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Act，英國的FCA則提出監理沙盒，其他國家比如說新加坡的金融管理局也推出全新的投資基金管理架構，有別於一般公司法。但是我國在新創公司募集資金方面做了什麼事情？2014年行政機關有委請櫃買中心推動創櫃板，2015年訂定股權性質群眾募資管理辦法、有7家業者獲准經營，2017年制定了金融科技發展與創新實驗條例，喊出要讓臺灣成為亞洲資產管理中心。我想請教，根據2015年訂定的股權性質群眾募資管理辦法獲准經營的7家業者，到目前為止經營狀態怎麼樣？"],["黃主任委員天牧：這的確是我們的櫃檯買賣中心有crowdfunding，創櫃也是2013年開始去做的，櫃買中心董事長、總經理……"],["陳委員玉珍：請他回答，好嗎？"],["黃主任委員天牧：是。"],["陳委員玉珍：這7家獲准經營以後，到目前為止經營的績效如何？"],["陳董事長永誠：跟委員報告，當初有7家申請，現在只有3家還維持著牌照，但是基本上都……"],["陳委員玉珍：有在經營嗎？沒有在經營嘛！"],["陳董事長永誠：沒有什麼特別的業務。"],["陳委員玉珍：沒有怎麼在經營，對不對？"],["陳董事長永誠：對、對、對。"],["陳委員玉珍：沒有怎麼在經營嘛！當初國內為了推動新創公司募集資金，就做這方面的努力、鼓勵新創公司，但是這7家現在基本上都沒有在經營嘛！"],["黃主任委員天牧：是。"],["陳委員玉珍：那請問2017年制定金融科技發展與創新實驗條例之後，新創成果如何？到目前為止有多少個案件呢？"],["黃主任委員天牧：我可不可以這樣跟委員報告？如果你是關心我們創新事業募資的籌集，櫃買中心以前的戰略新板現在已經合併成為創櫃板，跟證交所的創新板都是在為創新事業募資。"],["陳委員玉珍：我知道、我知道，但是我們要看你們的歷史表現嘛！你們2015年推動之後有7家業者獲准經營，但是剛剛櫃買中心告訴我，現在基本上都沒有任何人在推動。"],["黃主任委員天牧：我可以跟委員報告，crowdfunding跟創新不完全是連結的，它是群眾為了特定的目的，大家集資去做的一件事情，但是創櫃板也有一些特別寬鬆的條件……"],["陳委員玉珍：我問的就是你們過去的業績怎麼樣，櫃買中心說你們當初推的時候有7家，現在歇業只剩下3家，這3家又沒有任何新創業務產生，你們有沒有檢討過這個現象可能的原因是什麼？為什麼會這樣？因為我們國家一直在推動新創、支持新創產業啊！"],["黃主任委員天牧：我可以跟委員報告，其實從2020年開始，交易所和櫃買中心都在推動創新板，包括戰略新板，我們可以把這個報告……"],["陳委員玉珍：所以那個是創新板嘛！我說的是你們所推動的那7家到現在基本上都歇業，然後請你告訴我，制定金融科技發展與創新實驗條例之後，新創業者的成果有多少件？"],["黃主任委員天牧：那是金融科技的。"],["陳委員玉珍：對，我問的是兩個問題嘛！我要問的是你們過去做得怎麼樣，剛剛那個基本上就是零、成績是零嘛，那這個呢？"],["黃主任委員天牧：那個不是零，我們現在有……"],["陳委員玉珍：都歇業不叫零，不然叫什麼？"],["黃主任委員天牧：仰德大樓樓上有一個創新園區，有好幾十家各國的創新業者……"],["陳委員玉珍：剛剛我問的是櫃買中心，他跟我說零啊！他剛剛不是說沒有在做嗎？"],["黃主任委員天牧：那是群眾募資目前沒有，但是創櫃板還是有。"],["陳委員玉珍：我不是問創櫃板，我剛剛是問你群募啊！"],["黃主任委員天牧：群募不見得叫做創新，那就是一個集資的作為。"],["陳委員玉珍：我問的是綜合的部分、我問的就是你這個，你不用跟我玩這個文字遊戲……"],["黃主任委員天牧：我沒有玩啊！"],["陳委員玉珍：我問的就是你們過去這7家的結果是怎麼樣，國家既然要往創新產業的方向去走，你們推動這個至少要有一定的業績，如果沒有，請你告訴我是什麼原因嘛！