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00:01:51,358\n如果都未達標的情況底下我想我們保險法146、143條之六的話這個資本不足的措施跟資本顯著不足的部分都有相關的作為可是在報章媒體上對於星光的部分最清楚的部分僅就要求他增資嘛因為增資的部分一來一往來來回回好多次嘛最主要是這個部分嘛那到目前為止他透過星光\n\n6\n00:01:52,339 --> 00:01:59,998\n金的這個部分要認股這個新光能售711的部分這個有比較具體的一個進度嗎?\n\n7\n00:02:01,243 --> 00:02:27,192\n有,我們在1月22號、23號有發函,2月22號、23號有回函,還有提出一些增資的計畫,我們正在研究中,正在處理中。可是李當這個增資的計畫從112年到114年每年都要增資70億,而他這70億是屬於去年那個應該要有的責任了,不是嗎?對,他去年其實還差15億。對,還差嘛,還未打嘛,總共這三年間總共要210億耶。\n\n8\n00:02:28,972 --> 00:02:39,829\n那是就原有的經營團隊對保險局金管會的承諾但是跟他今年6月底RBC達到200這中間還有距離的還有距離,距離大概多少?\n\n9\n00:02:40,683 --> 00:03:07,861\n這要看他自己經營的績效吧我覺得預估啦以照目前這個時間點有沒有算過可能我不太有這個數字那你再退一下再算算個本席知道齁但至少資本不足的部分你至少要達到五項之多啦在媒體的部分我看到就是只有一項爭持其他的部分你有沒有進行任何的一個要求跟作為有啦保險局跟銀行局都不斷的在跟他們做溝通就是這所有法令上要求的這個措施這同時都有進行\n\n10\n00:03:08,789 --> 00:03:25,843\n都同時有進行這個措施是要有這個是要有這個這個目前還是在在做整個監理上的溝通中還沒有做到依照這個143-6去做相關的規定都還沒有所謂限制資金運用沒有這個還沒有要看他\n\n11\n00:03:26,463 --> 00:03:27,944\n這個應該都有處理是不是請局長報告\n\n12\n00:03:52,932 --> 00:04:14,285\n根委員報告那個資本顯示物不足我們也有一些措施那山上的部分他們有提出一些財業務改善計畫我看一看山上這部分已經快兩年了未達標了對但是因為他提的計畫裡面除了現金增資之外現金增資他大概每一次他都有達到標準那有沒有出售資產\n\n13\n00:04:15,746 --> 00:04:28,378\n出售資產的部分有一些像不動產的部分他們到現在還在賣那另外就是他們有要找策略性投資我不要耽誤太多時間就針對這兩個公司的這種應應要求的措施狀況怎麼樣給我一個書面的部分\n\n14\n00:04:34,384 --> 00:04:48,834\n我想對保護來說最關心的部分這家公司的未來怎麼樣是比較關鍵然後新光金當然有提出一個方式就是說有關使利差戶抵責任準備金的部分好像被那個金管會這邊已經公然否決掉了嘛對不對\n\n15\n00:04:50,083 --> 00:05:14,922\n報告委員這個其實沒有正當性因為當年是2000年初他是因為低利率環境造成這個保險公司的一些困境所以採用當時的權宜措施護底其實這個錢本來應該是保護的錢所以後來因為這個措施之後這個錢還是應該以保護為前提不是應該就分給這個不是在解決公司的問題所以說這種情況底下這個提案不行這種情況底下\n\n16\n00:05:15,703 --> 00:05:32,153\n主委我如果沒有記錯的話之前你對整個這一個寬容的措施做了不少星光透過資產這個重分類的部分他就讓他淨值增加了386億那可是呢到了第三季的時候呢他又虧損\n\n17\n00:05:33,914 --> 00:05:54,584\n剩下148億然後如果再加上啊他這個隱性的虧損未列舉的這個部分俄羅斯公債的部分再加上他目前未來還有接軌Alpha17的部分等等幾個要件如果還有在他手頭現在資金210億還沒有達標的情況底下你認為新光人壽現在的這種狀況底下最壞的狀況是如何\n\n18\n00:06:04,242 --> 00:06:15,877\n我想我們沒辦法去評估什麼是最壞的,我想我們應該是掌握現在去跟相關的...你一直要求他自救啊,你才能自助啊\n\n19\n00:06:17,811 --> 00:06:34,094\n現在的經營團隊必須自己提出來相關的能夠改善這個公司的清償能力的方案主管機關才會考量其他的這些措施而不能夠就是禁止要求主管機關先提寬容這個跟其他業者的做法是不一樣的\n\n20\n00:06:34,972 --> 00:06:56,524\n所以短期那就是你是要求他就不可能再進行任何寬容措施就是了嗎?