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00:00:56,485\n一般的理解因為虛擬貨幣的價格起伏太大穩定性低也無法成為長期支付的工具有一群一個個體不再受任何中央實體的管制所以虛擬貨幣去中心化發行這種形式一旦出現任何狀況無任何發行人或者是機構來負責是不是這樣\n\n4\n00:00:59,694 --> 00:01:07,860\n他是一個去中心化而且他就是波動性很高沒有內在價值這些都是他的相對來的弱點\n\n5\n00:01:12,076 --> 00:01:27,954\n虛擬貨幣發行門檻低、交易自由度高,容易被不法人士利用,作為洗錢、知恐、逃稅的工具。虛擬貨幣現在雖然是金管會的業務,但是定位不明。您可否告訴我目前是屬於轄下的哪一個業務機關來負責?\n\n6\n00:01:29,796 --> 00:01:42,249\n社跟委員報告：去年3月行政院指示：屬於投資性質的虛擬資產是由金管會那我們現在請政局局負責那等一下齁因為我先把問題說完那\n\n7\n00:01:45,202 --> 00:02:07,579\n因為目前我們金管會有沒有監管處罰虛擬貨幣犯罪的法令以及虛擬貨幣屬於金管會來主管但是處罰貨幣犯罪的法令是否有效的保護投資人及交易人有沒有辦法減少受到詐騙的機會這個部分\n\n8\n00:02:10,424 --> 00:02:30,629\n我跟委員報告我們管是管那個平台那就是說他透過虛幣在網路上去詐騙那個不是金管會監管的目的那現在有我們根據洗房法有罰過一個個人避傷他沒有去申報洗錢房置的聲明移送到金管會那我們就給他處分了是有\n\n9\n00:02:31,974 --> 00:02:35,096\nVSP指導原則有要求應就虛擬資產白皮書內容與上下架制定審查標準及程序並納入內部控管\n\n10\n00:03:01,994 --> 00:03:30,065\n也要求如果透過平台發行之虛擬資產發行人因於其網站公告所編制的白皮書那平台應公告該網站連署但虛擬平台上下架的標準是什麼?什麼樣的虛擬資產是好的?是適合上架的?有沒有一個?什麼標準?有這個我們是有原則那要請平台業者自己去做訂定那他也要成立工會那是不是請副局長跟您報告?\n\n11\n00:03:33,169 --> 00:03:59,874\n報告委員有關這個上下架當然就是依照平台業者他們自己的內控和審核標準然後定在內控裡面那我們這個指導原則也是希望他們有明確的標準所以他們成立工會以後他們會去訂定工會的相關自立規則那這些自立規則如果就像我們剛剛在剛剛一開始就本席前面前述提到的那如果有犯法的嫌違那沒有一個實體可以負責\n\n12\n00:04:02,538 --> 00:04:18,093\n平台是要去負責的平台是要去負責的那我們相關的法則有沒有現在是我就是跟委員報告我們目前只有洗房法的依據目前還沒有專法那我想要請教市場準路的標準就是說\n\n13\n00:04:19,574 --> 00:04:43,770\n市場準錄市場的一個誠信跟交易的安全是非常重要那證券跟期貨交易所都有一個具體的規範手段就是透過特許還有執照來控制市場的準錄那在VASP的指導原則當中雖然需要完成洗錢防治法令遵循的聲明但是這並非市場準錄的規定依照歐盟\n\n14\n00:04:44,631 --> 00:04:56,999\n的一個加密資產市場規範有意要向公眾發行與平台上架交易虛擬資產的法人必須向該國主管機關申請核准五國有沒有這樣子的措施?\n\n15\n00:04:58,140 --> 00:05:22,727\n我們跟您報告分兩階段那第一個階段當然長遠之際就是我們未來定一個專法那現在我們有建議那個洗房法增進一條對於這個以這個虛擬資產為業的來必須要有登記那這部分還在討論中吧專法還在討論中專法在研究中但是可不可以在洗房法裡面安安一個條文\n\n16\n00:05:25,388 --> 00:05:46,940\n讓這個經營虛擬資產的業者來先做登記,因為他基本上常見的問題就是防止洗錢的問題。好,那這個我剛剛所講了,虛擬貨幣無法成為長期的置物工具,因為它容易成為一個投資炒作的標的。許多的虛擬資產平台都有提供相關的服務,這就造成了很多的不當銷售。