可以嗎？"],["黃主任委員天牧：創新是有業績，但是crowdfunding不是等於創新，那只是一個集資。"],["陳委員玉珍：因為時間到了，對於我剛剛問的問題，麻煩你把相關的資料準備給我。"],["黃主任委員天牧：好，我們準備一份呈給委員參考。"],["陳委員玉珍：好，謝謝，多久呢？"],["黃主任委員天牧：1個月之內是不是可以？"],["陳委員玉珍：1個月哦？好！謝謝。"],["黃主任委員天牧：謝謝委員，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝陳玉珍委員的質詢。待會兒我們在顏寬恒委員質詢之後休息10分鐘。","接著請伍麗華Saidhai 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00:01:16,730\n更多的針對高齡居民的這個金融知識講座案培訓課程除了這個以外今晚會對於防止老人詐騙有什麼對策嗎?其實我們在今天的報告中有提到如果是老年人他臨櫃的部分他的匯款的額度我們都有特別的一個有兩個嗎?對,三萬跟五十萬我有看到那除了這樣以外呢?\n\n4\n00:01:18,072 --> 00:01:18,853\n法定人數不足\n\n5\n00:01:35,525 --> 00:01:35,565\n財政委員會長\n\n6\n00:01:53,240 --> 00:02:18,731\n去368個鄉鎮跟2萬多個社區民眾面對面的溝通那請委員如果您同意的話安排這樣子的活動好好那我們繼續再往下請問這個主委證券交易法第6條規定喔裡面規定有價證券指政府債券、公司股票、公司債券等等有價證券新股認購的權利證書新股權利證書還有其他有價證券四個有價證券那前兩項這你相當熟悉我想請問您\n\n7\n00:02:31,844 --> 00:02:44,495\n有限合夥人在有限合夥的出資額是不是《證券交易法》所規定的有價證券?這個我不太清楚,看政經局,因為我這個定義部分要很小心講出來。哪一位可以回答?\n\n8\n00:02:51,983 --> 00:03:21,343\n報告委員那我們其實證交法規管的就是如果說這個有價證券對不特定人去做招募的話他就可能涉及到我們有價證券的一個招募的行為那我們證交法有價證券是有限列舉就是相關的股權、債權還有其他我用白話問啦好這個證你們的金管會一般社會大眾的理解就是監管大概就是上市上櫃這個公司對不對\n\n9\n00:03:23,205 --> 00:03:31,215\n但是證券有價證券出資額這個東西來講比如說一般的民間公司他也是有出資額這個歸不歸你們監管\n\n10\n00:03:33,444 --> 00:03:51,994\n一般的沒有上市櫃的公司因為他也是有價證券我們規管的公司法所募集發行的股票股份有限公司的股票是所有中華民國所有的股份有限公司的\n\n11\n00:03:55,556 --> 00:04:22,174\n報告委員公司法成立股份有限公司讓他發行股票但是他發行股票以後不見得是證交法管的要做一個補辦公開發行做資訊接到才會進到我們所以到了公開所以我們把這個切清楚所以到了公開發行如果有到公開發行的那個階段才歸你們管是嗎對他要做公開發行他開始做公開開始要公開發行就歸你們管\n\n12\n00:04:25,257 --> 00:04:39,552\n公開發行其實我們的概念是資訊的公開發行不是說他做公開發行就是把股票賣給不特定的人這個行為是受到證交法即使他沒有公開發行他做這個行為就是違反證交法22條的規定\n\n13\n00:04:41,584 --> 00:04:44,226\n所以我的問題很簡單就只有這個題目有限合夥人在有限合夥的出資額是不是屬於有價證券的範圍\n\n14\n00:04:55,019 --> 00:05:12,337\n為公開發行的股票是不是屬於有價證券的範圍?