先把他對原有經營團隊每年70億以及我們要求他在今年6月的RBC到200這些都要提出可行的計畫這邊達成以後其他再說其他再說吧萬一他都沒有達成的情況底下呢?\n\n21\n00:06:57,364 --> 00:07:25,684\n我想我們依法辦理就依法辦理就依照剛剛的要求一個一個加重處理就是了我想也我們會依法辦理但是什麼情況我們不能預測了我看可能你要有最糟的打算了我看這種情況那個不論是舊團隊也好新團隊也好基本上看起來都拿不出新的一個資金的一個來源那另外一個部分主委你剛剛在這個報告事項當中的25頁特別提到有關於虛擬資產的部分\n\n22\n00:07:26,786 --> 00:07:39,223\n本席也要就教你這個虛擬資產的部分在9月的部分已經列出所謂的這個指導原則那而且去年9月那今年9月的時候專法的研究會出爐嗎?主委是如果依照這種狀況的話因為整個虛擬資產\n\n23\n00:07:42,828 --> 00:08:03,605\n剛剛姑且不論它有沒有內在價值可是它的虛擬資產的管理這種代幣的這個管理以及未來區塊鏈的問題跟你剛剛所說的整個這個實質資產要把它代幣化的部分這部分其實基本上都有雷同也就是說這個管理的這個專法來說的話或許將來也可以套用在其他的這種代幣的可能性上對不對\n\n24\n00:08:04,828 --> 00:08:27,643\n我跟委員報告因為這個專法在學術團隊在研究但是我們當初給他的指示只是就現在的虛擬資產的投資人保護方面跟發展上面能夠做什麼去擬專法跟我剛才跟您報告的所謂金融資產的RWA的代幣化兩個的那個邏輯是不完全一樣的所以那個部分而且各國都還在試驗階段所以還早\n\n25\n00:08:28,604 --> 00:08:46,284\n好如果是沒有完全一樣部分雷同的部分也可以讓制度有一個延伸性的做法但是短期內你現在用一個所謂的指導原則的部分來處理的話那目前為止依照現階段金管會所動用的都是有關於洗房法裡頭的一個執法的部分來處理\n\n26\n00:08:47,125 --> 00:09:05,374\n那如果說以他的整個交易行為不論是保管的行為或者是買賣的行為或者本身的代幣的這個行為都有隱含著銀行法或者期貨交易法等等的一種狀況有沒有可能就既有的法令當中的條款當中來進行來對接的可能性有沒有可能?\n\n27\n00:09:06,584 --> 00:09:21,357\n我想跟您報告就是我剛有一點剛才沒有報告完就是其實現在這個虛幣的主要業者其實蠻願意成立工會用自力的方式去處理所以那些原則是可以透過我們的溝通跟去完成那\n\n28\n00:09:24,860 --> 00:09:50,359\n銀行部份跟傳統金融部份這部份要很小心因為其實去年3月美國幾個銀行發生問題也都是因為他跟虛幣之間的業務聯繫而產生產生一些民眾的一些聯想所以傳統金融部分跟虛幣部分的連結這部分銀行局也會特別去注意目前是還沒有特別緊密的連結\n\n29\n00:09:51,780 --> 00:10:19,390\n以傳統的金融業的部分的一個管理的法令的架構當中有沒有哪些條款可以進行修法然後來適用於整個虛擬的貨幣的管理我意思是這樣子對我跟您報告現在的方向立法方向就是專法不會連結到現有的其他作用法就是跟既有的法令的架構有一個隔離就你就直接朝向專法而不是單條的條文來做修正的方向有些理念上建立理念上是可以移植但是法律的獨立性上是專法\n\n30\n00:10:20,370 --> 00:10:46,830\n好那最後我們來談談520之後的事情好了啦那因為呢我們520之後新的總統當選人他有提出六大的一個金融政見雖然520之後的那個黃主委是不是姓黃我不清楚主委姓黃是不清楚但是主委在這段時間的一個看守內閣當中是不是應該有一些責任跟看法將未來的整個當選人的這一個主張在從金管會的職責當中做一些準備\n\n31\n00:10:47,932 --> 00:10:59,282\n一個就是投資於公共設施第二個就是資產管理中心普惠金融已經在進行還有永續金融剛剛也有報告看起來好像有幾項還有還沒有的\n\n32\n00:11:01,034 --> 00:11:23,635\n謝謝委員給我這個機會其實在選前跟選後我們對於各黨派的總統候選人的政見都有去研究那選後特別對賴副總統的政見這六項政見都有研究我有交代同仁就相關重要的一些議題先做好研究那將來等新的主委上任之後再加速他的理念就可以推出這些研究的內容什麼時候原末可以出來\n\n33\n00:11:25,526 --> 00:11:51,434\n最近都在做比方說像資產管理這些這些這些我們還可以做哪些事情那公共建設資金本來就有在做了那金融科技我覺得都有在做那只是說請同仁更琢磨一下我們還能再做哪些事情我們能不能設定一個時間點把你們提供的建議讓我們知道我們當然就是520之前會把能夠做的先盤點出來4月底之前不要等到520好4月底之前好謝謝主委謝謝好謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2458\t5641\t最近在休會期間,一直有一件新聞事件浮上新聞報導的表面當中,特別是星光人獸的議題。\n22578\t45285\t那新光人壽跟目前為止跟山山美邦的部分是未達標的一個狀態那一個是屬於一種不足那一個是屬於嚴重不足那這種情況底下保險局有要求啊他這一個每半年中了兩個月的時候要更新這個財務狀況李當去年的下半年就應該要報道了不曉得這資料最新的狀況如何\n47522\t57847\t去年底的財報要到3月底才會會計師簽證查核才會出來我是說他那時候每年度餐的時候這邊有講說字節的部分應該有字節的部分應該有那我們說一下現在狀況如何\n65635\t84720\t這個請新光這兩個應該還是跟現況差不多吧還是差不多請局長說也就一個是那個有關於這個法定標準的RBC的部分新光目前也不足然後山上美崩當然線索是不足淨紫比的兩家都不足這邊局長提供的諮詢是還是跟您右邊的都一樣表格都一樣\n86540\t111358\t如果都未達標的情況底下我想我們保險法146、143條之六的話這個資本不足的措施跟資本顯著不足的部分都有相關的作為可是在報章媒體上對於星光的部分最清楚的部分僅就要求他增資嘛因為增資的部分一來一往來來回回好多次嘛最主要是這個部分嘛那到目前為止他透過星光\n112339\t119998\t金的這個部分要認股這個新光能售711的部分這個有比較具體的一個進度嗎?\n121243\t147192\t有,我們在1月22號、23號有發函,2月22號、23號有回函,還有提出一些增資的計畫,我們正在研究中,正在處理中。可是李當這個增資的計畫從112年到114年每年都要增資70億,而他這70億是屬於去年那個應該要有的責任了,不是嗎?對,他去年其實還差15億。對,還差嘛,還未打嘛,總共這三年間總共要210億耶。\n148972\t159829\t那是就原有的經營團隊對保險局金管會的承諾但是跟他今年6月底RBC達到200這中間還有距離的還有距離,距離大概多少?\n160683\t187861\t這要看他自己經營的績效吧我覺得預估啦以照目前這個時間點有沒有算過可能我不太有這個數字那你再退一下再算算個本席知道齁但至少資本不足的部分你至少要達到五項之多啦在媒體的部分我看到就是只有一項爭持其他的部分你有沒有進行任何的一個要求跟作為有啦保險局跟銀行局都不斷的在跟他們做溝通就是這所有法令上要求的這個措施這同時都有進行\n188789\t205843\t都同時有進行這個措施是要有這個是要有這個這個目前還是在在做整個監理上的溝通中還沒有做到依照這個143-6去做相關的規定都還沒有所謂限制資金運用沒有這個還沒有要看他\n206463\t207944\t這個應該都有處理是不是請局長報告\n232932\t254285\t根委員報告那個資本顯示物不足我們也有一些措施那山上的部分他們有提出一些財業務改善計畫我看一看山上這部分已經快兩年了未達標了對但是因為他提的計畫裡面除了現金增資之外現金增資他大概每一次他都有達到標準那有沒有出售資產\n255746\t268378\t出售資產的部分有一些像不動產的部分他們到現在還在賣那另外就是他們有要找策略性投資我不要耽誤太多時間就針對這兩個公司的這種應應要求的措施狀況怎麼樣給我一個書面的部分\n274384\t288834\t我想對保護來說最關心的部分這家公司的未來怎麼樣是比較關鍵然後新光金當然有提出一個方式就是說有關使利差戶抵責任準備金的部分好像被那個金管會這邊已經公然否決掉了嘛對不對\n290083\t314922\t報告委員這個其實沒有正當性因為當年是2000年初他是因為低利率環境造成這個保險公司的一些困境所以採用當時的權宜措施護底其實這個錢本來應該是保護的錢所以後來因為這個措施之後這個錢還是應該以保護為前提不是應該就分給這個不是在解決公司的問題所以說這種情況底下這個提案不行這種情況底下\n315703\t332153\t主委我如果沒有記錯的話之前你對整個這一個寬容的措施做了不少星光透過資產這個重分類的部分他就讓他淨值增加了386億那可是呢到了第三季的時候呢他又虧損\n333914\t354584\t剩下148億然後如果再加上啊他這個隱性的虧損未列舉的這個部分俄羅斯公債的部分再加上他目前未來還有接軌Alpha17的部分等等幾個要件如果還有在他手頭現在資金210億還沒有達標的情況底下你認為新光人壽現在的這種狀況底下最壞的狀況是如何\n364242\t375877\t我想我們沒辦法去評估什麼是最壞的,我想我們應該是掌握現在去跟相關的...