\n\n17\n00:05:48,241 --> 00:06:05,151\n不當銷售的風險包含為如實陳述的商品還有推銷不適用的商品給客戶那這樣子的情況都很有可能發生變成一個詐欺案件金融法院目前採取的管制方式就是要求他們自律式的管制還有沒有其他的做法\n\n18\n00:06:05,951 --> 00:06:28,304\n就是還有洗房法的規定,既有檢查有去檢查但是你說就是用洗房法,那當客戶端這一邊一旦發現這個遭受到這樣子的一個現象的時候或者是說變成一個買賣不實或者是一個詐欺案件那再回頭去追溯,這個已經來不及了\n\n19\n00:06:31,010 --> 00:06:47,826\n所以我跟委員報告,詐欺當然不是監管會,我們知道會移送或是檢調當然會處理,但是我們去精檢的時候不是只是看他的洗錢防治,也會看他有沒有根據我們去年9月份的指導原則去做,也會列一些檢查的意見讓他去改進。\n\n20\n00:06:50,347 --> 00:07:16,903\n虛擬貨幣的詐騙案這個層出不窮尤其檢調跟檢調建議說金管會和法院不應該技術研議對虛擬貨幣交易採取這個許可制就管理限制甚至於禁止非交易所個人避傷你認為這樣子可不可行這也是我們目前在專法研究上的一個方向是那專法有沒有一個棋程\n\n21\n00:07:18,902 --> 00:07:46,784\n我們大概半年後會提出來一個草案半年後?這個會期不會提出來?這個不會因為還在針對現在各國的情況去做研究接下來因為時間不多接下來的問題包括電子支付請教主委臺灣目前有多少電子支付的業者?可不可以告訴我?大概有差不多10家左右吧10家嗎?30家以上吧?\n\n22\n00:07:48,103 --> 00:08:10,679\n沒有那個是兼營的專營的話是實交那可不可以告訴我目前我們像我剛剛這首版我們目前根據資料顯示去年2023年因詐騙案件的總財損就高達79億或許更多因為很多沒有呈現出來\n\n23\n00:08:12,060 --> 00:08:31,226\n那詐騙集團往往都透過境外的IP來進行詐騙那當這些當事人發現的時候要來找源頭已經來不及那源頭的控管是最重要所以金管會這邊作為這個主管機關有沒有什麼作為一個措施\n\n24\n00:08:32,245 --> 00:08:55,380\n其實這也是我們報告中前面11頁在說的就是電資部分也會去看他後面連結的是不是跟他允許在銀行開戶的電話號碼是一個用這種方式去年已經降低了九成的這些件數所以您這邊所提示的三萬五千件跟七十幾億是不是都是電資也許會後我再跟您請示如果不是電資的話應該不只這樣子那規模應該更龐大\n\n25\n00:09:00,823 --> 00:09:24,511\n我們今天的報告書的內容裡面我們有看到就是說我們有很多的這個宣導在校園還有在社區還有拍攝這個演示的這種短影音來做宣導那除了宣導之外還有沒有什麼更強硬的措施\n\n26\n00:09:26,844 --> 00:09:54,837\n強硬的措施其實就是從金流的過程中電資這邊去提醒丟花包括OPT的這些這些提醒就是臺灣的防詐也會有同步的去處理因為除了宣導之外一定還會有更好的方法因為新形態的詐騙五花八門那不論是虛擬貨幣或者是電子支付都有相當都有很多的便利性那當然\n\n27\n00:09:55,957 --> 00:10:09,542\n責任集團就會利用這個便利性來有機可乘所以我剛剛提到這些是呈現出來的財損的部分那沒有呈現出來或許更多那我們如何讓台灣不會成為詐騙之島\n\n28\n00:10:12,463 --> 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件的總財損就高達79億或許更多因為很多沒有呈現出來\n那詐騙集團往往都透過境外的IP來進行詐騙那當這些當事人發現的時候要來找源頭已經來不及那源頭的控管是最重要所以金管會這邊作為這個主管機關有沒有什麼作為一個措施\n其實這也是我們報告中前面11頁在說的就是電資部分也會去看他後面連結的是不是跟他允許在銀行開戶的電話號碼是一個用這種方式去年已經降低了九成的這些件數所以您這邊所提示的三萬五千件跟七十幾億是不是都是電資也許會後我再跟您請示如果不是電資的話應該不只這樣子那規模應該更龐大\n我們今天