貴不貴證交法這個你們管的範圍?如果它在我們境內做公開招募的行為然後是股票的話就會觸犯到證交法的規定所以歸你們管\n\n15\n00:05:14,622 --> 00:05:28,721\n所以歸你們管轄範圍啦歸你們監管啦就是他要有公開募集的行為的時候他才會歸到我們我會問這個問題是因為有事實上國內有這個很多的這個新創這個公司的業者事實上我好像\n\n16\n00:05:29,642 --> 00:05:53,522\n上一屆也跟你們討論過新創公司募集資金的問題我們舉了一些例子那時候跟你們說2012年美國的歐巴馬政府要解決我說的是新創公司取得資金的方式歐巴馬政府有提出一個股權群募法案叫JobsAct英國的FCA也提出監理沙盒\n\n17\n00:05:56,385 --> 00:06:15,035\n新加坡金融管理局提出全新的投資基金管理架構有別一般的公司法但是我們國家在做新創公司募集資金方面我們做了什麼事情2014年有維請櫃買中心推動了創櫃板2015年有做了股權性質\n\n18\n00:06:21,619 --> 00:06:34,934\n群眾募資管理有7家業者2017年有一個什麼金融科技發展創新條例喊出要把臺灣成為亞洲資產管理中心我想請教2015年做的7家的群眾募資管理辦法7家業者獲得經營到目前為止\n\n19\n00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:59,628\n這個的確是櫃台買賣中心有CraftFunding創櫃也是2013年開始去做的櫃台買賣中心董事長、總經理列席這個7家那時候獲准金融以後到目前為止金融的績效如何?\n\n20\n00:07:08,786 --> 00:07:37,285\n本委員報告當初有申請7家但現在只有3家還維持著牌照但是基本上都沒有有在經營嗎沒有在經營沒有什麼特別業務沒有什麼在經營對不對對對對沒有什麼在經營當初我們為了這個國內要推動這個新創公司的募集資金要做這方面的努力鼓勵新創公司但是這7家現在基本上都沒有在經營那請問2017年你們所做這個金融科技發展創新實驗條例\n\n21\n00:07:39,147 --> 00:07:52,977\n這個新創的成果如何呢?到目前為止有多少個案件呢?報告委員我可不可以這樣跟您報告如果你是關心我們對於創新事業的募資的籌集我們現在櫃買中心以前的戰略新版現在已經合併成為創衛版跟證交所的創新版\n\n22\n00:07:58,620 --> 00:08:21,769\n但是我們要看你們的歷史表現嘛你們2015年有推動這個有7家業者成立嘛,獲准嘛那剛剛我們櫃檯中心告訴我說現在是基本上都沒有任何人在推動報告委員我可以跟您報告CrawlFounding跟創新不完全是連結的它是一個群眾為了特定的目的它大家集資去做的一件事情但是創櫃板也有一些特別寬鬆的條件\n\n23\n00:08:23,736 --> 00:08:43,405\n我問的就是你們的過去的業績做得怎麼樣?櫃買中心就你們在推這個當初有7家後來你說現在歇業只剩下3家這3家又沒有任何的新創的這個產生你們有沒有去檢討過這個所發生的原因?可能的原因是什麼?為什麼會這樣?