你一直要求他自救啊,你才能自助啊\n377811\t394094\t現在的經營團隊必須自己提出來相關的能夠改善這個公司的清償能力的方案主管機關才會考量其他的這些措施而不能夠就是禁止要求主管機關先提寬容這個跟其他業者的做法是不一樣的\n394972\t416524\t所以短期那就是你是要求他就不可能再進行任何寬容措施就是了嗎?先把他對原有經營團隊每年70億以及我們要求他在今年6月的RBC到200這些都要提出可行的計畫這邊達成以後其他再說其他再說吧萬一他都沒有達成的情況底下呢?\n417364\t445684\t我想我們依法辦理就依法辦理就依照剛剛的要求一個一個加重處理就是了我想也我們會依法辦理但是什麼情況我們不能預測了我看可能你要有最糟的打算了我看這種情況那個不論是舊團隊也好新團隊也好基本上看起來都拿不出新的一個資金的一個來源那另外一個部分主委你剛剛在這個報告事項當中的25頁特別提到有關於虛擬資產的部分\n446786\t459223\t本席也要就教你這個虛擬資產的部分在9月的部分已經列出所謂的這個指導原則那而且去年9月那今年9月的時候專法的研究會出爐嗎?主委是如果依照這種狀況的話因為整個虛擬資產\n462828\t483605\t剛剛姑且不論它有沒有內在價值可是它的虛擬資產的管理這種代幣的這個管理以及未來區塊鏈的問題跟你剛剛所說的整個這個實質資產要把它代幣化的部分這部分其實基本上都有雷同也就是說這個管理的這個專法來說的話或許將來也可以套用在其他的這種代幣的可能性上對不對\n484828\t507643\t我跟委員報告因為這個專法在學術團隊在研究但是我們當初給他的指示只是就現在的虛擬資產的投資人保護方面跟發展上面能夠做什麼去擬專法跟我剛才跟您報告的所謂金融資產的RWA的代幣化兩個的那個邏輯是不完全一樣的所以那個部分而且各國都還在試驗階段所以還早\n508604\t526284\t好 如果是沒有完全一樣部分雷同的部分也可以讓制度有一個延伸性的做法但是短期內你現在用一個所謂的指導原則的部分來處理的話那目前為止依照現階段金管會所動用的都是有關於洗房法裡頭的一個執法的部分來處理\n527125\t545374\t那如果說以他的整個交易行為不論是保管的行為或者是買賣的行為或者本身的代幣的這個行為都有隱含著銀行法或者期貨交易法等等的一種狀況有沒有可能就既有的法令當中的條款當中來進行來對接的可能性有沒有可能?\n546584\t561357\t我想跟您報告就是我剛有一點剛才沒有報告完就是其實現在這個虛幣的主要業者其實蠻願意成立工會用自力的方式去處理所以那些原則是可以透過我們的溝通跟去完成那\n564860\t590359\t銀行部份跟傳統金融部份這部份要很小心因為其實去年3月美國幾個銀行發生問題也都是因為他跟虛幣之間的業務聯繫而產生產生一些民眾的一些聯想所以傳統金融部分跟虛幣部分的連結這部分銀行局也會特別去注意目前是還沒有特別緊密的連結\n591780\t619390\t以傳統的金融業的部分的一個管理的法令的架構當中有沒有哪些條款可以進行修法然後來適用於整個虛擬的貨幣的管理我意思是這樣子對我跟您報告現在的方向立法方向就是專法不會連結到現有的其他作用法就是跟既有的法令的架構有一個隔離就你就直接朝向專法而不是單條的條文來做修正的方向有些理念上建立理念上是可以移植但是法律的獨立性上是專法\n620370\t646830\t好那最後我們來談談520之後的事情好了啦那因為呢我們520之後新的總統當選人他有提出六大的一個金融政見雖然520之後的那個黃主委是不是姓黃我不清楚主委姓黃是不清楚但是主委在這段時間的一個看守內閣當中是不是應該有一些責任跟看法將未來的整個當選人的這一個主張在從金管會的職責當中做一些準備\n647932\t659282\t一個就是投資於公共設施第二個就是資產管理中心普惠金融已經在進行還有永續金融剛剛也有報告看起來好像有幾項還有還沒有的\n661034\t683635\t謝謝委員給我這個機會其實在選前跟選後我們對於各黨派的總統候選人的政見都有去研究那選後特別對賴副