的報告書的內容裡面我們有看到就是說我們有很多的這個宣導在校園還有在社區還有拍攝這個演示的這種短影音來做宣導那除了宣導之外還有沒有什麼更強硬的措施\n強硬的措施其實就是從金流的過程中電資這邊去提醒丟花包括OPT的這些這些提醒就是臺灣的防詐也會有同步的去處理因為除了宣導之外一定還會有更好的方法因為新形態的詐騙五花八門那不論是虛擬貨幣或者是電子支付都有相當都有很多的便利性那當然\n責任集團就會利用這個便利性來有機可乘所以我剛剛提到這些是呈現出來的財損的部分那沒有呈現出來或許更多那我們如何讓台灣不會成為詐騙之島\n這個部分這個惡名我不希望說臺灣被冠上這個惡名所以這個監管會主委你身為監管會的主委我們希望能夠在我們未來能夠找出一個更好的方法尤其在源頭的控管能夠有更好的一個作為好不好是謝謝委員主導我們會全力以赴謝謝委員謝謝主委謝謝顏寬恒委員的質詢我們休息10分鐘謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.309 --> 00:10.766\n大家好主席要先請金管委主委有請黃天牧主委是委員長主委早\n\n00:11.943 --> 00:13.664\n虛擬貨幣為何無法當作貨幣使用?\n\n00:31.857 --> 00:56.485\n一般的理解因為虛擬貨幣的價格起伏太大穩定性低也無法成為長期支付的工具有一群一個個體不再受任何中央實體的管制所以虛擬貨幣去中心化發行這種形式一旦出現任何狀況無任何發行人或者是機構來負責是不是這樣\n\n00:59.694 --> 01:07.860\n他是一個去中心化而且他就是波動性很高沒有內在價值這些都是他的相對來的弱點\n\n01:12.076 --> 01:27.954\n虛擬貨幣發行門檻低、交易自由度高,容易被不法人士利用,作為洗錢、知恐、逃稅的工具。虛擬貨幣現在雖然是金管會的業務,但是定位不明。您可否告訴我目前是屬於轄下的哪一個業務機關來負責?\n\n01:29.796 --> 01:42.249\n社跟委員報告：去年3月行政院指示：屬於投資性質的虛擬資產是由金管會那我們現在請政局局負責那等一下齁因為我先把問題說完那\n\n01:45.202 --> 02:07.579\n因為目前我們金管會有沒有監管處罰虛擬貨幣犯罪的法令以及虛擬貨幣屬於金管會來主管但是處罰貨幣犯罪的法令是否有效的保護投資人及交易人有沒有辦法減少受到詐騙的機會這個部分\n\n02:10.424 --> 02:30.629\n我跟委員報告我們管是管那個平台那就是說他透過虛幣在網路上去詐騙那個不是金管會監管的目的那現在有我們根據洗房法有罰過一個個人避傷他沒有去申報洗錢房置的聲明移送到金管會那我們就給他處分了是有\n\n02:31.974 --> 02:35.096\nVSP指導原則有要求應就虛擬資產白皮書內容與上下架制定審查標準及程序並納入內部控管\n\n03:01.994 --> 03:30.065\n也要求如果透過平台發行之虛擬資產發行人因於其網站公告所編制的白皮書那平台應公告該網站連署但虛擬平台上下架的標準是什麼?什麼樣的虛擬資產是好的?是適合上架的?有沒有一個?什麼標準?有這個我們是有原則那要請平台業者自己去做訂定那他也要成立工會那是不是請副局長跟您報告?\n\n03:33.169 --> 03:59.874\n報告委員有關這個上下架當然就是依照平台業者他們自己的內控和審核標準然後定在內控裡面那我們這個指導原則也是希望他們有明確的標準所以他們成立工會以後他們會去訂定工會的相關自立規則那這些自立規則如果就像我們剛剛在剛剛一開始就本席前面前述提到的那如果有犯法的嫌違那沒有一個實體可以負責\n\n04:02.538 --> 04:18.093\n平台是要去負責的平台是要去負責的那我們相關的法則有沒有現在是我就是跟委員報告我們目前只有洗房法的依據目前還沒有專法那我想要請教市場準路的標準就是說\n\n04:19.574 --> 04:43.770\n市場準錄市場的一個誠信跟交易的安全是非常重要那證券跟期貨交易所都有一個具體的規範手段就是透過特許還有執照來控制市場的準錄那在VASP的指導原則當中雖然需要完成洗錢防治法令遵循的聲明但是這並非市場準錄的規定依照歐盟\n\n04:44.631 --> 04:56.999\n的一個加密資產市場規範有意要向公眾發行與平台上架交易虛擬資產的法人必須向該國主管機關申請核准五國有沒有這樣子的措施?