因為我們國家一直在推動新創支持這個新創產生\n\n24\n00:08:44,245 --> 00:09:05,516\n那委員我可以跟您報告其實從2020開始我們交易所跟購買中心都在推動創新版包括戰略新版我們可以把那個報告對那個是創新版吧我說的是你們所推動的這個7家到現在基本上都是歇業然後請你告訴我你的金融科技發展創新實驗條例的這個新創業者的這個成果有多少件\n\n25\n00:09:06,036 --> 00:09:28,607\n那個是金融科技的我問的是兩個問題嘛我要問的是你們過去做的怎麼樣嘛剛剛那個基本上就是零嘛成績是零嘛那這個呢?那個不是零東協業不叫零不然叫什麼?仰德大樓樓上有個創新園區有好幾十家各國的創新業者剛剛我問的是櫃板中心他剛不是跟我說零嗎?他剛不是說沒有在做嗎?\n\n26\n00:09:29,707 --> 00:09:53,227\n那是群眾募資目前沒有?沒有在做嗎?但是創櫃板還是有?我是問創櫃板,我剛剛就是問你群募啊。群募那個不見得叫做創新,那是一個集資的一個作為。我問的是綜合的,我問的就是你這個,你不用跟我玩這個文字遊戲。我沒有玩啊。你過去的這個7家的結果是怎麼樣?你們既然要往國家往這個方向去走,走創新產業的方向去走,你們就應該要,你們推動這個應該要一個,\n\n27\n00:09:55,749 --> 00:10:14,600\n至少有一定的業績,那如果沒有,請你告訴我是什麼原因嗎?可以嗎?創新是有業績,但是CrawlFoundry不是等於創新,那是一個集資。好,麻煩你,因為時間到,麻煩你把我們剛剛問的這個問題,把相關的資料準備好,我們準備一份呈給委員參考。好,謝謝,多久呢?\n\n28\n00:10:15,706 --> 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Act英國的FCA也提出監理沙盒\n356385\t375035\t新加坡金融管理局提出全新的投資基金管理架構有別一般的公司法但是我們國家在做新創公司募集資金方面我們做了什麼事情2014年有維請櫃買中心推動了創櫃板2015年有做了股權性質\n381619\t394934\t群眾募資管理有7家業者2017年有一個什麼金融科技發展創新條例喊出要把臺灣成為亞洲資產管理中心我想請教2015年做的7家的群眾募資管理辦法7家業者獲得經營到目前為止\n402080\t419628\t這個的確是櫃台買賣中心有Craft Funding創櫃也是2013年開始去做的櫃台買賣中心董事長、總經理列席這個7家那時候獲准金融以後到目前為止金融的績效如何?\n428786\t457285\t本委員報告當初有申請7家但現在只有3家還維持著牌照但是基本上都沒有有在經營嗎沒有在經營沒有什麼特別業務沒有什麼在經營對不對對對對沒有什麼在經營當初我們為了這個國內要推動這個新創公司的募集資金要做這方面的努力鼓勵新創公司但是這7家現在基本上都沒有在經營那請問2017年你們所做這個金融科技發展創新實驗條例\n459147\t472977\t這個新創的成果如何呢?到目前為止有多少個案件呢?報告委員我可不可以這樣跟您報告如果你是關心我們對於創新事業的募資的籌集我們現在櫃買中心以前的戰略新版現在已經合併成為創衛版跟證交所的創新版\n478620\t501769\t但是我們要看你們的歷史表現嘛你們2015年有推動這個有7家業者成立嘛,獲准嘛那剛剛我們櫃檯中心告訴我說現在是基本上都沒有任何人在推動報告委員我可以跟您報告Crawl Founding 跟創新不完全是連結的它是一個群眾為了特定的目的它大家集資去做的一件事情但是創櫃板也有一些特別寬鬆的條件\n503736\t523405\t我問的就是你們的過去的業績做得怎麼樣?櫃買中心就你們在推這個當初有7家後來你說現在歇業只剩下3家這3家又沒有任何的新創的這個產生你們有沒有去檢討過這個所發生的原因?可能的原因是什麼?為什麼會這樣?