總統的政見這六項政見都有研究我有交代同仁就相關重要的一些議題先做好研究那將來等新的主委上任之後再加速他的理念就可以推出這些研究的內容什麼時候原末可以出來\n685526\t711434\t最近都在做比方說像資產管理這些這些這些我們還可以做哪些事情那公共建設資金本來就有在做了那金融科技我覺得都有在做那只是說請同仁更琢磨一下我們還能再做哪些事情我們能不能設定一個時間點把你們提供的建議讓我們知道我們當然就是520之前會把能夠做的先盤點出來4月底之前不要等到520好4月底之前好謝謝主委謝謝好謝謝委員\n","txt":"最近在休會期間,一直有一件新聞事件浮上新聞報導的表面當中,特別是星光人獸的議題。\n那新光人壽跟目前為止跟山山美邦的部分是未達標的一個狀態那一個是屬於一種不足那一個是屬於嚴重不足那這種情況底下保險局有要求啊他這一個每半年中了兩個月的時候要更新這個財務狀況李當去年的下半年就應該要報道了不曉得這資料最新的狀況如何\n去年底的財報要到3月底才會會計師簽證查核才會出來我是說他那時候每年度餐的時候這邊有講說字節的部分應該有字節的部分應該有那我們說一下現在狀況如何\n這個請新光這兩個應該還是跟現況差不多吧還是差不多請局長說也就一個是那個有關於這個法定標準的RBC的部分新光目前也不足然後山上美崩當然線索是不足淨紫比的兩家都不足這邊局長提供的諮詢是還是跟您右邊的都一樣表格都一樣\n如果都未達標的情況底下我想我們保險法146、143條之六的話這個資本不足的措施跟資本顯著不足的部分都有相關的作為可是在報章媒體上對於星光的部分最清楚的部分僅就要求他增資嘛因為增資的部分一來一往來來回回好多次嘛最主要是這個部分嘛那到目前為止他透過星光\n金的這個部分要認股這個新光能售711的部分這個有比較具體的一個進度嗎?\n有,我們在1月22號、23號有發函,2月22號、23號有回函,還有提出一些增資的計畫,我們正在研究中,正在處理中。可是李當這個增資的計畫從112年到114年每年都要增資70億,而他這70億是屬於去年那個應該要有的責任了,不是嗎?對,他去年其實還差15億。對,還差嘛,還未打嘛,總共這三年間總共要210億耶。\n那是就原有的經營團隊對保險局金管會的承諾但是跟他今年6月底RBC達到200這中間還有距離的還有距離,距離大概多少?\n這要看他自己經營的績效吧我覺得預估啦以照目前這個時間點有沒有算過可能我不太有這個數字那你再退一下再算算個本席知道齁但至少資本不足的部分你至少要達到五項之多啦在媒體的部分我看到就是只有一項爭持其他的部分你有沒有進行任何的一個要求跟作為有啦保險局跟銀行局都不斷的在跟他們做溝通就是這所有法令上要求的這個措施這同時都有進行\n都同時有進行這個措施是要有這個是要有這個這個目前還是在在做整個監理上的溝通中還沒有做到依照這個143-6去做相關的規定都還沒有所謂限制資金運用沒有這個還沒有要看他\n這個應該都有處理是不是請局長報告\n根委員報告那個資本顯示物不足我們也有一些措施那山上的部分他們有提出一些財業務改善計畫我看一看山上這部分已經快兩年了未達標了對但是因為他提的計畫裡面除了現金增資之外現金增資他大概每一次他都有達到標準那有沒有出售資產\n出售資產的部分有一些像不動產的部分他們到現在還在賣那另外就是他們有要找策略性投資我不要耽誤太多時間就針對這兩個公司的這種應應要求的措施狀況怎麼樣給我一個書面的部分\n我想對保護來說最關心的部分這家公司的未來怎麼樣是比較關鍵然後新光金當然有提出一個方式就是說有關使利差戶抵責任準備金的部分好像被那個金管會這邊已經公然否決掉了嘛對不對\n報告委員這個其實沒有正當性因為當年是2000年初他是因為低利率環境造成這個保險公司的一些困境所以採用當時的權宜措施護底其實這個錢本來應該是保護的錢所以後來因為這個措施之後這個錢還是應該以保護為前提不是應該就分給這個不是在解決公司的問題所以說這種情況底下這個提案不行這種情況底下\n主委我如果沒有記錯的話之前你對整個這一個寬容的措施做了不少星光透過資產這個重分類的部分他就讓他淨值增加了386億那可是呢到了第三季的時候呢他又虧損\n剩下148億然後如果再加上啊他這個隱性的虧損未列舉的這個部分俄羅斯公債的部分再加上他目前未來還有接軌Alpha17的部分等等幾個要件如果還有在他手頭現在資金210億還沒有達標的情況底下你認為新光人壽現在的這種狀況底下最壞的狀況是如何\n我想我們沒辦法去評估什麼是最壞的,我想我們應該是掌握現在去跟相關的...