\n\n04:58.140 --> 05:22.727\n我們跟您報告分兩階段那第一個階段當然長遠之際就是我們未來定一個專法那現在我們有建議那個洗房法增進一條對於這個以這個虛擬資產為業的來必須要有登記那這部分還在討論中吧專法還在討論中專法在研究中但是可不可以在洗房法裡面安安一個條文\n\n05:25.388 --> 05:46.940\n讓這個經營虛擬資產的業者來先做登記,因為他基本上常見的問題就是防止洗錢的問題。好,那這個我剛剛所講了,虛擬貨幣無法成為長期的置物工具,因為它容易成為一個投資炒作的標的。許多的虛擬資產平台都有提供相關的服務,這就造成了很多的不當銷售。\n\n05:48.241 --> 06:05.151\n不當銷售的風險包含為如實陳述的商品還有推銷不適用的商品給客戶那這樣子的情況都很有可能發生變成一個詐欺案件金融法院目前採取的管制方式就是要求他們自律式的管制還有沒有其他的做法\n\n06:05.951 --> 06:28.304\n就是還有洗房法的規定,既有檢查有去檢查但是你說就是用洗房法,那當客戶端這一邊一旦發現這個遭受到這樣子的一個現象的時候或者是說變成一個買賣不實或者是一個詐欺案件那再回頭去追溯,這個已經來不及了\n\n06:31.010 --> 06:47.826\n所以我跟委員報告,詐欺當然不是監管會,我們知道會移送或是檢調當然會處理,但是我們去精檢的時候不是只是看他的洗錢防治,也會看他有沒有根據我們去年9月份的指導原則去做,也會列一些檢查的意見讓他去改進。\n\n06:50.347 --> 07:16.903\n虛擬貨幣的詐騙案這個層出不窮尤其檢調跟檢調建議說金管會和法院不應該技術研議對虛擬貨幣交易採取這個許可制就管理限制甚至於禁止非交易所個人避傷你認為這樣子可不可行這也是我們目前在專法研究上的一個方向是那專法有沒有一個棋程\n\n07:18.902 --> 07:46.784\n我們大概半年後會提出來一個草案半年後?這個會期不會提出來?這個不會因為還在針對現在各國的情況去做研究接下來因為時間不多接下來的問題包括電子支付請教主委臺灣目前有多少電子支付的業者?可不可以告訴我?大概有差不多10家左右吧10家嗎?30家以上吧?\n\n07:48.103 --> 08:10.679\n沒有那個是兼營的專營的話是實交那可不可以告訴我目前我們像我剛剛這首版我們目前根據資料顯示去年2023年因詐騙案件的總財損就高達79億或許更多因為很多沒有呈現出來\n\n08:12.060 --> 08:31.226\n那詐騙集團往往都透過境外的IP來進行詐騙那當這些當事人發現的時候要來找源頭已經來不及那源頭的控管是最重要所以金管會這邊作為這個主管機關有沒有什麼作為一個措施\n\n08:32.245 --> 08:55.380\n其實這也是我們報告中前面11頁在說的就是電資部分也會去看他後面連結的是不是跟他允許在銀行開戶的電話號碼是一個用這種方式去年已經降低了九成的這些件數所以您這邊所提示的三萬五千件跟七十幾億是不是都是電資也許會後我再跟您請示如果不是電資的話應該不只這樣子那規模應該更龐大\n\n09:00.823 --> 09:24.511\n我們今天的報告書的內容裡面我們有看到就是說我們有很多的這個宣導在校園還有在社區還有拍攝這個演示的這種短影音來做宣導那除了宣導之外還有沒有什麼更強硬的措施\n\n09:26.844 --> 09:54.837\n強硬的措施其實就是從金流的過程中電資這邊去提醒丟花包括OPT的這些這些提醒就是臺灣的防詐也會有同步的去處理因為除了宣導之外一定還會有更好的方法因為新形態的詐騙五花八門那不論是虛擬貨幣或者是電子支付都有相當都有很多的便利性那當然\n\n09:55.957 --> 10:09.542\n責任集團就會利用這個便利性來有機可乘所以我剛剛提到這些是呈現出來的財損的部分那沒有呈現出來或許更多那我們如何讓台灣不會成為詐騙之島\n\n10:12.463 --> 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