因為我們國家一直在推動新創支持這個新創產生\n524245\t545516\t那委員我可以跟您報告其實從2020開始我們交易所跟購買中心都在推動創新版包括戰略新版我們可以把那個報告對那個是創新版吧我說的是你們所推動的這個7家到現在基本上都是歇業然後請你告訴我你的金融科技發展創新實驗條例的這個新創業者的這個成果有多少件\n546036\t568607\t那個是金融科技的我問的是兩個問題嘛我要問的是你們過去做的怎麼樣嘛剛剛那個基本上就是零嘛成績是零嘛那這個呢?那個不是零東協業不叫零不然叫什麼?仰德大樓樓上有個創新園區有好幾十家各國的創新業者剛剛我問的是櫃板中心他剛不是跟我說零嗎?他剛不是說沒有在做嗎?\n569707\t593227\t那是群眾募資目前沒有?沒有在做嗎?但是創櫃板還是有?我是問創櫃板,我剛剛就是問你群募啊。群募那個不見得叫做創新,那是一個集資的一個作為。我問的是綜合的,我問的就是你這個,你不用跟我玩這個文字遊戲。我沒有玩啊。你過去的這個7家的結果是怎麼樣?你們既然要往國家往這個方向去走,走創新產業的方向去走,你們就應該要,你們推動這個應該要一個,\n595749\t614600\t至少有一定的業績,那如果沒有,請你告訴我是什麼原因嗎?可以嗎?創新是有業績,但是Crawl Foundry不是等於創新,那是一個集資。好,麻煩你,因為時間到,麻煩你把我們剛剛問的這個問題,把相關的資料準備好,我們準備一份呈給委員參考。好,謝謝,多久呢?\n615706\t620772\t一個月之內是不是可以?一個月喔?好,謝謝。謝謝委員,謝謝。謝謝陳怡君委員的質詢。待會我們在顏匡文委員質詢之後休息10分鐘。接著我們請伍立華委員質詢。\n","txt":"4.225件、110.316件、112.305件詐騙手法大概是假交友假投資然後101件解除分期付款49件假網派48件那詐騙件在假投資方面金門地區大概這幾年被詐騙大概有1億1488萬多還有假冒公營的1000多萬解除分期付款400多萬\n金門人口結構快速老化65歲以上的老人佔總人口數的17%進入高齡社會常常有老人受騙、退休公務員、養老金被詐騙接一陣子金融評議中心有去金門表示要進一步跟金門的樂齡學習中心合作、開展\n更多的針對高齡居民的這個金融知識講座案培訓課程除了這個以外今晚會對於防止老人詐騙有什麼對策嗎?其實我們在今天的報告中有提到如果是老年人他臨櫃的部分他的匯款的額度我們都有特別的一個有兩個嗎?對,三萬跟五十萬我有看到那除了這樣以外呢?\n法定人數不足\n財政委員會長\n去368個鄉鎮跟2萬多個社區民眾面對面的溝通那請委員如果您同意的話安排這樣子的活動好好那我們繼續再往下請問這個主委證券交易法第6條規定喔裡面規定有價證券指政府債券、公司股票、公司債券等等有價證券新股認購的權利證書新股權利證書還有其他有價證券四個有價證券那前兩項這你相當熟悉我想請問您\n有限合夥人在有限合夥的出資額是不是《證券交易法》所規定的有價證券?這個我不太清楚,看政經局,因為我這個定義部分要很小心講出來。哪一位可以回答?\n報告委員那我們其實證交法規管的就是如果說這個有價證券對不特定人去做招募的話他就可能涉及到我們有價證券的一個招募的行為那我們證交法有價證券是有限列舉就是相關的股權、債權還有其他我用白話問啦好這個證你們的金管會一般社會大眾的理解就是監管大概就是上市上櫃這個公司對不對\n但是證券有價證券出資額這個東西來講比如說一般的民間公司他也是有出資額這個歸不歸你們監管\n一般的沒有上市櫃的公司因為他也是有價證券我們規管的公司法所募集發行的股票股份有限公司的股票是所有中華民國所有的股份有限公司的\n報告委員公司法成立股份有限公司讓他發行股票但是他發行股票以後不見得是證交法管的要做一個補辦公開發行做資訊接到才會進到我們所以到了公開所以我們把這個切清楚所以到了公開發行如果有到公開發行的那個階段才歸你們管是嗎對他要做公開發行他開始做公開開始要公開發行就歸你們管\n公開發行其實我們的概念是資訊的公開發行不是說他做公開發行就是把股票賣給不特定的人這個行為是受到證交法即使他沒有公開發行他做這個行為就是違反證交法22條的規定\n所以我的問題很簡單就只有這個題目有限合夥人在有限合夥的出資額是不是屬於有價證券的範圍\n為公開發行的股票是不是屬於有價證券的範圍?