你一直要求他自救啊,你才能自助啊\n現在的經營團隊必須自己提出來相關的能夠改善這個公司的清償能力的方案主管機關才會考量其他的這些措施而不能夠就是禁止要求主管機關先提寬容這個跟其他業者的做法是不一樣的\n所以短期那就是你是要求他就不可能再進行任何寬容措施就是了嗎?先把他對原有經營團隊每年70億以及我們要求他在今年6月的RBC到200這些都要提出可行的計畫這邊達成以後其他再說其他再說吧萬一他都沒有達成的情況底下呢?\n我想我們依法辦理就依法辦理就依照剛剛的要求一個一個加重處理就是了我想也我們會依法辦理但是什麼情況我們不能預測了我看可能你要有最糟的打算了我看這種情況那個不論是舊團隊也好新團隊也好基本上看起來都拿不出新的一個資金的一個來源那另外一個部分主委你剛剛在這個報告事項當中的25頁特別提到有關於虛擬資產的部分\n本席也要就教你這個虛擬資產的部分在9月的部分已經列出所謂的這個指導原則那而且去年9月那今年9月的時候專法的研究會出爐嗎?主委是如果依照這種狀況的話因為整個虛擬資產\n剛剛姑且不論它有沒有內在價值可是它的虛擬資產的管理這種代幣的這個管理以及未來區塊鏈的問題跟你剛剛所說的整個這個實質資產要把它代幣化的部分這部分其實基本上都有雷同也就是說這個管理的這個專法來說的話或許將來也可以套用在其他的這種代幣的可能性上對不對\n我跟委員報告因為這個專法在學術團隊在研究但是我們當初給他的指示只是就現在的虛擬資產的投資人保護方面跟發展上面能夠做什麼去擬專法跟我剛才跟您報告的所謂金融資產的RWA的代幣化兩個的那個邏輯是不完全一樣的所以那個部分而且各國都還在試驗階段所以還早\n好 如果是沒有完全一樣部分雷同的部分也可以讓制度有一個延伸性的做法但是短期內你現在用一個所謂的指導原則的部分來處理的話那目前為止依照現階段金管會所動用的都是有關於洗房法裡頭的一個執法的部分來處理\n那如果說以他的整個交易行為不論是保管的行為或者是買賣的行為或者本身的代幣的這個行為都有隱含著銀行法或者期貨交易法等等的一種狀況有沒有可能就既有的法令當中的條款當中來進行來對接的可能性有沒有可能?\n我想跟您報告就是我剛有一點剛才沒有報告完就是其實現在這個虛幣的主要業者其實蠻願意成立工會用自力的方式去處理所以那些原則是可以透過我們的溝通跟去完成那\n銀行部份跟傳統金融部份這部份要很小心因為其實去年3月美國幾個銀行發生問題也都是因為他跟虛幣之間的業務聯繫而產生產生一些民眾的一些聯想所以傳統金融部分跟虛幣部分的連結這部分銀行局也會特別去注意目前是還沒有特別緊密的連結\n以傳統的金融業的部分的一個管理的法令的架構當中有沒有哪些條款可以進行修法然後來適用於整個虛擬的貨幣的管理我意思是這樣子對我跟您報告現在的方向立法方向就是專法不會連結到現有的其他作用法就是跟既有的法令的架構有一個隔離就你就直接朝向專法而不是單條的條文來做修正的方向有些理念上建立理念上是可以移植但是法律的獨立性上是專法\n好那最後我們來談談520之後的事情好了啦那因為呢我們520之後新的總統當選人他有提出六大的一個金融政見雖然520之後的那個黃主委是不是姓黃我不清楚主委姓黃是不清楚但是主委在這段時間的一個看守內閣當中是不是應該有一些責任跟看法將未來的整個當選人的這一個主張在從金管會的職責當中做一些準備\n一個就是投資於公共設施第二個就是資產管理中心普惠金融已經在進行還有永續金融剛剛也有報告看起來好像有幾項還有還沒有的\n謝謝委員給我這個機會其實在選前跟選後我們對於各黨派的總統候選人的政見都有去研究那選後特別對賴副總統的政見這六項政見都有研究我有交代同仁就相關重要的一些議題先做好研究那將來等新的主委上任之後再加速他的理念就可以推出這些研究的內容什麼時候原末可以出來\n最近都在做比方說像資產管理這些這些這些我們還可以做哪些事情那公共建設資金本來就有在做了那金融科技我覺得都有在做那只是說請同仁更琢磨一下我們還能再做哪些事情我們能不能設定一個時間點把你們提供的建議讓我們知道我們當然就是520之前會把能夠做的先盤點出來4月底之前不要等到520好4月底之前好謝謝主委謝謝好謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.458 --> 00:05.641\n最近在休會期間,一直有一件新聞事件浮上新聞報導的表面當中,特別是星光人獸的議題。