 --> 00:41.430\n我們都知道食品添加物在歐盟只有4項在臺灣竟然有高達17項那我是覺得我們臺灣國人的身障應該沒有比全世界的人家好可是我們卻有17項的去年通過了食品添加物的法所謂的\n\n00:43.306 --> 00:43.346\n盧縣一盧縣一\n\n01:05.253 --> 01:31.989\n不過7年前發生的時候是蔡英文剛上任也就是在105年的食安五環的那個政策之後發生的那也就是說如果當時在將近7年前這件事情已經發生了可是後來7年後已經是這麼久的食安五環為什麼又再度發生了對不對所以這不是應該更嚴格把關在主動上面對不對那\n\n01:33.212 --> 01:58.043\n還有一個就是如果我們在烹飪食材的時候有的時候會綁線有時候是一些我不知道的線它是不是也會沾染到一些工業用的燃料是不是也應該要當作一個比較常規的檢查我知道就中央的肝癌所說的查氣人員非常少也沒有增加這幾年只有增加一位在地方上更是如此不是嗎\n\n01:59.008 --> 02:21.701\n部長,我們在衛生局所最辛苦的就是稽查人員每一個人都很辛苦沒有做,稽查人員特別辛苦可是這方面的兵力預算是不是可以在下一任部長或者是你還是部長的時候能夠特別增加我們所謂的稽查員的人力編制他們的生活非常的辛苦對不對\n\n02:23.862 --> 02:47.776\n應該是說地方的這些人力的調配還是在地方政府手上那當然如果說針對食品稽查、食品藥品的稽查的部分的人力需要增加的話那其實是可以來跟中央這邊講那我們看能不能整體的起一個計畫來做就要是全國性的通盤檢討\n\n02:50.148 --> 03:11.048\n好那7年前這件事情是給鴨子吃的蘇丹紅7年後的這件事情是給人吃的辣椒粉你不覺得是退步嗎?不是進步是退步欸7年前那個是一個個案啦特例的有一個養鴨場的主人他把蘇丹紅放進去當飼料參雜在飼料裡面\n\n03:13.470 --> 03:29.671\n那今年這個是從國外進口的這個產品辣椒粉的這個產品參了蘇丹紅本質上還是會有一些不一樣早上我在看一些違反的一些食品項目當中已經我已經多到看不完了\n\n03:30.652 --> 03:53.584\n是不是要趕快的把他在媒體上公告給大家民眾知道說這些哪些東西已經不能再使用了?這一個部分就是我們目前在做的我們就是一家一家去回溯然後看這一個產品是有問題的我們就把這個產品的品名跟批號我們會把它公布出來\n\n03:54.807 --> 04:07.864\n好第二個方面就是我們原住民的食材常常被歸類在未確認安全不得使用清單裡面那我剛剛看了一個雲端的資料大概目前這些不確定安全的名單裡面有537項\n\n04:09.787 --> 04:32.520\n那如果以後有民眾捲舉達人就是說原住民的食材裡面是不安全的那被捲舉然後違法然後就被罰款對我們原住民來說非常的不合理因為我們就長期在使用這些比如說原生的一些植物那我希望在很短的時間裡面可以釐清這些平常我們在使用的一些特殊的葉子\n\n04:33.180 --> 04:59.058\n那能夠公告為安全的名單裡面不然以後如果處罰做的人很辛苦、被罰的人更是可憐,是不是?這我們會找園民會跟還有就農業部一起來做討論目前已經公告了這裡面如果有一些屬於原住民的傳統的食材這部分的話那我們可以來討論一下\n\n05:00.519 --> 05:10.260\n的確那個要去找科學證據證明他安全是有困難的我希望農業部、延民會跟地方的政府主管、原住民事務的一些官員一起參加來討論,謝謝\n\n05:12.682 --> 05:33.516\n這項就是關於去年剛通過的原建法我希望他那個專責機構能夠建設的成立目前還沒有專責機構嗎?他有指定專責機構不過還沒有這目前我們的規劃是在這個照護師裡面的有一個科那專責是原住民健康事務的\n\n05:34.156 --> 05:49.026\n那因為這一個還在跟人事總書這邊在商討所以以後是在照護師嗎對對會增加一個科那這一個部分的話是人事總書那邊還沒有核定好那以後如果有機會的話就請我一起開會好嗎\n\n05:51.243 --> 06:16.110\n那就是關於衛生所升級的部分因為部長都知道說我們原住民地區其實在照顧原住民健康的幾乎是衛生所那我從民國91年到離開去年離開衛生所退休其實衛生所沒有升級過我所謂的升級是應該人員的編制上面的一個升級比如說應該有行政組應該有防疫組應該有癌症組應該有醫療組\n\n06:17.790 --> 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