貴不貴證交法這個你們管的範圍?如果它在我們境內做公開招募的行為然後是股票的話就會觸犯到證交法的規定所以歸你們管\n所以歸你們管轄範圍啦歸你們監管啦就是他要有公開募集的行為的時候他才會歸到我們我會問這個問題是因為有事實上國內有這個很多的這個新創這個公司的業者事實上我好像\n上一屆也跟你們討論過新創公司募集資金的問題我們舉了一些例子那時候跟你們說2012年美國的歐巴馬政府要解決我說的是新創公司取得資金的方式歐巴馬政府有提出一個股權群募法案叫Jobs Act英國的FCA也提出監理沙盒\n新加坡金融管理局提出全新的投資基金管理架構有別一般的公司法但是我們國家在做新創公司募集資金方面我們做了什麼事情2014年有維請櫃買中心推動了創櫃板2015年有做了股權性質\n群眾募資管理有7家業者2017年有一個什麼金融科技發展創新條例喊出要把臺灣成為亞洲資產管理中心我想請教2015年做的7家的群眾募資管理辦法7家業者獲得經營到目前為止\n這個的確是櫃台買賣中心有Craft Funding創櫃也是2013年開始去做的櫃台買賣中心董事長、總經理列席這個7家那時候獲准金融以後到目前為止金融的績效如何?\n本委員報告當初有申請7家但現在只有3家還維持著牌照但是基本上都沒有有在經營嗎沒有在經營沒有什麼特別業務沒有什麼在經營對不對對對對沒有什麼在經營當初我們為了這個國內要推動這個新創公司的募集資金要做這方面的努力鼓勵新創公司但是這7家現在基本上都沒有在經營那請問2017年你們所做這個金融科技發展創新實驗條例\n這個新創的成果如何呢?到目前為止有多少個案件呢?報告委員我可不可以這樣跟您報告如果你是關心我們對於創新事業的募資的籌集我們現在櫃買中心以前的戰略新版現在已經合併成為創衛版跟證交所的創新版\n但是我們要看你們的歷史表現嘛你們2015年有推動這個有7家業者成立嘛,獲准嘛那剛剛我們櫃檯中心告訴我說現在是基本上都沒有任何人在推動報告委員我可以跟您報告Crawl Founding 跟創新不完全是連結的它是一個群眾為了特定的目的它大家集資去做的一件事情但是創櫃板也有一些特別寬鬆的條件\n我問的就是你們的過去的業績做得怎麼樣?櫃買中心就你們在推這個當初有7家後來你說現在歇業只剩下3家這3家又沒有任何的新創的這個產生你們有沒有去檢討過這個所發生的原因?可能的原因是什麼?為什麼會這樣?因為我們國家一直在推動新創支持這個新創產生\n那委員我可以跟您報告其實從2020開始我們交易所跟購買中心都在推動創新版包括戰略新版我們可以把那個報告對那個是創新版吧我說的是你們所推動的這個7家到現在基本上都是歇業然後請你告訴我你的金融科技發展創新實驗條例的這個新創業者的這個成果有多少件\n那個是金融科技的我問的是兩個問題嘛我要問的是你們過去做的怎麼樣嘛剛剛那個基本上就是零嘛成績是零嘛那這個呢?那個不是零東協業不叫零不然叫什麼?仰德大樓樓上有個創新園區有好幾十家各國的創新業者剛剛我問的是櫃板中心他剛不是跟我說零嗎?他剛不是說沒有在做嗎?\n那是群眾募資目前沒有?沒有在做嗎?但是創櫃板還是有?我是問創櫃板,我剛剛就是問你群募啊。群募那個不見得叫做創新,那是一個集資的一個作為。我問的是綜合的,我問的就是你這個,你不用跟我玩這個文字遊戲。我沒有玩啊。你過去的這個7家的結果是怎麼樣?