\n\n00:22.578 --> 00:45.285\n那新光人壽跟目前為止跟山山美邦的部分是未達標的一個狀態那一個是屬於一種不足那一個是屬於嚴重不足那這種情況底下保險局有要求啊他這一個每半年中了兩個月的時候要更新這個財務狀況李當去年的下半年就應該要報道了不曉得這資料最新的狀況如何\n\n00:47.522 --> 00:57.847\n去年底的財報要到3月底才會會計師簽證查核才會出來我是說他那時候每年度餐的時候這邊有講說字節的部分應該有字節的部分應該有那我們說一下現在狀況如何\n\n01:05.635 --> 01:24.720\n這個請新光這兩個應該還是跟現況差不多吧還是差不多請局長說也就一個是那個有關於這個法定標準的RBC的部分新光目前也不足然後山上美崩當然線索是不足淨紫比的兩家都不足這邊局長提供的諮詢是還是跟您右邊的都一樣表格都一樣\n\n01:26.540 --> 01:51.358\n如果都未達標的情況底下我想我們保險法146、143條之六的話這個資本不足的措施跟資本顯著不足的部分都有相關的作為可是在報章媒體上對於星光的部分最清楚的部分僅就要求他增資嘛因為增資的部分一來一往來來回回好多次嘛最主要是這個部分嘛那到目前為止他透過星光\n\n01:52.339 --> 01:59.998\n金的這個部分要認股這個新光能售711的部分這個有比較具體的一個進度嗎?\n\n02:01.243 --> 02:27.192\n有,我們在1月22號、23號有發函,2月22號、23號有回函,還有提出一些增資的計畫,我們正在研究中,正在處理中。可是李當這個增資的計畫從112年到114年每年都要增資70億,而他這70億是屬於去年那個應該要有的責任了,不是嗎?對,他去年其實還差15億。對,還差嘛,還未打嘛,總共這三年間總共要210億耶。\n\n02:28.972 --> 02:39.829\n那是就原有的經營團隊對保險局金管會的承諾但是跟他今年6月底RBC達到200這中間還有距離的還有距離,距離大概多少?\n\n02:40.683 --> 03:07.861\n這要看他自己經營的績效吧我覺得預估啦以照目前這個時間點有沒有算過可能我不太有這個數字那你再退一下再算算個本席知道齁但至少資本不足的部分你至少要達到五項之多啦在媒體的部分我看到就是只有一項爭持其他的部分你有沒有進行任何的一個要求跟作為有啦保險局跟銀行局都不斷的在跟他們做溝通就是這所有法令上要求的這個措施這同時都有進行\n\n03:08.789 --> 03:25.843\n都同時有進行這個措施是要有這個是要有這個這個目前還是在在做整個監理上的溝通中還沒有做到依照這個143-6去做相關的規定都還沒有所謂限制資金運用沒有這個還沒有要看他\n\n03:26.463 --> 03:27.944\n這個應該都有處理是不是請局長報告\n\n03:52.932 --> 04:14.285\n根委員報告那個資本顯示物不足我們也有一些措施那山上的部分他們有提出一些財業務改善計畫我看一看山上這部分已經快兩年了未達標了對但是因為他提的計畫裡面除了現金增資之外現金增資他大概每一次他都有達到標準那有沒有出售資產\n\n04:15.746 --> 04:28.378\n出售資產的部分有一些像不動產的部分他們到現在還在賣那另外就是他們有要找策略性投資我不要耽誤太多時間就針對這兩個公司的這種應應要求的措施狀況怎麼樣給我一個書面的部分\n\n04:34.384 --> 04:48.834\n我想對保護來說最關心的部分這家公司的未來怎麼樣是比較關鍵然後新光金當然有提出一個方式就是說有關使利差戶抵責任準備金的部分好像被那個金管會這邊已經公然否決掉了嘛對不對\n\n04:50.083 --> 05:14.922\n報告委員這個其實沒有正當性因為當年是2000年初他是因為低利率環境造成這個保險公司的一些困境所以採用當時的權宜措施護底其實這個錢本來應該是保護的錢所以後來因為這個措施之後這個錢還是應該以保護為前提不是應該就分給這個不是在解決公司的問題所以說這種情況底下這個提案不行這種情況底下\n\n05:15.703 --> 05:32.153\n主委我如果沒有記錯的話之前你對整個這一個寬容的措施做了不少星光透過資產這個重分類的部分他就讓他淨值增加了386億那可是呢到了第三季的時候呢他又虧損\n\n05:33.914 --> 05:54.584\n剩下148億然後如果再加上啊他這個隱性的虧損未列舉的這個部分俄羅斯公債的部分再加上他目前未來還有接軌Alpha17的部分等等幾個要件如果還有在他手頭現在資金210億還沒有達標的情況底下你認為新光人壽現在的這種狀況底下最壞的狀況是如何\n\n06:04.242 --> 06:15.877\n我想我們沒辦法去評估什麼是最壞的,我想我們應該是掌握現在去跟相關的...