你們既然要往國家往這個方向去走,走創新產業的方向去走,你們就應該要,你們推動這個應該要一個,\n至少有一定的業績,那如果沒有,請你告訴我是什麼原因嗎?可以嗎?創新是有業績,但是Crawl Foundry不是等於創新,那是一個集資。好,麻煩你,因為時間到,麻煩你把我們剛剛問的這個問題,把相關的資料準備好,我們準備一份呈給委員參考。好,謝謝,多久呢?\n一個月之內是不是可以?一個月喔?好,謝謝。謝謝委員,謝謝。謝謝陳怡君委員的質詢。待會我們在顏匡文委員質詢之後休息10分鐘。接著我們請伍立華委員質詢。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 --> 00:10.814\n4.225件、110.316件、112.305件詐騙手法大概是假交友假投資然後101件解除分期付款49件假網派48件那詐騙件在假投資方面金門地區大概這幾年被詐騙大概有1億1488萬多還有假冒公營的1000多萬解除分期付款400多萬\n\n00:24.800 --> 00:30.462\n金門人口結構快速老化65歲以上的老人佔總人口數的17%進入高齡社會常常有老人受騙、退休公務員、養老金被詐騙接一陣子金融評議中心有去金門表示要進一步跟金門的樂齡學習中心合作、開展\n\n00:52.009 --> 01:16.730\n更多的針對高齡居民的這個金融知識講座案培訓課程除了這個以外今晚會對於防止老人詐騙有什麼對策嗎?其實我們在今天的報告中有提到如果是老年人他臨櫃的部分他的匯款的額度我們都有特別的一個有兩個嗎?對,三萬跟五十萬我有看到那除了這樣以外呢?\n\n01:18.072 --> 01:18.853\n法定人數不足\n\n01:35.525 --> 01:35.565\n財政委員會長\n\n01:53.240 --> 02:18.731\n去368個鄉鎮跟2萬多個社區民眾面對面的溝通那請委員如果您同意的話安排這樣子的活動好好那我們繼續再往下請問這個主委證券交易法第6條規定喔裡面規定有價證券指政府債券、公司股票、公司債券等等有價證券新股認購的權利證書新股權利證書還有其他有價證券四個有價證券那前兩項這你相當熟悉我想請問您\n\n02:31.844 --> 02:44.495\n有限合夥人在有限合夥的出資額是不是《證券交易法》所規定的有價證券?這個我不太清楚,看政經局,因為我這個定義部分要很小心講出來。哪一位可以回答?\n\n02:51.983 --> 03:21.343\n報告委員那我們其實證交法規管的就是如果說這個有價證券對不特定人去做招募的話他就可能涉及到我們有價證券的一個招募的行為那我們證交法有價證券是有限列舉就是相關的股權、債權還有其他我用白話問啦好這個證你們的金管會一般社會大眾的理解就是監管大概就是上市上櫃這個公司對不對\n\n03:23.205 --> 03:31.215\n但是證券有價證券出資額這個東西來講比如說一般的民間公司他也是有出資額這個歸不歸你們監管\n\n03:33.444 --> 03:51.994\n一般的沒有上市櫃的公司因為他也是有價證券我們規管的公司法所募集發行的股票股份有限公司的股票是所有中華民國所有的股份有限公司的\n\n03:55.556 --> 04:22.174\n報告委員公司法成立股份有限公司讓他發行股票但是他發行股票以後不見得是證交法管的要做一個補辦公開發行做資訊接到才會進到我們所以到了公開所以我們把這個切清楚所以到了公開發行如果有到公開發行的那個階段才歸你們管是嗎對他要做公開發行他開始做公開開始要公開發行就歸你們管\n\n04:25.257 --> 04:39.552\n公開發行其實我們的概念是資訊的公開發行不是說他做公開發行就是把股票賣給不特定的人這個行為是受到證交法即使他沒有公開發行他做這個行為就是違反證交法22條的規定\n\n04:41.584 --> 04:44.226\n所以我的問題很簡單就只有這個題目有限合夥人在有限合夥的出資額是不是屬於有價證券的範圍\n\n04:55.019 --> 05:12.337\n為公開發行的股票是不是屬於有價證券的範圍?貴不貴證交法這個你們管的範圍?如果它在我們境內做公開招募的行為然後是股票的話就會觸犯到證交法的規定所以歸你們管\n\n05:14.622 --> 05:28.721\n所以歸你們管轄範圍啦歸你們監管啦就是他要有公開募集的行為的時候他才會歸到我們我會問這個問題是因為有事實上國內有這個很多的這個新創這個公司的業者事實上我好像\n\n05:29.642 --> 05:53.522\n上一屆也跟你們討論過新創公司募集資金的問題我們舉了一些例子那時候跟你們說2012年美國的歐巴馬政府要解決我說的是新創公司取得資金的方式歐巴馬政府有提出一個股權群募法案叫JobsAct英國的FCA也提出監理沙盒\n\n05:56.385 --> 06:15.035\n新加坡金融管理局提出全新的投資基金管理架構有別一般的公司法但是我們國家在做新創公司募集資金方面我們做了什麼事情2014年有維請櫃買中心推動了創櫃板2015年有做了股權性質\n\n06:21.619 --> 06:34.934\n群眾募資管理有7家業者2017年有一個什麼金融科技發展創新條例喊出要把臺灣成為亞洲資產管理中心我想請教2015年做的7家的群眾募資管理辦法7家業者獲得經營到目前為止\n\n06:42.080 --> 06:59.628\n這個的確是櫃台買賣中心有CraftFunding創櫃也是2013年開始去做的櫃台買賣中心董事長、總經理列席這個7家那時候獲准金融以後到目前為止金融的績效如何?\n\n07:08.786 --> 07:37.285\n本委員報告當初有申請7家但現在只有3家還維持著牌照但是基本上都沒有有在經營嗎沒有在經營沒有什麼特別業務沒有什麼在經營對不對對對對沒有什麼在經營當初我們為了這個國內要推動這個新創公司的募集資金要做這方面的努力鼓勵新創公司但是這7家現在基本上都沒有在經營那請問2017年你們所做這個金融科技發展創新實驗條例\n\n07:39.147 --> 07:52.977\n這個新創的成果如何呢?到目前為止有多少個案件呢?報告委員我可不可以這樣跟您報告如果你是關心我們對於創新事業的募資的籌集我們現在櫃買中心以前的戰略新版現在已經合併成為創衛版跟證交所的創新版\n\n07:58.620 --> 08:21.769\n但是我們要看你們的歷史表現嘛你們2015年有推動這個有7家業者成立嘛,獲准嘛那剛剛我們櫃檯中心告訴我說現在是基本上都沒有任何人在推動報告委員我可以跟您報告CrawlFounding跟創新不完全是連結的它是一個群眾為了特定的目的它大家集資去做的一件事情但是創櫃板也有一些特別寬鬆的條件\n\n08:23.736 --> 08:43.405\n我問的就是你們的過去的業績做得怎麼樣?櫃買中心就你們在推這個當初有7家後來你說現在歇業只剩下3家這3家又沒有任何的新創的這個產生你們有沒有去檢討過這個所發生的原因?可能的原因是什麼?為什麼會這樣?因為我們國家一直在推動新創支持這個新創產生\n\n08:44.245 --> 09:05.516\n那委員我可以跟您報告其實從2020開始我們交易所跟購買中心都在推動創新版包括戰略新版我們可以把那個報告對那個是創新版吧我說的是你們所推動的這個7家到現在基本上都是歇業然後請你告訴我你的金融科技發展創新實驗條例的這個新創業者的這個成果有多少件\n\n09:06.036 --> 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