你一直要求他自救啊,你才能自助啊\n\n06:17.811 --> 06:34.094\n現在的經營團隊必須自己提出來相關的能夠改善這個公司的清償能力的方案主管機關才會考量其他的這些措施而不能夠就是禁止要求主管機關先提寬容這個跟其他業者的做法是不一樣的\n\n06:34.972 --> 06:56.524\n所以短期那就是你是要求他就不可能再進行任何寬容措施就是了嗎?先把他對原有經營團隊每年70億以及我們要求他在今年6月的RBC到200這些都要提出可行的計畫這邊達成以後其他再說其他再說吧萬一他都沒有達成的情況底下呢?\n\n06:57.364 --> 07:25.684\n我想我們依法辦理就依法辦理就依照剛剛的要求一個一個加重處理就是了我想也我們會依法辦理但是什麼情況我們不能預測了我看可能你要有最糟的打算了我看這種情況那個不論是舊團隊也好新團隊也好基本上看起來都拿不出新的一個資金的一個來源那另外一個部分主委你剛剛在這個報告事項當中的25頁特別提到有關於虛擬資產的部分\n\n07:26.786 --> 07:39.223\n本席也要就教你這個虛擬資產的部分在9月的部分已經列出所謂的這個指導原則那而且去年9月那今年9月的時候專法的研究會出爐嗎?主委是如果依照這種狀況的話因為整個虛擬資產\n\n07:42.828 --> 08:03.605\n剛剛姑且不論它有沒有內在價值可是它的虛擬資產的管理這種代幣的這個管理以及未來區塊鏈的問題跟你剛剛所說的整個這個實質資產要把它代幣化的部分這部分其實基本上都有雷同也就是說這個管理的這個專法來說的話或許將來也可以套用在其他的這種代幣的可能性上對不對\n\n08:04.828 --> 08:27.643\n我跟委員報告因為這個專法在學術團隊在研究但是我們當初給他的指示只是就現在的虛擬資產的投資人保護方面跟發展上面能夠做什麼去擬專法跟我剛才跟您報告的所謂金融資產的RWA的代幣化兩個的那個邏輯是不完全一樣的所以那個部分而且各國都還在試驗階段所以還早\n\n08:28.604 --> 08:46.284\n好如果是沒有完全一樣部分雷同的部分也可以讓制度有一個延伸性的做法但是短期內你現在用一個所謂的指導原則的部分來處理的話那目前為止依照現階段金管會所動用的都是有關於洗房法裡頭的一個執法的部分來處理\n\n08:47.125 --> 09:05.374\n那如果說以他的整個交易行為不論是保管的行為或者是買賣的行為或者本身的代幣的這個行為都有隱含著銀行法或者期貨交易法等等的一種狀況有沒有可能就既有的法令當中的條款當中來進行來對接的可能性有沒有可能?\n\n09:06.584 --> 09:21.357\n我想跟您報告就是我剛有一點剛才沒有報告完就是其實現在這個虛幣的主要業者其實蠻願意成立工會用自力的方式去處理所以那些原則是可以透過我們的溝通跟去完成那\n\n09:24.860 --> 09:50.359\n銀行部份跟傳統金融部份這部份要很小心因為其實去年3月美國幾個銀行發生問題也都是因為他跟虛幣之間的業務聯繫而產生產生一些民眾的一些聯想所以傳統金融部分跟虛幣部分的連結這部分銀行局也會特別去注意目前是還沒有特別緊密的連結\n\n09:51.780 --> 10:19.390\n以傳統的金融業的部分的一個管理的法令的架構當中有沒有哪些條款可以進行修法然後來適用於整個虛擬的貨幣的管理我意思是這樣子對我跟您報告現在的方向立法方向就是專法不會連結到現有的其他作用法就是跟既有的法令的架構有一個隔離就你就直接朝向專法而不是單條的條文來做修正的方向有些理念上建立理念上是可以移植但是法律的獨立性上是專法\n\n10:20.370 --> 10:46.830\n好那最後我們來談談520之後的事情好了啦那因為呢我們520之後新的總統當選人他有提出六大的一個金融政見雖然520之後的那個黃主委是不是姓黃我不清楚主委姓黃是不清楚但是主委在這段時間的一個看守內閣當中是不是應該有一些責任跟看法將未來的整個當選人的這一個主張在從金管會的職責當中做一些準備\n\n10:47.932 --> 10:59.282\n一個就是投資於公共設施第二個就是資產管理中心普惠金融已經在進行還有永續金融剛剛也有報告看起來好像有幾項還有還沒有的\n\n11:01.034 --> 11:23.635\n謝謝委員給我這個機會其實在選前跟選後我們對於各黨派的總統候選人的政見都有去研究那選後特別對賴副總統的政見這六項政見都有研究我有交代同仁就相關重要的一些議題先做好研究那將來等新的主委上任之後再加速他的理念就可以推出這些研究的內容什麼時候原末可以出來\n\n11:25.526 --> 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